What's wrong with our forum moderator staff?

[DaMulta]

Why do people always have to bitch? This place is cool how it is and has been.

Do we need a I love Dan Fan Club?

And Ashen, why come here and start shit?

[zekrahminator]

Why do people always have to bitch? This place is cool how it is and has been.

Do we need a I love Dan Fan Club?

And Ashen, why come here and start shit?

I agree.

Ashen, I did not put the effort into making you a new account for you to start arguments, fight over the most trivial things, be a walking advertisement for Ashentech, and frequently try to piss off Danthebanjoman.

Shape up or get out. You have your own forums now, if techPowerUp! is not your kind of community, we certainly are not forcing you to stay here.

[Ashen]

but i wub you zekky, and i even like wazzy, his loaded powder keg posts make me laugh :)

i could make banjo jokes but......naaa i will just say watch the movie delivrance :P

[wazzledoozle]

***We went back and forth only a couple of more times.. That was all i was able to retrieve.. He banned me "perma" style..

We dont know the full story. I can see Banjo was irritated with him, but Silent Aces picked the fight. We dont know how it ended... so we dont really know why he was banned.

[Ashen]

well get those pm logs out here then ;)

and i have been there with dan, it dosnt take much for him to go all fucknut and ban u.

and i see it as dan starting it by telling him not to post in this thred anymore but to use pm's insted......that was out of line.

i think if W1zzard wanted this thred to stop being used he would have found the time to lock it by now..........but i got a feeling he knows there are still problems.....just wont fix the biggist one *hears music from delivrance playing*

[Ashen]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=349241&postcount=211

PM/mail these complaints to the authorities, don't put every personal thing out in public.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=349253&postcount=215

A: I didn't say it to discuss it with you.
B: Look at the thread date and combine it with the third word, "recently"

that seems to say to me that if you post dan has warrned you that he will infract you if its something he dosnt like reading......maby thats just me tho?

[GJSNeptune]

Why not just leave the forum if you're so upset about something? You obviously have no control over it. You're also not getting anywhere.

[ATIonion]

We dont know the full story. I can see Banjo was irritated with him, but Silent Aces picked the fight. We dont know how it ended... so we dont really know why he was banned.

Well there in lies the problem.. He banned someone and no mod knows why? And you don't think that is a problem? If you don't know why or haven't seen our pm's, then how can you possibly know if a banning was just? For that matter how could you possibly think i picked the fight?

FTR I picked no fight. He came to me with the first pm that started all of this.. He could have just let it go, but didn't.. You let my comment go.. For whatever reason you did, i think it shows you have more understanding that you don't need to fight every battle.. I respect that.. And in fairness the thread is asking about what is wrong, and i never name called..

I think everyone knows me well enough to know i don't pick fights.. I don't address people in anger.. 9/10 times I stay as neutral as possible.. But like i told Dan, these people are my friends and I am tired of seeing him shitting on them..

I've spoke my mind with Dan.. As far as I am concerned this is done, as nothing said will change anything..

[AshenSugar]

correct nothing will chage because dan is THE uber mod, hes untouchable, and he knows it, he can do anything he likes and hes totaly imune to any form of punishment or even a scolding, as my granny said over and over , power crupts , and absolute power crupts absolutly.

if you need to say something and are afrade to say it here your welcome to come and post on ashentech, wiz has been sent links a few times to show him why people leave tpu and what people really think is wrong.

[Kursah]

I've read Ashen forum threads a time or two for sure, but I've never had issues like some of the distraught users have. For that reason I love TPU, for the most part this place is great and is my preferred place to be. It's kind of interesting that you are advertising to try and lure people over. I wouldn't think a forum such as yours would need to, I mean you guys are pretty decently sized, correct?...no offense by any means, but it's definately a first for me to see. Very interesting, almost seems like a commercial on a forum.

[ATIonion]

It's kind of interesting that you are advertising to try and lure people over. I wouldn't think a forum such as yours would need to, I mean you guys are pretty decently sized, correct?...no offense by any means, but it's definately a first for me to see. Very interesting, almost seems like a commercial on a forum.

Not really advertising..Not trying to Lure either.. Truth is I'm sure if I were to post my pm conversation with Dan here that wouldn't be good.. And more problems could ensue. Not to mention that even tho I feel the way I do about Dan, it wouldn't be right for me to post Dan's private conversation with me on his forum.. On another forum however, i don't see it being a problem..

I hope everyone understands that I love TPU.. TPU is its members.. I really do miss some of the times we had. But unfortunately those days are past.. My problem isn't TPU as a whole, but some individuals... So please don't everyone think I am trying to piss of this community.. I have nothing against you..

:rockout:
The Onion

[AshenSugar]

hey u put what you like in your siggy, we put what we like, i think a text url is far less offencive and destracting then some of the images people use, oh and this wasnt about advertising, it started this time from a thredin genral nonsence that was ment to be HAHA not "oh noez get out the rocket lauchers and tactical nukes" a couple people just took my simi friendly jab at dan(for chasing people away from TPU ) as an attack on tpu, when honestly it wasnt ment that way at all, i just found it very funny that he keeps chasing ppl off and at least some of them endup at ashentech.

this thred part came from the fact that hes the one thing that caused me and many of us to loose alot of respect for TPU and W1z, dan is rude, hes totaly incapable of taking any kind of critisism, and he cant accpet that other people had their own oppenion and that oppenion can be just as valid as his, hell hes banned people for dissagreeing with his OPPEIONS.

blah, and yes we are growing slowly but steadly, things slowly fall into place, my buddy donated webspace and bandwith and his time setting it up, people who like what we are trying to do have donated, slowly things are comming togather, and i think that worries some people, when it shouldnt, i would have TPU on a sidebar link if it wasnt for the forums community issue, and if thats ever cleared up, i will add it if not, well there are enought mentions of tpu on the forums that people can i find the place from AT easy enought :)

[AshenSugar]

Not really advertising..Not trying to Lure either.. Truth is I'm sure if I were to post my pm conversation with Dan here that wouldn't be good.. And more problems could ensue. Not to mention that even tho I feel the way I do about Dan, it wouldn't be right for me to post Dan's private conversation with me on his forum.. On another forum however, i don't see it being a problem..

I hope everyone understands that I love TPU.. TPU is its members.. I really do miss some of the times we had. But unfortunately those days are past.. My problem isn't TPU as a whole, but some individuals... So please don't everyone think I am trying to piss of this community.. I have nothing against you..

:rockout:
The Onion

well said, well said, thats exectly what i ment, its not the members that are the problem, its other......people.......

[DanTheBanjoman]

It seems the Ashentech clan feels like abusing the thanks system and backing up their new brother by insulting me. Enjoy that. However, I do feel I should at least explain the situation to you people. I already see SilentAces posted the conversation on Ashentech, I'm not checking what he removed/added/changed.
Let me just explain, perhaps at least one of you has some brains and gets the point;

Silentaces had a sig jokingly insulting me, a joke is fine, I had no problem there. However he decided to randomly insult me calling me all kinds of things (look up in this thread) so I PMed him that if that's how he feels he shouldn't be making jokes like that about me. He decided to become an extreme smartass, I took this and tried to explain. However he decided to change his sig into something I told him privately, just to mock me. That is why I infracted him.
After that he goes on and says things like "I'll never say sorry, I won't stop" and was acting like some robin hood figure saying things like "nobody stands up to you, but I do" yadda yadda, eventually I got sick of his self righteous bitching and banned him.

And to help you TPU-outcasts/ashentech people out of another dream, I do get questions from W1z when he reads this. I hope that makes you happy. Luckily my actions aren't as outrageous as some people like to claim.

Long story short, if you have such major issues with me, enjoy Ashentech instead of starting fights here.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Oh, and Ashen, read that closed thank you thread of you again and then read what you posted yourself:
http://img.techpowerup.org/070606/ashen.jpg

Listen to yourself mate.

[Ashen]

ah but i was already a member here i didnt make an account just for the sole perpous of making one post bitching about the foums, infact i have posted here more then some of the mods, i have helped alot of people, your holyer then all attatude and inability to take any form of critisisim without going ape shit dosnt help tpu keep members, infact that was why i posed, and will say it again, thanks for sending ashentech new members, :)

[DanTheBanjoman]

That's why you and some others don't like me, you fail to understand the core of what someone is saying and stick to small details. You respond to the part that isn't relevant and therefor think you are right while you missed the whole point. Let me help you:
http://img.techpowerup.org/070606/ashen414.jpg

Understand now?

[tkpenalty]

Just calm down and stop thinking about that stuff... just chill out guys, this is a tech forum to support, not have wars.

[Ashen]

dan, you are NOT tpu, tho your ego may not accept that, W1zzard ownes it but its the other normal members who ARE TPU without them the forums are pointless, and i have respect for alot of people here, dispite the fact that i dont like what you stand for and how you act and treat people, im sure im the next to get the bann stick if you get the chance, i mean after all i wont back down and kiss ur ass when ur out of line.

you dont listen to other peoples point of view, you dont try and see where others are comming from, you just blow it off and tell the world that its point of view dosnt matter only yours does, you just did it with you attempt at condecention, trying to treat me like i dont understand english, sorry m8 but i do, clearly better then you do, because i dont get upset when somebody said "dont mind him, hes in a bad mood" or the like thinking that what hes saying is "dont listen to him" they meanings are quite diffrent, but you would and have assumed that the first is the same as the second.

blah, and TKP im not upset/angery, im just tired of his condecention and piss poor interpersonal relation skills, his "im flawless, my shit dont stick, if u dont agree, perma bann" bullshit.

god dan, i have tryed to be nice to you, for a while i even thought u where a nice guy just a little brusk/rude in how you stated things, but after more experiance with you and seeing i wasnt the only one you tryed to bully and push around because you dont agree with something we say/think, it became very clear, your one gole in life is to surround yourself with people who will kiss ur ass, even other mods here walk on eggshels around you.......you must love that.......

W1z if you read this, Im sorry if you feel im attacking TPU in anyway, thats not the intent, im just tired of seeing how he acts, hes chased off 5 people i tryed to bring here (b4 the blowup) by acting like a twonk, these where good people who came from another community on my sayso and who after running across/into dan left in desscust and pmed me they wouldnt come back here if the mods acted like him.

I use to LOVE tpu, it became my primary hangout online, i injoy helping others its fun and rewarding, and you can alwase learn something new, but over time it got to the point i was acctualy starting to feel that if i stated my openion somebody was going to jump up my ass because he dosnt like amd or he dosnt like my openion, or quite frankly he just dosnt like me, the APK mess just drove a group of us into talking on yim and we desided that since things where so messed up here and nothing was getting done about it(that we could see) we would head off on our own, not out of dissrespect for W1zzard or the bulk of TPU but because we all saw that the problems where not likely to get fixed due to long standing relationships between the primary problem and the host, we where in no way blaming you, i for one have been there W1z i had to fire a long time real life friend as a mod because he was editing posts he didnt agree with, it was very hard and tookme quite a while and seeing large numbers of the player base stop playing or comming to the forums. later he admited, it was best that he was removed because he was out of control, hell he was happy to be out of power after a week, less stress more fun :P

well i know this will endup being taken very wrong by some people, and i know some of it is a little brusk/rude/blunt, but thats what it takes when dealing with somebody whos as willfully dence as the above mentioned bjman.

hopefully this cleared some stuff up, if not i will give a quick recap.

I like most of TPU
Its just a couple people(mostly 1) that causes a lessening of my respect for this place.
I am not attacking TPU i simply am pointing out what me and more then a few others really think but are unwilling to say for fear of reprisal, i nolonger fear it, if he feels the need to remove a critic it just shows that everthing i have said is correct, and that is wholely incapable of taking any level of critisisim, or of seeing how other people could think/feel the way they do(its called empathy)

oh and dan, just because my spelling is shitty at best, dont ASSume im stupid, that would be like me ASSuming your a fool for thinking nutburst was a great core design, or that your a raving arse in real life because of how you act here, when, honestly, you could be nothing like you are online when your in person with somebody.


well all im gonna get some sleep, please relax and dont get to steamed over words on a forum, they are only words, they cant hurt you, they can only serve to inform you of anothers thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, please try and remmber that whenever you read something, or hear somebody say something you may not agree with, if you do and your share that with those you come in conntact with, the world will be a better place for the sharing :)

[tkpenalty]

"Only words" why are you worked up. Ashen... if you have a PROBLEM with Dan, and you only want to solve it by insulting, get OUT. If you are mature, you would suck it up and leave, not insulting members constantly. Oh right now you are going to ban me right? I see. You are the ONLY MEMBER who has two acconts. DO NOT bitch about someone in PUBLIC, do it in PRIVATE. I am getting really sick of guys bitching about the moderators.

Finally, Ashen, Dan is one of the most tolerant people I have seen. He doesn't ban you/report if you insult him like that. When some guy did the same to me... I snapped. He hasnt done anything to you... GET OVER IT.

i personaly would advise anybody thingking of posting anything here to think twice if they have any critisism of danthebanjoman or anything related to him in anyway, ATIonion got banned for not kissing dans arse and for publicly critisising him, i have been thretened by him on my old account many times for the same things, trust me if u want your account just agree with him on all things otherwise he will perma bann you.

People are BANNED for a REASON. If he really did that he WOULD NOT be a TPU MODERATOR. I was banned once for someone flamebaiting and I took it up and didn't make several accounts and start bitching. You should be grateful that TPU mods even let you on this forum again.

[Solaris17]

"Only words" why are you worked up. Ashen... if you have a PROBLEM with Dan, and you only want to solve it by insulting, get OUT. If you are mature, you would suck it up and leave, not insulting members constantly. Oh right now you are going to ban me right? I see. You are the ONLY MEMBER who has two acconts. DO NOT bitch about someone in PUBLIC, do it in PRIVATE. I am getting really sick of guys bitching about the moderators.

Finally, Ashen, Dan is one of the most tolerant people I have seen. He doesn't ban you/report if you insult him like that. When some guy did the same to me... I snapped. He hasnt done anything to you... GET OVER IT.



People are BANNED for a REASON. If he really did that he WOULD NOT be a TPU MODERATOR. I was banned once for someone flamebaiting and I took it up and didn't make several accounts and start bitching. You should be grateful that TPU mods even let you on this forum again.

id have to agree i became moderator through a poll with zek but was first invited by w1zz in a PM after a YEAR of him watchng my threads and telling me that he came to the conclusion i had the skills to be able to defuse a situation we have a guide line to follow and were not just randomely promoted if dan is a super mod thats for a reason we are not random picks we are chosen for our skill and level headedness. and if youd like to challange that search for the threadwere me and acouple others got ALOT of support for the community i also challange anyone who has changed or rather degraded to bashing mods here why do that if you so openly supported us riddle me that.

[pt]

id have to agree i became moderator through a poll with zek but was first invited by w1zz in a PM after a YEAR of him watchng my threads and telling me that he came to the conclusion i had the skills to be able to defuse a situation we have a guide line to follow and were not just randomely promoted if dan is a super mod thats for a reason we are not random picks we are chosen for our skill and level headedness. and if youd like to challange that search for the threadwere me and acouple others got ALOT of support for the community i also challange anyone who has changed or rather degraded to bashing mods here why do that if you so openly supported us riddle me that.

see who's the 2nd person creating a account at tpu ;)

[Solaris17]

see who's the 2nd person creating a account at tpu ;)

dan? oooo well if it is dan then im going to have to let you know that him becoming a mod was no mistake seeing as him and w1zz knew eachother long b4 tpu.

[Pinchy]

Um...fella's:

Please post all your _constructive_ comments here, no fighting/drama. Also ideas how to resolve such conflicts are welcome. I am taking this very seriously.

[tkpenalty]

Yes, making someone a moderator that you know for a long time is a good choice... but sometimes a FATAL mistake Solaris... not that the situation here is bad, with Dan and W1zzard, since the problem is Ashen, he just causes a stir for no apparent reason, really... In the context of justice and morality, he should be banned unless he stops being so crude.




Okay about fatal mistakes... Who has heard of the Ragnarok Online private server called EuphRO? Okay first off... they WERE the most popular RO server ever, for several years EuphRO prospered from the hardworking team, Zellkff (alex) and the admin, Euphorian, (adam), well on the last week before the "meltdown", a woman who was a Sub-Game master hacked the main account and began leaking FALSE info, about drugs, at that time, the server had achieved a massive 3.5k Number of players online (for RO its MASSIVE very rarely do Pservers and Normal servers go over 2k)... anyway, Alex thought Adam was online and he trusted what Adam said, so he ENDORSED what the Admin said, well... when the admin got on his server's team were in panic mode, when Adam found out that Alex had actually worsened it... they both now are mortal enemies, talk to them about this and they'll block you. Before all this crap happened they were friends, they knew each other for a long time...

[GJSNeptune]

Can't stop the virus, but I can sure add it (and friends) to my block list. :toast:

[tkpenalty]

To the banstick I scream. Nah seriously this is getting WAY out of hand...

[~MUFF~MuNcHeR]

It seems the Ashentech clan feels like abusing the thanks system and backing up their new brother by insulting me. Enjoy that. However, I do feel I should at least explain the situation to you people. I already see SilentAces posted the conversation on Ashentech, I'm not checking what he removed/added/changed.
Let me just explain, perhaps at least one of you has some brains and gets the point;

Silentaces had a sig jokingly insulting me, a joke is fine, I had no problem there. However he decided to randomly insult me calling me all kinds of things (look up in this thread) so I PMed him that if that's how he feels he shouldn't be making jokes like that about me. He decided to become an extreme smartass, I took this and tried to explain. However he decided to change his sig into something I told him privately, just to mock me. That is why I infracted him.
After that he goes on and says things like "I'll never say sorry, I won't stop" and was acting like some robin hood figure saying things like "nobody stands up to you, but I do" yadda yadda, eventually I got sick of his self righteous bitching and banned him.

And to help you TPU-outcasts/ashentech people out of another dream, I do get questions from W1z when he reads this. I hope that makes you happy. Luckily my actions aren't as outrageous as some people like to claim.

Long story short, if you have such major issues with me, enjoy Ashentech instead of starting fights here.

PFT, At least I used un-edited quotes from those pm's.. You are yet again twisting things and putting words into peoples mouths just so you look better.. Why not post the pm's?

Why else does this subject keep coming up month after month.. You are pissed b/c I gave my opinion of you in a thread that asks what it wrong.. Jesus man are you that childish that you can't live with that? You statement above is not accurate, you should post all the pm's we had.. Why are you sooo worried for anyone to see them? why?

Im sure i'll be banned under this account yet again..lol.. And I'm sure you will say "I don't have to do anything".. and you won't post our pm's... B/C in them you look like an ass, and that will just prove me right..

I would love to know what Wizzard thinks of our pm's.. Not from you tho Dan, but from Wizzard himself..


Being PERMA banned for no reason
ATIonion
SilentAces

[GJSNeptune]

MuffMuncher? Only if you pay to maybe.

PERMA-ANNOYING FOR NO REASON.

Just leave. Leave us be.

[russianboy]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh the drama!

:p

[Steevo]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4575/dramallama9vu.jpg





I say random bannings for all. The drama nees to end, and this is not a democracy, it is a W1zzocracy, so what he says go's. And if you don't like it. Move on.

[GJSNeptune]

Not really dramatic. Kinda humorous slash pitiful. Don't need to ban anyone but Ashen and his conjoined buddies or whatever, and that's been done.

Come get some ham.

[bigboi86]

Ashen, go back to school and learn grammar and spelling. Then stay off our forums and hopefully with your newfound wisdom you can apply it to your failing forum.

[144 and UP]

This is one of the best forums...............i dont have a lot of input as i am not as good as most of you in computer knowledge, but there is a great deal of fantastic information around these forums, and i am learning from it:)

[pcgolfer85]

I LOVE this forum. I am active everyday and it feeds my unhealthy obsession with computers.

Keep up the good work!

[russianboy]

Banned? good, he was starting to get on my nerves w/ his bitchy-ness.

Lets all gather around and sing the ultimate ban song!

BAN BAN DANS SILVER HAMMER BANSTICK CAME DOWN ON ASHENS HEAD!
BAN BAN DAN MADE SURE THAT HE WAS DEAD!

:p


LOL! He even thanked himself w/ his other account! How pathetic and immature.

[Kreij]

As having both written forum software and run / moderated forums, I believe that are three important factors in keeping a forum under control.

1) The rules must be clear and consice.
They do not have to be draconian, just clear.
This forum has some of the most lax rules I have ever seen on a forum, and much that goes on here would get you banned in a heartbeat on many other forums.

2) Violations to the rules must be dealt with consistantly.
You cannot let the rules slide sometimes, and sometimes hammer people for breaking them.
This leads to pissing matches of one said this and another said that.
If similar violation lead to similar results, the members will know where the line is that they cannot cross.

3) When a violation occurs, the violator must be made aware of exactly what caused the reprimand (or whatever) and that there will be no discussion on it. If the rules are fairly and consistantly applied to all members, there is no need for discussion as the member(s) should know better. If there are set rules and a member is unable to control himself/herself, then it is not the fault of the people moderating the forum.

In my forums, I always insisted that the moderators be polite even if someone was trashing them. This, however, is a call the owner of the forum must make depending on how he/she wants the general tone of the forum to be.

That being said, I find TPU a very enjoyable forum and a rather high-level production killer when I am at work ;)

[Dippyskoodlez]

That being said, I find TPU a very enjoyable forum and a rather high-level production killer when I am at work ;)

Our job is complete!

[bigboi86]

I couldn't have put it in better words myself, Kriej.

[Random Murderer]

Casheti.

[DIBL]

Unsubscribe

[Random Murderer]

Unsubscribe

what?

[russianboy]

TPU would be better if porn was allowed...

Nerdy computer geeks need a high amount of porn.

[Tatty_One]

TPU would be better if porn was allowed...

Nerdy computer geeks need a high amount of porn. Thats not quite true, I am neither nerdy of a geek but I still need it! :rockout:

[PVTCaboose1337]

TPU would be better if porn was allowed...

Nerdy computer geeks need a high amount of porn.

Russianboy, your a minor... calm.

[Dippyskoodlez]

Russianboy, your a minor... calm.

seriously.

I'm sure you're all well aware of how to use google.

[russianboy]

I am.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i just love your forums .. ive migrated from my local forum ..

[zekrahminator]

TPU would be better if porn was allowed...

Nerdy computer geeks need a high amount of porn.

In the words of Dippyskoodlez...

www.google.com :p.

[tkpenalty]

www.google.com

^portal to the world and other worlds

[trt740]

Why is Zek banned hes one of the best people on this forum

[Tatty_One]

Surely not...he is/was a moderator, damn he must have done something really bad to get banned as opposed to just haveing his Moderator rights withdrawn :confused:

[tkpenalty]

mmm....immature posting habits possibly?

[Weer]

I just spoke to him 2 days ago.. maybe it's a joke?

[tkpenalty]

His account has been DISABLED. Apparently. Being honest here, I was going to comment on his constant spamming that he regularly does... It might just be a sick joke however (takes screenshot just in case this thread is deleted)

[pt]

he sent a "bad" pm to someone, now he's banned for a week

[theonetruewill]

he sent a "bad" pm to someone, now he's banned for a week

Oh:rolleyes:- OK thanks for the info. Let's all rib him for being a n00b when he gets back:roll:

[erocker]

God bless Zek. He's a little angel gone astray...

[mello_newf]

he sent a "bad" pm to someone, now he's banned for a week

Must have been a really harsh pm to get him banned... Could it have been to another mod???

[W1zzard]

he has been warned several times and he didn't listen

[pt]

if i kill him, can i get his mod powers? :D

[Tatty_One]

if i kill him, can i get his mod powers? :D

Too late :D

[Sasqui]

he has been warned several times and he didn't listen

Hopefully he comes back the same Zek 'cept for the listening part - I'm in the "I like Zek" club too.

[pt]

Too late :D

:wtf:
you didn't kill him did you?

[JC316]

he has been warned several times and he didn't listen

Just curious, but how had he been warned? Zek seems like a nice guy and never starts fights, in fact, he usually breaks them up. I can't see how the PM's were that bad.

Hell, alot of us, myself included, have stared some pretty big fights and said some bad things and didn't get banned for it. It took death threats for Alec to get the ban stick :eek:.

Anyway, just throwing in a good word for Zek, he is a great addition to the forum and I for one miss him here, especially since Alec is gone and ket is always drunk :toast:.

[trt740]

he has been warned several times and he didn't listen


Wizz hes a super nice guy and very even handed as a MOD. Hope you reconsider your ban but this is your forum and you have always been very fair so it is ultimately up to you. :(

[pt]

Wizz hes a super nice guy and very even handed as a MOD. Hope you reconsider your ban but this is your forum and you have always been very fair so it is ultimately up to you. :(

it's just a week ;)

[Random Murderer]

what's wrong with the forums?
one word:
casheti.

[wazzledoozle]

nvm

[Random Murderer]

Casheti's gone for a long time.

it doesn't say "banned" under his name, and he posted today...

[wazzledoozle]

Oops got him mixed up with Russianboy ;)

[Random Murderer]

Oops got him mixed up with Russianboy ;)

lawl?

[d44ve]

A quick message from Zek :


Hey guys, just wanted to say thank you very much for your support. I understand what I did wrong, and it won't happen again. I can't wait to get back, but don't worry about me. I've got BioShock :)

[Tatty_One]

:wtf:
you didn't kill him did you?

No that stuff is all behind me now, although I have to say, I do sometimes miss the "crack and thump" as a high velocity bullet leaves the breach and enters the targets flesh, but hey thats just me being shallow.

No I meant mod rights.....I think they should be put up for auction meself.

[Random Murderer]

No that stuff is all behind me now, although I have to say, I do sometimes miss the "crack and thump" as a high velocity bullet leaves the breach and enters the targets flesh, but hey thats just me being shallow.

wow, tatty, i just gained a LOT of respect for you, you're one sadistic bastard like me...

[pt]

Oops got him mixed up with Russianboy ;)

where's rb?
i don't remenber he being banned :confused:

[Tatty_One]

wow, tatty, i just gained a LOT of respect for you, you're one sadistic bastard like me...

:laugh: Your bad!

[trt740]

Wizz hes a super nice guy and very even handed as a MOD. Hope you reconsider your ban but this is your forum and you have always been very fair so it is ultimately up to you. :(



Wizz the person who should be banned is Hellas all hes does is cause fights and trouble not Zek for checking him. Thats his job. Zek is usally a peace maker and doesn't start a fight he usually solves them. This is very unfair. Now he will think he has free reign to do whatever he likes.

[pt]

Wizz the person who should be banned is Hellas all hes does is cause fights and trouble not Zek for checking him. Thats his job. Zek is usally a peace maker and doesn't start a fight he usually solves them. This is very unfair. Now he will think he has free reign to do whatever he likes.

and i don't see nor him, nor zek starting fights :confused:

[mello_newf]

i have seen some tension between the two of them. ;)

[d44ve]

Wizz the person who should be banned is Hellas all hes does is cause fights and trouble not Zek for checking him. Thats his job. Zek is usally a peace maker and doesn't start a fight he usually solves them. This is very unfair. Now he will think he has free reign to do whatever he likes.


This situation was a little bit differant..... IM me on MSN or PM me if you dont know what happened this time

[trt740]

This situation was a little bit differant..... IM me on MSN or PM me if you dont know what happened this time


I know what happened and I have had a problem with Hellas as well.

[Thermopylae_480]

Quit gossiping before you create a lynch mob. Zek is a good guy, but he is the only reason he is banned right now, nobody else.

[keakar]

I have recently gotten an increased number of reports from forum members that are unhappy with the way our forums are run.

we need free hotdogs served by bikini babes :toast:

[Wile E]

Quit gossiping before you create a lynch mob. Zek is a good guy, but he is the only reason he is banned right now, nobody else.It's good to hear another mod come in and praise Zek. I agree, he is a good guy. I eagerly await his return.

[trt740]

Quit gossiping before you create a lynch mob. Zek is a good guy, but he is the only reason he is banned right now, nobody else.

Well since I know what happened thats not gossiping. I'm not sure what your talking about gossiping would be if I had the facts wrong. Since I know what happened thats not the case. Would you rather I tell everyone here exactly what happened. That would be more factual. What was done here was handing out punishment to a nice person and letting a person who posts inaccurate facts, starts fights and is a royal pain get away with whatever he wants. This is, however my last comment on this matter whatever Zek said was most likely the truth.

[DanTheBanjoman]

It's good to hear another mod come in and praise Zek. I agree, he is a good guy. I eagerly await his return.

The issue isn't him being a good guy or not. In fact, there is no issue that concerns any member. Like I say every time, moderation isn't a public discussion. People who feel threated unfairly can contact a mod about it, starting threads about it or polluting another thread isn't the way to go.
Zek got a warning, he apparently understands, issue closed.

[trt740]

The issue isn't him being a good guy or not. In fact, there is no issue that concerns any member. Like I say every time, moderation isn't a public discussion. People who feel threated unfairly can contact a mod about it, starting threads about it or polluting another thread isn't the way to go.
Zek got a warning, he apparently understands, issue closed.

Hey Dan thats what this thread is for. I didn't start a thread WIZZ did and it is ment for discussion of problems going on this forum. I know you don't like this thread because unlike Zek (Who never gets a compaint and is like by just about everyone)( (there are numerous compaints about you on this thread ) not by me I might add)That being said I have no problem with you but keep your bias to yourself. This thread is to address problems with this forum and this is a issue on this forum unfair punishment. The people who should get banned don't. Also as a side note Zek has punished me in the past and he was right and fair in his punishment his punishment is not and takes away from this forum. Why would you say the discussion is closed when this thread is all about discussing problems on this forum. You banned the best moderator on the forum whats that say for this forum and it certainly takes away from techpower up. I know I said it was my last comment but most moderators here would love this thread closed and Dan is one of them. Thanks to Wizzard, who is generally very fair, we have a place to voice these concerns.

[J-Man]

I'd like some kind of post ranking xD

[DanTheBanjoman]

Hey Dan that what this thread is for. I didn't start a thread WIZZ did and it is ment for discussion of problem going on this forum. I know you don't like this thread because unlike Zek (not by me I might add) (there are numerous compaints about you on this thread ) That being said I have no problem with you but keep your bias to yourself.

Nope, this thread isn't to complain about a single person or incidents. It's to publicly discuss structural problems and global issues. And I don't dislike this thread either, even though many people seem to fail to grasp the above point.

[trt740]

Nope, this thread isn't to complain about a single person or incidents. It's to publicly discuss structural problems and global issues. And I don't dislike this thread either, even though many people seem to fail to grasp the above point.

no Dan I think your missing the point.

[DanTheBanjoman]

no Dan I think your missing the point.

What is the point then?

[trt740]

Hey Dan that what this thread is for. I didn't start a thread WIZZ did and it is ment for discussion of problems going on this forum. I know you don't like this thread because unlike Zek (Who never gets a compaint and is like by just about everyone)( (there are numerous compaints about you on this thread ) not by me I might add)That being said I have no problem with you but keep your bias to yourself. This thread is to address problems with this forum and this is a issue on this forum unfair punishment. The people who should get banned don't. Also as a side note Zek has punished me in the past and he was right and fair in his punishment his punishment is not and takes away from this forum. Why would you say the discussion is closed when this thread is all about discussing problems on this forum. You banned the best moderator on the forum whats that say for this forum and it certainly takes away from techpower up. I know I said it was my last comment but most moderators here would love this thread closed and Dan is one of them. Thanks to Wizzard, who is generally very fair, we have a place to voice these concerns.

here is my point

[LiNKiN]

Please be careful, both of you! ;)

[trt740]

Please be careful, both of you! ;)


This is intended to be civil and will remain so as far as I'm concerned.

[LiNKiN]

This is intended to be civil and will remain so as far as I'm concerned.

That's how it usually starts....:roll: Just don't wanna see anyone else get a vacation. They always seem to come in twosies or threesomes. :toast:

[Urlyin]

For what it's worth I was the one who gave Zek the infraction that lead to his brief vacation not W1zz... it's an internal issue that doesn't need to be made into a big issue. He understands what it is for and I'm sure it's been passed around via PM... it's good for him to get away for a bit ... :toast:

[DanTheBanjoman]

[/SIZE]

here is my point

First of all, you edited your post and added that point, of course I missed it. Besides that, you missed mine. A single person getting a ban is an incident, it's not something structurally wrong with the forums.
As an ex law enforcer you must understand that we aren't waiting for a big drama every time we ban someone who is liked by some members. Zek crossed a line, he got punished, there is no way any member has anything to do with this issue.

[trt740]

For what it's worth I was the one who gave Zek the infraction that lead to his brief vacation not W1zz... it's an internal issue that doesn't need to be made into a big issue. He understands what it is for and I'm sure it's been passed around via PM... it's good for him to get away for a bit ... :toast:


Now your a good guy and fair I know that for a fact. I understand still banning him is a mistake but it's your call I will submit to your judgement.

[trt740]

First of all, you edited your post and added that point, of course I missed it. Besides that, you missed mine. A single person getting a ban is an incident, it's not something structurally wrong with the forums.
As an ex law enforcer you must understand that we aren't waiting for a big drama every time we ban someone who is liked by some members. Zek crossed a line, he got punished, there is no way any member has anything to do with this issue.


Dan I don't agree, but thats it for me, you have never been unkind or unfair to me, and we will agree to disagree. Also a a ex- law enforcement person sometimes it comes down to the character of the person when you hand out punishment.

[DanTheBanjoman]

trt740,

Do you know the full reason why Zek got a temp ban? (it's only a week) It's internal affairs, there are some minor incidents prior to the current which led to this. (I will not get into this either, like I said this has nothing to do with any member)

You don't have to agree with me either, just respect the fact that we (the staff) don't need a big drama about every ban or infraction. This wouldn't be the first time a group of members feels like they have a say in things and spam the forums about it. I believe you've been here long enough to see these things happen.

[Namslas90]

By the time you all get done "Discussing" this, Zek's ban will be over...LOL :toast:

[effmaster]

Lets back on topic here guys?


Anywho I can think of a few things that would make the forums better.

I am a moderator for this website:http://gamestrategy.org/home.php and my username there is ef29

and if you look in the forums you will see that we have a pretty neat voting system built in I wouldnt mind having something like that here and the fact that we are allowed to create them ourselves makes them even better.

Also it would be nice to have some type of leaderboard for most posts, most thanks, most times thanked, etc.

[tigger]

just had a look,it looks ok,but maybe you need to screen the spam out a bit better.

http://gamestrategy.org/showthread.php?t=1178

[Sasqui]

just had a look,it looks ok,but maybe you need to screen the spam out a bit better.

http://gamestrategy.org/showthread.php?t=1178

OUCH! :roll:

[d44ve]

I think there are a lot of people concerned with post counts or a ranking system.... I think we should worry more about what we can do to make the site itself better, rather than worry about who posts more than the other.

just my 2 cents

[effmaster]

just had a look,it looks ok,but maybe you need to screen the spam out a bit better.

http://gamestrategy.org/showthread.php?t=1178

:twitch::twitch::twitch::twitch:You bastard how could I not see that?
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead:

I have to find my password that I had on that website somewhere in my room it just expired and now I cant find it since it always logged me in automatically lol I will see to this but my point was that you should look at our voting system.
A similar idea would look great on TPU:D:D:D

[POGE]

The thing thats wrong with our forums is that I wasn't active. But thats going to change. :D

[pt]

The thing thats wrong with our forums is that I wasn't active. But thats going to change. :D

game addcit :p
just abolish the post count

[DanTheBanjoman]

Also it would be nice to have some type of leaderboard for most posts, most thanks, most times thanked, etc.

That would spawn more postwhores, people will abuse those systems. The thanks system here already gets abused by several people.

[effmaster]

That would spawn more postwhores, people will abuse those systems. The thanks system here already gets abused by several people.

Good point:laugh::laugh::laugh:

But I would think it would be rather easy for the mods to control this would be epidemic considering how easy it is to delete or modify a post

[d44ve]

That would spawn more postwhores, people will abuse those systems. The thanks system here already gets abused by several people.


Exactly

[pt]

just abolish the post count

;)

[d44ve]

I think there are a lot of people concerned with post counts or a ranking system.... I think we should worry more about what we can do to make the site itself better, rather than worry about who posts more than the other.

just my 2 cents

back at cha ;)

[effmaster]

back at cha ;)

I guess I can see why it won't work;););)

But I still think the voting system would be a great addition to the website

[DanTheBanjoman]

Good point:laugh::laugh::laugh:

But I would think it would be rather easy for the mods to control this would be epidemic considering how easy it is to delete or modify a post

Your forum:
Threads: 476, Posts: 5,159

This one:
Threads: 36,589, Posts: 449,139

Besides, you currently have 5 members logged on, which includes me. Trust me, your comparison is flawed.

[effmaster]

Your forum:
Threads: 476, Posts: 5,159

This one:
Threads: 36,589, Posts: 449,139

Besides, you currently have 5 members logged on, which includes me. Trust me, your comparison is flawed.

Thats a little harsh wouldn't you think?


and I won't be able to do aything about that tigger69 till I get home from college right now I will have to search my whole room for that dam password since I can't even put in a new account due to my email addresses being the same:roll::roll: This man (ME)needs a chill pill and needs to fix this asap

[DanTheBanjoman]

Thats a little harsh wouldn't you think?

Nope, just pointing out that your forum is countless times smaller, tracking everything on a bigger forum isn't as easy as it sounds.

[effmaster]

Nope, just pointing out that your forum is countless times smaller, tracking everything on a bigger forum isn't as easy as it sounds.

But you gotta remember we only have about 5 moderators versus how many do you guys have here again?:roll::roll:

[DanTheBanjoman]

But you gotta remember we only have about 5 moderators versus how many do you guys have here again?:roll::roll:

So you have roughly 1 mod per 100 threads. We have 5 supermods and like 10-15 regular mods. Lets assume a total of 20 mods, that's about 1829 threads per mod currently. Not all mods are active either.

[effmaster]

Not all mods are active either.

Ok I agree with the statistics you just stated just to make it simple.

But I gotta say though our mods arent active either.
pm me if you wanna continue this discussion dan lol:laugh::laugh:

[keakar]

the only people who care about the damn post count are the ones who need to justify their status.

what does a high post count say? it only says this person has a lot of free time and is posting a lot or he is a long time member and has gained a good post count over time.

both of these are irrelevent to weather the person has ever helped anyone with their advice.

delete all post counts period, they are a waste of resources and mean nothing.

the date of membership shows how long you have been a member and also indicates how long you have been helping people. a long time member should get a little more respect and credit for his knowledge since he has been around for a while. this is all the recognition that anyone should need.

this means no post whoring will gain you anything and the same resources not used to record and show individual members post counts can be used to track spamers who can be flagged due to higher post counts than average.

[DanTheBanjoman]

That's why postcount in general nonsense got turned off keakar. Registration date doesn't mean much either. I think making useful posts is the main way to get status, people will notice it eventually.
However you shouldn't be here to gain some status, you should be here to enrich yourself and others, share knowledge. There are plenty of things you know that I don't know and vice versa. We can learn from each other. And the more people contribute to that, the more knowledge is to be gained.

[effmaster]

That's why postcount in general nonsense got turned off keakar. Registration date doesn't mean much either. I think making useful posts is the main way to get status, people will notice it eventually.
However you shouldn't be here to gain some status, you should be here to enrich yourself and others, share knowledge. There are plenty of things you know that I don't know and vice versa. We can learn from each other. And the more people contribute to that, the more knowledge is to be gained.

Well said :pimp::pimp::pimp:

I try to learn at least 1 new thing a day at TPU (if not once a week).

[keakar]

That's why postcount in general nonsense got turned off keakar. Registration date doesn't mean much either. I think making useful posts is the main way to get status, people will notice it eventually.
However you shouldn't be here to gain some status, you should be here to enrich yourself and others, share knowledge. There are plenty of things you know that I don't know and vice versa. We can learn from each other. And the more people contribute to that, the more knowledge is to be gained.

well i have to agree join date means very little, even though i was thinking the join date would show you have a commitment to this site and your not a "drive by poster" like some people who come to get answers to solve their problem but never come back to try and help others. it still doesnt mean that you actually contributed anything.

i think the thanked count best shows how helpfull you have been weather it was just usefull advice or you actually solved a problem. it is the only accurate indicator of weather or not you actually contributed anything. we would just have to encourage members to thank those who helped or offered usefull advice.

i help people to help people, i dont give a flying monkey about scoring or keeping track lol.

[d44ve]

Basically.... no matter what system you have in place for that, there will always be people out there that try and skew the results. Nothing will be perfect and there will never be something that everyone agree's on.

I think what we have now works (ok)... there really isnt any need to change it or add anything to it. There will always be flaws, but at least we know what we have now and are not creating more problems.

[keakar]

Basically.... no matter what system you have in place for that, there will always be people out there that try and skew the results. Nothing will be perfect and there will never be something that everyone agree's on.

I think what we have now works (ok)... there really isnt any need to change it or add anything to it. There will always be flaws, but at least we know what we have now and are not creating more problems.

i agree with everything you just said but would still like to see the post count discontinued for all forums so those resources can be used somewhere else. this site doesnt need anything added to it.

[d44ve]

i agree with everything you just said but would still like to see the post count discontinued for all forums so those resources can be used somewhere else. this site doesnt need anything added to it.


I agree with you on that.... however, I think if we did that, it would cause more trouble than good.

Think about how many people would complain versus how many complain about it now?

[Wile E]

The issue isn't him being a good guy or not. In fact, there is no issue that concerns any member. Like I say every time, moderation isn't a public discussion. People who feel threated unfairly can contact a mod about it, starting threads about it or polluting another thread isn't the way to go.
Zek got a warning, he apparently understands, issue closed.I wasn't directly commenting on the issue Dan. I was just agreeing that Zek is a good guy, and it was nice hearing a staff member saying it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Cuzza]

Here's a suggestion, I would prefer that when clicking on a thread link in the "new posts" box at the top of the main forums page it took you to the last page of that thread, rather than the first. just mho.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Here's a suggestion, I would prefer that when clicking on a thread link in the "new posts" box at the top of the main forums page it took you to the last page of that thread, rather than the first. just mho.

Wrong thread mate :) Good suggestion though.

[keakar]

I agree with you on that.... however, I think if we did that, it would cause more trouble than good.

Think about how many people would complain versus how many complain about it now?

i dont see how they can justify the complaints? yes a few would have a fit at first, but when asked why they need it they cannot come up with any good answer as to why they need it.

this site is devoting resources to collect and record data on post counts for all members and this practice has proved to be problematic and controversial so if the site decides to eliminate this data from the published members info i dont see why they need the aproval of the members to do it. there will allways be some who complain.

a post count has but only one purpose, that is to allow someone to brag about theirs being higher than the next guy. thats all it is good for. joe bloe can post a thousand BS posts and never contribute anything usefull to this site so why is his post count needed?

there really is no reason at all for a post count and i ask if you could give us one good reason a post count is "needed" not just wanted so someone can brag lol.

elliminate the post count and there is no more issue of post whoreing to get high post count.

[Tatty_One]

IMO a first step in the right direction would be to introduce a little more consistency in the handling of complaints, as in flaming wars, insults etc etc. I would suggest a senior moderator and perhaps two standard moderators handle specifically all these complaints and where appropriate deal and hand out punishments with at least two of the three having to agree on a fair and proper resolution, that way we get some consistency in punishments. The way I see it is that there can be HUGE differences in punishments dependant on who the Mod is, who the complainant is and who the person doing the wrong is......I am all for appropriate punishments for appropriate wrongs but I have seen far too many times inconsistencies in the handling of these, that in most cases this breeds far more bad feeling the the origional wrong doing and usually actually escalates the issue.

[JC316]

I like post counts because it shows that the person has been around a while and they have experience. Since the General Nonsense area doesn't count, you HAVE to be posting half way decent information, otherwise, you will be banned for spamming, or banned for posting HORRIBLE info like RPG did.

It also allows me to see that someone has been active in the forums, so if I want to buy something from them, I know that they are around.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Tatty, read the guidelines, it states who to contact when there is a problem. Nobody follows these lines.

JC, postcount doesn't show "experience", there are plenty of people with more posts than I do, in fact some of them have an insane ppd count. Most of them are just postwhores with no outstanding knowledge or anything. I'm not saying that they don't know anything, but most of them don't stand out.
Also there are some with plenty of posts that ask mostly trivial questions.
Luckily there are also plenty of people who do have some good input :)

Point is, postcount doesn't say a thing.

[keakar]

I like post counts because it shows that the person has been around a while and they have experience. Since the General Nonsense area doesn't count, you HAVE to be posting half way decent information, otherwise, you will be banned for spamming, or banned for posting HORRIBLE info like RPG did.

It also allows me to see that someone has been active in the forums, so if I want to buy something from them, I know that they are around.

you make a good point here but dont you get the very same info from:

join date - tells you how long they have been around

thanked and been thanked count - tells you how many times they actually were helpful

the heatware and paypal - tell you if the person can be worthy of trusting, any person can be very helpfull but still be a crook and rip you off at the same time.

[JC316]

JC, postcount doesn't show "experience", there are plenty of people with more posts than I do, in fact some of them have an insane ppd count. Most of them are just postwhores with no outstanding knowledge or anything. I'm not saying that they don't know anything, but most of them don't stand out.
Also there are some with plenty of posts that ask mostly trivial questions.
Luckily there are also plenty of people who do have some good input :)

Point is, postcount doesn't say a thing.

You are probably right, but alot of people just look at the post count and thats it, rather than the information that the poster is giving.

[tkpenalty]

Tatty, read the guidelines, it states who to contact when there is a problem. Nobody follows these lines.

JC, postcount doesn't show "experience", there are plenty of people with more posts than I do, in fact some of them have an insane ppd count. Most of them are just postwhores with no outstanding knowledge or anything. I'm not saying that they don't know anything, but most of them don't stand out.
Also there are some with plenty of posts that ask mostly trivial questions.
Luckily there are also plenty of people who do have some good input :)

Point is, postcount doesn't say a thing.

I cant keep agreeing with that. Some people are just plain post whores and do not usually post information that is useful, instead comments such as:

HAHAHA

You agree right?

[keakar]

You are probably right, but alot of people just look at the post count and thats it, rather than the information that the poster is giving.

but if a post count is not there to look at then they must look at the thanked count which is a more accurate indicator of being helpfull. after 2 or 3 days nobody would miss it but the post whores.

if someone tells you something but has a very low thanked count then you dont want to put as much faith in their opinion no matter how high a post count might be. i dont mean to say not listen to his advice, they might have the correct solution for you, but it gives you an idea how accurate that advice might be before you say reformat or something.

[Wile E]

I actually agree that the post count is unnecessary. I mean, sure, I have a high ppd, but I don't post because I want it higher. I post to try and help, or to just be a part of the community. I couldn't care less if they abolished it.

[DanTheBanjoman]

The thank count is just as much abused, again by the same postwhores. I think it's more effective to think of a way to take care of those people rather than to try to differentiate the helpful users.

[Wile E]

The thank count is just as much abused, again by the same postwhores. I think it's more effective to think of a way to take care of those people rather than to try to differentiate the helpful users.
How or what could be done in that respect?

(And I hope I'm not considered to be one of the problem users. lol)

[DanTheBanjoman]

If I knew I would have made it happen already. Ideas are always welcome.

[pt]

You are probably right, but alot of people just look at the post count and thats it, rather than the information that the poster is giving.

if there's no post count anymore no one will look at it
just abolish it already!

[Tatty_One]

Tatty, read the guidelines, it states who to contact when there is a problem. Nobody follows these lines.

JC, postcount doesn't show "experience", there are plenty of people with more posts than I do, in fact some of them have an insane ppd count. Most of them are just postwhores with no outstanding knowledge or anything. I'm not saying that they don't know anything, but most of them don't stand out.
Also there are some with plenty of posts that ask mostly trivial questions.
Luckily there are also plenty of people who do have some good input :)

Point is, postcount doesn't say a thing.

Fair point, I didnt realise that, no point in introducing something if you already know that noone will follow the procedures already I suppose.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Fair point, I didnt realise that, no point in introducing something if you already know that noone will follow the procedures already I suppose.

The irony is that we called them "guidelines" so people wouldn't feel there are many rules and complain about that. We're being held captive by our own freedom.

[Cuzza]

Wrong thread mate :) Good suggestion though.

Hmmm I should have actually read more of the thread. Sorry about that. It doesn't quite fit with the current topic of discussion does it?

Well since I'm here I may as well say that, as a relatively new user around here, I like the post count and find it useful. However, as you get to know people it probably has less and less meaning. I'm at the point now where I probably wouldn't miss it.

And now I read that the General Nonsense section doesn't count towards it. I didn't know that. I did think I'd made more than 87 posts! You learn something everyday.

Thanks for noting my suggestion, Dan.

[Sasqui]

The irony is that we called them "guidelines" so people wouldn't feel there are many rules and complain about that. We're being held captive by our own freedom.

And that is why I keep coming back to this site... it isn't autocratic. People will always push boundaries and that's a good thing - but checks must be in place or it'd be pure mayhem. Some instances aside, I think you guys are doing a great job.

[-=l32andon=-]

Hi everyone. I just want to say that this forum is just AWESOME!!! Very busy and lots of interesting people here.:toast:

[Tatty_One]

Hi everyone. I just want to say that is forum is just AWESOME!!! Very busy and lots of interesting people here.:toast:

Agreed, I think thats is well reflected in the growth of the membership since I become a regular user in January 2006, I would guess that few other forums including the really BIG ones could match the grorth, certainly in percentage terms overall.

[HellasVagabond]

Bottom line is that IF the postcount wouldnt matter and IF the thankscount wouldnt matter either what would change ? Nothing is my guess....On the other hand everyone is equal as it is so why bother changing it in the first place ?

[keakar]

The thank count is just as much abused, again by the same postwhores. I think it's more effective to think of a way to take care of those people rather than to try to differentiate the helpful users.

well it could be helped a little if the thanks option was limited to the thread author only.

not a perfect solution but would be helpfull to control excess use.

it would be easier to monitor and correct any attemps to manipulate it by way of moderators taking credit away.

[keakar]

Bottom line is that IF the postcount wouldnt matter and IF the thankscount wouldnt matter either what would change ? Nothing is my guess....On the other hand everyone is equal as it is so why bother changing it in the first place ?

there are too many people bitchin n moanin about inaccurate post counts and complaining is getting too much

[keakar]

this site is far and above any of those other so called sites that have few people who know anything and you might get a response from.

the people here give good high quality advice and help. the monitors do a great job of policing without being big brother about it and above all else the spam is at a minimum.


i still think you should delete the post counts alltogether but if it is decided not to then just remove it from our tags so you have to look at the posters profile to see the post count.

you know the old saying, out of site out of mind

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Well i can tell you whats the matter .. too much member intolerance for "clans"

If i have a core 2 duo sig im automatically branded and responses get colored, esp if im in a thread about the "competitor"

[DanTheBanjoman]

_FBi;466131']Well i can tell you whats the matter .. too much member intolerance for "clans"

If i have a core 2 duo sig im automatically branded and responses get colored, esp if im in a thread about the "competitor"

Yes, but that's because C2D sucks :P

[keakar]

_FBi;466131']Well i can tell you whats the matter .. too much member intolerance for "clans"

If i have a core 2 duo sig im automatically branded and responses get colored, esp if im in a thread about the "competitor"

if it bothers you then remove the controversial sig. going to an amd thread with that sig is in some members minds as asking for a response to it so that explains those situations but there are those who have no manners at all and you cant change free speech ability.

there will always be those who are rude and out of line, ford vs chevy, or amd vs intel.

but in the end why should you even care what they say? i rofl when i see them saying that stuff because most of them are full of bunk and dont even know what they are talking about.

[Polaris573]

Yes, but that's because C2D sucks :P

Xeon all the way right Dan! :laugh:

[HellasVagabond]

IRA pass me your sig so i can have DAN telling me that C2D sucks :P

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

IRA pass me your sig so i can have DAN telling me that C2D sucks :P


http://forums.techpowerup.com/image.php?u=3211&type=sigpic&dateline=1176914248

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

if it bothers you then remove the controversial sig. going to an amd thread with that sig is in some members minds as asking for a response to it so that explains those situations but there are those who have no manners at all and you cant change free speech ability.

there will always be those who are rude and out of line, ford vs chevy, or amd vs intel.

but in the end why should you even care what they say? i rofl when i see them saying that stuff because most of them are full of bunk and dont even know what they are talking about.

im not saying this pwns that or whatever ... i just saying i own a c2d ... but if i dont have that freedom anymore ...

[pt]

Yes, but that's because C2D sucks :P

that got a spot in my sig :D

[cdawall]

Bottom line is that IF the postcount wouldnt matter and IF the thankscount wouldnt matter either what would change ? Nothing is my guess....On the other hand everyone is equal as it is so why bother changing it in the first place ?

there is no point i am sure im one of the "postwhores" dan is talking bout but i still post relevant info just cause i post random BS doesnt mean i dont help and the thanks is not as insanly abused as the postcounts have become most ppl still thank when it is deserved not cause they want too

[keakar]

i would much prefer we call these members "excessive posters" and not "postwhores'" because the use of that word can be demeaning and implies they are doing something wrong which they are not.

some people love to talk on the phone and some love to post but as long as it is nothing out of line there is no harm in members making comments on things even if they cant help with the problem.

lets not label people just because they love to post, after all its cheaper than texting lol.

[HellasVagabond]

We should stop discussing issues like the post counter or the thanks counter and talk about more urgent and serious matters such as the Infractions which lately have been given to many people including myself without provocation just because someone may have something against someone. My view of this is that infractions should be given in very urgent situations and not easily.

[pt]

We should stop discussing issues like the post counter or the thanks counter and talk about more urgent and serious matters such as the Infractions which lately have been given to many people including myself without provocation just because someone may have something against someone. My view of this is that infractions should be given in very urgent situations and not easily.

who cares about minor infractions?
you can't see mine, i can't see yours

[HellasVagabond]

It matters to me when people give new definition to words thus giving infractions based on that. Infractions where stopped for the same reason for a period of time and from what i see the same thing is happening over and over. There must be a common line when giving an infraction and even so an warning in pm prior to the infraction should be given. They shouldnt be passed so easily.

[Solaris17]

It matters to me when people give new definition to words thus giving infractions based on that. Infractions where stopped for the same reason for a period of time and from what i see the same thing is happening over and over. There must be a common line when giving an infraction and even so an warning in pm prior to the infraction should be given. They shouldnt be passed so easily.



um no offense but i seriously hope you arent basing that off of personal experience.

[HellasVagabond]

We find wrongs in everything through personnal experience so why is that a bad thing ?
If you think that the infractions system is flawless feel free to say so.

[theonetruewill]

I like the post count just for similar reasons to JC; sure I know it doesn't give a complete assurance of someone's reliability- but I like to know I'm buying from someone who is regularly around. For example I trusted the people with extremely high post counts when i first asked here for information and it was correct. I know that this is a tad stupid in some respects, but if I was a first poster; I am not going to trust the guy with 3 posts compared to the guy with 8 Stars and a join date of 2005. Call me an idiot if you like but I'm trying to think of and like the new posters here. They prefer to trust someone who posts regularly and joined a while ago. I think the Thanks system is awesome as it really added to this idea with a tad more reliability- although there are many abuses of this button and many simply refuse to use it- which is a shame.

[keakar]

It matters to me when people give new definition to words thus giving infractions based on that. Infractions where stopped for the same reason for a period of time and from what i see the same thing is happening over and over. There must be a common line when giving an infraction and even so an warning in pm prior to the infraction should be given. They shouldnt be passed so easily.

if you have at least 2 moderators to agree before giving an infraction then that should avoid kneejerk reactions and moody moderators having a bad day.

i also agree that there should not be infractions given unless a pm did not resolve the issue.

it should be the first step in any intervention. there are times however when immediate action is required so we must not limit a moderators power to take action.

[tkpenalty]

I have to say, changing the topic, theres been a lot of immature spam going on thats ruining it for people. Example, RV670 page. Yeah yeah, its GREAT, I am excited too, but I really hate it when people start having a fanboy war over each other, then ignore the moderators and get the thread locked. Do these people get warned or not? Members such as weer balantly ignore the warnings I assume recieved from a moderator.

Back to the topic we were on, I'd prefer another solution, each member be able to be tagged. What this means is that the user will show up in the moderator "tag list", so this means problematic users's posts can be tagged and moderators and administrators can decide on it. This tagging does not refresh the page, and thus the moderator ONLY needs to click on it.

So when he goes back to the cp, he can see what he tagged. The other moderators also can see the same. I'd use this layout:

===Tagged Users===

Tkpenalty > <tagged posts are listed here>
User0000000001 > <tagged posts are listed here>



You get the diagram right?
So yeah, it should speed up reaction time to certain issues as well as leave a matter for another moderator in another daylight zone.

[Sasqui]

OK, I'm perplexed. I was reading the thread here:

ATI RV670 (HD 2950) Pictured

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=40307

I can understand action on the mods part, but closing the thread seems frustrating. Could have been hendled better. For the moderators, it goes back to damned if you do or if you don't.

I guess the chioces there were to:

1) Close the thread
2) Edit the postings (not good, 'cept certain situations)

Now how about a third option...

1) Warn, then ban the offenders from the particular thread. Don't close it, don't ban them from the other threads. A certain "limbo" ban. I assume the site framework supports that.

I wanted to post a reply and couldn't - something on-topic. I'm punished by a mod's actions.

$0.02

[wazzledoozle]

I have to say, changing the topic, theres been a lot of immature spam going on thats ruining it for people. Example, RV670 page. Yeah yeah, its GREAT, I am excited too, but I really hate it when people start having a fanboy war over each other, then ignore the moderators and get the thread locked. Do these people get warned or not? Members such as weer balantly ignore the warnings I assume recieved from a moderator.

Back to the topic we were on, I'd prefer another solution, each member be able to be tagged. What this means is that the user will show up in the moderator "tag list", so this means problematic users's posts can be tagged and moderators and administrators can decide on it. This tagging does not refresh the page, and thus the moderator ONLY needs to click on it.

So when he goes back to the cp, he can see what he tagged. The other moderators also can see the same. I'd use this layout:



You get the diagram right?
So yeah, it should speed up reaction time to certain issues as well as leave a matter for another moderator in another daylight zone.

The report post system already works like that, all reported posts and infractions go into a subforum which moderators watch for activity.

[Thermopylae_480]

OK, I'm perplexed. I was reading the thread here:

ATI RV670 (HD 2950) Pictured

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=40307

I can understand action on the mods part, but closing the thread seems frustrating. Could have been hendled better. For the moderators, it goes back to damned if you do or if you don't.

I guess the chioces there were to:

1) Close the thread
2) Edit the postings (not good, 'cept certain situations)

Now how about a third option...

1) Warn, then ban the offenders from the particular thread. Don't close it, don't ban them from the other threads. A certain "limbo" ban. I assume the site framework supports that.

I wanted to post a reply and couldn't - something on-topic. I'm punished by a mod's actions.

$0.02

Warnings and infractions didn't work, so it was closed. Why do people assume the most obvious occurrence was the only step taken?

[Thermopylae_480]

Just for everyone complaining about excessive infractions, this week, out of the approximately 4137 members that have signed on there have been eight infractions, and that is a heavy week. There have been 1,000s of posts and hundreds of threads. I don't see any excessive problems. None of you can see how many infractions are given, or why? Why do people assume there is some huge problem?

[Sasqui]

Warnings and infractions didn't work, so it was closed. Why do people assume the most obvious occurrence was the only step taken?

Thanks for replying - I don't know what is happening behind the scenes. My suggestion was to punish the offenders rather than the innocent, is there a way to do that without closing a thread or banning someone outright? I know you guys put a lot of time/energy into this place.

[keakar]

Warnings and infractions didn't work, so it was closed. Why do people assume the most obvious occurrence was the only step taken?

what i have observed in reading the threads talking about this subject that it is not often mentioned by the moderators that "joe bob" had 3 warnings before he was banned. instead moderators say things like "he knew the rules and chose to ignore them" or "he was warned but didnt listen". now someone not knowing about the warnings thinks there were none.

i think it is because it is just assumed if you dont say he got a pm warning they dont think it was done so when it comes to having to ban them it is thought the banning was the first action taken.

what i suggest would be a tag on the banned members name by the post count would be something like this:

joe bob
banned for 24hrs for spaming
warnings recieved 3 and 1 pm
post count 299
thanks 19
thanked 41 times in 95 posts

this could reduce the questioning of moderators about things as well.

[Thermopylae_480]

I would like to say, that I am going to be particularly harsh in the news section for awhile, because it has the most bashing of member, fanboy behavior, post spamming, and generally poor behavior of any "real" section of the forum. If you want to go goof off and make random posts, their is a general nonsense section where that sort of behavior is acceptable.

The news section is generally out of control, and is generally the section that seems to get the most users complaints.

Fair warning to all. If you feel the need to act improperly don't

Before you go screaming about how unfair I am for that, I guarantee you it will be handled in the most fair manner possible. You will receive adequate warning, and if you fail to follow that than you will garner the results, by nobody's fault but your own.

I would like to remind you there is a report post button for everyone to use in lieu of exacerbating already inflamed situations. Wouldn't you rather see an evil, harsh moderator take care of a problem than getting in trouble your self?

[Thermopylae_480]

what i have observed in reading the threads talking about this subject that it is not often mentioned by the moderators that "joe bob" had 3 warnings before he was banned. instead moderators say things like "he knew the rules and chose to ignore them" or "he was warned but didnt listen". now someone not knowing about the warnings thinks there were none.

i think it it because it is just assumed if you dont say he got a pm warning they dont think it was done so when it comes to having to ban them it is thought the banning was the first action taken.

what i suggest would be a tag on the banned members name by the post count would be something like this:

joe bob
banned for spaming
warnings recieved 3 and 1 pm
post count 299
thanks 19
thanked 41 times in 95 posts

this could reduce the questioning of moderators about things as well.

Why is it so important to know who got in trouble? We have established guidelines we usually follow. We don't sit by and ignore the reported posts. What is so untrustworthy about us that you think we don't do our jobs?

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

its not about being untrustworthy ... its about transparency and being able to see a situation progress so no-one has to ask questions.

[sneekypeet]

what if the issue is a mod who is obviously try to FLAIM BAIT, and there is obviously nothing done about the fact because mods are "gods " here?

I flagged the post , nothing was done...Sent PM to W1z ,no responce!

[keakar]

Why is it so important to know who got in trouble? We have established guidelines we usually follow. We don't sit by and ignore the reported posts. What is so untrustworthy about us that you think we don't do our jobs?

i never ment to imply anything like that.

i was thinking this would get people off your backs when it is necessary to take action.

my idea was to have this info only while the member was banned so moderators dont need to explain their actions.

i dont want to suggest any kind of scorecard be kept.

you guys do a hard job and you do it well so people need to get off of your backs.

[Thermopylae_480]

what if the issue is a mod who is obviously try to FLAIM BAIT, and there is obviously nothing done about the fact because mods are "gods " here?

I flagged the post , nothing was done...Sent PM to W1z ,no responce!

Because when you do that, we don't go and create a thread that says, "Ok, we got this complaint about a moderators poor behavior, and decided to do such and such to him." We don't PM the person who made a complaint and tell them what we did about it whether it is a mod or a general user.

Zek got banned, I don't understand where you see that moderators can't get in trouble?

[sneekypeet]

Im not speaking of zek...take a look in here and see if I dont deserve an appology for this mods choice of words?!?!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=39799

Take a look around post #40

[Thermopylae_480]

Would an apology make you feel tons better :) ? I can't make him give you one though.

[sneekypeet]

not really but I guess i have to be some sort of drug user because a mod is too stupid to read the OP and associate the costs involved in the situation?

Oh and thats why the PM went to W1z but he seems to think its ok for his members to be berated by someone who cant add!!!!!

[Thermopylae_480]

What is it you would have liked to seen done to him?

[sneekypeet]

I just think that if this was any other type of job( he is being paid) restitution (in some form) should be expected from him. We are all supposed to conduct ourselves in a certain matter here ,as posters, but the mods arent held to the same standards.

You know as well as I do if the situation had been reversed and I posted to a mod that he must be using drugs on a world wide audienced forum, I would have had hell to pay for my actions. As far as I'm concerned ppl with short tempers or no ability to think outside the box , should not be trusted to have "powers" or "justice" over anyone but maybe his pets!

BTW isnt there a rule here that states no FLAIMING or BAITING of other members?????? Or does that not apply to the mods. In my eyes he had no other intentions but to berate me, or he was trying to get some sort of retalitory responce that he could have taken action against!

[ex_reven]

My concern is that everyone gets annoyed by the most simple things.

Say for example your post is about when someone should go from DX9 to DX10. Thats opinionated material. You cant tell someone when to do something and why in that sort of situation. Its like the stock market, there is no guaranteed future.

If everyone posted facts, added their own opinion separately and didnt try to manipulate the mind of the OP to follow their idea rather than the ideas of other members, there would be alot less argueing. Rather than trying to get the OP to do what you are telling them, you should lay out their options and let them decide for themselves. If another member has an objection to that they can lay down their options and give their reasons for their choices.

No use getting into a shit throwing competition when everyone has an asshole :p

[Thermopylae_480]

What is OP?

[Wile E]

What is OP?Original Post(er)

[sneekypeet]

Original Post(er)

yes thats what I ment ...looking at the original post!

[Solaris17]

Just for everyone complaining about excessive infractions, this week, out of the approximately 4137 members that have signed on there have been eight infractions, and that is a heavy week. There have been 1,000s of posts and hundreds of threads. I don't see any excessive problems. None of you can see how many infractions are given, or why? Why do people assume there is some huge problem?



that and they dont see the PMs we send to let the community know for infractions unless it a is a big direct break of the rules. we ALWAYS give a pm warning these pms are then posted up in the mod lounge so the other mods know whats up their is usually never a time were someone is banned or infracted that another mod wasnt aware of...we may not post im about to infract this guy but if said person is infracted it takes 2 seconds to go to the mod lounge and see whats up.

[Kursah]

Can't have a good place without problems and issues, it's called variety, diversity and opinions. I enjoy TPU, I have joined other forums, but lose interest and always come back to TPU. This place is about helping others, I don't care what the MODS do as long as there's a proper premis for it. And in the end it's their duty to maintain TPU Forums, and hopefully in the futuer sooner than later GPU Forums.

I read what Wazzle typed, and I do agree that was uncalled for. Everyone does that sorta thing to an extent, and he does come off blunt and to the point of not offensive, reminds me of Hella that way sometimes. I have no problems with either of them to my knowlege. My goal is to help and learn here, have a good chat with a few friends, and such. Really I don't see anything wrong with TPU, I could care less what the mods are busy doing as long as I'm able to help someone. Sure I get contradicted, sometimes in a rude manner, and on occasion I'll lower myself to their level (Thermo's made a "cool down" post before in one thread I was in). In the end I see I didn't need to lower myself to that, hell if they want to start an arguement instead of helping, then ignore them as best as possible. I just try to keep helping, and will generally point that fact out and the lack of help they are providing by starting conflict with me or someone else.

Nobody's perfect, but Mods should be able to go above offending others in the manner Wazzle did. That really is unacceptable, and I'm sure not exactly within TPU Guidelines itself, which Mods are meant to upheld to an extent. I don't know if there is a "buddy system" with the Mods, nor do I care, just keep TPU open. I think to an extent the Mods not typing every post perfectly is cool, it shows they're human, and not having to conform to a strict system of guidelines. To have freedom like what TPU has, there has to be the negative sides to everything. All we can do is our part, as users, lurkers, mods, whom-ever.

:toast: TPU (and hopefully also GPU...:D)

[keakar]

well my 2 cents on the matter would be that if a moderator made a statement that was out of line then he should "have to" make a statement retracting it or at least apologize for the comment. i understand that sometimes we have feelings about some people that make us forget our objectivity but a mod has power and to have the right to be a mod he should be held to a higher standard of showing respect to other members. if you want to act like an azz, fine but not if you are a mod. if you feel you cant keep your feelings in check and always be respectfull then you should not be allowed to be a mod period.

now if the member starts the flaming then i dont expect the mod not to respond in kind but in general dissagreements over opinions a mod should always have his temperment in check.

[Solaris17]

Can't have a good place without problems and issues, it's called variety, diversity and opinions. I enjoy TPU, I have joined other forums, but lose interest and always come back to TPU. This place is about helping others, I don't care what the MODS do as long as there's a proper premis for it. And in the end it's their duty to maintain TPU Forums, and hopefully in the futuer sooner than later GPU Forums.

I read what Wazzle typed, and I do agree that was uncalled for. Everyone does that sorta thing to an extent, and he does come off blunt and to the point of not offensive, reminds me of Hella that way sometimes. I have no problems with either of them to my knowlege. My goal is to help and learn here, have a good chat with a few friends, and such. Really I don't see anything wrong with TPU, I could care less what the mods are busy doing as long as I'm able to help someone. Sure I get contradicted, sometimes in a rude manner, and on occasion I'll lower myself to their level (Thermo's made a "cool down" post before in one thread I was in). In the end I see I didn't need to lower myself to that, hell if they want to start an arguement instead of helping, then ignore them as best as possible. I just try to keep helping, and will generally point that fact out and the lack of help they are providing by starting conflict with me or someone else.

Nobody's perfect, but Mods should be able to go above offending others in the manner Wazzle did. That really is unacceptable, and I'm sure not exactly within TPU Guidelines itself, which Mods are meant to upheld to an extent. I don't know if there is a "buddy system" with the Mods, nor do I care, just keep TPU open. I think to an extent the Mods not typing every post perfectly is cool, it shows they're human, and not having to conform to a strict system of guidelines. To have freedom like what TPU has, there has to be the negative sides to everything. All we can do is our part, as users, lurkers, mods, whom-ever.

:toast: TPU (and hopefully also GPU...:D)



To let the community know.(and im not targeting anyone i just notice and have heard members talk to me about it) Im am actually an excellent writer. but when it comes to aim or forums if i type a long post ill try but regular responses i dont usually use punctuation. imop it slows me down it really does but to be honest that isnt the reason i dont use it i type fast and i get caught up so i skim over it. my apologies ahead of time just didnt want everyone thinking im a tard.

[ex_reven]

Solaris, arnt you using Firefox?
If so you can use the dictionary in that to autocorrect your posts. They wont be punctuated, but at least theyll be readable lol. I remember one of your posts in the "toothpaste thermal paste thread" was like you were typing drunk with gloves on :p, twas pretty funny.

[Solaris17]

Solaris, arnt you using Firefox?
If so you can use the dictionary in that to autocorrect your posts. They wont be punctuated, but at least theyll be readable lol. I remember one of your posts in the "toothpaste thermal paste thread" was like you were typing drunk with gloves on :p, twas pretty funny.


yes yes i do infact. however i can have it autocheck but not auto corect i have to go back right click and find the correction alkso takes to long in my opinion after all i am a moderator the forums energy feild may be shifted to the dark chaos side f i dont reply with a quick speedy matter of fact post in time ...in a moderators world every second and F5 hit counts...

[trt740]

It appears the rules are selectively enforced and Petes next statements is proven right here when he said this


he just figured the GPU fairy was going to donate a card to this kid, or he has no idea of the price of an 8800 either. Mind you if a 2900 was the answer my post should have been $400+ and the cost of a ebay DFI mobo.

But I guess if your a mod you dont need to read a post and help out the OP , your job is to berate the guy who is trying to tell the OP he could save his pennies and use them a bit wiser when he purchases his Phenom. But I digress as I am only a lowly poster and not a super cool mod like Wazzle!!!!!




now watch here comes a ban for the messanger

[sneekypeet]

no worries TRT if you are to be banned they may as well dish me one as well. that is exactly why I posted the link in the first place a few posts ago!

I wanted everyone to see what had happened ,just i was a BIT more discreet about it....lol

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by sneekypeet
BUT is it worth $300 and the cost of a DFI when the money could be spent in other upgrades....you all feel good saying go ahead and throw it down....thats all Im asking. Just in no way seem like a smart move unless he is going to spend anothe $600 down the line to make his system wake up to his GPU.

WTH is wrong with the 1950PRO hes got now?
Senior mod
Wazzedoodle posted this but got nothing
"What the fuck are you smoking"?

And Zek tried to control this but couldn't and Zek the voice of reason on that fight get a banned for tell another mod to stop trolling, posting fany boy news, thats bias and that hes embarassing the forum and infactions are fair here????? Wow Wizzard where are you get a handle on this. :banghead:
__________________


um urylin controls the forums now.....we try to do the best we can without their intervention. and no offense we are in the wrong we are human and we have our bad days...but imo this is a good posat but it actually shows us some of the mind set...granted that was a bad post and someone of higher power should have infracted him or w/e but its posts like these that imo ask for backup so a bunch of ppl can go around searching threads looking for bad things mods have done to make mods look bad you know iv even gotten yelled at come to think of it i actually think it was sneaky peet a couple days ago granted what i said was probably out of line but what i said was also taken out of proportion it was a fault on both counts...and that gives mods a bad look. we are not monsaters ppl. as for w1zz controlling things.....or were was w1zz?....well i just stated i got in a argument with sneaky....well a couple moinths prob closer to a year ago...w1zz sent me a pm asking if i wanted a mopd job becuase he saw a couple threads were i defussed a sitch...that was w1zz thinking i had the ability personally i dont think im that bad but as i said i have had arguments we are ppl.

[AthlonX2]

lolz

[Solaris17]

posts like that are not needed what happened to civil conversation are qwe not good enough to speak to now? are we like a grade sachool teacher? getting made fun of behind our backs? you know i dont think any of you will get banned and do you want to know why? becuase if you WERE banned for the posat above. youd prolly get a bunch of supporters and thed probably all bad mouth mods because of how unfair it was and then go on talking about free speach and what not.

so im just going to ask you guys publicaly to calm down and lets just talk and here what you have to say about things. instead of baiting like athlon just did and if you dont think thats bataing i want you to stop back away from your monitor read what he said look in the urban dic. under the word baiting and tell me what it says.

[AthlonX2]

Baiting

Something posters do to gain post count. Posters post something dumb, waiting on other peoples posts so he can reply for some +1 post count. Also, posters can flame people as bait, so the person who was flamed will reply, and there will be a big argument, leading to alot of +1 post count.

[sneekypeet]

@ solaris...personally Im not sure of this instance you are speaking of, not saying it didnt happen, but it just isn't striking a bell right now. Of course I do know for a fact that you were in no way this rude or callus towards me or any other member.

And putting those posts here was my only way to make what happened known, so that something could be done to rectify that specific situation. It was in no way intended to be an anti mod rally for support!

[Solaris17]

i dont mean anything personal sneeky i was using our argument as an example of how certain ppl in the general populace feel im talking about the baiters....nothing personal and i dont consoder you a flammer or baiter at all...as for the argument im speaking of i bealive it was in the abuse of thanks thread.

[trt740]

Well I have yet to see a bad post about Zek (except for Tkpenalty who truth be told got straighten out by Zek when TK was new and TK has become a super good asset to this forum)

Not all mods are bad most are good, Urylins a great guy as another example.

[Thermopylae_480]

But I guess if your a mod you dont need to read a post and help out the OP , your job is to berate the guy who is trying to tell the OP he could save his pennies and use them a bit wiser when he purchases his Phenom. But I digress as I am only a lowly poster and not a super cool mod like Wazzle!!!!!


I find that extremely insulting to me, and rather unfair.

And for the last time. Zek was not banned solely on some stupid PM. How many times must it be said.

[keakar]

Baiting

Something posters do to gain post count. Posters post something dumb, waiting on other peoples posts so he can reply for some +1 post count. Also, posters can flame people as bait, so the person who was flamed will reply, and there will be a big argument, leading to alot of +1 post count.

i dont think this is why they do it i think they just like to argue is all, maybe they aint gettin enough :roll:

[sneekypeet]

i dont mean anything personal sneeky i was using our argument as an example of how certain ppl in the general populace feel im talking about the baiters....nothing personal and i dont consoder you a flammer or baiter at all...as for the argument im speaking of i bealive it was in the abuse of thanks thread.

oh snap!!!! that was it...but in hindsight if it had been any other mod , I'd prolly had said the same. The intent was not to get you into any trouble but to rectify the situation at hand!

[ex_reven]

Well I have yet to see a bad post about Zek (except for Tkpenalty who truth be told got straighten out by Zek when TK was new and has become a super good asset to this forum)

Not all mods are bad most are good, Urylins a great guy as another example.

Wile E for Mod! ftw lol

That guys awesome, I dont think his heartbeat has ever risen above 120BPM :p.

[sneekypeet]

I find that extremely insulting to me, and rather unfair.

And for the last time. Zek was not banned solely on some stupid PM. How many times must it be said.

that wasnt posted be trt it was I who posted that in the original thread, in the post we were discussing. Now can you please explain how it is insulting to you when your screen name is clearly not Wazzle?

If you read that comment in the context of the intire post, I dont fell that you would find it as insulting as you may when it is posted out of context!

[trt740]

I find that extremely insulting to me, and rather unfair.

And for the last time. Zek was not banned solely on some stupid PM. How many times must it be said.

That was a paste from someone else post not from me. I didn't type it I reposted it because nothing in fact was done to Wazz you would know that if you read that thread

[AthlonX2]

in that case rick22 for mod:laugh:

[Thermopylae_480]

Two seperate sentences denote two seperate subjects. The subject of the first sentence was I guess if you're a mod you can berate people. The second was a sarcastic comment about wazz being super cool.

Perhaps I misunderstood?

[trt740]

Wile E for Mod! ftw lol

That guys awesome, I dont think his heartbeat has ever risen above 120BPM :p.


Really Wile E would be a great mod as would Tatty One. Thermo your also a great guy don't get bent out of shape your usually very fair. Your not the topic here just a Mod engaged in the conversation.

[sneekypeet]

but yor not taking it as the continuation from the GPU fairy as intended in the original post. Also I as a man will and do appologize for offending you as that was in no way my intention in that post!!!!!

[AthlonX2]

wheres namslas90 when u need him....lol

[Thermopylae_480]

Sorry, I should probably stop. Most of this seems to be based on way to little information, and one screw up by a mod a few weeks ago.

[Namslas90]

wheres namslas90 when u need him....lol

Watching from a distance....and keeping my mouth shut, IMHO it's all none of my business!!:toast:

[AthlonX2]

oh come on man join in the fun you can be a "baiter" like me and raise that ellusive post count

[Solaris17]

sometimes the wisest move.

[Solaris17]

oh come on man join in the fun you can be a "baiter" like me and raise that ellusive post count

said post was a bait not you as a person. but thats as far as i go. time to take a step back.

[keakar]

Two seperate sentences denote two seperate subjects. The subject of the first sentence was I guess if you're a mod you can berate people. The second was a sarcastic comment about wazz being super cool.

Perhaps I misunderstood?

this is true however for me anyway, i got the impression based on the continuing back and forth they shared that it was just sarcasum not insulting and did come after the smoking comment.

it does however not help to resolve the dissagreement on the best thing for the OP to do.

[ex_reven]

Sorry, I should probably stop. Most of this seems to be based on way to little information, and one screw up by a mod a few weeks ago.

Like I said. All too often, we get pissed off over nothing.
Long time no see namslas, good to see ya.

[trt740]

Sorry, I should probably stop. Most of this seems to be based on way to little information, and one fuck up by a mod a few weeks ago.

no don't be sorry you guys do have a hard job but we are not talking about all Mods Just some those guys Wile E, and Tatty one etc... would be good editions as mods please pass that on. Both have helped me countless times. Look at their thx count you will see plus neither hardly ever gets mad or can be baited, unlike me . Also this is by far the best forum I have ever been apart of. We just need to voice a few short comings and then fix them.

[AthlonX2]

@ solaris not trying to stab you in the side man,all in fun..my heart rate is a constant 80bpm

[sneekypeet]

but it was a big F-up as far as Im concerned and in no way is it a personal attack on all mods in general. Names dont really apply here as if it were any mod who had done tha same, I would still expect it to be handled better than it was is all!

Just so we are all on the same page, Im not trying to goat anyone into saying anything for ,or with me. This thread was started to state what we as members thought was wrong with these ,our "GREAT TPU FORUMS". Even had the post not been made by a mod , and everyone just shrugged it off, I'd still be here posting . Reason being , so that others members arent subjected to this sort of abuse by other members or a mod.

[Solaris17]

@ solaris not trying to stab you in the side man,all in fun..my heart rate is a constant 80bpm

its cool man dont have nothin gainst you at all your a cool guy unlocked my bios joined your clubs fine in my book i was just hopin you didnt think it was an attack by me.....

[Thermopylae_480]

no don't be sorry you guys do have a hard job but we are not talking about all Mods Just some those guys Wile E, and Tatty one etc... would be good editions as mods please pass that on. Both have helped me countless times and this is by far the best forum I have ever been apart of. We just need to voice a few short comings and then fix them. Look at their thx count you will see plus neither hardly ever gets mad or can be baited. unlike me

Do we need more mods?

[Thermopylae_480]

We've actually thought about downsizing a bit, as some mods leave/become inactive.

[ex_reven]

Do we need more mods?

Sure. Why not :laugh:

We've actually thought about downsizing a bit, as some mods leave.

No offense, but in a growing population, that doesnt sound normal :p

[Solaris17]

We've actually thought about downsizing a bit, as some mods leave.


...........................damn

[trt740]

Do we need more mods?

No but maybe a replacement or two if an opening comes up. They are just very active here and are both super guys thats all.

[Thermopylae_480]

Perhaps. We'll see how things go.

[trt740]

thats for putting up with this crap and not taking it to hard.

[wazzledoozle]

In response to the posting of that excellent quote of mine, I apologize.

I wasn't thinking clearly/very tired... I couldn't explain my logic in posting that.

[sneekypeet]

In response to the posting of that excellent quote of mine, I apologize.

I wasn't thinking clearly/very tired... I couldn't explain my logic in posting that.

Very much appreciated ,and as I was saying towards the end ,my only intention here is to make sure it doesnt happen to other members in TPU.

[trt740]

In response to the posting of that excellent quote of mine, I apologize.

I wasn't thinking clearly/very tired... I couldn't explain my logic in posting that. well now that was said about aswell as any apology I've seen. :D think a post of mine needs deleted. Thermo there anyway you could delete any reference to that post for me. I delete mine once was bad enough.

[Thermopylae_480]

Yay, happiness.

[Wile E]

WOW!! Thanx for the support guys. It's really appreciated.

[wazzledoozle]

As for the discussion about more moderators, my opinion is that we need more people to report posts.

There are a handful of users out there who consistently report things, but most people seem to be simply unaware of being able to report posts. Once something is reported though, it goes into a subforum which only mods can see and gets taken care of quickly (usually).

Perhaps we should just make the report post feature more visible?

[Thermopylae_480]

As for the discussion about more moderators, my opinion is that we need more people to report posts.

There are a handful of users out there who consistently report things, but most people seem to be simply unaware of being able to report posts. Once something is reported though, it goes into a subforum which only mods can see and gets taken care of quickly (usually).

Perhaps we should just make the report post feature more visible?

Perhaps if it were this big?
http://img.techpowerup.org/070922/Untitled-1.gif

[wazzledoozle]

Perhaps if it were this big?
http://img.techpowerup.org/070922/Untitled-1.gif

I was thinking more of just a different location, like near the spam/thanks/edit/quote buttons.

[ex_reven]

As for the discussion about more moderators, my opinion is that we need more people to report posts.

There are a handful of users out there who consistently report things, but most people seem to be simply unaware of being able to report posts. Once something is reported though, it goes into a subforum which only mods can see and gets taken care of quickly (usually).

Perhaps we should just make the report post feature more visible?

Make it massive. Like a gigantic button so huge that if you accidently miss the "Submit Post" button by a few millimetres that you hit it. :p JK.

More mods would be a welcome addition because that would mean more ACTIVE response. You'd have more mods trawling posts. Fair enough that you can track reported posts, but if you had more mods reading threads and going about their daily posting activities they could potentially pick up offending posts quicker and with less fuss. Especially since mods are generally very active members.

Another thing is that some people dont report stuff because they might see it as a bit too trivial to report, or that they choose to deal with it themselves in a bad manner. With a few extra staff around you'd probably pick that kinda stuff up and edit it to make it "forum friendly" in no time at all.

[Thermopylae_480]

i just think when in an open forum, a mod, speaking as a voice of authority, if you cross the line into making a personal attack on somebodys character, then it calls for a posted apology, (a simple im sorry that comment was out of line) to that person.

it doesnt hurt to apologize when you make a mistake. he made a simple slip of the tongue like all of us have done at one time or the other. he committed no crime but it warrants a simple apology.

his lack of apology seems to imply he really did intend to cross the line into a personal attack on a members character which IMHO should not be something a mod of this forum should do.

He apologized a few posts ago, get with the times man :) .

[keakar]

He apologized a few posts ago, get with the times man :) .

i was typing lol.

its deleted already

[sneekypeet]

let me just make this statement, and I will no longer post on this situation. The mods here as a group when addressed with a really $hi77y issue , rose to the occasion and talked it all out like men, and came to a senseable and well resolved conclusion! I do commend the abilities of our mods here. This was a very well mannered way of handling said sticky situation.

[keakar]

I was thinking more of just a different location, like near the spam/thanks/edit/quote buttons.

maybe if you added text saying report post it would get used more.

i kinda forget its there to be honest so at the very least switch to that yellow one