by: Mussels

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ROFL.

what this *really* looks like to me, was some beginner in marketing made this up and sent it to his boss "hey boss, we OWNED ati lol" - the boss/supervisor was like... hey, you're right. and it got posted around a bit. Add in a leak, and here we are - ridiculous, stupid slides with incorrect information.

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yeah, it is rather pathetic . . .


at least there's sites like here at TPU where the vast majority of us catch that bad, odorous BS smell as soon as the propaganda hits the i-net.


I'm starting to think, perhaps, seeing as how nVidia made a great effort to qoute W1z's hard review work . . . perhaps TPU should release a "response" to nVidia's claims, pointing out their EPIC FAILS?

yes, W1z Doiiiii.

response
response
response
response
response
response
response

:)

by: imperialreign

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yeah, it is rather pathetic . . .


at least there's sites like here at TPU where the vast majority of us catch that bad, odorous BS smell as soon as the propaganda hits the i-net.


I'm starting to think, perhaps, seeing as how nVidia made a great effort to qoute W1z's hard review work . . . perhaps TPU should release a "response" to nVidia's claims, pointing out their EPIC FAILS?

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now THAT, i would like. generate a lot of PR for here as well.

W1zzard should make a 'response' to it, stating the following.

1. They quoted the WRONG 4830 in the results.
2. incorrect %'s/performance numbers
3. while 8800GT and 9800GT are technically the same, isnt it odd for Nvidia to ignore that themselves, and confuse the two names?

I think it'd be a good idea as well, would get TPU out there some more, and bump up the respect for the site some more as well.

It might even bolster some more support from ATI themselves, but could also tarnish relations with nVidia . . .

although, nVidia might take it well and be thanful someone pointed out the huge error their PR/marketing division has made . . .


I'm all for the idea, personally.

Let it be, the damage is already done, those that know, do, those that don't probably won't.

This is decending into a mudslinging contest, ATI made a boo boo and Nvidia capatilized on it. Who cares, it has been hapening for years.



There is better things to be doing, like actual gaming, OCing, and going to bed now.

by: Steevo

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Let it be, the damage is already done, those that know, do, those that don't probably won't.

This is decending into a mudslinging contest, ATI made a boo boo and Nvidia capatilized on it. Who cares, it has been hapening for years.



There is better things to be doing, like actual gaming, OCing, and going to bed now.

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yeah but if w1zz points them out, it does two things.

1. it gets attention drawn to bad marketing. NO ONE likes bad marketing/BS propoganda. It hopefully will prevent this happening again.

2. it gets TPU in the news more. TPU, and w1zzard, deserve the attention.

well, another way of looking at it -


our reviewers write the reviews for the people, for the masses -

they're not out there writing the reviews for company's to use that information to bolster their own product sales. Honestly, I thought that's what the company's marketing/PR department was supposed to do - cough up their own "internal" testing to make slides with to help increase sales . . .


seeing as how they thought it alright enough to "borrow" (and I doubt without permission) testing results from TPU to make slides that will boost their product sales . . . shouldn't it seem entirelly fitting that TPU could ask nVidia for a percentage of their sales revenue?

I mean, it's not like W1z wrote the review such purposes, but if that's how nVidia want's to roll, eh?

by: imperialreign

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seeing as how they thought it alright enough to "borrow" (and I doubt without permission) testing results from TPU to make slides that will boost their product sales . . . shouldn't it seem entirelly fitting that TPU could ask nVidia for a percentage of their sales revenue?

I mean, it's not like W1z wrote the review such purposes, but if that's how nVidia want's to roll, eh?

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well, another way of looking at it-

NVIDIA slides + TPU logo = happy W1z.

by: Mussels

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well, if you say its ok, no problems.


Personally, i'd complain as only you have the power to do so.

1. They used the results for the lower SP card. False advertising.

2. they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!

To be honest... this is very disturbing to me. Its something you *could* take legal action over, due to the inherent lies and trickery.

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yeh that's right , and about 9800gt the (9800gt = 8800gt with bios update).

by: W1zzard

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bwahahahah, nvidia epic fail. they marked the benchmarks that are from the 560 sp card.

other than that, anyone is free to quote our data as long as sources are given and the data is not modified.

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me too , bwahahaha , i want to say to nvidia w1zzarad find this card come with 560 from the begging . nvidia see techpowerup before you do test

Wow, those aren't legit slides. Its just crappy cut and paste via photoshop. Nvidia wouldn't and has never done cut and paste copypasta with slides. Its clearly not legit people. Bad source. :(

Also official slides would never compare the 9800gt as data from a 8800gt in graphs. I thought somebody else would see it as obvious too. :laugh:

You guys are sad. Some donkey made a photoshop slideshow and you all behave like it would be end of days.

Its amaizing how ppl react to that kinda stuff... always good to spit on somebody no matter if the reason is legit as long as other ppl spit too.

I also wonder why does wiz allow such a highly 'constructive' content on the news page..do you know why ?

by: btarunr

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well, another way of looking at it-

NVIDIA slides + TPU logo = happy W1z.

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:)

by: caleb

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You guys are sad. Some donkey made a photoshop slideshow and you all behave like it would be end of days.

Its amaizing how ppl react to that kinda stuff... always good to spit on somebody no matter if the reason is legit as long as other ppl spit too.

I also wonder why does wiz allow such a highly 'constructive' content on the news page..do you know why ?

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Just as there's nothing to show this is genuinely from NVIDIA, there's nothing to show otherwise. It's sourced from another site, which has been providing us news for ages now. This is how NV presents to its partners, with images lifted from reviews. Besides, there's a source for it quoted.

As for frontpage content and w1z allowing it,...well as you can see, he doesn't have a problem with it. Pictures have been taken from Donanim Haber, and it's linked to them. If you do, don't post/comment. Go back through our archives, and you will find that such presentations from NVIDIA have even made it to reviews (reviews titled "xyz NVIDIA presentation") so this isn't something out of the ordinary.

Edit: for example: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/CrossfireTruth/ there are more if I could dig thru. Don't those slides look like they were made by a donkey too? Perhaps a donkey working for NVIDIA.

Damn, this really shows how despirate nvidia is getting for them to be resorting to propaganda:shadedshu

by: btarunr

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Just as there's nothing to show this is genuinely from NVIDIA, there's nothing to show otherwise. It's sourced from another site, which has been providing us news for ages now. This is how NV presents to its partners, with images lifted from reviews. Besides, there's a source for it quoted.

As for frontpage content and w1z allowing it,...well as you can see, he doesn't have a problem with it. Pictures have been taken from Donanim Haber, and it's linked to them. If you do, don't post/comment. Go back through our archives, and you will find that such presentations from NVIDIA have even made it to reviews (reviews titled "xyz NVIDIA presentation") so this isn't something out of the ordinary.

Edit: for example: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/CrossfireTruth/ there are more if I could dig thru. Don't those slides look like they were made by a donkey too? Perhaps a donkey working for NVIDIA.

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If they really did those slides you just linked back in 2005 its really sad. You would expect more of a professional job than that from a marketing department. I have always done better than that with company slides and mine were all internal(in other words, not released to the public).

by: DaedalusHelios

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If they really did those slides you just linked back in 2005 its really sad. You would expect more of a professional job than that from a marketing department. I have always done better than that with company slides and mine were all internal(in other words, not released to the public).

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There are more. IIRC there was one about 7900 GTX vs. X1950 XTX, I just can't seem to find it. Yes, these are internal presentations, that sometimes NV selectively provides its partners and/or the press.

by: eidairaman1

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-112728.html

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I'm referring to a presentation article, not the X1950 review.

by: eidairaman1

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-112728.html

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From a glance, those are just reviews I think.

btarunr

I really dont wonna offend you with this but it is simply stupid to claim that a company with 2007 turnover of 7 bilion USD would really have to use primary school style presentation about a product as a marketing tool.

Really man posting funny results from other pages is ok and some news about products but this thing stinks a mile away. And the fact that you as a news editor are pushing this to be a hard fact ads more bad taste into it.

If you believe it its OK but for me its really a lot of laughs that you think they need to download techpowerup charts with 3dmark results to show ASUS,Gigabyte etc that their multimilion dollar chip is better than ATI :laugh:

by: imperialreign

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that is a prime example of a piss-poor marketing tactic nVidia has been using for what seems like ages now . . . they routinely whip out the benchmarks at the highest resolution settings, why? Because the percentage difference between their hardware, and their competitors is much higher . . . and when you're getting your ass stomped for the first time in a couple of years, you'll stoop pretty low to prove a point.


For example, in that image you quoted, they claim a 19% difference between the 4830 and the *8800* . . .

In the right-side chart, the *8800* rakes in a bench score of 19.2 FPS, the 4830 they're "competing" against only scored 16.1 FPS . . . doing the quick math, that really works out to 16.1% (that's right, the dumb-asses that prepared that slide goofed on the final figure :shadedshu) . . .

but, if you compare the differene on the left-side chart, where the *8800* scores 54.3 FPS versus the 4830's 50.3 FPS, the math now works out to 7.3% better.




What looks better to the n00bz, 19% 16% or 7%?

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Funny how you can't even do basic maths.

- 19.2 FPS / 16.1 FPS * 100 = 119.254% <------ The 8800 GT IS 19.2 faster there.

- NOW 16.1 / 19.2 * 100 = 83.854% >>> 100 - 83.8 = 16.2% <------ THE HD4830 IS 16.2% SLOWER in that benchmark.

Not that this has anything to do with the points being made in the thread, BUT LEARN MATHS before bashing anyone for something that's not truth. Check your facts before spilliing out BS like the one above. It's just embarrasing.

by: caleb

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btarunr

I really dont wonna offend you with this but it is simply stupid to claim that a company with 2007 turnover of 7 bilion USD would really have to use primary school style presentation about a product as a marketing tool.

Really man posting funny results from other pages is ok and some news about products but this thing stinks a mile away. And the fact that you as a news editor are pushing this to be a hard fact ads more bad taste into it.

If you believe it its OK but for me its really a lot of laughs that you think they need to download techpowerup charts with 3dmark results to show ASUS,Gigabyte etc that their multimilion dollar chip is better than ATI :laugh:

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1/not my claim. I convey news.
2/they have used this exact style of presentations, an example of which I have linked, which W1zzard posted. They use data from websites, including links, quotes, sometimes plain numbers, and sometimes charts
3/you're not of any consequence for me to feel offended, just as the other way round :toast:

by: caleb

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btarunr

I really dont wonna offend you with this but it is simply stupid to claim that a company with 2007 turnover of 7 bilion USD would really have to use primary school style presentation about a product as a marketing tool.

Really man posting funny results from other pages is ok and some news about products but this thing stinks a mile away. And the fact that you as a news editor are pushing this to be a hard fact ads more bad taste into it.

If you believe it its OK but for me its really a lot of laughs that you think they need to download techpowerup charts with 3dmark results to show ASUS,Gigabyte etc that their multimilion dollar chip is better than ATI :laugh:

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ANOTHER website is claiming its fact, and the news people here are simply reposting it, and linking to them. Trust us... Nvidia and ATI have done things like this in the past, and they were just as stupid and childish.

Please let's not resort to name-calling.