Sunday, May 17th 2009
NVIDIA GT300 Already Taped Out
NVIDIA's upcoming next-generation graphics processor, codenamed GT300 is on course for launch later this year. Its development seems to have crossed an important milestone, with news emerging that the company has already taped out some of the first engineering samples of the GPU, under the A1 batch. The development of the GPU is significant since it is the first high-end GPU to be designed on the 40 nm silicon process. Both NVIDIA and AMD however, are facing issues with the 40 nm manufacturing node of TSMC, the principal foundry-partner for the two. Due to this reason, the chip might be built by another foundry partner (yet to be known) the two are reaching out to. UMC could be a possibility, as it has recently announced its 40 nm node that is ready for "real, high-performance" designs.
The GT300 comes in three basic forms, which perhaps are differentiated by batch quality processing: G300 (that make it to consumer graphics, GeForce series), GT300 (that make it to high-performance computing products, Tesla series), and G200GL (that make it to professional/enterprise graphics, Quadro series). From what we know so far, the core features 512 shader processors, a revamped data processing model in the form of MIMD, and will feature a 512-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface to churn out around 256 GB/s of memory bandwidth. The GPU is compliant with DirectX 11, which makes its entry with Microsoft Windows 7 later this year, and can be found in release candidate versions of the OS already.
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The GT300 comes in three basic forms, which perhaps are differentiated by batch quality processing: G300 (that make it to consumer graphics, GeForce series), GT300 (that make it to high-performance computing products, Tesla series), and G200GL (that make it to professional/enterprise graphics, Quadro series). From what we know so far, the core features 512 shader processors, a revamped data processing model in the form of MIMD, and will feature a 512-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface to churn out around 256 GB/s of memory bandwidth. The GPU is compliant with DirectX 11, which makes its entry with Microsoft Windows 7 later this year, and can be found in release candidate versions of the OS already.
96 Comments on NVIDIA GT300 Already Taped Out
I was looking for this one
www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=18240
but I have been hearing that ATI redeveloped their dual gpu pcb's for better bandwidth utilization
so . . . nvidia keeps their crown, . . . nice i guess good for price wars
DISCLOSURE: I am not a fanboi i will buy whatever the best card is in my price range so please i really don't need the flaming.
EDIT: Just in case on goes the fireproof suit ;)
Nvidia is not at an unfair advantage at all, with that logic you can say that ATI is at an unfair advantage in the midrange due to the Nvidia's GTS250 series being an overclocked 9800 GTX+. So its ok for Nvidia sell a GTS 250 which is an overclocked 9800 GTX+ but its not ok for ATI to overclock their 4870 and call it a 4890?
One rule for Nvidia and a different rule for ATI huh?
In fact in both cases the 4890 and GTS 250 are more than just mere overclocks and hence its very fair! - the GTS 250 uses 55nm opposed to 65mn core and the 4890 has an increased ring of 3 million transistors more than the 4870 and hence its not JUST and overclock and therefore no disadvantage.
NOTE: I did not at any stage say that the 4890 was eith an overclock ofthe 4870 a rebadge or any other statement i simply observed the graphs and responded.
And we didn't even spoke about the x4 variant (if the gossips of MCM are true) :D.
1.) The overclocked HD4890 can beat the stock GTX285 in a few games, but overall the GTX285 still the better performer. The original comment, and this thread, has little to do with price or performance per dollar. If you haven't realized that price does not increase at the same rate as performance, and that higher performing cards come at a price premium, you really have not business in a discussion about performance or price.
2.) You seem to really like to worry about performance per dollar. And while you were trying to sound all high and mighty, and insult the other members, you seemed to have completely failed to notice that the GTX275 offers a better performance per dollar than the stock HD4890, and equals the performance per dollar of the overclocked card in the graphs you posted... Oddly enough, it also straight up outperformed the stock hard, and matched the overclocked...I always find this argument odd...
So your argument is that nVidia needed a card with 2 GPUs to take the performance crown from ATi, and this is some how a negative for nVidia...
But ATi needed a card with 2 GPUs to take the performance crown nVidia's single GPU. How is that better? Why is it bad for nVidia to need two GPUs to beat ATI's two GPUs, but not bad for ATi to need 2 GPUs to beat nVidia's 1?
Actually, my initial response reminded him to always mention price when trying to compare the two cards, but I felt that if I did, he'd feel I was somehow making fun of him since only a moron would forget such a thing.
Have a nice day, dick.
For the record 1Ghz is within spec for these chips, and not a "overclock" part.
What I care about is performance at the end of the day. How many cried when GTA4 came out and they couldn't play it at high settings, and yet it just required more memory, so in all actuality my lowly 4850 beat a 786MB card of the green camp. I overclocked my card, spent less and played more. same for a 4890, and hell even the 4770 in my parents build. $99 that kicks the shit out of a GTS250.
The difference here is we are all talking performance per dollar, performance maximum availability, and drivers.
In almost every segment of the market ATI has Nvidia beat on price and or performance. For a actual mid range card the 4770/4850 rapes Nvidia, 4890 rapes everything but 295 but for the money of a 295 you could X-fire two 4890's and still rape it, hell a 4870 X2 is 14% more efficient per dollar.
And as for the 55nm GT200 cards, they got rid of the backplate because the memory was all moved to the front of the card, so the backplate was not needed to cool the RAM anymore.
I wasn't aiming this at you, but at the haters, I have Nvidia cards in use at work. I use what gets me from (figurative) point A to B the cheapest and within reason. If Nvidia ever releases a product when I am ready to buy that does better then the red counterpart, I will move to that. I will admit the biggest fuckup I had was my X1800XT, $599 that I sold a year or so after for $70.
I don't hate Nvidia, or ATI, I hate the fanbois who believe their company of choice can do no wrong. I was also in the wrong when I bought a Prescott thinking something was being made better. I was wrong and moved to AMD. I only have one AMD at work, most are C2D's or other Intels.
Anyway, enough of the name calling.
simply put... quality, Usually quality wise Nvidia is better most of the time, cooler, warranty (EVGA, BFG), price/performance wise MOST of the time goes to Ati, remember im not talking quality of the gpu, these is reference on the cooler, and partners warranty and upgrade plans, But this is a big BUT, nvidia usually develops a BIGBADASS core very expensive to manufacture, then to recover the crown(taken by ati dual gpu) they make a two core solution thats very expensive, just to recover market share, and drop the ball on other things an example is my friend he had a EVGA GTX260 SC 192 and EVGA replaced it with a 55nm Wich ran hotter OC a little less and even had some cheap looking capacitors the 192 version was full SS Capacitors, im not saying Nvidia cant do a 2 core gpu and Ati can, IM SAYING they usualy dont plan to, and when they do build one, they start to loose cash, remember the couple of $ they lost recently, i like Ati & Nvidia i want to keep the fight as close as they can both with profits and quality.
EDIT: Of course they could do a 65nm version of the 295, it had nothing to do with thermals and power draw, and of course they remove the backplate cause they move the memory, and gee me thinking here they move the memory to get rid of the backplate and bring cost down.
As far as bang for the buck goes, I'm the same way when it comes to what I buy. I've loved the hell out of my 8800gt, but I think it's time to upgrade soon. I've been seriously eyeballing these 4890s as a practical purchase. I honestly have no preference between nvidia or ati, so long as the product makes me happy. I don't understand arguments that are fueled by illogical brand loyalty.
Oh and don't feel bad about spending too much on a video card. I bought an x800xl from compusa when I probably could have gotten it for much, MUCH cheaper.
I literally just posted a simple question "Are you happy with your computer? If you are, then what does it matter what anyone else tells you?"
I see the same thing here (maybe not as heavy) about intel vs amd or nvidia vs ati. People get so anal about mindless crap that has no effect on anything.
:toast:
the price of the next gen card more affordable, if ATI doesn't come up with anything strong to compete w/ this beast then the price of Nvidia's GT300 will be sky high..
with the next gen cards just around the corner this is getting more exciting Lol.