Friday, June 12th 2009

Microsoft to Strip Windows 7 of IE and WMP for Europe, Abiding by Laws

Software giant Microsoft has had disturbed relations with the EU markets following series of lawsuits to penalise the company's alleged anti-competitive market practices. Abiding by the courts' judgments, Microsoft will release two special types of its upcoming Windows 7 operating system to sell in Euro-zone countries. The OS will be devoid of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 (MSIE 8) web-browser, and Windows Media Player (WMP) 12 multimedia software. The first type is Windows 7 E, which lacks MSIE 8 alone. The second is Windows 7 N, which lacks MSIE 8 and WMP 12. The standard type which includes both, will not be available in Euro-zone countries. These types maintain their variant hierarchy (with the lineup starting from Home Basic to Ultimate).

Furthermore, the copies of Windows 7 (E, N) will require a clean installation. Users will not be able to upgrade their existing Windows Vista installations with such types of Windows 7. This however, won't affect the standard version. The move puts users in a bit of inconvenience, since the OS will not remain web-capable as soon as it's installed. In an effort to make things as easy as possible for users, Microsoft is recommending OEM vendors to pre-install MSIE 8, or any web-browser they choose. MSIE 8 will be available as CD-ROM installation media at stores. It will also be available for users to download using FTP, so a web-browser could be downloaded and installed without the presence of another one. "We're committed to making Windows 7 available in Europe at the same time that it launches in the rest of the world, but we also must comply with European competition law as we launch the product," said Microsoft deputy general counsel Dave Heiner said in a written release. "Given the pending legal proceeding, we've decided that instead of including Internet Explorer in Windows 7 in Europe, we will offer it separately and on an easy-to-install basis to both computer manufacturers and users. We're committed to launching Windows 7 on time in Europe, so we need to address the legal realities in Europe, including the risk of large fines. We believe that this new approach, while not our first choice, is the best path forward given the ongoing legal case in Europe," he added.Source: Hexus.net
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152 Comments on Microsoft to Strip Windows 7 of IE and WMP for Europe, Abiding by Laws

#1
alexp999
Staff
Wtf, MS/EU

How the hell am I supposed to get a browser on my machine. This is so stupid.

Oh well, looks like I'll be downloading the US version then.
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#2
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Does UK come under eurozone (noob question :o)?
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#3
alexp999
Staff
Uk is in europe yes :(
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#4
Yukikaze
And Apple will sell no bundled software with OSX as well ?

And paid linux distros won't include a browser too ?

Riiiiight.

:ohwell:

The EU is way past ridiculous. Having Win7 sold with no browser isn't benefiting customers - It is harming customers.
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alexp999
Staff
I wonder if OEMs are allowed to sell computers in the EU with IE8 on.

Imagine if you bought a brand new PC and couldnt even get teh interwebz

This makes me so angry :mad: At MS for giving in, but more at EU and their ridiculous policies. I really think something needs to be done about the EU, a thin down of all the bods and relook at policies.
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#6
jamesrt2004
apple don't have to it's not the company monopolizing the business if that makes sense..

the way Microsoft have to abide is by either giving the choice to install different ones at start up, (which they wont) or just not come with any

but... have the installer for i.e included so just run setup if that makes sense... so d/w you'll still be able to get the i.e included ....


EU is fine it's just stopping people being forced to use WMP etc.... will give things like Winamp/firefox and all that stuff a chance...
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btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
by: alexp999
I wonder if OEMs are allowed to sell computers in the EU with IE8 on.
Yes, HP, Lenovo, Dell, (OEMs), can sell with MSIE 8 preinstalled. Smaller system integrators would know that it's a good idea to sell their customer a PC with at least one browser/media player installed.
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#9
DaveK
So ANYONE who get's Windows 7 in Europe is going to have to get access to ANOTHER machine with internet to download their preferred browser? That's just ridiculous.
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#10
Yukikaze
by: jamesrt2004

EU is fine it's just stopping people being forced to use WMP etc.... will give things like Winamp/firefox and all that stuff a chance...
I run Vista, I don't use WMP, nor IE. How am I being forced to use them by virtue of having them come with the OS ? I used IE to download Chrome and Firefox and that's it.

True, they are there and I cannot uninstall them - So frakkin' what ?
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#11
alexp999
Staff
Im hoping it will come like XP used to with a link to Install MSN explorer, and it will work like that.

The thing is, even tho MS say it doesnt come with it, IE8 is part of the make up of the OS, it can just be removed, it probably just that shortcuts wont be in place, and there will be an easy way to implement them,

So many programs rely on IE being in exitence to function. Steam uses IE ffs.
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#12
twicksisted
they'll have some sort of a downloader built in that gives you the option of installing it i presume...
either that you youll be able to use "windows explorer" to browse http / ftp pages like you currently can
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#13
csendesmark
Why dont they pre-install: Opera FF Chrome and Safari ?
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#14
Homeless
I think it's a bit stupid since most people will have to deal with the hassle of getting a browser from another location. Is MS allowed to have it as an optional component, or have the install file on the cd?
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#15
From_Nowhere
So Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot to avoid being shot in the head by the EU...
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#16
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
At least it can expect to make some money selling IE 8 CDs. (price unknown)

With such a large market, one can expect decent sales of the IE8 CD for those who pick up that, and Windows off the shelf or online (for convenience sake).
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#17
Cuzza
Come one guys, it's not going to make it remotely difficult for YOU to get online. And joe-user will simply have to install a browser when buying a computer. they will find a way to make it easy i bet.

That aside it's ridiculous, why can't Mircosoft bundle what software they like? EU is a dinosaur.
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#18
alexp999
Staff
Damn, if Id have known this earlier, I'd have used my vote in the EU elections and voted for UKIP. Get out of the EU then they cant f**k up our software.

Although I realise its not going to take much, its the principal of the matter. Just hope I can use an EU key on a standard version.

Otherwise there is going to be a lot of Europeans importing Win 7.
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#19
Darknova
by: alexp999
Damn, if Id have known this earlier, I'd have used my vote in the EU elections and voted for UKIP. Get out of the EU then they cant f**k up our software.

Although I realise its not going to take much, its the principal of the matter. Just hope I can use an EU key on a standard version.

Otherwise there is going to be a lot of Europeans importing Win 7.
Go to any store in the UK and try and find the N version of XP and Vista, you won't find them. These were the version with WMP removed released in Europe and Korea (i think). We still have the standard versions, so I have a sneaking suspicion that we will get either both versions, or just the standard one.

Despite the way it looks, we're the country that is "least part of the EU" of any EU country. We still have the power to not listen to EU's business laws.
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#20
R_1
Fee will means you've got to have a choice. God gave us Fee will and M$ took out the freedom to choose from us. We Europeans don't make internet browsers, but we want to be able to choose which US browser to use - IE, Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Google Chrome or some other. Don't blame us for defending our Free will, you've got to do the same.
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#21
Parad0x
Thank God! I don't use these two apps either way:D
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#22
DanTheBanjoman
Señor Moderator
by: twicksisted
they'll have some sort of a downloader built in that gives you the option of installing it i presume...
either that you youll be able to use "windows explorer" to browse http / ftp pages like you currently can
You can't bundle browser downloaders in an OS.

by: rajagiri2
How the hell am I supposed to get a browser on my machine
Neelie Kroes doesn't care about that.
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#23
mtosev
by: btarunr
Does UK come under eurozone (noob question :o)?
in a few months Iceland will be part of the EU. they want to join us who are already in the EU. :laugh:
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#24
Beertintedgoggles
by: R_1
Fee will means you've got to have a choice. God gave us Fee will and M$ took out the freedom to choose from us. We Europeans don't make internet browsers, but we want to be able to choose which US browser to use - IE, Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Google Chrome or some other. Don't blame us for defending our Free will, you've got to do the same.
Wow is that dumb... you have the free will to not buy Windows 7. You have the free will to download another browser using IE then never use IE again. You have the free will to use another media player other than WMP. You have the free will... I'll just end it there, but I believe the issue still remains; how is this any different than all the prebundled software with OSX???
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#25
oli_ramsay
by: R_1
Fee will means you've got to have a choice. God gave us Fee will and M$ took out the freedom to choose from us. We Europeans don't make internet browsers, but we want to be able to choose which US browser to use - IE, Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Google Chrome or some other. Don't blame us for defending our Free will, you've got to do the same.
Opera is Norwegian...
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