Thursday, April 30th 2009

3R System Boss 2 Surfaces

3R System, a Korean company that specializes in PC cases, cooling products, and power supplies unveiled a new high-end CPU air cooler, the Boss 2. This cooler uses the most common tower-design coolers in its class use. The unit measures 131(L)x95(W)x152(H) mm, and weights around 730 g (1.61 lbs). The cooler design consists of a CPU block that doubles up as a tiny heatsink. Here, five heatpipes make direct contact with the CPU. The heatpipes propagate through a dense array of aluminum fins. Its air-flow is care of a 120 mm LED-lit fan that rotates at speeds between 1000 and 2000 rpm, 53.5 CFM to 78.5 CFM, with a noise output range of 19 to 32 dBA. Sources indicate that the cooler will be released worldwide very soon, though there is no word on its price.


Sources: CPUsers.gr, Cooln.kr
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22 Comments on 3R System Boss 2 Surfaces

#1
JATownes
5 direct touch heat pipes!! Nice. I might have to give this a go, depending on $$$
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#2
aCid888*
Hey Bta, any idea if Xigmatek gave them the OK to use this design?

If I remember correctly Xiggy own the rights to the 'HDT' design and have been fighting legal battles because of other companies using their design.
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#3
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Wow, 5 pipes. Nice. What are the dimensions on the pipes? 6mm or 8mm?
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#4
ShadowFold
Looks like a total thor's hammer rip off
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#5
aCid888*
by: ShadowFold
Looks like a total Thor's hammer rip off
Isn't every HDT cooler inspired by Xigmateks design? Seems like it to me. :shadedshu
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#6
ShadowFold
Not only that, but look at the second pic. The Thor's Hammer has something exactly like it.
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#7
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
by: aCid888*
Hey Bta, any idea if Xigmatek gave them the OK to use this design?

If I remember correctly Xiggy own the rights to the 'HDT' design and have been fighting legal battles because of other companies using their design.
If such a deal has to be made, and they gave them the rights, the company should mention it by using the "HDT" branding, and mentioning a note on patents. I've not seen it on any of the material I've seen so far about this cooler.
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#8
tkpenalty
by: ShadowFold
Looks like a total thor's hammer rip off
by: aCid888*
Isn't every HDT cooler inspired by Xigmateks design? Seems like it to me. :shadedshu
by: aCid888*
Hey Bta, any idea if Xigmatek gave them the OK to use this design?

If I remember correctly Xiggy own the rights to the 'HDT' design and have been fighting legal battles because of other companies using their design.
Note 3R Came out with a HDT design WAY before Xigmatek. So are companies going to get sued for heatpipes, fins, and the heatsink?
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#9
BazookaJoe
Direct heat pipes are a poor idea - there's a reason the worlds FASTEST i7 using air cooling achieved this without them - and instead uses a cooler with a spreader plate.

The heat from a CPU does NOT come evenly from the cpu cap - rather from hotspots caused by the placing of the cpu die(s).

As a result the heat pipes on the edges are almost completely un-used and the efficiency of the cooler as a whole is reduced.

(YES i know they still work well, but they would work BETTER if all of their heat pipes where conducting heat away from the cpu - and they don't)

Someone had thermal imaging reviews to prove this (as it seemed ppl couldnt understand the concept) , but I cant find the review anymore - I was sure it was toms h/w ...

Anyone know who it was?
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#10
lemonadesoda
+1 Agreed. The heatpipes need to be very close to the surface but still require a copper block (to provide thermal transfer and to provide some thermal capacity) on the IHS.
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#11
Duncan1
The company names the direct heat-pipe tech as DTH (Direct Touch Heatpipe), so I think there's no problem with Xigmatek's HDT.

by: WarEagleAU
Wow, 5 pipes. Nice. What are the dimensions on the pipes? 6mm or 8mm?
They are 8mm.

BTW, official photos (with the specs) are located at CPUsers.gr source, post #5
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#12
h3llb3nd4
Well I don't really care about them patents:D
All I want is an awesome product
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#13
shiny_red_cobra
"Its air-flow is care of a 120 mm LED-lit fan that rotates at speeds between 1000 and 2000 rpm"

I don't see any fan in those pictures...am I missing something?
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#14
Duncan1
by: shiny_red_cobra
"Its air-flow is care of a 120 mm LED-lit fan that rotates at speeds between 1000 and 2000 rpm"

I don't see any fan in those pictures...am I missing something?
Check the source man, post #5;)
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#15
Wile E
Power User
by: BazookaJoe
Direct heat pipes are a poor idea - there's a reason the worlds FASTEST i7 using air cooling achieved this without them - and instead uses a cooler with a spreader plate.

The heat from a CPU does NOT come evenly from the cpu cap - rather from hotspots caused by the placing of the cpu die(s).

As a result the heat pipes on the edges are almost completely un-used and the efficiency of the cooler as a whole is reduced.

(YES i know they still work well, but they would work BETTER if all of their heat pipes where conducting heat away from the cpu - and they don't)

Someone had thermal imaging reviews to prove this (as it seemed ppl couldnt understand the concept) , but I cant find the review anymore - I was sure it was toms h/w ...

Anyone know who it was?
Yeah, but the heatpipes that do make contact with the hotspots work much more efficiently than the old design with a spreader. How else do you explain a Xigmatek HDT-S1283 keeping pace with a TRUE? In short, those heatpipes that do make contact with the hotspot work much more efficiently, to the point where they keep pace with all 6 pipes under the spreader of something like a TRUE, rendering the difference in heat spread on an HDT cooler meaningless. AKA: All that matters is the end result.

The waste comes in the form of cost by having more heatpipes than needed. If these companies would make the heatpipes near gapless, I don't think any standard cooler would stand a chance.
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#16
tkpenalty
by: Wile E
Yeah, but the heatpipes that do make contact with the hotspots work much more efficiently than the old design with a spreader. How else do you explain a Xigmatek HDT-S1283 keeping pace with a TRUE? In short, those heatpipes that do make contact with the hotspot work much more efficiently, to the point where they keep pace with all 6 pipes under the spreader of something like a TRUE, rendering the difference in heat spread on an HDT cooler meaningless. AKA: All that matters is the end result.

The waste comes in the form of cost by having more heatpipes than needed. If these companies would make the heatpipes near gapless, I don't think any standard cooler would stand a chance.
According to Xigmatek the "secret" behind the HDT S1283's performance is the heatpipe diameter and not only the HDT. It means that more heat is able to be immediately transferred.

A spreader slows down heat transfer guys, when you compare it to heatpipes. Heatpipes immediately transfer heat to the fins (in a rapid oscillation), whilst copper "slowly" transfers it. The faster the rate of transfer the better.

I think Xigmatek's quality control has taken a dump when you look at their recent coolers, with old batches of HDT S1283 sometimes besting them. This is my theory, I reckon its because now they have a higher demand and the finishing process is done faster; with faster machinery to lap the cooler, you get more friction, thus a lot of heat. Too much heat will permanently increase the pressure of the vapor chamber (somehow... dunno), causing the heat transfer to be slightly less (seems more like "significantly less" to me recently).

Just note its probably impossible for thicker heatpipes unless we have another material which provides the same heat transfer characteristics, but with more structural integrity, as anything wider will need a much thicker interior, or the pipe would collapse on itself.'

Hopefully 3R's cooler will have more consistent quality, as its made by a completely different company. I've noticed that non-Xigmatek manufacturing offerings these days best their quality so the aforementioned theory may be right. This would be the boss of cooling.

by: lemonadesoda
+1 Agreed. The heatpipes need to be very close to the surface but still require a copper block (to provide thermal transfer and to provide some thermal capacity) on the IHS.
A copper block logically speaking transfers heat slower than heatpipes (they're heat superconductors), such a small block moreover lacks any "thermal capacity" and it is NOT supposed to store heat-that is the LAST thing that you want. Why don't you guys think through it before you believe every source of information?

One classic case which displays what I just said is Scythe's coolers which are heavily limited by their exceedingly thick copper blocks which negate the "speed" advantage of their extreme heatpipe arrays (Orochi). Someone give them a wakeup call please?

Don't take recent review results of Xigmatek coolers into account, because there seems to be a quality issue, if an old Xigmatek HDT S1283 outdoes half of the quad pipe coolers.

by: BazookaJoe
Direct heat pipes are a poor idea - there's a reason the worlds FASTEST i7 using air cooling achieved this without them - and instead uses a cooler with a spreader plate.

The heat from a CPU does NOT come evenly from the cpu cap - rather from hotspots caused by the placing of the cpu die(s).

As a result the heat pipes on the edges are almost completely un-used and the efficiency of the cooler as a whole is reduced.

(YES i know they still work well, but they would work BETTER if all of their heat pipes where conducting heat away from the cpu - and they don't)

Someone had thermal imaging reviews to prove this (as it seemed ppl couldnt understand the concept) , but I cant find the review anymore - I was sure it was toms h/w ...

Anyone know who it was?
Read what I said above
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#17
Hayder_Master
i think 4 heat pipe will be enough , if you see the the first and last heat pipe not complete touch the cpu
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#18
HellasVagabond
I have it here next to me and from what i know 3RSys has not agreed on any patent issues with Xigma. In any case i hope to have this ready within the week.

PS : When the source is clearly Cooln.kr i see no point in mentioning a second source, the congrats are / should be awarded just to the original source.
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#19
Duncan1
by: HellasVagabond
I have it here next to me and from what i know 3RSys has not agreed on any patent issues with Xigma. In any case i hope to have this ready within the week.

PS : When the source is clearly Cooln.kr i see no point in mentioning a second source, the congrats are / should be awarded just to the original source.
Wow that's fast, we are waiting for the review!
Btw, have you heard anything about pricing?

PS : Eh? The CPUsers.gr source provides additional information, such as picture with specs, and additional photos. Seeing the point now?:toast:
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#20
HellasVagabond
Pricing should be no more than 30-35Euros in the EU.

As for the rest....Your website lists the specs found at the official 3RSys website so that is your source although you did not specify it for some weird reason :

http://www.3rsys.com/products/view.asp?navi=watercooler&idx_num=155


As for the problem with Xigmatek, 3RSys calls their system D.T.H ( Direct Touch Heatpipe ) so currently there is no issue with the H.D.T by Xigmatek ( Heatpipe Direct Touch ). And yes it is a word game but it works ;)
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#21
Duncan1
by: HellasVagabond
Pricing should be no more than 30-35Euros in the EU.

As for the rest....Your website lists the specs found at the official 3RSys website so that is your source although you did not specify it for some weird reason :

http://www.3rsys.com/products/view.asp?navi=watercooler&idx_num=155


As for the problem with Xigmatek, 3RSys calls their system D.T.H ( Direct Touch Heatpipe ) so currently there is no issue with the H.D.T by Xigmatek ( Heatpipe Direct Touch ). And yes it is a word game but it works ;)
Thanks for the price, imo it's very good and competitive. (if it's performance will be above average levels of course)
As for the rest....Your website lists the specs found at the official 3RSys website so that is your source although you did not specify it for some weird reason :

http://www.3rsys.com/products/view.asp?navi=watercooler&idx_num=155
Why are you so sure mate?;)
As for the problem with Xigmatek, 3RSys calls their system D.T.H ( Direct Touch Heatpipe ) so currently there is no issue with the H.D.T by Xigmatek ( Heatpipe Direct Touch ). And yes it is a word game but it works ;)
I have already mentioned it at post #12.;)
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#22
HellasVagabond
I am sure because you did not mention their website under the photos you posted the second time over. Unless you changed it now, which i am to tired to go and look.

Second Xigmatek is fighting companies that use H.D.T and just rename it but from what i know they have still to make any breakthroughs with the law.
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