Friday, June 12th 2009

Microsoft to Strip Windows 7 of IE and WMP for Europe, Abiding by Laws

Software giant Microsoft has had disturbed relations with the EU markets following series of lawsuits to penalise the company's alleged anti-competitive market practices. Abiding by the courts' judgments, Microsoft will release two special types of its upcoming Windows 7 operating system to sell in Euro-zone countries. The OS will be devoid of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 (MSIE 8) web-browser, and Windows Media Player (WMP) 12 multimedia software. The first type is Windows 7 E, which lacks MSIE 8 alone. The second is Windows 7 N, which lacks MSIE 8 and WMP 12. The standard type which includes both, will not be available in Euro-zone countries. These types maintain their variant hierarchy (with the lineup starting from Home Basic to Ultimate).

Furthermore, the copies of Windows 7 (E, N) will require a clean installation. Users will not be able to upgrade their existing Windows Vista installations with such types of Windows 7. This however, won't affect the standard version. The move puts users in a bit of inconvenience, since the OS will not remain web-capable as soon as it's installed. In an effort to make things as easy as possible for users, Microsoft is recommending OEM vendors to pre-install MSIE 8, or any web-browser they choose. MSIE 8 will be available as CD-ROM installation media at stores. It will also be available for users to download using FTP, so a web-browser could be downloaded and installed without the presence of another one. "We're committed to making Windows 7 available in Europe at the same time that it launches in the rest of the world, but we also must comply with European competition law as we launch the product," said Microsoft deputy general counsel Dave Heiner said in a written release. "Given the pending legal proceeding, we've decided that instead of including Internet Explorer in Windows 7 in Europe, we will offer it separately and on an easy-to-install basis to both computer manufacturers and users. We're committed to launching Windows 7 on time in Europe, so we need to address the legal realities in Europe, including the risk of large fines. We believe that this new approach, while not our first choice, is the best path forward given the ongoing legal case in Europe," he added.
Source: Hexus.net
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152 Comments on Microsoft to Strip Windows 7 of IE and WMP for Europe, Abiding by Laws

#126
TheGuruStud
Oh no! How dare I plug in my flash drive or external HDD. I really want junk software on my comp that I can't remove. Please, give it to me.

It's dumb to force m$ to remove it, but on the other hand, it makes sense b/c it: 1. it sucks 2. tied into the OS, maybe m$ will eventually separate it 3. defaults itself to everything, sometimes even after FF is set to default (some apps open IE instead of FF) 4. doesn't infect my comp just merely by being installed providing a platform of attack 5. it sucks super mega hard?

Anyone worth their salt wouldn't bother with IE or WMP, anyway. No loss.
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#127
hat
Enthusiast
This is epic bullshit. Even though the IE and WMP haters are jumping for joy, how do you expect to be able to download an alternative browser in the first place?
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#128
Paintface
hatThis is epic bullshit. Even though the IE and WMP haters are jumping for joy, how do you expect to be able to download an alternative browser in the first place?
is it that difficult to understand? just like updating windows doesnt need IE anymore, you will be able to download the most used browsers through a simular tool.
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#129
TheMailMan78
Big Member
hatThis is epic bullshit. Even though the IE and WMP haters are jumping for joy, how do you expect to be able to download an alternative browser in the first place?
Whats epic is the EU still attacking them even after they try and play "fair". This is about the EU extorting money from the private sector and has nothing to do with any anti-trust laws. But then what do you expect? They have Nazis and Pirates on the board.
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#130
CyberDruid
What's next? Shipping automobiles without steering wheels or tires so aftermarket MFRs would have better market share?

"So can I get my car with tires then?"

"I'm sorry sir you'll have to tow your new car out of the lot to one of the local tire shops...we are not allowed to put tires on."
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#132
extrasalty
I have the IE- the first and only time I use it is when I search "Firefox".
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#133
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
TheMailMan78So Microsoft folded and is following the "rules" now and the EU is still after them? Greed is all the EU is.
The more I get to know about EU's antitrust lawsuits, the more I imagine them to be as unreasonable as the Canadians in the Canada on Strike episode of South Park. "We want ya mannei!"

(I know Canadians aren't that in reality)
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#134
hat
Enthusiast
TheGuruStudOh no! How dare I plug in my flash drive or external HDD. I really want junk software on my comp that I can't remove. Please, give it to me.
This may be true for you, but what do you think the percentage is of people who have computers having an alternative browser tucked away somewhere, be it burnt to CD, on a flash drive etc. I'd be willing to bet that most of the computer-equipped populus doesn't know that other internet browsers exist outside of IE.
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#135
TheGuruStud
hatThis may be true for you, but what do you think the percentage is of people who have computers having an alternative browser tucked away somewhere, be it burnt to CD, on a flash drive etc. I'd be willing to bet that most of the computer-equipped populus doesn't know that other internet browsers exist outside of IE.
Then they have no one to blame but themselves :laugh:
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#136
Triprift
The ppl that will suffer from this the most would be non puter savvy ppl who dont know there is other browsers other than IE. Sure most of us here would know about chrome ff ect but the majority dont nice one EU.
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#137
h3llb3nd4
TripriftThe ppl that will suffer from this the most would be non puter savvy ppl who dont know there is other browsers other than IE. Sure most of us here would know about chrome ff ect but the majority dont nice one EU.
I cant wait to see the EU get sued:P
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#138
Triprift
No no they dont get sued they just sue ms over and over again. Gotta stimulate the European economies somehow. :p
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#139
imperialreign
hatThis is epic bullshit. Even though the IE and WMP haters are jumping for joy, how do you expect to be able to download an alternative browser in the first place?
I stillget the feeling MS is going to use the loophole of stripping WIN7 of IE and WMP . . . but include a second disk in the retail package that has IE8 and WMP11 on it.

There's nothing that says they can't include these applications with retail WIN 7 on a seperate disk . . .
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#140
NympH
twicksistedthey'll have some sort of a downloader built in that gives you the option of installing it i presume...
either that you youll be able to use "windows explorer" to browse http / ftp pages like you currently can
Yeah, it's called windows update.
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#142
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
thraxedI just hope we can buy the euro version in the us
Trade your copy with alexp999.
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#143
Triprift
I think OEM versions wont be stripped back and is were the other browsers are kicking up a stink.
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#144
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
TripriftI think OEM versions wont be stripped back and is were the other browsers are kicking up a stink.
They will be, though just like how OEMs have the freedom to bundle anti-virus software, they will be allowed to pre-install a browser of their choice, including IE8. What this does, is it in turn ends up publicising IE8. Imagine when someone like Dell or HP starts listing "Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player pre-installed" in their brochures.
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#145
Triprift
Some would look at firefox promoting with its world record dls in a day of version 3. Certainly didnt hurt them in that sense that it got them exposure.
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#146
Wile E
Power User
mdm-adphWell, you're free to believe in what you what. :ohwell: Honestly, do you think they're lying? Don't you think that if Futuremark was shady they'd have already taken money from Microsoft, and thus IE would be at the top of their list? :laugh:
No, it's just that synthetic benches aren't always good indicators of real-world performance. I own and operate 2 Macs, and Safari 4 is shit. Even Firefox (without any add-ons) feels faster and more responsive in 99% of all tasks.
mdm-adphNew to the Mac world? :laugh: They do the same to just software, too -- there's no reason why some software should require OSX 10.5, either, but I've found quite a bit that are starting to "require" it.
The only programs that require a certain os version, are those that access specific low-level OS functions. The core of the OS does change in some updates, rendering some programs useless. It's no different than certain programs in Windows losing compatibility with newer versions of the OS.
TheGuruStudThen they have no one to blame but themselves :laugh:
Right, but the entire case against MS was that by them bundling IE and WMP, it provided them an unfair advantage in the browser and media player markets, because people, by and large, didn't really know anything else existed. It wasn't MS's fault that these people are uneducated. These people still had no one to blame but themselves, so why was MS blamed?
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#147
mdm-adph
Wile EThe only programs that require a certain os version, are those that access specific low-level OS functions. The core of the OS does change in some updates, rendering some programs useless. It's no different than certain programs in Windows losing compatibility with newer versions of the OS.
Ah, but that's the thing -- not only do I find MacOS 10.5 a minor update at best, but the kinds of programs I'm finding that are requiring it are ridiculously simple -- I just can't imagine them needing to use hugely specific low-level OS functions, since I'm pretty sure even versions of Photoshop that worked on 10.4 will work fine on 10.5. I'll try and find a few examples.
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#148
zAAm
I'll just keep on using Firefox and VLC/K-lite Media Player Classic then... :p
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#149
Triprift
Im happy enough with IE WMP though thats a different kettle of fish has been gathering dust due to bugger all use.
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#150
Wile E
Power User
mdm-adphAh, but that's the thing -- not only do I find MacOS 10.5 a minor update at best, but the kinds of programs I'm finding that are requiring it are ridiculously simple -- I just can't imagine them needing to use hugely specific low-level OS functions, since I'm pretty sure even versions of Photoshop that worked on 10.4 will work fine on 10.5. I'll try and find a few examples.
No, for the most part, those are the ones that aren't tested to work with newer versions of the OS, not that they can't.

But a few of those older progs that no longer work, but should, used a DRM system that doesn't run on later versions of the OS. A simple patch by the vendor is all it would need. It's the vendor's fault, not Apple's, in those cases.
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