| Thursday, October 30 2008 |
Denmark's Danamics LM10 CPU cooler, the world's first commercially available liquid metal-based processor cooler, was reported today to have received a release date. The LM10 will land in Europe as of November 17th, but it will come in limited quantities. Outside of Europe, Danamics is still awaiting approval of its liquid metal-based technology, and after one is obtained the company can start selling.
Recently, Danamics engineers claimed to have developed a CPU cooler that will put to shame every air cooling solution available and most of the current water cooling kits. The LM10 has no moving parts and an unlimited mean time between failures. Inside is a yet-to-be-named liquid metal that's said to provide superior thermo physical properties and is circulated without moving parts thanks to a built-in electromagnetic pump. Expect more information next week.
Source: HEXUS.net
Recently, Danamics engineers claimed to have developed a CPU cooler that will put to shame every air cooling solution available and most of the current water cooling kits. The LM10 has no moving parts and an unlimited mean time between failures. Inside is a yet-to-be-named liquid metal that's said to provide superior thermo physical properties and is circulated without moving parts thanks to a built-in electromagnetic pump. Expect more information next week.
Source: HEXUS.net
User comments
Damn...I just bought a ZeroTherm BTF-90....AND that is not noise-less.....
sweet! I nearlly 4got about this. This might just change the way we all cool our CPUs. Can't wait to see it's performance VS TRUE, xigmatek, water etc.
Sounds interesting, can't wait to see the reviews. :)
wats teh projected weight
by: [I.R.A]_FBi;1040164
wats teh projected weight
OVER 9000!!!!
Really though, I hope this works out. Would be really cool to see a new type of cooler on the market.
Wonder if it could prove to be a health hazard?
sure is nice looking
wonder what the size of it is.
Anyone have any figures on how effective it is ?
by: CrAsHnBuRnXp;1040172how? :confused:
Wonder if it could prove to be a health hazard?
Yay! haha, we pwn at cooling here in denmark :D Asetek and now Danamics! :D Woohoo! Im so gonna see if i can get one of theese
by: CrAsHnBuRnXp;1040172I think that's exactly why it isn't approved in the US yet. I can't wait to see this thing in action.
Wonder if it could prove to be a health hazard?
by: oli_ramsay;1040247Liquid metals are generally very bad for people.
how? :confused:
by: erocker;1040288
I think that's exactly why it isn't approved in the US yet. I can't wait to see this thing in action.
Liquid metals are generally very bad for people.
The US doesn't care about health hazards lol. They care about what company will line their pockets. We have so many drugs and foods allowed here that are banned in Europe b/c they're downright dangerous or deadly. (and the US bans healthy food b/c the pharmas wouldn't be able to sell their pills)
If it's allowed in Europe, I'll take one, thank you very much :)
If it does actually have forced circulation, I can see this cooling very well.
by: erocker;1040288In what way?
Liquid metals are generally very bad for people.
by: spearman914;1040295
In what way?
Like the T1000, duh! I saw that dude splatter like 500 people on T2 :laugh:
by: TheGuruStud;1040293Let's not turn this political.
The US doesn't care about health hazards lol. They care about what company will line their pockets. We have so many drugs and foods allowed here that are banned in Europe b/c they're downright dangerous or deadly. (and the US bans healthy food b/c the pharmas wouldn't be able to sell their pills)
If it's allowed in Europe, I'll take one, thank you very much :)
If does actually have forced circulation, I can see this cooling very well.
by: spearman914;1040295I have no idea, I'm not a scientist, it's just something I remember from years ago in science class. Google it.
In what way?
I think people are confusing liquid metal like mercury for liquid metal technology. Totally different!!!
i bet this will weigh less than a TRUE CU
we can atleast conclude something about the liquid metal: theres some sort of hazard, its magnetic, and can stay in liquid form under standard temperature.
by: oli_ramsay;1040247
how? :confused:
by: erocker;1040288
I think that's exactly why it isn't approved in the US yet. I can't wait to see this thing in action.
Liquid metals are generally very bad for people.
I know you remember this guy :eek:
by: panchoman;1040317
we can atleast conclude something about the liquid metal: theres some sort of hazard, its magnetic, and can stay in liquid form under standard temperature.
I'm thinking mercury?
by: Woody112;1040301Now I'm curious. What is inside that thing? I was thinking mercury...
I think people are confusing liquid metal like mercury for liquid metal technology. Totally different!!!
by: erocker;1040326Ha I beat you to it! :p
Now I'm curious. What is inside that thing? I was thinking mercury...
its probably not an element like mercury guys.. its a compound that they are using.
Wanted when this was first in the news and want it now too! Where can I preorder :p (hope it's not some silly TRUE gol..copper price and I'm happy that Europe gets something first once)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TVM-4M05GWY-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=80da74684df1b3827f57049b1d40155b
http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:hugcQejrn_gJ:www.nanocoolers.com/pdfs/news22_miner_ghoshal_liquid_metal_cooling.pdf
some interesting stuff if you guys are interested ^^
http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:hugcQejrn_gJ:www.nanocoolers.com/pdfs/news22_miner_ghoshal_liquid_metal_cooling.pdf
some interesting stuff if you guys are interested ^^
If this works as good as they say, I will have one!
This could also be adapted for memory cooling too...
This could also be adapted for memory cooling too...
This should help clear some things up
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2005/08/04/liquid-metal-is-so-cool-it-may-be-on-ice
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2005/08/04/liquid-metal-is-so-cool-it-may-be-on-ice
by: erocker;1040326Gallium and Indium
Now I'm curious. What is inside that thing? I was thinking mercury...
by: Woody112;1040344thats from 2005 buddy
Gallium and Indium
by: panchoman;1040345yes I know. Did you read it, I posted it because it gives a good explanation of what liquid metal technology is, how it works and efficency.
thats from 2005 buddy
by: [I.R.A]_FBi;1040351Heh, that's before I've joined (although I did read here before writing). Has taken them quite a while to get first product ready, hope it performs good and sells well.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=3105
metals can be molten in mercury, i'll have to look up wiki to find out how this exactly works
EDIT: i got beaten to it... it's not Hg
EDIT: i got beaten to it... it's not Hg
by: panchoman;1040317Its prolly mercury so unless you crack it open and find it a good idea to drink a silver liquid that moves on its own then you deserve what happens.
we can atleast conclude something about the liquid metal: theres some sort of hazard, its magnetic, and can stay in liquid form under standard temperature.
Thermalright will probably make something similar ... then one that is copper and weighs more than pluto and charge twice the price of the moon.
Look everyone this crap is simple. ;) The metals being used is gallium and indium, mixing the two gives the metals a low melting point of 10-15c as gallium has a melting point of like 30c alone. Having metal as liquid means you don't need an actual pump. Magnetic politary can be used to move the liquid through the system. Thats it nothing else to it.
MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED IN THIS COOLER!!!!:shadedshu SO PLEASE STOP BRINGING UP MERCURY!!!
OK I'm done:D
MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED IN THIS COOLER!!!!:shadedshu SO PLEASE STOP BRINGING UP MERCURY!!!
OK I'm done:D
by: Woody112;1040379How do you know it isn't mercury, Anyway it says it puts water to shame so it must be about 10 - 15 degrees wouldn't it solidify but then again it would heat up then cool down.
Look everyone this crap is simple. ;) The metals being used is gallium and indium, mixing the two gives the metals a low melting point of 10-15c as gallium has a melting point of like 30c alone. Having metal as liquid means you don't need an actual pump. Magnetic politary can be used to move the liquid through the system. Thats it nothing else to it.
MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED IN THIS COOLER!!!!:shadedshu SO PLEASE STOP BRINGING UP MERCURY!!!
OK I'm done:D
Gallium and indium have been used for a very long time in nuclear reactors. As technology advanced other uses were found and as [IRA] FBI pointed out it started to find its way into the computer world to aid in cooling. Then I showed the thread earlier that it was actually used on a GFX card to cool but was never put into production in 2005, which was probably due to cost back then.
Mercury is not the only liquid based metal out their, just the most widely know liquid based metal.
Mercury is not the only liquid based metal out their, just the most widely know liquid based metal.
by: Woody112;1040390Everyone suggest mercury because its one of the only two elements that are liquid at room temperature e.g 24 degrees.
Gallium and indium have been used for a very long time in nuclear reactors. As technology advanced other uses were found and as [IRA] FBI pointed out it started to find its way into the computer world to aid in cooling. Then I showed the thread earlier that it was actually used on a GFX card to cool but was never put into production in 2005, which was probably due to cost back then.
Mercury is not the only liquid based metal out their, just the most widely know liquid based metal.
http://www.minormetals.com/charts.aspx?mode=ga
So Gallium is $500 for 1kg, wonder how many coolers they can make of it. It's a bit heavier than copper so that doesn't help to get more. This might be very expensive after all :( 5 pipes, if it's 10 grams of the stuff in one of them, it's already $25 minimum.
"The current price for 1 gram gallium of 99.9999% purity seems to be at about US $15.00." Hope they don't have to use this stuff :D
"As recently as October 2000, the spot price of gallium was $550/kg; by March 2001 this had risen to $2000/kg, and exceeded $4000/kg in May." In 2001 they found some big gallium concentration, might have helpt with the development: http://compoundsemiconductor.net/cws/article/magazine/11632
So Gallium is $500 for 1kg, wonder how many coolers they can make of it. It's a bit heavier than copper so that doesn't help to get more. This might be very expensive after all :( 5 pipes, if it's 10 grams of the stuff in one of them, it's already $25 minimum.
"The current price for 1 gram gallium of 99.9999% purity seems to be at about US $15.00." Hope they don't have to use this stuff :D
"As recently as October 2000, the spot price of gallium was $550/kg; by March 2001 this had risen to $2000/kg, and exceeded $4000/kg in May." In 2001 they found some big gallium concentration, might have helpt with the development: http://compoundsemiconductor.net/cws/article/magazine/11632
Read the second paragraph, last sentence.
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele049.html
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele049.html
by: Woody112;1040400I guess it also has better thermal conductivity compared to mercury.
Read the second paragraph, last sentence.
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele049.html
by: CrAsHnBuRnXp;1040172Installing it might :0
Wonder if it could prove to be a health hazard?
by: newconroer;1040405aye if you eat it that is or when the power is still on :laugh:
Installing it might :0
Oh and I've got a feeling this will be far more expensive than any available air coolers but just cheaper than a good water cooling setup.
DrPepper, afaik you dont need to drink mercury for it to be fatal for you, it just needs to touch your skin and your *bleep*'d.
I could be wrong, but that was how hazardous it would be. Although I believe it won't contain mercury, and that itd be gallium with maybe ferrofluid or somthing.
I could be wrong, but that was how hazardous it would be. Although I believe it won't contain mercury, and that itd be gallium with maybe ferrofluid or somthing.
by: qwerty_lesh;1040427I've never touched mercury so idk I assumed it would be fatal if you drank it though.
DrPepper, afaik you dont need to drink mercury for it to be fatal for you, it just needs to touch your skin and your *bleep*'d.
I could be wrong, but that was how hazardous it would be. Although I believe it won't contain mercury, and that itd be gallium with maybe ferrofluid or somthing.
by: DrPepper;1040441Just did a quick search and came up with this, as I was curious too.
I've never touched mercury so idk I assumed it would be fatal if you drank it though.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00156.htm
hmm *note to self ... don't play with mercury* Anyway its cheaper to make it out of gallium/indium because they are cheaper, mercury is about $600 a flask.
I'll wait for the reviews. Comments like "It will put to shame..." always throw up red flags in my book.
Electro magnetic pump - hmmm - very interesting. Mercury is diamagnetic....
Diamagnetism is the property of an object which causes it to create a magnetic field in opposition of an externally applied magnetic field, thus causing a repulsive effect
Check this link:http://danamics.com/technology/benefits.aspx
Diamagnetism is the property of an object which causes it to create a magnetic field in opposition of an externally applied magnetic field, thus causing a repulsive effect
Check this link:http://danamics.com/technology/benefits.aspx
Bigger pic,loks about 92mm fan size to me.
At least they tried something new. I don't care if the cooler has radiation warning for all I care, I will put it on my CPU once I hear good reviews on it. BTW, I think its either mercury or a solvent metal that turns into a solid once on contact to a certain surface.
yea it looked like 92mm size to me too but with the thing on the top it still looks like it could be large. my case can only fit 92mm heatsinks but this looks to be taller than most 120mm ones.
my mom used to treat my cuts with mercurochrome .....
did some research and it has mercury :|
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merbromin
did some research and it has mercury :|
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merbromin
I so want one of these. Wonder if we will be able to import them.
sneak it in thru teh cavity
haha ;)
I think I'll postpone buying my WC gear to see if this actually would out-perform what I would buy; and if it's successful, one in 120mm size would be nice :laugh:
I think I'll postpone buying my WC gear to see if this actually would out-perform what I would buy; and if it's successful, one in 120mm size would be nice :laugh:
Quote from FudZilla: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10235&Itemid=1
So, if you really want a cooling system straight out of a Soviet Alfa class attack sub in your PC, there you have it.
What´s next ... nuclear powered PSU :cool:
So, if you really want a cooling system straight out of a Soviet Alfa class attack sub in your PC, there you have it.
What´s next ... nuclear powered PSU :cool:
Looks like you guys in the usa are gonna have a problem getting one of these though.
The LM10 is unfortunately going to be limited to European Union countries as Danamics is still working to get approval for liquid metal based technology outside the European Union. The new LM10 is going to be sold in a limited quantity and availability but that should change as company is still looking for new resellers.
did this thing remind anyone of this?:
http://www.physorg.com/news4198.html
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yDh198QAaCMQ7M:http://labs.pcw.co.uk/photos/uncategorized/y0560sp_blizzard.JPG
http://www.physorg.com/news4198.html
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yDh198QAaCMQ7M:http://labs.pcw.co.uk/photos/uncategorized/y0560sp_blizzard.JPG
MSRP 225€
:banghead:
:banghead:
by: CrAsHnBuRnXp;1040172Only if you eat the whole thing. Small bites will probably be ok.
Wonder if it could prove to be a health hazard?
by: panchoman;1040317and Magnetism is Induction which Computers do emit some form of Induction waves (EMI) etc.
we can atleast conclude something about the liquid metal: theres some sort of hazard, its magnetic, and can stay in liquid form under standard temperature.
by: erocker;1040288main hazard is skin penetration, and you can imagine what follows that!!!
Liquid metals are generally very bad for people.
anyway, is a cool looking fan, and hope it performs as well!
OMG , any test please
225 euros eh!!! man thats gonna be pretty exspensive. not as much as owning a Thermochill but still. But hey if it lsat a long time and they continue to make adaptors, it could be really nice.
I can build a comp for that much cash (I didn't say it would be fast lol)!
by: erocker;1048238Ouch! That's quite hefty; I was hoping for it to become the nextgen Laptop-cooling solution (imagine it streched flat all on the lower side of the laptop; would allow for near desktop like cooling performance in a very small chassis and minimal noise production), but with this price it will have a hard time to become a mainstream product; at least unless it doesn't perform better than similiarly priced watercooling solutions, which I don't believe it will...
Price revealed: http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.caseandcooling.fr%2Frefroidissement%2Fnews%2F173-prix-dissipateur-lm-10-danamics&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en
280 € :eek:
by: qwerty_lesh;1040427you only need to touch mercury to get mercury poisoning it seeps in through the skin and into the blood stream from their it systematically starts to shut down organs like radiation you die from the inside out liver i think is either the first or most affected
DrPepper, afaik you dont need to drink mercury for it to be fatal for you, it just needs to touch your skin and your *bleep*'d.
I could be wrong, but that was how hazardous it would be. Although I believe it won't contain mercury, and that itd be gallium with maybe ferrofluid or somthing.
BTW guys, all this talk about Mercury... I thought that material spreads, thus increasing its volume, exponentially to the temperature increase; wouldn't that be rather contraproductive/dangerous?
I understand heatpipes work in a similiar way (evaporating liquid), but mercury stays liquid afaik...
I guess it'll stay an industry secret for quite a while, what they are using right here; but it might just be something similiar to the liquid metal used by CoolLaboratry (although it should be more liquid if it has to circulate I guess)...
I understand heatpipes work in a similiar way (evaporating liquid), but mercury stays liquid afaik...
I guess it'll stay an industry secret for quite a while, what they are using right here; but it might just be something similiar to the liquid metal used by CoolLaboratry (although it should be more liquid if it has to circulate I guess)...
If everyone would read the posts before making a reply about mercury, you would find that it is not mercury being used. And would explain the hefty price tag:shadedshu
MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED. MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED. MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED.:rolleyes:
Read the previous post and you shall be educated on the secret ingredients. Neither of which is harmful.:D
MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED. MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED. MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED.:rolleyes:
Read the previous post and you shall be educated on the secret ingredients. Neither of which is harmful.:D
by: Woody112;1049950
If everyone would read the posts before making a reply about mercury, you would find that it is not mercury being used. And would explain the hefty price tag:shadedshu
MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED. MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED. MERCURY IS NOT BEING USED.:rolleyes:
Read the previous post and you shall be educated on the secret ingredients. Neither of which is harmful.:D
I thought I read them all, haven't seen a post stating which "compound" is definetly used though (as in confirmed by Danamics); the best guess (yours) was the gallium/indium thing, which is the CoolLaboratory thing (or is that only gallium?)...
I just went ahead and tried to point out a further reason why I believe Mercury is not being used, thus supporting your thesis. :o
by: Woody112;1049950Actualy mercury is more expensive than gallium and indium so it doesn't explain the hefty price tag, What would explain such a price is that it is a premium air cooler and if it does put water cooling to shame then they will charge as much as a good watercooling system.
If everyone would read the posts before making a reply about mercury, you would find that it is not mercury being used. And would explain the hefty price tag:shadedshu
Nah, they'd charge more than a good water cooling system. More compact and more portable would factor into the price. Also, less hassle and risk.
by: Dixxhead;1050053It's all good,:toast: and I believe your correct on the point that mercury expands when subjected to heat.
I thought I read them all, haven't seen a post stating which "compound" is definetly used though (as in confirmed by Danamics); the best guess (yours) was the gallium/indium thing, which is the CoolLaboratory thing (or is that only gallium?)...
I just went ahead and tried to point out a further reason why I believe Mercury is not being used, thus supporting your thesis. :o
Gallium alone only becomes a liquid at 30c. But when mixed with 27% indium it's a liquid at room tempature, and reportably completly safe.
On the other hand it may be know to the state of california to cause cancer:D
I've been itching for more news about this and did a bit of searching. Found this price estimate:
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-6890-view-Danamics-LM10-price.html
There goes that cooler in to oblivion if that price in the ballpark :( 200€ too much in that, no way it's that good. Well soon should come more official news, a week to release.
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-6890-view-Danamics-LM10-price.html
There goes that cooler in to oblivion if that price in the ballpark :( 200€ too much in that, no way it's that good. Well soon should come more official news, a week to release.
It say 280 euros.
Associate explained that one European distributor will propose danamics LM10 for 280 Euros (Inc Tax).
by: tigger;1053609Yes, but I meant that there is 200€ too much in that 280€ price. 80€ I'd be willing to spend on it if it really is better than all current air coolers.
It say 280 euros.