SteevoThis is anti-DRM, they customize your game exe file to matcha specific size, or perhaps use a hardware file to track if this game belongs on this machine.


The only downside that some whiny little bitches might have is you probably hve to be connected to the interwebz for them to "spy" on you when you start the game.

Just because I feel that I should not have to be connected to the internet to start up my games in single player mode that NOWHERE ON THE BOX state that they need an active internet connection for anything other than initial activation does not mean I am a whiny little bitch. This is exactly the sort of attitude which made me stop posting on these forums. I feel I should be able to play my games while not connected to the internet - I do not think this is irrational.

Steam is the best gaming platform, I don't see how this is so bad!

theonetruewillJust because I feel that I should not have to be connected to the internet to start up my games in single player mode that NOWHERE ON THE BOX state that they need an active internet connection for anything other than initial activation does not mean I am a whiny little bitch. This is exactly the sort of attitude which made me stop posting on these forums. I feel I should be able to play my games while not connected to the internet - I do not think this is irrational.

So if the box says you need it, then all would be ok?

I remember these exact discussions over 10 years ago on newgroups when people were complaining why they needed graphics card to play games. They said they should be able to use software rendering because they feel like it. Sounds irrational to you in these modern days doesn't it?

I remember roughly 6-7 years ago when people were complaining about developers dropping support for Windows 95/98 and moving on to Windows XP. They said they feel they should be able to play their games on Windows 98 instead of using XP. Sounds irrational to you in these modern days doesn't it?

In 5-6 years, when people look back (hopefully PC gaming still exists by then), their gonna be saying to these people "wow, people complained about playing games requiring internet back then, my how we have evolved!!". Then imagine what will look "irrational".

In my > 15 years of PC's, I've seen it all and this is the same thing. People will complain, people will whine, people will deny, but in the end, people will adapt. I guarantee it.

ktrAnd that is why I love steam...

I'm a steam user since "Counter Strike" and couldn't agree more. Unlimited download without disc beats having to go through a pile of junk to find that game god know where it is?

ArmoredCavalryIt is not, yet...



See dow2/empire TW (no choice whether you want to use steam or not if you want to play those).

I don't purchase steam games at full price, I do wait for deals.

No, it's simeple. Don't play them. Just like a phone tied to a carrier, or trying to get a Pontiac with Ford paint, or a Porsche with a BMW body.


No one if FORCING you to purchase anything.

I think steam can be terrible.

For example I purchased Empire total war from GAME, installed it etc etc and when I went to play it, steam gave me an error message and I had to wait another day until I could. Also CoH had sound problems and L4D can be funny at times.

I do think though that steam has potential but until it can let me play my games when I get them then I am happy. I don't care what kind of DRM steam uses but as long as my access to MY software isn't restricted then its all good.

NyteSo if the box says you need it, then all would be ok?

I do not see why the boxes have to state that they require internet for the activation, but they do not have to state that they require internet to play the game at all. If I was whining, I would be using irrational and illogical arguments. I personally do not feel I am. To label me as whining could be construed as insulting. Your arguments are irrelevant in response to my argument in my opinion. Games state that they require the following operating systems or hardware to play the games. My argument was that some games available via box in stores and via Steam do not state that they require an internet connection to play the game (only that they requiree activation)- thus making it hard to tell whether you need to have a constant internet connection to have to play the game. On another note, hardware rendering/acceleration was also essential for the progress in graphics in games all those years ago. A constant internet connection is not required for the programming and design of games. Labelling anyone who disagrees with your point as whiners, complainers and deniers is not how to persuade people. I have not called you anything untowards have I.

SteevoNo, it's simeple. Don't play them. Just like a phone tied to a carrier, or trying to get a Pontiac with Ford paint, or a Porsche with a BMW body. No one if FORCING you to purchase anything.

I bought DOW II because it said internet connection required for activation. It did not say internet required for play. If it had I may not have purchased it.

theonetruewillI do not see why the boxes have to state that they require internet for the activation, but they do not have to state that they require internet to play the game at all. If I was whining, I would be using irrational and illogical arguments. I personally do not feel I am. To label me as whining could be construed as insulting. Your arguments are irrelevant in response to my argument in my opinion. Games state that they require the following operating systems or hardware to play the games. My argument was that some games available via box in stores and via Steam do not state that they require an internet connection to play the game (only that they requiree activation)- thus making it hard to tell whether you need to have a constant internet connection to have to play the game. On another note, hardware rendering/acceleration was also essential for the progress in graphics in games all those years ago. A constant internet connection is not required for the programming and design of games. Labelling anyone who disagrees with your point as whiners, complainers and deniers is not how to persuade people. I have not called you anything untowards have I.


I bought DOW II because it said internet connection required for activation. It did not say internet required for play. If it had I may not have purchased it.

What... I can play DOW II without internet. I launch Steam in offline mode and use an offline Live profile. I don't know what you're talking about.

NyteWhat... I can play DOW II without internet. I launch Steam in offline mode and use an offline Live profile. I don't know what you're talking about.

My internet died one day and I could do the same thing :confused:

NyteWhat... I can play DOW II without internet. I launch Steam in offline mode and use an offline Live profile. I don't know what you're talking about.

Won't let me do it in offline mode - I will go to DOW forums to see if this can be fixed.

Here is the steam support article on using Offline mode, a few things might need setting up first.

support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555

:toast:

theonetruewillWon't let me do it in offline mode - I will go to DOW forums to see if this can be fixed.

Steam won't let you? Or Live! won't let you? You need to make both off-line (or if you just want to avoid Steam, just make that off-line).

I keep modified .exe's incase steam goes down and I want to play my game.

SteevoNo, it's simeple. Don't play them. Just like a phone tied to a carrier, or trying to get a Pontiac with Ford paint, or a Porsche with a BMW body.


No one if FORCING you to purchase anything.

Yeah, because I know if I don't like one thing about a product, I don't buy it.... :rolleyes:

If I was looking at a BMW that I really liked, and didn't like the cupholder it had, I would complain about it, but that wouldn't keep me from buying the car. :laugh: Get it? ;)

In don't know about you, but I don't find every purchase I make to be exactly what I want...

NyteI remember these exact discussions over 10 years ago on newgroups when people were complaining why they needed graphics card to play games. They said they should be able to use software rendering because they feel like it. Sounds irrational to you in these modern days doesn't it?

Yeah, but the difference is, what does being connected to Steam offer to me, the user? There are lots of other ways to play games online without steam, that work just as good (if not better). The advantage of video cards is obvious, the advantage of steam is more about convenience (auto-updates/instant access to game) than necessity (being able to render better graphics).

NyteWhat... I can play DOW II without internet. I launch Steam in offline mode and use an offline Live profile. I don't know what you're talking about.

I believe you need to be connected to the internet first in order to go into offline mode, unless they changed that...

ArmoredCavalryYeah, because I know if I don't like one thing about a product, I don't buy it.... :rolleyes:

If I was looking at a BMW that I really liked, and didn't like the cupholder it had, I would complain about it, but that wouldn't keep me from buying the car. :laugh: Get it? ;)

In don't know about you, but I don't find every purchase I make to be exactly what I want...



I believe you need to be connected to the internet first in order to go into offline mode, unless they changed that...

So you are either admitting to be a whiny bitch, or a troll. ;) Cause looking a thte back of a box is stupid since it has WURDS.


From the THQ website.

System Specifications

Please note that Dawn of War II does not support Microsoft(R) Windows(R)

95/98/NT/2000.

MINIMUM SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS – please note the Service Packs

• Windows(R) XP SP2 or Vista(R) SP1

• Intel 3.2GHz / AMD Athlon64 3200+ / Intel Core (or Pentium D) 2.0 GHz

or higher CPU

• 1GB RAM (Windows(R) XP) or 1.5GB RAM (Vista(R))

• Shader Model 3 video card (NVIDIA 6600GT 128MB / ATI X1600 128MB) with latest manufacturer drivers.

• DirectX(R) 9.0c compatible sound card

• 5.5GB of uncompressed Hard Drive Space

• Online Steam account

• Games For Windows(R) LIVE Local Profile

support.thq.com/thq/consumer/kbdetail.asp?kbid=388


Woudl you buy the game to play on a Win 95 PC with 128Mb of ram and a 700Mhz Celeron then bitch that it won't play?

SteevoSo you are either admitting to be a whiny bitch, or a troll. ;) Cause looking a thte back of a box is stupid since it has WURDS.


From the THQ website.

System Specifications

Please note that Dawn of War II does not support Microsoft(R) Windows(R)

95/98/NT/2000.

MINIMUM SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS – please note the Service Packs

• Windows(R) XP SP2 or Vista(R) SP1

• Intel 3.2GHz / AMD Athlon64 3200+ / Intel Core (or Pentium D) 2.0 GHz

or higher CPU

• 1GB RAM (Windows(R) XP) or 1.5GB RAM (Vista(R))

• Shader Model 3 video card (NVIDIA 6600GT 128MB / ATI X1600 128MB) with latest manufacturer drivers.

• DirectX(R) 9.0c compatible sound card

• 5.5GB of uncompressed Hard Drive Space

• Online Steam account

• Games For Windows(R) LIVE Local Profile

support.thq.com/thq/consumer/kbdetail.asp?kbid=388


Woudl you buy the game to play on a Win 95 PC with 128Mb of ram and a 700Mhz Celeron then bitch that it won't play?

WOW DUDE! This has to be the worst reply I have ever read on TPU. Congrats! :)

Did you actually read anything I typed? If so, what are you even talking about?! All you did was throw insults my way....

When did I ever say I expected to play Steam games without internet? :laugh:

Steam's form of DRM is one of the least intrusive and lowest performance impact solutions available. As long as they continue to offer a lean client with relatively ad free usage and lots of features, I have nothing but praise for their software, support, and innovative distribution method.

Steam is DRM. It's job is to determine if you are eligible to play the software despite being in possession of it. That is what all DRM does. It is an anti-consumer, pro-business platform. Again, take a hint from World of Goo and other software titles that sold without DRM of any form.

I have not, and never will buy any product via Steam because Steam software pisses me off. I like my DVDs I can pop in at my discretion and install a game in under 10 minutes without software talking behind my back to make sure it is fine with the "higher ups." Screw them. If you don't trust your customers, you don't deserve to be in business.

If it means no more securom . . . go steam

What exactly does Steam offer that buying retail doesn't?

Updates, a common platform for players, games that valve makes by their own distrobution channel, no media to scratch, break, lose, or lose the key for, some free media, alot of really awsome discounts, no store idiots to listen to, no trip only to find it sold out, prerelease copies, multi-machine installs, update news, teams, friends, and clubhouses. Easy to use in game chat, server side software, mods.



Is insurance on your car also a huge scam, them telling the goverment if you have it on a car or not to determine if you get a licanse for the car? Ohez noez!!! They KNOW!!!!!

Updates - I download them once and place them in a pool of downloads on my server. If I erase and decide to install it again, it takes a few seconds to copy it from the server. I also only put stuff in there that is known to work without conflicts. That means, I don't necessarily even have to check for new updates although I might.

Common Platform - Windows for me. I don't need 3rd party software playing the role of game jockey.

Valve Games - Aside from Portal, their software doesn't interest me.

Media - It is also physical proof you own the product. If they be an ass over it, you can show them a picture of the retail CD and they really have no grounds to argue with you on.

Media Storage - I have 4 x 200-208 disk binders. The disks come out of there only once in a while. None have been damaged beyond repair and none have been lost.

Media Keys - I put the key in an Excel spreadsheet as I install them then copy the key from the spreadsheet into the installer. That confirms the key that is in the spreadsheet has no copy errors. I then store the media separate from the CD binders.

Free Media - Have yet to encounter one that is good.

Discounts - Buying boxed, you have dozens of vendors to get it from with numerous promotions and the like. Hell, I got a The Sims 2 expansion pack for free from Amazon as an incentive for getting their card. I've also purchased numerous games from Sam's Club at about 20% discount from every other retailer out there (e.g. most of The Sims 2 expansion packs are $29.99 at most places, Amazon will have it for $27.99, and Sam's Club could have it for around $24-25).

Store Idiots - I haven't encountered one of those.

Sold Out - Call in advance or order online.

Prerelease - I have no interest in betas and/or marketing gimmicks to get me to use crap software.

Multi-machine Installs - The anti-piracy protection of the software determines this. Of course, there's always relatively easy ways around it.

Update News - www.gamershell.com

Teams, Friends, Clubhouses, game chat, server side software, mods - Don't use any of these either. I'd rather not be disturbed while playing a game and mods just ruin it for me.


Reasons not to use Steam? Google is your friend. I can't be bothered to list them all individually.

FordGT90ConceptWhat exactly does Steam offer that buying retail doesn't?

A salary for the game developers. Because buying retail is hardly existent in these days of piracy.

NyteA salary for the game developers. Because buying retail is hardly existent in these days of piracy.

That's exactly what Sony DADC (authors of SecuROM) made them believe. Look at it this way: If you owned a shoe store and got robbed by someone, do you consider the robber a potential, paying customer? Hell no! You want him paying for the damage he's done with a swift kick to the ass so he doesn't do it again. An eye for an eye is a natural human response.

What Sony DADC and the other anti-piracy software companies have done is convinced publishers that they need anti-piracy software built into their software. Publishers have been utterly convinced (by the people that profit from it) that the criminals are paying customers. The publishers have been made to believe that if they hand over $20,000 to protect their product, you will "convert" more than enough "customers" to cover the cost of protecting it. In reality, those that pirate aren't customers at all. They are thieves. If they try and fail to rob one store, they'll rob another one that is easier to rob (e.g. no security system). There's no sense paying to keep a criminal customer. This market is completely fabricated by those who profit from it.


Buying retail has kept the industry alive for 20+ years and shows no sign of stopping.

Here's an article you may find interesting:
www.politicalmachine.com/article/342982/Its_not_about_Steam_vs_Impulse_vs_anything


I think who wins this contest for software distribution will be something like Amazon and how they handle music. That is, you buy the product from them, you download a standard format (like ISO), and you burn it with software built into operating systems. The only reason why digital distribution of music took off is because the downloads are pretty small. The only way game distribution will take off is when Internet connections, on average, are fast enough to download a game in a matter of minutes. It'll probably be another 20-50 years before this comes to fruition to a degree that it has with music.


So yeah, "meh" to Steam. If you love your Valve software, you'll be using Steam because they force you (e.g. Portal). If you love EA software, you'll be using EA Download Manager because they force you to (e.g. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Uprising). Don't bow to their demands. You're the customer: you make the demands.

FordGT90ConceptSo yeah, "meh" to Steam. If you love your Valve software, you'll be using Steam because they force you (e.g. Portal). If you love EA software, you'll be using EA Download Manager because they force you to (e.g. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 Uprising). Don't bow to their demands. You're the customer: you make the demands.

I completely agree with that. I hate EA's forced install of gamespy, Empire total war needing steam etc. I think that these large companies are deluded that piracy is bigger than it actually is I mean this is similar to pirate dvd's and video tapes its rediculous.