EarlZThey show an LN2 OCing potential but say it should clock well in air , is that always the case when a chip does decently on LN2?

Para_FranckBut why is the overclocking potential so important? just release a 4.0Ghz stock clock already, even if does not overclock much over stock....
(Should I be asking this knowing that my X2 5600+ runs at 3.3Ghz)

btarunrIt's going down.

[I.R.A]_FBii think intel is going to get a beating in the midrange ....

farlex85All these ghz clocks are meaningless w/o architecture efficiency, which we have no indication of as of yet. :( 6ghz on the same phenom clock for clock speed still isn't that good compared to i7. We had some indication of how nehalem would do clock for clock this long before launch, I wish they would show us the same here, cause raw ghz is meaningless these days unless comparing the exact same architecture to itself.

farlex85All these ghz clocks are meaningless w/o architecture efficiency, which we have no indication of as of yet. :( 6ghz on the same phenom clock for clock speed still isn't that good compared to i7. We had some indication of how nehalem would do clock for clock this long before launch, I wish they would show us the same here, cause raw ghz is meaningless these days unless comparing the exact same architecture to itself.

wolf2009you are forgetting that 9950 was almost equal to Q6600. and quad core penryns are not much faster.

So if P-II is a little bit faster than P-I, then it is equal to Intel quad core penryns. Maybe it will even beat them, thats what AMD needs to do.
Thats the mainstream, that is where money is.

Core i7 is not going to have a market share of 1-2% until Q3 2009 until Intel starts shipping P55/Lynnfield

farlex85Not really, it was still a bit behind. And penryn is actually considerably faster than kentsfield. Penryn will also be able to be priced extremely competitively since at this point it's old tech. If all PII does is match penryn's performance, there still isn't much of a compelling reason to go that route, except perhaps novelty and amd dedication.

However, we do seem to be coming into a time where many enthusiasts don't need the power that the entire i7 line brings (gamers). So if AMD can beat penryn a bit and make the price super compelling, then many, including myself, will have a very good reason to go over. But I personally couldn't care less if it does 6ghz or 4ghz on air (my 2 year old 6750 does 4ghz on air no problem).

PauliegBut if that 4ghz on air translates into performance, and the price is right...I'll go for it. I've got an old soft spot for AMD. :laugh:

btarunrIt's going down.

farlex85Oh absolutely, my point was just that 4ghz alone means nothing w/o even knowing what 3ghz does. I almost don't like AMD b/c of the constant fanboyism they receive :laugh:, but if they do this right I'll probably have a phenom II next year.

farlex85All these ghz clocks are meaningless w/o architecture efficiency, which we have no indication of as of yet. :( 6ghz on the same phenom clock for clock speed still isn't that good compared to i7. We had some indication of how nehalem would do clock for clock this long before launch, I wish they would show us the same here, cause raw ghz is meaningless these days unless comparing the exact same architecture to itself.

NoggrinNice, mb now amd will finally beat the old Q6600..:laugh:

If its close to the 45nm intel quad-cores would be cool.. :toast: