Phenom 9850BE low voltage overclocking results!

[Kei]

Oh yea, in the "dark" shot you can see the way the lights shine and how the new fan takes care of any glare, not to mention imagine how bright it'd be with a fan with no less than 4 blue led lights is mounted to the side in the dark...aiming right at where I sit when watching a movie , or play a game (center of the room).

It was the worst possible thing I could have happen to me especially since my eyes are rather light sensitive. I pulled the led's off the fan immediately after taking it off the case just to make myself feel triumphant. I didn't wanna pull them before I got another fan just in case they're wired into the actual fan power and then I'd have to go through effort to fix it. Now that they're off I may use the fan for an exhaust fan on the top of the case behind the power supply, and make a small shroud to promote flow (might even add some aero bits to it to make it that much better).

K

[pbmaster]

May I ask why you have that fan on the side panel facing that way? Wouldn't it make more sense to have it pulling air in?

[fullinfusion]

Beautifull K.... LOve the case and it looks sweet.... i myself have the flopy covers removed and foam in place to help keep the system clean (foam from the pet shop)...Have the rear fan on high to cause a tunnel effect and works real well/////
fui.... Been playing Gears of war for about 3hrs wit the mem timings @ 4.4.4.12.16 T2 @ 2.20.... flawless..... but any hoo love the shots man.... real nice case....:toast:

[Kei]

May I ask why you have that fan on the side panel facing that way? Wouldn't it make more sense to have it pulling air in?

Haha, yea I usually have it mounted that way but I was trying to find out exactly how much it slows my cpu fan down coming in the side where it's mounted. I need to get another piece of plexy and cut a hole in it so that I can mount the fan about 15-20mm further to the right so that I can put it back inside the case. With it mounted where it is and blowing inside the cpu fan is slower by approx 60-100rpm which is a huge deal since I'll be slowing the fan down anyway soon along with all the others.

I was hoping nobody would notice that in the pics though but I guess I did make it really obvious.:laugh:

I've since switched it back to it's original position and added the two sticks of GeIL back into the case. Now I'm sitting at 4Gigs (under the Vista32 though so it's not full). It's helped out IMMENSELY with the photo work (I really missed not having at least 3 gigs but didn't have room before), and plays other things better as well. It actually helped out Crysis a very large amount as well (it would peg the ram at 78-83% and most times), the stutters are far less which is nice and the min fps is better yet again.

Funny it plays quite well when in low power mode (X2 Kuma 1.8Ghz, 600/800Mhz video) at 1024*768 in High settings and can do Very High but takes about a 5-6fps hit. If I up the video card to it's max setting (905/1305 on these 8.5 cat drivers) then the frame rate is very nice even playing with a 1.8Ghz setting. Funny...so much for minimum requirements huh haha.

K

[Kei]

Sucks though I can't run the GeIL at 1T but I already knew that, I can however still run the 4-4-4-12-16 timings though so it's not really a big loss. I haven't tried to run it at 1066Mhz again yet since pairing it with the Patriot so I'm not sure how well that'll work out, but I know it'll do 1000Mhz all day long on lower voltages.

K

[Kei]

Ahhh, that extra ram definatly did the trick! Even Crysis (that bloatware of a game) runs sooo much better now that it's not using nearly all of the available ram. Stuttering is all but non-existant (maybe a very small hiccup on Very High here and there) and the game just runs all around better. Not too bad at all and I only ran it at 960Mhz 5-5-5 2T with the 3Ghz setting this time.

Can't wait til I get some matching ram or at least ram of the same speed (mixing PC9200 and PC6400 right now) so that I can run everything at the lowest timings and high speed. For now things are running even better than they were before. :)

K

[Kei]

Okay,the side fan issue has been resolved as of today. It's not finally mounted back inside the case just aft the cpu cooler (about 6mm or so space in between) and almost literally overtop the ram where it belongs.

I have also pretty much banished all of the led lights that were inside the case before since changing out that side panel. I didn't really wanna try to make them fit today but I may add them in the future as they weren't really that bothersome to me...at least the ones on the 4 corners anyway. Might change the color since the lights kinda added a nice atmosphere to the inside of the case, but hey I may just add some different kind of lights later on. I have plans on getting a new case relatively soon anyway.............

With that said I went to hack town on this case today and added a plexiglass panel at the top of the case just aft the power supply as well. I originally was curious as to how much it would aid the cooling with a fan on the top since I had that 80mm sitting around I cut a hole in the caes itself last night and mounted it there for the night and just watched. It actually did a pretty decent job of getting the heat out of the case so I figured I'm getting rid of the case anyway so why not go to town on it.

Before I do get a different case though I'll be adding a thermometer to the top panel of the case to check the inside case temps. I doubt I'll do anything fancy as I'm getting rid of the case but meh...maybe I'll try something digital. I think for now I'll just grab a cheap $1 stick type and put a whole up there for it and just drop it in there nice and snug. I originaly wanted to see if two 80mm fans would fit up there but I'm just shy of enough room by about 6-10mm worth. Oh well 1 fan is better than no fans so either way I win this game. :D

Oh yea...I guess I should say what spawned this whole thing huh? As you all know I had to get that side fan back inside the case again, but the real thing that made me do it today is...my exhaust fan. I remembered that the rear fan I put in the case 'recently' was an extremely powerful Thermaltake 120mm (78CFM @ 21dBA) vs. the (fantastic) stock Xigmatek HDT-S1283 120mm fan which spins at ~1400 (1436rpm right now). The Thermaltake fan on the other hand spins at a much quicker 1900+rpm and is quieter by about 14dBA which is nice. I'm not sure the stock flow number on the Xigmatek fan but they are good by the hand test, but it definately doesn't flow as much as that Thermaltake fan does using the same test. I remember when I first put that thing it I was shocked at how much air that thing can move!

Anyway I did a quick 100% load stability test using AOD to check the temperature differences...the average temperature was 47C and the high........................*drum roll*...............................a whopping 48C! That was a 3.0Ghz 1.35v cpu, Cpu Tweak enabled, and the Northbridge was clocked to 2.4Ghz with the voltage at 1.40v (which raises the cpu temp since they're living in the same house). Those temps so far are fantastic if you ask me! Prior to that the max temps under 100% stress test was in the low 50C range (about 53C or so), now they don't even reach 50C anymore.

Very nice indeed...and I don't lose any exhaust speed since the Xigmatek fan is already very fast plus I added the top fan to get even more air out. I haven't tried any other testing tonight as I'm making sure everything runs perfectly before I mess around at all.

K

[Viscarious]

Nice results with the modded case. Which case are you planning on getting??

Still havnt got my mobo yet. =[

[Kei]

That sucks...have you tracked the shipping on the board yet?

Case wise I'm not sure which case I'm going to get but it's a 95% chance that I'm going to get a Lian Li case as I like them a lot. Whichever I do get it's gonna be pretty aero optimized out of the box so that I can resist cutting on it for at least a while, so that means it'll most likely be Lian Li. :D

Unless I get a PC7 Lian Li case which I'll immediately begin cutting on haha

K

[Viscarious]

Yea, the ups site says it left cali on the 24! Granted mail doesnt move on sundays and cause of Memorial Day. So it better be here tmrw or Im calling about this '3 day guarantee'

[Srgtgoat]

Kei been readin yur posts, Man u been doing some testing! Great stuff , learning a lot. i've just started this, got the same chip and board as you and this is the first i've seen someone do what yur doing. i'm looking for some begining advice, but if this is not the place and i'm just to new for this thread i understand. i won't post here with this again, with that being said here's what i tryed so far:

there is a utility in the bios under jumper free settings for the bios to pick the settings for you, you just choose the % of OC you want to do 5%,10%,15% etc.

5% goes to 2.6ghz,stock multi(12.5x), bus 210mhz, vcore1.392.(stock is 1.280)

10% 2.7ghz,bus 220mhz, vcore 1.392(and each boot, voltage would be a little different)
but that was a little ustable.

when i try it in manual ( i want to do it like the big boys , not that traning wheel crap!)can't even get to windows, i tryed :

cpu multi to 13 up from 12.5 (No post)

tryed the bus at 250 and cpu at 11x. (no post)

in manual i can't adjust the vcore it's set at auto, and can't change it, is that normal?? or am i missing something? (probably missing a lot, hehe) not sure were to adjust ram timing or voltage.


here's my spec's, thanks for your time Kei !
9850 BE on M3A32-MVP (bios 2.61)
OCZ Reaper 1066 PC8500 2x2G
Diamond 3870 x2 (OCed in ATI Overdrive to 823/1161)
Antec 850 watt
Asus Silent Knight hs w/3 case fans(cpu at idle never over 40c)

(After lockup from cpu OC, gpu's went back to stock clock and mem settings, weird)




SG,

[Kei]

Thanks Sarge and welcome to the thread.

The reason you can't adjust the voltage and it's 'stuck' at auto is because you don't adjust it like the rest of the settings on the board. Instead of hitting enter and using the arrow keys you have to use the +/- keys to adjust voltages (can be adjusted in .0125v increments).

When you are adjusting it remember a few guidelines to help you out...

1. Stock is 1.30v (1.296) use this before any other voltages higher or lower

2. Don't exceed 1.45v as that is rather high for a daily setting

3. Don't exceed 61C for extended periods of time as this is the limit from AMD with this unit

Those are the best 3 basic cpu voltage guidlines that I can give for you starting out. If you're really trying to hit a certain speed and you can't do it on 1.45v then instead of raising the voltage higher, just disable one of the cores and try it again at that voltage.

So instead of going high on the voltages just go into the bios (CPU Configuration) and choose the Processor Downcore option and try your setting with this option set at 3, if it doesn't work try it set at 2, and if you really care enough then try it at 1 but I wouldn't bother at that point. Using less cores will ensure you can use lower voltage to achieve the same setting and tell you more information about your chip without risking any damage from high voltages or heat. Using less cores will also dramatically reduce the heat as well which can be very usefull.

Unless you're using a quadcore because you need a quadcore...and that is doing a huge amount of things which 90% of people never do...then it won't hurt at all to turn a few of the cores off. That'll help you achieve a higher setting, less voltage, less heat, and STILL have more than enough power to do whatever you want to do. When you need more cores you can always turn them back on which is the best thing about having 4 if you ask me.

While you're testing with your clocks ensure that the Northbridge and HT Link are set at either stock or a very resonable level (don't try to test the cpu with the Northbridge at 2.6Ghz likewise HT Link). Never set the HT Link speed higher than the Northbridge as it will not work...ever.

When you're doing your cpu testing it's a good idea to set the ram (DRAM settings menu underneath the Memory Configuration option) to DDR2 400 divider (1:1) or DDR2 800 divider (1:2) so that you don't run into a ram limitation and think it's cpu related.

For sure I've missed something, but I'm sure you'll be in here with us a lot so ask me any questions you may have and I'll do what I can to answer.

K

Btw, please remember to take it slow when doing your testing as in using only 1 setting change at a time. If you tried 12.5x then try 13, then 13.5, etc. If you're adjusting the HT Bus speed then start at 200 and go up in 5Mhz blocks to start, then once you start getting higher go by 1Mhz only... i.e. 200, then 205, then 210, until around 230 (if possible) then go 231, 232, etc. Don't try changing the bus speed AND cpu multiplier together until you know what the limit is for each of the individually to eliminate any guess work. Oh yea, stock the Northbridge is 10x multiplier (2.0Ghz) and so is the HT Link setting but set with Ghz settings meaning stock is the 2.0Ghz setting (which means 10x). If you're having troubles you can lower the HT Link speed to see if it'll help.

[Kei]

Also Sarge it'd be good to go into the control panel here at the top of the page and put your system information/specs into the pulldown that'll be under your name like ours for easy reference.

Also you listed your bios at 2.61...? Are you certain that's the number, it's listed almost at the top of the screen when you first press the power. The POST screen (the black one you see when you first turn the screen on with system info) will say AWARD Bios blah blah blah and whatever number it is. I believe if you've never flashed before then you're on 802 bios. It'd be a good idea to flash it to 1002 bios instead. You can get this at the ASUS website and flash it in the bios itself using the EZ Flash utility (2nd to last option in the bios I believe). It'll walk you through it pretty much and it won't take long at all. Just put it on a usb drive and do it as it's far easier than using a floppy...plus who still has those. anyway ;)

K

There is a beta bios flying around called 1101 but don't bother with that one as it's still not quite up to par just yet.

[fullinfusion]

Hey guy's... im back haha.. been on the road all week working and, WHERE IS MY DAM PATRIOT STICKS!!!!
those buggers anyways...:wtf:

[Viscarious]

Sup fellas. Got my mobo today. Its installed and running beautifully. I also got vista and running 64bit just for the hell of it. Anything new happen lately??

[Kei]

Not too much here lately as you've all been gone for like a year or so leaving me out in the cold dark world of the internet forums.

Seriously though I've been helping on another thread since you guys left...that and trying to think of a few mods for the case I'm using now before I switch cases (if I still do when I'm done).

I'm getting in 2 new 120mm fans of differing flow rates for some testing so I'll be able to post something up fairly soon. One of the fans will be for the cpu cooler and the other will be so that I can mock up an idea that I've been throwing around in my head since I stopped posting.

I'll let you guys know how it goes tomorrow mainly on the cpu cooler fan switch (fan #3 now). I'm still using the Thermaltake fan on the heatsink right now and it still runs beautifully. Now I just have to get my head wrapped around this new idea and see it through if that is it's even possible/beneficial.

Anybody know of a good realiable fan controller that doesn't have a bunch of lights on it...if you don't know about any w/o lights what DO you know of? How large is it, how well does it work, and how many fans (powerful ones) can it support?

K

[fullinfusion]

sorry K
My job takes me away most of the week leaving me to be on mostly near the end of the week... i have crash problems now and will be needing some help resolving the situation.. i think i may need to use other settings that im not using in the bios ex.. nb-pll volt and that stuff.. ill post photos of my setup later today... just modding the water cooler so the radiator mounts on the outside back of the case...:toast:

[Kei]

Just got the new fans today and I'll be mocking up a setup or at least making up the plans today. The beast fan (110cfm) is actually not very loud at all and rated at 37dBA which is actually pretty quiet as they only noise you actually hear is the sound of air being moved in VERY large amounts. The other fan being the uber quiet one (40cfm) is completely silent to the ear at only 10dBA. This fan really is scary quiet...I'm still shocked by how quiet it is for the amount of air it can actually flow. Depending on how well it can cool the cpu I may end up switching all of the fans for models similar if not identical to this one. I'm sure it'll cool the processor quiet well as it still flows a very nice amount of air and the Xigmatek is a 'GINORMOUS' cooler so it really only needs a low cfm fan to cool efficiently anyway.

I'll keep you guys in the loop on how it's going and what I decide. Right now with the beast fan the processor cores are sitting at 25C while doing the usual stuff (down from ~28C). I ran at 3Ghz earlier to see if temps changed and indeed under 100% load the temps were averaging about 46C and had it as low as 45C which is excellent for 1.35v with everything else overclocked as well and Cpu Tweak enabled.

K

[Kei]

Btw, did I mention the 40cfm fan is very shinobi like much like myself...I really like this one silent, stealthy, but deadly :D

K

[fullinfusion]

Just got the new fans today and I'll be mocking up a setup or at least making up the plans today. The beast fan (110cfm) is actually not very loud at all and rated at 37dBA which is actually pretty quiet as they only noise you actually hear is the sound of air being moved in VERY large amounts. The other fan being the uber quiet one (40cfm) is completely silent to the ear at only 10dBA. This fan really is scary quiet...I'm still shocked by how quiet it is for the amount of air it can actually flow. Depending on how well it can cool the cpu I may end up switching all of the fans for models similar if not identical to this one. I'm sure it'll cool the processor quiet well as it still flows a very nice amount of air and the Xigmatek is a 'GINORMOUS' cooler so it really only needs a low cfm fan to cool efficiently anyway.

I'll keep you guys in the loop on how it's going and what I decide. Right now with the beast fan the processor cores are sitting at 25C while doing the usual stuff (down from ~28C). I ran at 3Ghz earlier to see if temps changed and indeed under 100% load the temps were averaging about 46C and had it as low as 45C which is excellent for 1.35v with everything else overclocked as well and Cpu Tweak enabled.

K

Nice K... im using a BLUE LED thermaltake variable rate fan myself and love it..
I ended up re-installing the O/S today... Was getting very buggy with all the BSOD's from o/c'n but now i just lowered the fsb from 223 to 222 and seems fine now but wont know till i run gears of war for a few hours... Did i mention a Blue Led Fan lol!
couldn't remount the rad since the 2 90deg angle fittings are not in stock...
with the ht @1998 vs the 2007mhz speed am i loosing any performance?
you think my corsair sticks could be giving me the crashes? still waiting on the Patriot 1200mhz 5.5.5.12 @2.3v sticks.... hope with the extra bandwidth this machine will smoke rite along hey?

[fullinfusion]

Nice temp's K but try running Prime 95 and i betcha those temp's go over 60c...
Aod for me while stressen hit max 58c but using Prime im into the mid 60's but stop the program so i dont cook the dam cpu...
and have a great weekend ok man:toast:

[Kei]

Haha, Prime95 ain't got nothing on this setup. That's what I normally run and I've STILL never been near 60C on this setup...ever. Not even before changing out any of the fans as I've got some pretty good flow not to mention that Xigmatek is a complete monster. It was just knocked down from 2nd place on Frosty Tech's rankings of the best AMD HSF setups they've ever tested (they test A LOT, which is an understatement). It's now in 4th place as a few new things have since come out and done a just a hair better. This cooler really is scary even with the stock fan on it...seriously good enough that like I said earlier after I run some testing with the 40 CFM fan I may swap one onto the cpu cooler as well to make the system completely silent.

;) name another cpu cooler than is good enough to drop the cfm and still not overheat and still remain oh so quiet :D
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Anyway enough gloating over the Xigmatek (btw, it's greatness). I just installed one of the new fans into the side of the case. I put a single 120mm 40 CFM fan at the bottom left corner of the window on the case which you'll see in the pictures I put on the top of this page. That is the first of the new fans that will be going into the case to test on the airflow without modding the case too much (then I can't test different configurations as there won't be any case left :D) yet.

So far on the low power setup the cores are running a fantastic 24C right now, the motherboard is at a whopping 27-28C (slight fluctuation). That's 1 better than the previous numbers on the cpu side of things which is good as it's an improvement and it's not even blowing at the cpu cooler as it'd slow it down. It does however provide nice fresh cool(er) air to the cpu cooler instead of the air it'd just collect from the air inside the case. It's also blowing onto the HD3870, the Northbridge, and just a hair under the graphics card. The card is running at 49C (down from ~52C) right now which is sweet.

I'll be testing the high power setup as well but since the last thing I really ran on before the fan was the low power I had to post that first. Don't worry though I haven't had my balls clipped so I'll make sure you guys have some hyper speed lovin' too. :D

I'm still deciding due to space on whether or not to have the next 120mm next to the first new one or to change it's location and have it in the plaec the current 80mm fan is right now. Originally I wanted to have three 120mm fans on the side of the case but after mocking that up it'd require cutting more material out of the case itself to ensure it'd fit inside the case instead of the ugly outside alternative. Instead of that I may only have two 120mm fans side by side and change the location of the 80mm fan a few cm to the right and up so that it's blowing directly on the ram. Of course I have to then think about airflow from that fan as well as keeping the noise at a specific level just like the other fans which is harder as it's a smaller fan.

I guess I'm off to newegg right now to check out what I can get in that size that'll flow 40 CFM and still not have a very high dBA rating to ensure uniformity with the rest of the fans.

K

Btw...damn this is fun :D

[Kei]

Oh yea, I'll run Prime95 again later so that you'll know the temps but I'll put the quieter Xigmatek fan back on the cooler as I'm curious as to how well it'll cool with the rest of the setup I have going right now. I say it'll be somewhere in the low 50C maybe (and I do mean maybe) 55C but no more than that I think.

K

[fullinfusion]

Nice K... im using a BLUE LED thermaltake variable rate fan myself and love it..
I ended up re-installing the O/S today... Was getting very buggy with all the BSOD's from o/c'n but now i just lowered the fsb from 223 to 222 and seems fine now but wont know till i run gears of war for a few hours... Did i mention a Blue Led Fan lol!
couldn't remount the rad since the 2 90deg angle fittings are not in stock...
with the ht @1998 vs the 2007mhz speed am i loosing any performance?
you think my corsair sticks could be giving me the crashes? still waiting on the Patriot 1200mhz 5.5.5.12 @2.3v sticks.... hope with the extra bandwidth this machine will smoke rite along hey?
Nice but how about this question lord K?

[Kei]

Oops, forgot about that. *clears throat*

No you're not losing even the smallest measureable speed from dropping that far. You would most likely not even notices if you dropped all the way down to 1700Mhz...

No worries :D <---- that should be you right now.

As for the fan, I'm probably using the exact same fan or that was the one that was at the rear of the case that I put on the cpu cooler that is now sitting on my bed for now. I'd like to keep all the fans the same color if possible w/o painting any of them. I may still use the Thermaltake fan elsewhere though if I can find a way to make the blue lights not so much as I may change led colors after painting (If I still do that).

K

[Kei]

Btw, the one that you should be mindful of is the Northbridge speed. Try to keep that as close to 2Ghz as possible but a small dip is no big deal (1920Mhz isn't that big of a deal but I wouldn't go under that by much as you're entering the other Phenom territory and defeating the purpose of ours). All of them are trying to get to the stock speed that we have (I did the samething with my 9500) and it's a nice noticable gain so I'd keep close to 2.0Ghz if possible.

K

[Kei]

You hate me...I ran Prime95 for 10 minutes to see what the max load temperature would be on both the low and high power settings. Well...low power had a HUGE temperature of 27C with the uber beast 110 CFM fan running at a almost dead 612 rpm (down from just shy of 2000 rpm). I think that's good right? ;)

The high power setting was a yawning temperature of 46C max so I decided to do something more drastic. I opened two instances of memtest to get all of the ram and the processor running pretty hard...THEN I opened Everest and put the full system stress test on also. The max temperature was INDEED higher this time at a...wait a whopping 47C?!? The average temperature was 44C at the end of the test, the low (just after startup at 'idle') was 37C. That time the fan actually kicked up to max for about a minute then it realized there's no party here so it slowed down to about 1800 rpm.

How's that for awesome air temps!?! :D

To make it even better, if I turn Cpu Tweak off then the 'idle' temperature is barely 31C with the fan still on a lower setting of 750 rpm! All of the fan speeds are being controlled by the motherboard as I wanted to see what it determined would be conditions to turn the fan up all the way. On the low power setup...no matter what I do it won't go above 700 rpm. Did I mention that I moved the low power setting to 60W power...and it still won't go above 700 rpm. :D

K <-----loves his air cooling :p

[fullinfusion]

You hate me...I ran Prime95 for 10 minutes to see what the max load temperature would be on both the low and high power settings. Well...low power had a HUGE temperature of 27C with the uber beast 110 CFM fan running at a almost dead 612 rpm (down from just shy of 2000 rpm). I think that's good right? ;)

The high power setting was a yawning temperature of 46C max so I decided to do something more drastic. I opened two instances of memtest to get all of the ram and the processor running pretty hard...THEN I opened Everest and put the full system stress test on also. The max temperature was INDEED higher this time at a...wait a whopping 47C?!? The average temperature was 44C at the end of the test, the low (just after startup at 'idle') was 37C. That time the fan actually kicked up to max for about a minute then it realized there's no party here so it slowed down to about 1800 rpm.

How's that for awesome air temps!?! :D

To make it even better, if I turn Cpu Tweak off then the 'idle' temperature is barely 31C with the fan still on a lower setting of 750 rpm! All of the fan speeds are being controlled by the motherboard as I wanted to see what it determined would be conditions to turn the fan up all the way. On the low power setup...no matter what I do it won't go above 700 rpm. Did I mention that I moved the low power setting to 60W power...and it still won't go above 700 rpm. :D

K <-----loves his air cooling :p

nice K...
I've dropped the ht link volt down to 1.30v from 1.40v and raised the sb volt to 1.24 and while benching and running alota programs im at 52c compared to 58-60 using AOD stress... so far so good plus that cooler you have beats mine to shi7.... tomorrow im lapping the cpu.... that should be good for a 8c drop if it Lapps like my 6400 did..:toast:

[fullinfusion]

ok try bumping your cpu core up to 1.3750 and the ht to 1.30v and the sb to 1.24 and then give me results... you have a chip that likes the low volts so we're not comparing = results... id go down to your settings but it wont let me lol... try mine @3.01GHz and then let me know.... should be interesting:toast:

[Kei]

I've got a download going right now which should be done in about 11 minutes. After that's done I'll give it a try but the results probably won't be very different. I say my temp will be ~48/49C maybe, but we'll see. :)

I'm shopping for a fan that's similar in CFM to the Thermaltake but has less volume (and is black) right now. I'd like everything to match and to get a fan that has enough to keep the temps to a resonable level (less than 50C for me) and also be whisper quiet when need be.

K

[fullinfusion]

I've got a download going right now which should be done in about 11 minutes. After that's done I'll give it a try but the results probably won't be very different. I say my temp will be ~48/49C maybe, but we'll see. :)

I'm shopping for a fan that's similar in CFM to the Thermaltake but has less volume (and is black) right now. I'd like everything to match and to get a fan that has enough to keep the temps to a resonable level (less than 50C for me) and also be whisper quiet when need be.

K
sound's good man but the volt your used to is going to shock the crap outta your cooler i bet, but your results will tell the tale... thank's K
:rockout:

[Kei]

Haha...well sorry for the yawn inducing results, but the temperature was a whole 47C after 5 minutes and me opening Paintshop Pro in order to take a screen shot. It was still only 46C before I did that...

The Xigmatek is now offended and is no longer speaking to you since you doubted it. haha j/k

K

[Viscarious]

=]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080530/cachemem2.png

Not bad with 100% stock volts. I've even got the HD3870 to 880mhz core and 1370 mem without upping its volts.

I just got back from work with a 9 hour 34min stress test resulting in what it says is stable. Now I will play some games and try out this setup. =]

[Kei]

Sweetness :D

I'm playing around at the same speed as you right now but I'm doing it on the Kuma setup as for some reason I just wanted to run at 2.7Ghz (95W) for a while to see how the power stacks up compared to the 45W setup. That and I'm playing around to see what I can get on other processors stock voltage settings. I'm at 1.088v right now but there is no way I could get 3Ghz at this voltage like I've seen with the Intel E7200. That's pretty impressive I think, I wonder how I'd fare if this chip was a 45nm chip.

I wish I could measure the wattage the cpu is putting out seperate from everything else without going through a bunch of hoops. I was bored/curious so I decided to use an online wattage calculator to see the difference in wattage when adding more cores.

I used 2.5Ghz as the stock speed and 1.296v as stock voltage (like our 9850BE's), for the over/underclocked settings I used the same 2.5Ghz but this time at 1.08v

Dual Core Chip 65W = 45W used
Tri Core Chip 95W = 66W used
Quad Core Chip 125W= 87W used

There is of course a pattern here with both the wattage amounts. The original processor watts are of course 30W higher per core added. The new calculated watts are 21W higher per core added. That would lead me to believe that a setting of 2.7Ghz using 1.09v would yield a 50W chip when using a Dual Core processor. That of course is fantastic and all but that would also mean that...a setting of 1.8Ghz using 0.976v would yield a staggering 27W chip using the same Dual Core processor.

I guess it's time to do some more digging and see what I can find.

K

[fullinfusion]

oh well that works.... K since i've dropped the nb and raised the sb i've been rocking gaming without a glitch... i think i was heating the ht up to much... temps while playing a real demanding game=43c
timings @ 4.4.4.12.16@2.14v
works sweet now... ok ttul, back to gears
:roll:

[Viscarious]

Late night overclocking here. Hey Full, I tried to roughly run what settings you are and I can get into windows vista and try to run everest but then I'll crash or sometimes I wont even get into windows...just depends on the PC's attitude to my clocks lol

anyways, I was running 222FSB, v core of 1.375, HT volts were 1.3v, sb volts at 1.24 and I assumed a 13.5 multi but I couldn't figure out how to keep the HT link at 2.0ghz or around there at least. I was at 2.2ghz when I checked cpuz after a random boot into windows. Any who... Oh and I also set the ram to 800mhz at auto timings. Wasn't stable at all. I fiddled around a tiny bit with volts, + and - .02v on everything.

Kei, I think I recall reading way back about something called cache mapping cycle in bios and it should be disabled? Im going to google this but its prolly going to be too much for me to really understand so if you could give one of your awesome explanations for dummies, that would kick ass. Oh and Memory hole something... what is that? o disabled it... : /

[Kei]

Ignore the memory hole thing, but make sure that Cache Mapping Cycle is enabled. If that's disabled then you've basically enabled the TLB fix and you're running in AOD's Green mode which is definately not where you want to be...

Did you already try overclocking using the multiplier only or did you just hop in doing both? If you did already find the multiplier limit, what was it and at what voltage did you try?

K

[Kei]

On another note, I've done like my 5th fan swap of the evening before I make any further cuts on the case/window. I'm still using the 110cfm fan on the cpu heatsink but it's under motherboard fan controls (sitting at ~625rpm 99% of the time with ~2000 being the limit). On the side window in the bottom left corner is still the 40cfm fan along with the previously installed 15cfm 80mm fan. The top of the case still has just the single 80mm fan I put on there a few days back for exhaust. The front of the case has an unknown cfm fan (I'd say ~25-30 max) that came with the case, and finally at the rear is the ~60cfm fan that used to be on the processor heatsink.

I figure having that outback is the best option as now it's technically the strongest fan with the other high cfm fan being limited to only a small bit of rpm's. It's the loudest fan as well coming in at ~20dBA, the side 80mm is ~15dBA, the side 120mm is ~10dBA, and the top 80mm is ~15dBA.

Everything is much quieter now without the Thermaltake fan in there which was rated at 78cfm and ~21dBA. I think that sound rating is an optimistic claim or was done in a room where it may not have been optimal for sound level testing as it sounds much louder than any other fan in the case. The only fan that comes close is teh 110cfm when it is blowing 100% and EVEN THEN the fan itself is very very quiet the only real noise is the sound of huge amounts of air being moved. The Thermaltake fan on the other hand is very easy to hear over the airflow it moves which is very strange indeed...perhaps it's a bit damaged or it was slightly defective as they Xigmatek and it have almost identical ratings yet the Xigmatek fan is extremely quieter (yet rated only 1dBA less?).

Either way it's extremely quiet in here even without changing the rest of the fans out for more 120mm 40cfm fans. I'll still be ordering them as they flow better than both of the 80mm fans (a single 120 flows better than both of the 80's together and is still quieter). I may keep a single 80mm fan to place above the second 120mm fan on the side of the case so it's literally blowing on the ram sticks. It's gotta be a black fan though as I want all the fans to be uniform w/o painting them, and no led lights either. Any lighting I add to my case (if any) will be of my own choosing.

So far though, this is turning out awesome.

K

[Srgtgoat]

Kei thanks very much for the info and letting a wet behind the ears overclocker like me hang with you guys, my first oc is up 100 mhz seems stable other than a couple of weird lockups , like to go a little higher before i do any stress tests. haven't checked the bios ver as of yet, yur most likely right ,i got that number from screen shot from the manual(what a noob) i'm going to flash it today if it is in fact the one you said, should i set settings to standard before i flash it??

thanks again SG,

[Viscarious]

Kei thanks very much for the info and letting a wet behind the ears overclocker like me hang with you guys, my first oc is up 100 mhz seems stable other than a couple of weird lockups , like to go a little higher before i do any stress tests. haven't checked the bios ver as of yet, yur most likely right ,i got that number from screen shot from the manual(what a noob) i'm going to flash it today if it is in fact the one you said, should i set settings to standard before i flash it??

thanks again SG,


Nope, flashing it will erase everything and set a new bios. Just be sure to reset all your setting in the bios so you dont boot from floppy. =]

Oh and thanks Kei for the dos and donts. =] AS for trying Full's clocks... I just dived headlong into it. I was able to get into windows almost at 3ghz, Ill try some more stuff. =]

[Kei]

No problems guys, it's my honor to help you guys out. :)

Sarge if you haven't already flashed the bios then I'd use the option to set everything back to stock settings first so that there is no chance that anything bad could happen while flashing even though it's unlikely. It's just good insurance and keeps my mind right.

Viscarious, glad to see you've already nearly pulled 3Ghz in the first 5 minutes with your 9850. Did either of you guys wait for the thermal paste on the heatsink properly cure or did you just start clocking immediately? It's a good idea to do so (wait at least 24 hours) prior to putting everything through any real stress. If not oh well it's already past that point anyway just remember it for future reference...and I appologize for not saying something earlier. No harm no foul though.

Hope you guys are enjoying your processors :D

K

[Kei]

I never asked...do any of you have plans to do anything to your cases for better airflow? What cases and fan setups are you guys using anyway and how do you like it?

K

[fullinfusion]

I never asked...do any of you have plans to do anything to your cases for better airflow? What cases and fan setups are you guys using anyway and how do you like it?

K
i have a 120 mm fan in the front of the case and a variable rate thermaltake 120mm in the rear
and i removed both floppy drive covers and put a piece of foam in place to filter out the dust
(foam inserts are cheap from a local fish store) and easy so cut to size... with my side on im getting a tunnel effect through out the case and the air being exhausted is nice and cool..
It also helps that my V1 fan is now sitting vertical and it's exhausting straight into the rear exhaust fan and straight out the rear of the case..:rockout:
I just for the hell of it fitted foam in behind the remaining 5.25 drive bays to also help filtering the air that still gets drawn into the case from the little cracks and crevasses... note the bottom picture is just showing the foam with the cover off to just show ya what i mean
http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/IM000539.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/IM000540.jpg

[Viscarious]

I have an old Raidmax Ninja. I modded it a tiny tiny bit. Theres these two alienware like eyes in the front of the case and I took them out and put a 120mm fan there to suck in cool air in over the HDDs and then that air gets pushed back to the video card and sound card. Other then that, I just have the zalman Hs/F just uses the cases air and pushes that out back over the NB fan and then straight out the back. Oh and theres a 80mm fan blowing nice cool outside air right onto the zalman. So its ok for me. =]

I dont have a camera or I'd take photos and showoff!

On other news, Yea, Kei, I spent the first 24 hours or more like 36 hours setting up Vista 64 bit before reloading vista 32 bit on my system. Then I started Ocing the stuff so Im sure its had some nice curing time.

Also... Heres some things I tried. 200x15, 14.5 didnt work very well. I cant remember the exact results for just those clocks but I just moved on to this:

223x13.5@1.300v = fail
223x13.5@1.350v = fail > all unstable
223x13.5@1.375v = fail

I then tried 215x14@1.3625v...unstable...
215x13.5@1.325v, 1.350v, 1.375v...unstable...but wait...1.3825v seemed ok...didnt run long stress on it as Im just trying to see if I can load into windows with it. :P

Oh! I keep getting HT links of 2.150 or around there when overclocking...How do I go about setting that to try to stabilize the system. I remember you telling me that is a large factor to system stability.

Right now, Im using: http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/Untitled.jpg

and the memory for that is running a normal: http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/Untitled182.jpg

This set it quite stable. I think I locked up not too long ago but I was able to play BF2 on full powa for about an hour and a half. I locked up loading a webpage and then I got a BSOD. =[

Got any recommendations?

[fullinfusion]

I have an old Raidmax Ninja. I modded it a tiny tiny bit. Theres these two alienware like eyes in the front of the case and I took them out and put a 120mm fan there to suck in cool air in over the HDDs and then that air gets pushed back to the video card and sound card. Other then that, I just have the zalman Hs/F just uses the cases air and pushes that out back over the NB fan and then straight out the back. Oh and theres a 80mm fan blowing nice cool outside air right onto the zalman. So its ok for me. =]

I dont have a camera or I'd take photos and showoff!

On other news, Yea, Kei, I spent the first 24 hours or more like 36 hours setting up Vista 64 bit before reloading vista 32 bit on my system. Then I started Ocing the stuff so Im sure its had some nice curing time.

Also... Heres some things I tried. 200x15, 14.5 didnt work very well. I cant remember the exact results for just those clocks but I just moved on to this:

223x13.5@1.300v = fail
223x13.5@1.350v = fail > all unstable
223x13.5@1.375v = fail

I then tried 215x14@1.3625v...unstable...
215x13.5@1.325v, 1.350v, 1.375v...unstable...but wait...1.3825v seemed ok...didnt run long stress on it as Im just trying to see if I can load into windows with it. :P

Oh! I keep getting HT links of 2.150 or around there when overclocking...How do I go about setting that to try to stabilize the system. I remember you telling me that is a large factor to system stability.

Right now, Im using: http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/Untitled.jpg

and the memory for that is running a normal: http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/Untitled182.jpg

This set it quite stable. I think I locked up not too long ago but I was able to play BF2 on full powa for about an hour and a half. I locked up loading a webpage and then I got a BSOD. =[

Got any recommendations?

what's the ram volt set at? try2.20v
here's my little secret... try it and let me know how it works
http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/IM000543.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/ccpuz.php157.png
http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/16.jpg

[Viscarious]

Sweet! Thanks, Ima try this out very fast. =]

[fullinfusion]

yeah i waited about 10min and my paste was cured lol hey K... amazing what 80c+ goes to artic silver 5 lol (WARNING DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME) lol;)

[fullinfusion]

Sweet! Thanks, Ima try this out very fast. =]
cool good luck man:toast:

[Kei]

Sweet guys, thanks for posting about the cases but....

Viscarious I hate you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much right now because of you case! I want that case so bad it hurts but since it's a midtower I didn't buy it. That was the original case I was gonna pick up before I built the first Quad system...it's still to this day on my newegg wish list just cuz I'm gonna use it on SOMEBODIES build or build myself something just so I can have it. Haha...okay all jealousy is done now, but I can't give you anymore help cuz of your cool case....okay so maybe I'll still help and just forever remain jealous. :D

As for your bsod issues I agree with trying a touch more ram voltage to see what happens or drop the processor speed down just 1 notch and test it there with the same voltage. To set you HT Link just change the multiplier (it's listed as x.x Ghz right now, but the multipliers are exactly the same as the Northbridge though just listed differently).

Full...you have gained many cool ponits in my book cuz I can see the 360 controller wire hanging in your photos. My case will match my 360 (the Elite one not the regular white one this time) and the tv if I can get the color close. I may just match the 360 color wise since I like that flat/satin look of the elite case very much. I just bought some paint to test on things, but I think I'll need to add some white or grey base paint underneath it to try to match the 360 paint.

K

[Viscarious]

I've had this case for two computers now! :D:D:D

Its well designed and looks cool too. And as I've said before. I upgraded all my old stuff except a harddrive ( cause everyone loves extra space) and the case. :D

Ok Full, I tried your exact settings and I couldnt get far into the windows startup programs before I got a BSOD! lol. Now when you say a touch more volts to the ram, are you saying give more then what YOU set or I set? I had it at 2.2v for almost all of my testing. I'll try giving it 2.22 or a bit higher...and Ill try dropping the FSB one. BRB with results. =]

[eidairaman1]

you should see my case, its from 2001.

[Viscarious]

update on trying those clocks that full uses. I tried 222fsb, 13.5x multi, vcore 1.375, cpu-nb link 1.8ghz, hypertrans volt 1.3v, southbridge 1.24v, and tried DDRv at 2.2, 2.22, 2.24, 2.26, 2.3. All booted into windows but would either lockup booting startup programs or BSOD when I try to load everest. :cry: I also tried kickin up the vcore a bit too and still couldnt last long in windows. Its prolly my memory. Its not as great as the rest of my system.

[eidairaman1]

update on trying those clocks that full uses. I tried 222fsb, 13.5x multi, vcore 1.375, cpu-nb link 1.8ghz, hypertrans volt 1.3v, southbridge 1.24v, and tried DDRv at 2.2, 2.22, 2.24, 2.26, 2.3. All booted into windows but would either lockup booting startup programs or BSOD when I try to load everest. :cry: I also tried kickin up the vcore a bit too and still couldnt last long in windows. Its prolly my memory. Its not as great as the rest of my system.

adjust your ram timings

[Viscarious]

adjust your ram timings

I think I set it to 800 mhz, 2t enabled, and all the clock settings to auto. Hmm...damnit my memory is terrible. :ohwell:

[Srgtgoat]

Ok my bios is an AMI and the only version number i can come up with is v02.61 on the bottom of the bios main screen (nothing like you were saying Kei in the post screen) (is there a way to slow down the post screen??) downloaded latest ver of bios from Asus and it's the one you mentioned Kei 1002 so i'm a little affraid so flash as i'm not sure it's right. my bios looks just like Fullinfusion's (pic on page before) but mine has "AI Overclock settings" on top fo that page.

i'm at 210/12.5x v1.280 if i up 10 more on fsb won't go into Windows( more volts?)

should i run ganged or unganged on memory ? whats the diff?

think there maybe other settings stopping me , will put some pics up of my bois later and of my case to(going to a SilverStone soon love that case!

thanks, SC,

[CrackerJack]

Ok my bios is an AMI and the only version number i can come up with is v02.61 on the bottom of the bios main screen (nothing like you were saying Kei in the post screen) (is there a way to slow down the post screen??) downloaded latest ver of bios from Asus and it's the one you mentioned Kei 1002 so i'm a little affraid so flash as i'm not sure it's right. my bios looks just like Fullinfusion's (pic on page before) but mine has "AI Overclock settings" on top fo that page.

i'm at 210/12.5x v1.280 if i up 10 more on fsb won't go into Windows( more volts?)

should i run ganged or unganged on memory ? whats the diff?

think there maybe other settings stopping me , will put some pics up of my bois later and of my case to(going to a SilverStone soon love that case!

thanks, SC,

good questions?

i do know ganged (dual channel) unganged (single channel).


Hey Kei- I'm getting a new board Monday, mine fried right after we stop pm-ing.

[Kei]

To check the version of the bios you're using you can check the post screen when you LITERALLY first turn the computer on. Just look in the upper right corner and you'll see a bios number. Another way to check it is to use the program called CPU-Z (if you don't have it get it as it's very useful for information) look at the "Mainboard" tab and it'll show the bios version about halfway down the tab.

If you're not on 1002 then definately flash up to it as it's made for these processor unlike the 802 which was made for the B2 stepping (the 'older' Phenoms) versions and has a few issues.

Memory wise run ganged which is also known in some parts as dual channel mode and is faster than single/unganged mode (64Bit vs. 128Bit).

K

[Kei]

Hey Cracker what ram timings do you have set now that it's on auto?

K

[Viscarious]

Ok Srgt, try this. Go here and download CPU-Z. http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

Once you run it, go to the 'Mainboard' tab and look at the box labeled 'BIOS' and look at the version #. =]

As for overclocking... you might wanna try leaving the FSB at 200 and play with the multi till you cant load windows. Then go back to BIOS and up the voltage a bit and try again. If it continues to fail, then just ran at once of the multis you tried that loaded windows. I wouldnt go past 1.4v either for the CPU. Run your memory ganged for our chip. It just runs better. I remember reading somewhere that its cause the quadcore uses two memory controllers or something of that sorts... lol

Anyways, Kei is the real OCer of phenoms...hes the phenom king! but what I said is a good rule of thumb and prlly somewhat similar to what Kei might say.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: damn I guess Im either a slow typer or Kei was way ahead of me on this post lol.

[CrackerJack]

Hey Cracker what ram timings do you have set now that it's on auto?

K

i was running at 5-5-5-15. with this new board, i'm going do 4-4-4-18 or 12

[Kei]

I'm retarded...thanks Cracker I was reading your post and Viscarious's at the same time and I meant to ask him that. haha :D

K

[Viscarious]

I dont have it set to auto right now. I've saved a OC settign so if I fail at attempting 3.0ghz then I just load a super stable 2.75ghz setting. =] Should I get those timings real quick? Also, do you want 1066mhz auto timings or 800mhz or how should I get info for you

[Kei]

Whichever timings you were using when you had a bsod issue last time. What is your ram speed stock from the factory?

K

[Viscarious]

At 1066mhz its 5-5-5-15 with 2.2v

But when I was testing the 3.0ghz setup Full uses I was running 800mhz with I think auto settings and if I was using any other timings it was 4-4-4-12-16 2t

[Kei]

Try again at 800Mhz but with relaxed 5-5-5-15-21 2T timings

[Viscarious]

what kinda volts? 2.2v and push it by .02 till 2.3v?

[Kei]

Whatever the stock voltage is first then go up from there.

[Viscarious]

:shadedshu

2.2v to 2.3v didnt work. On 2.3v I was able to boot in, load everest and make this...

http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/Untitled759.jpg

The 5-5-5-13 was an accident. Bios was trying to tighen timings and I missed it on that shot. : /

Shortly after saving that it locked up. I was able to boot all the way into windows and through startup programs till 2.3v, then it locked at the Welcome screen. <~ Prolly info no one needs but I dunno. =]

[Kei]

Have you tried it at 15*200 with the exact same voltages yet?

K

[Viscarious]

I think I tried 15x200 but I didnt set the south, north or any other volts. Except maybe the ram's but it would have been 2.2v

[Kei]

See what happens first with 14*200 then move up in .5 multi steps if you can get any of them to work. Use the same voltages you just used for the last test with the ram at 800 5-5-5

K

[Viscarious]

well, 14x200 with all the same settings bsod'd. And you know what... I really dont need to push further then 2.7ghz. I can run everything on my pc just fine so I really dont need to go further with overclocking however, now im going to try to get the lowest volt setup.:rockout: Something I can get some basic older games running like bf2 live for speed and maybe cod4...

So now....Im going back to the beginning of this thread and going to try out some of the perimeters you used, Kei.

;):D

[Kei]

Sweet...funny you mention that as I'm now trying to find what the lowest parameters I can run are with the best speed. Usually when I overclock I take away ~5% of whatever the max clock I get it for that much more stability and to not put so much stress on the hardware...besides name 1 single game or app that has a recommendation for a 3.1Ghz Quad core lol.

I'm still working on it now but I know I can go up to 2.6Ghz on 1.168v Prime95 tested, and I can go up to 2.4Ghz 1.10v so I'm looking to get 2.9Ghz or so with the lowest voltage I can get. If 2.9Ghz requires excessive voltage in comparison with 2.8Ghz then I'll just stick with 2.8Ghz.

For benching of course I'll keep the hat trick setup in the corner since it's 100% stable anyway I just choose not to stress the hardware to that extent when it'll only get me 2-3fps or 2 seconds if that anyway :D.

I'll keep you in the loop, have fun finding your more permanent settings. :)

K

[Kei]

Oh yea, the new 65W Phenom X4 9100e is stock at 1.8Ghz 1.10v and has been clocked up to 2.4Ghz with still 1.10v so I had to see if I can do it...yep no problems as I can go to 2.5Ghz still stable but not 2.6Ghz.

That new low wattage Phenom is seriously efficient, it's almost scary seeing something with specs like that.

K

[Viscarious]

haha, so I went back to the first few posts with you getting 3ghz at those low volts and well...

I seriously have no idea how you pulled that off. :cough: photoshop :cough:

jking but seriously crazy stuff now that I re-read that again. lol

Ok so I've got everything stock and running my mem at a bit lower 800mhz but at a nice and cool 1.8v. Next up is trying to see how low you got as far as ghz and volts but like you just said, keeping speed matched nicely with efficiency.

On a side note...I can feel my room getting cooler!

[Viscarious]

=]

Stock speeds and vcore is at 1.088v. I cant go lower then 1.8v for my memory tho. =[ Im gunna try to get this vcore lower and its seriously getting too cold in my room. Im saving power from overclocking AND A/C! :roll:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080531/flat-air-bed.jpg

brb :D

Oh and could you post your voltage and clocks for your hd3870?

[Viscarious]

How does one set fan speeds for a fan that is getting power from the motherboard? Ie. 3 pin connected...

[Kei]

Haha, I can post CPU-Z validations if you wish of the more ridiculous clocks when I do them :p

As I type I'm sitting at 2.9Ghz at 1.250v after doing a 31 minute AOD stress test (I love the timer in that program:D) and passing with flying colors on 1.265v. Hopefully 1.250v proves sucessful and then I'll possibly put up another AMD Geeks Level 3 stable post again. In order to get one (I already have 1 for my 4800+...well 2 but I didn't submit the 2nd one) you have to post a screenshot with SuperPi and CPU-Z....oh yea and in the same shot 10hours stable stress testing with Prime95 or Orthos (they may be accepting other programs now but I kinda doubt it).

As for the HD3870, I'll assume you mean the max clocks which ummm....well you know how I seem to be magic with hardware so take this and try but don't be shocked if you can't get them.

My max clocks for benching are a staggering 931Mhz Core clock and 1404Mhz (2808Mhz) Memory clock. My max stable all day clocks after backing down are 905Mhz Core clock and 1305Mhz (2610Mhz) Memory clock. All of these are done on a NON hardware modded card using ATi Tray Tools to increase the voltage slightly to 1.30v. I've first set these clocks in ATi Catalyst Control Center by modifying the profile information file I created and then clocking in RivaTuner, but I prefer to use ATi Tray Tools as I think it's a better program and far easier to work with though CCC is very good.

If you don't already have ATi Tray Tools I'd get it as soon as you can and start setting it up. You can clock far further than you can in CCC as the only limits software wise are what you put on yourself in the options (you can set max OC %).

Low clocks I have set right now are 574Mhz Core clock and 774Mhz (1548Mhz) Memory clock running on a miniscule 0.875v (though I've tested lower). I have to set the profile up to drop the voltage to the least tested voltage so far a bit later and I'll let you know what that is as well.

When the card was at the same voltage setting but on 600/1600Mhz I can play Crysis in 1024*768 with the 1.8Ghz Kuma setting on High at ~35-40fps. The only game that doesn't like the Kuma setup is Unreal but that's because it's optimized to use more than just 2 cores so it likes to use up all the CPU power it can get, but you can change that anyway so it's nothing. Everything else...and I mean everything plays just fine. I'm reworking the low power setup like I said earlier to see what I can do with all 4 cores activated on low volts.

Oh and your interwebz stealin cat is plotting against you and your airbed. :D

K

[Kei]

I don't know about doing that as I'm letting my motherboard control the cpu fan speed right now (in the bios in the Hardware Monitor menu at the bottom). If you have a large cpu fan that can spin at less than 800 then make sure you disable the warning otherwise it'll think there is an error when the fan is spinning at low power because of that option. I have it set to optimal and it scales extremly well with temperature.

K

[Viscarious]

Ive got tray tool although I was using CCC's overclock but it doesnt have volt options. However, with tray tools, how do i make a profile? bit of a learning curve to tray tools. : /

Cant see how you do anything with tray tools as far as underclocking and undervolting...I cant go below the stock settings : / I set the underclock % allowed to 50% which was up from 20%.

[Kei]

In ATi Tray tools you just right click on the icon and go to Hardware-->Overclock settings. From there you can do it all, clocking, voltage, fan speeds, benching, stressing, etc.

Set whatever settings you want in there and then click apply, after that just click to two check boxes that say Include in profile (one on the clock screen and one on the fan screen) and hit the disc icon at the bottom to save it. You can also have this start up as the default profile as well.

There is an option that will allow you to "emulate" CCC as well so it may be easier for you to get used to. You'll find it in the Tweaks menu under "Advanced", then go to the top pull down menu and choose CCC Mode Switch and hit enable. That's it and though it won't literally look like it, you'll see what it means by being like CCC. It's nice to have sometimes I think.

2.9Ghz @ 1.25v passed a 30 minute test in AOD so I'm gonna up the other clocks to see what I can get w/o too much voltage. Temps are fantastic right now with that crazy fan in there...40C under 100% load was the top with an average of 39C. It will go up of course once I change the Northbridge and all that jazz, but not by too much. Looks like I'll be just find changing that fan out to a 40CFM model and still getting very good temperatures, I'll test that later though before I decide. So far the 110CFM fan is only 2-3C cooler than the previous 78CFM fan which was 1C cooler than the ~60CFM fan. I figure I'll still be in under 50C with only a 40CFM fan on there which is awesome since 61C is the limit (though I prefer not to go over 50C if possible w/o excessive dBA).

So far so good, I'll keep you guys in the loop.

K

[Viscarious]

http://img.techpowerup.org/080601/damnit.jpg

Am I running an old version or something? I dont see voltage options and the fan control isnt there, but that might be cause Im using a visiontek card.

version 1.3.6.1042

[Viscarious]

Oh and...

http://img.techpowerup.org/080601/damnit948.jpg

:D

[Viscarious]

Ok! Now I have it. Its a beta version you are using Kei. I have it now and am testing settings as, yet AGAIN...I cant get those exact settings you got.

Although...Its cause of the program. I cant see .875v in the volt options and I also cant get below 640 core clock..wtf?

[Kei]

Haha, I was just about to post a link to the newest version (I'm using version 1.47.1171). I don't remember if I actually installed the newest beta or not but either way this version is enough to get the job done.

Sweet clock on the 1.8Ghz setup, I don't know what the lowest voltage I could boot at for 1.8Ghz was, but I know it took me 0.976 to get it 100% stable. I guess I never ran the test at anything under that, but damn that's a nice clock. I imagine I could get it or at least close if I went after it considering I can do 1.6Ghz as low as 0.862v before I run out of multipliers and voltage options.

I just finished (about 10-15min ago) another 30 minute AOD test on 2.9Ghz 1.25v but this time I upped the Northbridge to 2.2Ghz still using 1.20v. I guess I'm gonna try to lower that voltage again as well. I know that 1.8Ghz is fine at 1.15v and I think I remember it fine at 1.10v so I'll see how close I can get to 1.15v but I think I might need more with the clock at 2.2Ghz.

I'll do the same for the HT Link but still using 1.20v as the next step up is 1.30v and I'd rather leave it stock then go to that for such a small overclock (2.2Ghz).

Haven't messed with the ram again but since I'm using the GeIL in there as well I won't be going very far on it as it's 800Mhz ram and not 1150Mhz ram though I know it's 100% stable all the way up to 1000Mhz. I'm leaving the HT Bus speed stock though as it goes best with the rest of the clocks I've got set so I'll try the GeIL at 1066Mhz again and see what happens.

K

[eidairaman1]

the guy that Devs Tray tools, needs a Team just like ATITool does, there is so much coding and driver revisions that the tweak apps need to be able to adjust to those new drivers.

[Viscarious]

Just got out a LiveForSpeed and I ran it at max settings and it ran super smooth. 70FPS avg. I got out of the game and Im at 29C.

Heading to bed now as I need to be up in 8 hours to drive 120 miles. Oh boy! Fun! >.>

[Srgtgoat]

ok ,cpuz says AMI ver 0503 , should i flash with the 1002 that i got from asus?

i'll change to ganged on the mem, should i mess with my ran settings or just stick to playing with the cpu clocks for now only? speaking of which, will the bios flash help me in the way that i can't go more an just 210/12.5x , i just bump it up to 220 and can't get to windows, see the windows load screen then goes blank?

here's a pic of my rig , hope i uploaded right?

yeah Vis, played LFS a bunch back in the day(when i had an isp that could do it) moved to the sticks and now i'm counting my latency with a sun dial, flipping satellite!!


SG,

[eidairaman1]

make sure you select your specific motherboard, id suggest looking at the bios versions and compare, i am unsure about newer bios including everything previously, perhaps someone can confirm this or not

[Kei]

Holy lord...I can't believe you're still on the 503 bios and it even booted at all! I didn't even think this cpu was supported with that bios but hey I learned something new today.

Right then, get on the website and make sure that you got the bios from out specific motherboard which is indeed named 1002 bios version. I don't believe there are others that are using the same number but still better be safe than dumb.

You should definately get some extra performance out of the processor once you flash up, do you even have all of the clocking options in the bios right now? Can you change multipliers for the cpu, ht link , AND the northbridge with the 503? I guess you probably can as this is an AM2+ board anyway but still. *shrugs*

Let me know once you've got the bios flash done and all is well. Once you do start clocking again though please start with the cpu multiplier only as it's the easiest and preferred way to overclock a cpu which is why these are special pieces. Normally AMD processors only come with the multiplier unlocked downwards (if you start with 11x you can go downward, but not up to 11.5x) which is good for getting a higher HT Bus speed through overclocking but it harder on everything else especially the motherboard as it was designed to run at only 200Mhz not higher. Since we have a multiplier that's unlocked both down and up so we don't have to risk unstability overclocking anything else if we don't have to.

K

[Kei]

On another note I just stopped a stability test running overnight and am now checking it's true stability. For those that don't know what that means...

Steps to a stable cpu

1. Try your settings and run a quick 10-30 minute stability program of your choice
2. After finding good settings run a full bore stability test for 8-10 hours straight
3. After completion of the 8-10 hour test immediately begin using the pc for daily tasks and/gaming usage for approx. .5-2 hours.

Number 3 is the most important part of stability testing as even though you pass the big test the hardest part on the computer is immediately after the test and going back to normal usage without freezing.

I'm in that stage right now after doing another full on test but this time I put a twist on it to put the system under completly ridiculous stress just to see if it's work...

I first opened two instances of MemTest and set them both for 1200Mb each, second opened Everest System Stability Test and selected all but the memory and harddrive, third I opened Cinebench R9.5 for the multi processor test. I hit start on the two MemTest instances first, then immediately hit start on Everest, and finally start on the Cinebench test. 9 1/2 hours later I finally stopped the tests and I'm using the computer to make sure all is well.

That is a completely uncalled for amount of testing, but I wanted to get every drop of stress I could since Prime95 & AOD leave just a bit too much free ram for my tastes.

Normally the Cinebench R9.5 test takes approximately 14-15 seconds at this cpu speed (2.9Ghz, I know it was 14 seconds for 3Ghz last time I ran it), but with all this stress the test finally finished at a staggering 2 hours 3 minutes 7 seconds! All of the stability programs passed with no errors over then entire time they ran.

So far so good no problems even now 26 minutes after the test screenshot was taken (during the test).

K

[Kei]

Oh yea, for the guys who've been away I've backed the cpu down about 5% from the max clock I can achieve stable (3.1Ghz) as I normally do. Now I'm working on getting the 5% clock with the lowest voltage I can get to ensure everything stays nice and cool and I'm not wasting energy or overvolting.

Viscarious is doing the samething too :)

I'm sitting at 2.9Ghz 1.250v no problems at all which is better than 3Ghz at 1.3-1.35v and runs extremely cool. The max temp during that test was 41C except when I was opening the other programs and it touched 44C, but while the tests was actually going the temp was 41C 100% stable.

Considering that I'm 99% certain that I can put a low(er) 40CFM fan on the processor and still be easily under 50C and make absolutely no noise at 10dBA. During this test there was a 110CFM fan mounted which is approximately 2-3C cooler than the 78CFM that was there which is 1C cooler than the ~60CFM that is started off with. Even with the ~60CFM fan the temperature was only 48C with the processor and voltage set at 3Ghz at 1.35v so this new fan should still run it perfectly even if it gained 7-8C it still wouldn't be at 50C.

This is gonna be one quiet case!

K

[Kei]

Damn you BestBuy! They're killing my patience on waiting til the new cards come out to pick up a second card. I'm still somewhat undecided on whether or not to get one of the newer cards or to just pick up a second 3870 or 3870x2...then they go and put their Visiontek card on sale for (Viscarious you'll be pissed about now) $129 w/o mail-in rebates!

That's a really really really really hard deal to pass up considering I really want a second video card. The only things I think I need left are a second video card and a really good sound card to be done with the system.

So what do you guys think...wait 17 days and buy either a 4800 series card or extra 3800 series card (3850, 3870, 3870x2) on the cheap or buy now? Hard choices indeed...

Hmm...I wonder how cheap the 3850 cards will be once the newer cards hit the market, guess it's time to start benchmark surfing again. If they get cheap enough I could buy 2 of those cards to add to the system...very interesting indeed.

K

[Viscarious]

So I just got back from my trip. Got up early to beat sunday retreat home traffic so I had 0 problems getting to my destination, however, on the way home I ran into stop'n'go traffic three times. I saw some really cool wrecks today. =] Oh and a new mustang that got totaled. <~ woot at that cause Im a Camaro guy.

48xx is how much better? If its like running two 38xx's then sure,wait. But if not then I'd say just get my card but at half the price I paid. FFS thats so lame.

So whats the final settings you got to work on that tweak you just did? I've settled on 1.8ghz at a nibbling 0.928v with my memory running 4-4-4-10-16-1t @ 1.8v. Everything is awesomely stable and runs games well enough for me! Surfs web fine and boots what seems faster then at stock and overclocked settings. That part is really weird.

The only problem I'm having is with ATI tray tools. Everytime I save the power settings (core, mem, and volt), it resets the core and mem. And I STILL dont have an option to get to the 0.xxx volts that you can on your tray tools. The lowest I can select is 1.006v. :cry:

[Kei]

That's what I'm wondering...if the 4800 series really IS better than running two 3800 series cards then I'd like one of those. If it's not then I just want another 3800 series card to put in the system. Right now I'm thinking I may just get another 3800 series card as I suppose I don't actually need a 4800 series card it's just something I 'want' but I guess won't have any real use for besides benchmarking.

My sensible side is saying it's gonna do me about as good as my 3.1Ghz setting on the Phenom, it's not gonna change the world...actually you may not even notice it at all. I also don't know what technical issues will be there when the new cards come out (driver issues, software issues, etc.) so it might be smart to go with the sure bet instead of the new latest and greatest.

Not to mention nobody knows whether or not Crossfire will work properly between 3800 and 4800 series cards, I can only imagine the scores you could get with a setup like this. I guess the one I'm interested in the most is the 4870 which won't be out for bit longer anyway...Tuesday just might be the day I finally have a 'full' spider.

K

Btw, I'm still running after that stability test with no problems. I'd say it's stable now after hours of use w/o a reset or a problem. ;) What happened with your setup or did you just go to sleep last night instead?

[Viscarious]

I edited my post above with the info. Then I saw you post. And everything is answered there. =]

[Kei]

Did you click the tab on the screen that says include clocks in profile (same thing with the fan settings), THEN hit apply at the bottom of the screen to actually change the clocks. After that you can hit save and it'll save them all. As for the voltage you have to add the other numbers yourself.

Just click the "..." next to the (haha that looks like a face...sorry:D) voltage option and input your own. Start with something just a little lower though so that you don't make too large a jump and crash without learning anything. I started with .975 and then went down the ladder.

I'm trying the Crysis demo on the settings I just told you about right now.

K

[Viscarious]

Awesome! I though that might have been it but I didnt want to mess with something called 'VDDM' inside a program in windows without knowing exactly what it does. :D

I've got the .975 running ok. Ima try out a simple game and be back in 10 or so. =]

[Kei]

I hate Crysis...it has to be one of the worst coded games I've played in a long time. Okay so maybe it's not that bad (it's close) but I'm watching my cpu usage while playing at 1280*720 (720p) on my monitor so I can keep it in a window and still see all the temps and usage. Well with everything running in the background the damn total cpu usage is still only 30%?!? I have 4 freakin cores and while I know it's not a quadcore game it could AT LEAST use up 2 of them like the other dual core games. Unreal 3...kills it in dual core mode (90-99% all day), in quad mode it uses a bit of the third core as well. Everything else I play uses plenty of power but Crysis just leaves it on the table. Perhaps there is a setting somewhere in the universe I haven't enabled that will actually use some of the power the game requires.

With that said, the game runs just fine at this setting averaging 35fps and 38C temps on the processor with 65C on the HD3870 also clocked (905/2610Mhz). The test was on Very High settings for everything except for Post Processing which was set to Medium because the motion blur gets on my nerves slightly...High isn't bad though.

I'm gonna play some Unreal for just a few to see how that works out (I'm calling 60fps right now no problems).

K

[Viscarious]

I just got done with some more awesome rally racing and ran at about 50-70fps the whole time. I saw 50 being the lowest. Onto COD4! :O

Do you know if I move my soundcard down a PCI slot, will it mess up settings or anything at all? I wanna move it down so that I can put this card fan in to blow air to to the video card and up to the rest of the PC.

[Kei]

Sweet...do you happen to be a GTR2 fan?

K

[Viscarious]

Gran Turismo Racing? oh and re-read my other post just above this

[Kei]

Nope, I mean a driving simulator called GTR2 (no abbreviation). As for the sound card I don't think you'll have any problems at all moving it down a slot. And the cooling is definately worth moving it. :)

K

[Kei]

Hey Vis, have you tried hitting 3Ghz on the Kuma setup (X2) yet? Since you've been able to get 'the same' low voltage clocks I can get why not try hitting 3Ghz on just 2 cores to see if it'll work?

I just checked back through the thread and I could hit 3Ghz in very low volts (1.20, 1.21v 100% stable) with 2 cores. That's put your chip at ~68W according to the dual core theory I put on the previous page.

I'm gonna check what the usage is again real quick to see how 3Ghz stacks up in dual core mode compared to the other numbers for energy usage (total system watts).

K

[cdawall]

how cool is this phenom is better clock for clock @ higher resolutions that C2Q!

http://www.xcpus.com/forums/motherboard-cpu-articles/12257-lost-planet-battle-ground-when-cpu-gpu-collide.html?garpg=5

http://www.xcpus.com/gallery/d/6455-1/Figure+3-+Phenom9850_vs_QX9650_Snow.jpg

[Kei]

I remember seeing that :), it's been said many times by myself and others that AMD processors while technically slower overall than some of the Intel processors play games much better. I really do believe that throughout all of my experiences. Nothing taken away from them at all because they're very good as well, but the AMD's just run 'better' to me, not faster just 'better'.

K

[cdawall]

I remember seeing that :), it's been said many times by myself and others that AMD processors while technically slower overall than some of the Intel processors play games much better. I really do believe that throughout all of my experiences. Nothing taken away from them at all because they're very good as well, but the AMD's just run 'better' to me, not faster just 'better'.

K

peole on XS are thinking its cause of lower lats with the memory and a faster interconnect speed ie HT vs FSB

[Kei]

Okay I just booted up a ran a quick test at 3Ghz in Kuma X2 mode. I'm at 1.216v (didn't bother with 1.20v this time) and my stats are as follows...

Idle --> 172W
Julia --> 201W

With comparisons... (stock, low power X2 1.8Ghz 0.912v setting, and new X2 3Ghz 1.216v setting)

Idle specs
ST 210W
LP 148W
NS 172W


Everest Julia specs
ST 264W
LP 156W
NS 201W

That's not bad at all considering the 3Ghz setting is 69W compared to the 1.8Ghz 45W setting. Temps of course are of no concern as they're too low for me to even care about as usual even with the fan on uber low.

I'm gonna try out the 2.9Ghz setting as well which would be 55W at 1.10v if I can do it. It may require slightly more voltage...maybe less but I guess I'll see.

K

[Kei]

I agree with the others over at XS as those do make a very large difference and are AMD's saving grace at this time. I can only imagine how good AM3 will be :D

K

[Kei]

Okay 2.9Ghz 1.15v (haven't tried lower yet) 59W worth of greatness...

Idle specs
ST --> 210W
LP --> 148W
NS --> 165W

Everest Julia specs
ST --> 264W
LP --> 156W
NS --> 190W

That's an even sweeter deal than the 3Ghz setup and I may be able to go just a hair lower on voltage, but I'm not sure yet.

On another note I just remembered my brother is paying me back $50 he owes me this week...hmmm HD3870 for $80 out of pocket expense? I don't think I can find a deal better than that if I tried...well except getting a friend who works at BestBuy to buy it for me and then I don't even know what the price would be.

K

[Viscarious]

Hmm. No, I didnt try the 3ghz lower volt kuma. However the LP setup Im using just ran COD4 perfectly! I had 40-50 FPS the whole time. I never got a spike or anything. Runs great!

Ok, so. How much wattage is the 1.8ghz@0.928v setup? and in comparison, with the 2.9 or 3ghz?

[Viscarious]

Oh and should I do 15x or 240x12.5?

[Kei]

According to the way I'm checking them now you'd be at a whopping 24W (theory on the page back). I was using a different way to measure them before but it just doesn't seem accurate once I start to put some more math into it remembering the amount of cores. If I went on the old way then you'd be at 46W which wouldn't quite make sense to me...and further crazyness to the theory...

If my 2.9Ghz is rated according to the X4 125W theory then right now I'd be at 114W processor only and stock being 125W. That doesn't make sense as you see by the total system wattage numbers and the setting I'm using right now being 45W less power at idle which is far larger than 11W between 125/114. Now I'm going to do a test at X2 2.5Ghz with the stock 1.296v and see what readings I get.

K

[Kei]

15*200 as it'll take far less voltage to do so.

[CrackerJack]

cdawall: check this out
http://www.xcpus.com/forums/motherboard-cpu-articles/12257-lost-planet-battle-ground-when-cpu-gpu-collide.html?garpg=2

Here's the screenshot QX9650
http://www.xcpus.com/gallery/d/6250-1/Intel_X38_QX9650_2500_7_5x333_800_5_LostPlanet_720 x406_R1.JPG

9850
http://www.xcpus.com/gallery/d/6341-1/AMD_790FX_9850BE_2500_12_5x200_2000_800_5_lost_pla net_960x600_r1.JPG

I believe the cpuz was pasted in the pic. But I might be wrong?!?!?

[Kei]

According to the way I'm checking them now you'd be at a whopping 24W (theory on the page back). I was using a different way to measure them before but it just doesn't seem accurate once I start to put some more math into it remembering the amount of cores. If I went on the old way then you'd be at 46W which wouldn't quite make sense to me...and further crazyness to the theory...

If my 2.9Ghz is rated according to the X4 125W theory then right now I'd be at 114W processor only and stock being 125W. That doesn't make sense as you see by the total system wattage numbers and the setting I'm using right now being 45W less power at idle which is far larger than 11W between 125/114. Now I'm going to do a test at X2 2.5Ghz with the stock 1.296v and see what readings I get.

K

Okay so I'm at 2.5Ghz 1.296v stock settings but in Kuma X2 mode and here are my numbers...

Idle 176W
Julia 203W

So I'd say it's pretty obvious that we have to account for the cores by using another AM2 cpu (I usually use the 4800+ as it was already 2.5Ghz stock). We can't use the 6400+ which is 125W chip because we'd end up at 125W which obviously isn't the case. But if we use the 4800+ numbers then we'd be at 65W which is far more likely (I'll have to test the setup I build for my brother I guess) and once clocked we'd be able to get a good reference from there.

So with that said right it makes perfect sense that the 2.9Ghz setting is indeed 59W as the idle wattage was 165W and load was 190W. Compared to the 2.5Ghz setting which would be 65W the idle was 176W (11W more) and 203W (13W more). Considering the calculated wattage is 6W higher compared to 2.9Ghz (65W-59W) it's on very good faith that I say that your 1.8Ghz setting is indeed a crazy 24W and mine (.916v) is 23W.

Damn those are some crazy numbers...for us to achieve true 45W power we could try the following speeds......

2.5Ghz @ 1.08v
2.2Ghz @ 1.15v

2.7Ghz @ 1.088v would give us 50W and be damn fast as well

I think I'll stick with 2.9Ghz @1.15v for now and see if I can knock anything off of that to lower the wattage a bit. I highly doubt I can hit 55W with this as I'd need to get 1.11v and I just don't see that happening considering it takes 1.088v just to get 2.7Ghz to run and that's barely any more volts for a pretty large jump in clock speed. I think the best I can hope for is 56/57W at 1.14 or 1.13v but even that is pushing it.

Still damn good though...damn good indeed.

K

Edit: I'm at 2.9Ghz 1.136v (rounding it to 1.14v gives me 57W) passed 15 minutes of the ridiculous torture test I mention earlier with only 186W put out and sitting at 164W while I'm typing this so I'd consider that idle.

[Viscarious]

Hrmm.. this is becoming a bit confusing as far as very to remember the settings and volts lol

I'm running 2.2ghz @ 1.12v right now. Unless you mixed up those numbers in your last post, I've got you beat. Oh and its also got a nb freq of 2.2ghz. =]

As for attempting 3ghz. Its impossible on this machine. There is SOMETHING preventing me from reaching it. I could clear post but when it got to the screen asking if I wanted to boot windows normally or not, it would freeze up. I got up to 1.3v before giving up. Oh well. I tried 2.9ghz too at 1.25v but it locked up and bsod'd me as I was typing a response. I love when that happens.

[Kei]

That sucks, so I guess I got you beat with 2.9Ghz at 1.136v :D I never tried the 2.2Ghz setting I was just saying what would mathmatically equal 45W to give you a ballpark of what kinda range you could use.

K

[Viscarious]

Ok, nvm on that last tid bit as far as posting new clocks. Right after I posted that I locked. lol...

damnit

[Viscarious]

2.9ghz at 1.136v? Are you serious? What exactly do you set that to? I prolly couldnt get 2.7 off that voltage

edit: 100th post :O

[Kei]

Here's a shot of the CPUID info from Everest that I'm sitting on right now. I ran 15 minutes worth of the crazy stability test I spoke of earlier to see if it was even worth trying and it's passed with flying colors. Now I'm running on it w/o a reset to see if it'll fail during normal use before I give the full stress test a go maybe tomorrow or tonight when I sleep.

K

[Viscarious]

huh, thats a bit odd.

I just tested the super low volt setup we use, and it ran Guitar Hero 3 on max settings at 1400x900 at a locked FPS of 60. Didnt go up, didnt go down. Was wicked to see that as it was one of the reasons I upgraded my PC from an AMD 3800+ with a ATI X800XL lol :D

The wierd thing about that is, I think Im running on a weaker setup then my old PC but its playing all the games way better and at way less power. This is seriously, the best combination of hardware I've ever owned. Wouldnt trade it for anything. Except maybe a 69 Camaro SS.

[Kei]

Haha, sweet but remember that the Phenom is FAR more efficient than any other AMD cpu at the same clock speeds. That's why we can run at lower clocks and still do what they can or better. Name another processor that could play Crysis at 1.8Ghz on High at 35fps at 1024*768...oh yea with a 600/800Mhz clocked video card. :D

K <---still chilling no issues 2.9Ghz 1.136v

[Viscarious]

yea.... I couldnt do 2.9ghz. : /

tried up to 1.2v and then gave up. Oh well. I love 1.8ghz LP mode! :D

[Kei]

Amen, all hail LP mode :D

So for the record what was the highest clock you were able to achieve stable?

K

[CrackerJack]

Viscarious- have you tried using auto clock inside of AOD. I did it before my board crap out, i got up to 2.6ghz stock volts. if you do this, it will take it's sweet ass time. just a warning

[Kei]

While we're on the subject of AOD, have you tried clocking in it at all? It's actually quite good and you may be able to find a clock you couldn't previously hit before. Then again you might not either so it may not be worth it considering you've got more than enough power right now anyway.

K

[CrackerJack]

While we're on the subject of AOD, have you tried clocking in it at all?
K

me or Viscarious

[Kei]

Vis

[CrackerJack]

hey Vis what are your temps at stock? idle and load? (with AOD)

[eidairaman1]

what is AOD?

[CrackerJack]

AMD OverDrive

[cdawall]

AMD OverDrive

it doesn't work on my mobo it crashes out :cry:

[CrackerJack]

it doesn't work on my mobo it crashes out :cry:

dude it did the same to me, but it work fine when i had the 9850 in. so i guess it's just the cpu.

[Viscarious]

I had AOD but I installed vista 32 bit and just havnt got it back yet. I remember letting it try to autoclock and it took ten minutes to raise the FSB to 201. I canceled and went back into bios to do it myself.

And to answer you, Crackerjack, under 1.8ghz( 200x9) with 0.928v I sit at 28C idle and under the heaviest of apps, a sizzling 30C. As for my other clock speeds that are actual overclocks, I remember getting a stable 2.7~ghz with 2.4ghz FB freq with 1.325volts. Actually, Im not quite sure what my absolute best overclock was. I didnt write it down or save a SS.

And for your Q's, Kei, did you mean highest stable clock with min volt? No, I havnt tried clocking with AOD inside windows cause I'd expect the system to just lock up and crash if I moved anything.

Heres a quick post, brb.

[CrackerJack]

I had AOD but I installed vista 32 bit and just havnt got it back yet. I remember letting it try to autoclock and it took ten minutes to raise the FSB to 201. I canceled and went back into bios to do it myself.


something isn't right! i got to 212 in 5min, i thought that was long.

[Viscarious]

:shrug:

Yea, I dunno what it was doing but it would take weeks to get to 3ghz. If it could even get that lucky.

[Bytor]

I run 24/7 now at 3.1 ghz @ 1.36 vcore with no problems.

All my OCing is done in AOD.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2ekklkp.jpg

[Viscarious]

wow... thats pretty, overboard lol

[Kei]

So far 'graphics card cheatin' Bytor is the only person on the forums besides myself to hit 3.1Ghz. I'm not 100% sure why the rest of you haven't been able to hit 3Ghz just yet, but I know he and I are on really good cooling systems. Also CJ also has the same cooling as me so he might be able to hit the same clocks.

Can the fan on that Zalman be changed out for a better flowing one? Also Vis, can you try doing 3Ghz on 1.4v in Kuma X2 mode for me? I'm very curious on whether or not you'll be able to do so and if not what's stopping you. Leave the ram at 800 5-5-5-15-21 on a healthy dose of voltage and everything else set to auto.

Also CJ try the samething in Dual Core mode to see if you can hit 3Ghz. Most of the chips I've seen can hit 3Ghz whether it's 100% stable or not is a different matter. Even though I hit higher than that I still only use 2.9Ghz as it's less voltage (significantly) and heat as well, plus it's close enough that it doesn't matter anyway.

K

[CrackerJack]

i'll have my board monday or tuesday, so i'll be working on oc/ing the cpu as soon as i can.

[Bytor]

'graphics card cheatin' Bytor WTF??? Cheatin....

Hell they had them on sale for $129 so I grabbed a 3rd one. lolz

[Kei]

CJ, which board are you getting...the ASUS or the Gigabyte board? I know in your specs you list the 790FX Gigy but I'm not sure if you already have it or that's the one that's on the way.

K

[Bytor]

'graphics card cheatin' Bytor WTF??? Cheatin....

Hell they had them on sale for $129 so I grabbed a 3rd one. lolz

This Phenom 9850 is so easy to get to 3.0 using AOD.

How the hell did I quote myself lolzz

[Kei]

'graphics card cheatin' Bytor WTF??? Cheatin....

Hell they had them on sale for $129 so I grabbed a 3rd one. lolz

Haha, the world is such an unfair place. I think they should raise the price on your next time:laugh:

K

[CrackerJack]

CJ, which board are you getting...the ASUS or the Gigabyte board? I know in your specs you list the 790FX Gigy but I'm not sure if you already have it or that's the one that's on the way.

K

yeah i changed it, i'm getting the 790FX (Gigy)

[Kei]

I agree, I had absolutely no issues getting to 3.0Ghz and the first time I tried it was in AOD as well just to see if it'd work. While every processor is not the same I still think that you guys can at least hit 2.9Ghz or so without very much trouble/voltage as long as we try with the multipliers only before bothering with anything else.

K

[Kei]

I've heard that Gigy is a good board too, it was one of my 3 options when I was upgrading along with the DFI DK board. In then end...well I'm a pretty big fan of ASUS stuff so that's what I went with, plus I think it's the most well rounded out of all the boards. The layout on that Gigy is really nice though I think, and it has loads of features as well so it's just as good but.....the ASUS is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much prettier :D

K

[Bytor]

Haha, the world is such an unfair place. I think they should raise the price on your next time:laugh:

K


Yeah yeah....

Just need a AM2 MB now to get my second rig up and running. Going to throw my old 6000+ that runs great at 3.553 ghz, 2 extra sticks of Crucial Balistix PC2-8500 memory, and this 3rd 3870 video card.

Looking at getting another M2R32-MVP MB for this rig. Sold mine a couple months back and now wish I didn't.

[CrackerJack]

we all seem to have the same setup: Me, Kei, Bytor and Vis

790fx boards
pretty much the same psu, which we all have enough power
but cooling i think might be holding Vis back. Bytor has no problem (water of coarse) Me and Kei have the same cooling, and his got 3ghz (I haven't got just because of my board, not the cpu)

[Kei]

Why not throw it on one of the 790 boards, they run far cooler, are newer, and from what I've seen and done they can overclock an AM2 chip like mad! I'm still staggered by the HT Bus clocks I've done and seen on the 790 boards when used with an AM2 chip. It's almost like Intel FSB numbers...well okay it's not 500 but still it's hugely high indeed.

Even on the X4 I was able to hit a 100% stable 275Mhz HT Bus and went up to 286Mhz with no problems. Using a slightly lesser 4800+ I was able to go all the way up to 306Mhz HT Bus on just a 790X board which doesn't clock nearly as good as a 790FX board.

K

[Kei]

I agree on the cooling thing, with very good cooling you can overclock a processor far further and less voltage (prolly why I can do it oh so well) than on a warmer setup. When I was overclocking my old 4800+ a while ago I was using the stock cooling and could 'only' achieve 2.909Ghz on a super high 1.52v. I tried 3Ghz 1.55v but during stability testing it lasted only 6 seconds (literally) before bsod.

With the same processor on the same board I changed nothing but the thermal paste (Artic Silver Ceramique...my favorite) dropped the temps nearly 10C which is huge. After that I hit 2.975Ghz perfectly stable on only 1.50v...and tried 3Ghz again on the same voltage and it lasted 6 minutes and about 30 seconds before simply getting an error and stopping. No bsod, no freezing, no nothing it just kept working. I laughed and moved on as I didn't really care about the extra 25Mhz anyway so it wasn't worth going any higher voltage wise.

Either way good cooling goes at LOOOOONG way I'd say. I'm sure if I was on some uber chilly water I could get that 3.4Ghz to boot all the way into windows and run, I just prefer air as it's the hard way. :D

I say change out that fan if you can or add some ventilation/exhaust to the case and help that processor out. What kinda paste are you using anyway...don't say stock cuz I'll beat you up and take your lunch money. :p

My setup gets cooler by the day it seems since I keep working on optimizing the flow of air and you guys have seen my temps w/o water which are nothing short of phenomimal. <---heh I made a funny

K

[Kei]

Oh yea, before I forget to say it we all have to remember that while the Phenom isn't guaranteed to hit any higher than 2.5Ghz there is also something more important that influences that speed.

NOT ONE of our boards are certified to hit anything more than 140W TDP (and that's only us ASUS guys right now) and even 3Ghz at stock 1.30v is 150W which is higher than any of our boards are advertised to hit anyway. 3.2Ghz is 160W and 3.4Ghz is a staggering 170W so that's a lot to ask of these boards rated only for 125W.

Sure the processor can prolly do it, but can the board even support that?

K

[Viscarious]

hrmmm... I dont see how Im not on a good cooling setup. This zalman HS/F is freakin huge and from what I've seen shouldnt effect speeds. Iunno tho. with 1.8ghz, Im at 28c lol but as far as higher clocks go, I dont think its gotten over 50c load.

[Kei]

That's not bad temps, is that with Cpu Tweak enabled? My temps are definately lower than that even under 100% load and Cpu Tweak. That cooler though is a good one but what about the rest of your case setup? How is the actual airflow inside the case, any obstructions, how many and more importantly where are the fans in the case, etc.

The Zalman isn't going to cool as good as the Xigmatek we already know that much, but I bet you can run cooler still than what you're at right now considering I'm at lower with higher volts. What kinda thermal paste did you use and how much might I ask? O.o

K

[Kei]

Interesting fact...2 out of 3 users with Phenoms I'm helping can't get 2.9Ghz. The only one that can is Bytor and he's using water so his cooling is far superior anyway. Another funny fact...the other two that can't do it yet are also both using Zalman 9000 series coolers haha. ;)

K

[CrackerJack]

Viscarious- but what are the temps at 2.5ghz (fully stock, clocks and temps).

[Bytor]

Interesting fact...2 out of 3 users with Phenoms I'm helping can't get 2.9Ghz. The only one that can is Bytor and he's using water so his cooling is far superior anyway. Another funny fact...the other two that can't do it yet are also both using Zalman 9000 series coolers haha. ;)

K

Are they trying to OC in Bios?

If so have them try in AOD. I find that much easier to OC in.

[CrackerJack]

Are they trying to OC in Bios?

If so have them try in AOD. I find that much easier to OC in.

i had no luck in bios with my 790x, but with AOD was really easy. But with 790fx i'm going do the same thing with AOD, then use those same settings in the bios

[Viscarious]

back, Kei, couldnt do 1.4v kuma 3ghz. tried 1.3, 1.35, 1.4.

with 1.4 i get the furthest with actually loading the vista bar with the lil green lines then it crashed. :cry:

I used arctic silver 5 and I used a rice grain sized glob but I spread it before smacking the heatsink on there.

And yes, Im pretty sure that 'CPU tweak' is enabled in the BIOS menu. Always. On all my testing.

[Kei]

I see, maybe it's time you guys do try AOD like Bytor and see what you can get that way. I just noticed that my temps on 2.9Ghz 1.136v at idle are about 1-2C higher than your 1.8Ghz results with cpu tweak enabled and the fan blowing at only 623rpm out of 2000rpm.

AOD does seem to be really easy to overclock in and I use it when I want to test a setting instead of multiple resets to the bios over and over. That way I only get a single bsod instead of risking a bunch of them.

K

[Viscarious]

alright.

Not sure how amd overdrive makes any diff but I'll give it a shot. I'm going to draw up some 'schematics' of my case to show, maybe you can help me out if I overlooked something...

[Kei]

Hey Vis, have you used the onboard sound at all since getting the board? What do you think of it compared to your soundcard now? I'm going to be upgrading somewhat soon, but the onboard is so damn good I feel as though I can wait just a little longer and focus on the video setup and a few other things first.

I'm almost 100% certain I'll be buying that 3870 since my brother is giving me $50 this week anyway he owes me, so the next thing to buy will be either Vista64 and two more Patriot sticks or a new soundcard. I'm still not sure if I'm gonna go with 4Gigs or 6Gigs just yet (still using Patriot ram just mixing 1066 and 1150).

K

[Kei]

I'm sure it's warmer in that case than mine by a pretty LARGE margin, but you're on a smaller mid tower case anyway so it's harder to cool anyway. But of course if you're willing to do some work...which could require cutting on your case then we can make it cooler. But I can FULLY understand if you don't want to cut as that is a PRETTY ASS CASE!

K

[Bytor]

i had no luck in bios with my 790x, but with AOD was really easy. But with 790fx i'm going do the same thing with AOD, then use those same settings in the bios

The only problem with BIOS OCing on these processors is that you cant OC each core alone.

I have found that on my 9850 Core2 is my problem. I can only get it stable at 2.8 ghz, so OCing in BIOS is limited to 2.8 ghz.

In AOD I OC the cores as follows:

Core0: 3.0, Core1: 3.1, Core2: 2.8, Core3: 2.9

[Kei]

Indeed, that's the HUGE advantage to using AOD, it's nice to know that core is your problem so maybe I shoulda pointed that out earlier. I remember on my 9500 my core that would clock the lowest was core 2.

I haven't tried to see which is the lowest core on this processor as I haven't really had any problems at all.

K

[Bytor]

alright.

Not sure how amd overdrive makes any diff but I'll give it a shot. I'm going to draw up some 'schematics' of my case to show, maybe you can help me out if I overlooked something...

Try this Vis.

Open AOD and click the performance control tab.

Uncheck Select all cores ( left side halfway down)

Now find the core multiplier sliders and change them a little to try and find how high you can go. There is one for each core.

You may have to bump the Vcore up some, but first try it with out doing so. (the first slider to the right of the multiplier sliders)

When you get it set just hit apply and wait for the settings to take.

I had to mess around with it till I found my 9850's sweet spot. Alot of lockups and restarts.

Just leave the other setting at default for now and see what you get.


http://i25.tinypic.com/2zdvucm.jpg

[Viscarious]

omg, thats amazing! TY so much Bytor! I will try this right away! :D

Heres some crappy MS paint skillz to show airflow. I did this in 5 min so f-off. =]

BACK: http://img.techpowerup.org/080601/Case - back.jpg
OVERHEAD: http://img.techpowerup.org/080601/Case - corner.jpg
FRONT: http://img.techpowerup.org/080601/Case - front.jpg
SIDE: http://img.techpowerup.org/080601/Case - Side.jpg

Mk...back, also a side note when using AOD...set all settings in the jumperfree menu to auto or default. : /

INSTA-CRASH!

[Viscarious]

I dont have the side fan running right now cause its a LED fan and kinda loud so its unplugged. Oh and stock speeds and volts is 38C

Oh and also Kei, would you say the onboard sound card is equal if not better then the SB audigy 2 gamer...I just had this since my last PC so...I threw it in there lol :P

[Bytor]

I only use onboard sound cards. Don't want to waste a slot on one. lolz.

Here are some pic's of my cooling mods Vis.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2j3nneb.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/14nh3rd.jpg

[Viscarious]

ok...what are all those fans for? and why so freakin' many? Are those stacked up twice!?

Oh and what is this 'AMD LIVE!' setting in BIOS?

[Viscarious]

If I move the 12.5x slider to 13x on the first bar, my system crashs. Instantly after accepting the AMD is not responsible agreement.

[eidairaman1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Live!

[Viscarious]

oh, wait. I just was able to move the 2nd core up to 13x. 1st core doesnt like anything higher then 12.5 I guess. Going to try more stuff out.

will be in the loop as Kei says

[Kei]

Sweet, let us know what you can get. As for the soundcard I was actually asking if you've tried the onboard and how good do you think it is compared to the card you have in there right now. I personally think the onboard sound is really good (best onboard I've ever heard by far).

I'll still be changing it up later on as I like dedicated sound cards plus since I'm using this pc as a super multi do everything setup I need to make sure that watching my movies is in 1000% perfection. The onboard does a wonderful job but I know the difference a good...no great soundcard can do. I'm looking at the ASUS (haha) Xonar cards right now as they're gorgeous looking and PCI as well (well the DX2 or DX is anyway). I have to have one that does either Coaxial or Optical out as I have my computer hooked into my surround sound that I use for my XB360 and everything else. I do use headphones at night though only, but 99% of my sound is provided by my reciever and I'm about to buy another one but with 7.1 sound this time as I'm only using 5.1 because the 360 only supports that high. With the PC doing my movie duties now I can move up to 7.1 sound and get everything out of my movies (sound wise and more specific resolution). The computer helps a lot when watching movies as the native resolution for my monitor is 1360*768 and the XB360 doesn't use that as native (1280*720) so I get a very small quality hit when using that. Watching things with the computer is better with the monitor and the sound so it's an easy win win and takes less power since I can lower the settings on everything.

I'm thinking about modding the case and putting the HD DVD drive inside here as a fixed drive since that's how I use it lately anyway.

Okay I'm off to mod my steering and pedal box so I can play some RACE07 for a bit.

K

[Kei]

OH YEA! Here's a nice bombshell for you guys, I was curious on how the Xigmatek could cool with just a 40CFM fan on there like I told you guys I may be doing earlier. Well I'm DEFINATELY going to be doing it now as I just set the 110CFM fan on there now to silent which gives me ~621-630rpm fan speed out of the 2000rpm that it'll do at max.

Max temps on the high power setup...47C averaging only 46C! This was when doing the crazy stability test that I told you guys I started doing earlier so under Prime95, Everest, or AOD it'd run even cooler!

I think the best part is that since the fan was only spinning at 628rpm during the test that means it was flowing LESS than 40CFM as the 120mm fan (same make) spins at 800rpm when at it's max flow rate. That's not bad at all...

K

[Viscarious]

Speaking of sound cards and fans...

I just added a 120MM fan to the front CDROM bay and have my case door open to suck in cool cool cool air. Thats pushed straight back to the zalman...however...Its loud. My Pc is quite a bit loud. prlly overall in the high 20db range or mid 30s even. (guesstimating!) BUT~! my CPU is at 33-34C idle rather then 38C from before. Wonder if the noise is worth it...

Sound card...WOW! The audigy 2 only supported 5.1 and CD quality at its best. If I can get this 'Blackhawk' program running right for my 5.1 headphones then I'd be set...As for now though..I was just watching the office ( fav show ) and I could hear all sorts of stuff I NEVER heard before. I also noticed some subtle changes in COD4 and LFS (turbo spools and way cooler understearing sounds of the tires slipping and hoping lol)

[Viscarious]

having problems with setting the surround sound up through soundmax's Blackhawk program. I plug in the green, black and orange plugs but only the green and black is getting sound (green way more then black, can barely hear black). Went to their site and its under construction. Eff.

[eidairaman1]

I only use onboard sound cards. Don't want to waste a slot on one. lolz.

Here are some pic's of my cooling mods Vis.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2j3nneb.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/14nh3rd.jpg

you basically have the same Case i do, Antec SX830

[Kei]

Damn, that sucks I'd help you out but I use Coaxial cable to connect to my reciever that or optical. I'm not sure how to wire up the rest of those as before I only used the green though with headphones you should only need 1 wire anyway or hook in with USB if you have it.

The Blackhawk is absurdly good though as you now know. :D It picks up a lot of sound that would otherwise be lost and it changes the atmosphere in games and movies a lot.

K

[Viscarious]

Yea...Im usually behind on technology until I cant run stuff anymore. Then I go balls to the wall on getting a kickass setup.

[Bytor]

ok...what are all those fans for? and why so freakin' many? Are those stacked up twice!?

Oh and what is this 'AMD LIVE!' setting in BIOS?

There are only 5 fans on those rads. The ones below them are just fan housings acting as shrouds.

eidairaman1,

Not sure what a Antec SX830 is, but mine is a Chieftec Aluminum Dragon

[Viscarious]

Bytor, what kinda system is that? Or is it custom? I had a water cooling system a few years ago but it was really cheap and air could of done better. I think I still have the waterblock for the cpu but I think I threw out the hoses and radiator. : /

[Viscarious]

SO...

I think this may be something to explore and I will in a few after my torrent of The Office season 4 finished but...

I noticed that the 24pin connector on my mobo wasnt all the way on. It was sitting up off the top part by a few millimeters. It was plugged in but not ALL the way down! :O!

Maybe this is what is blockin my 3ghz! Will test and reply back!

[Viscarious]

nope, nvm. Hmm. I could take back my phenom to frys and trade it for another!

Hmm. Ill think about this. And look for the receipt. : /

[CrackerJack]

M3A32-MVP & Phenom 9850
http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherboards/317032-m3a32-mvp-phenom-9850-a.html

Hope this helps

[Bytor]

Bytor, what kinda system is that? Or is it custom? I had a water cooling system a few years ago but it was really cheap and air could of done better. I think I still have the waterblock for the cpu but I think I threw out the hoses and radiator. : /

Custom:
1 Swiftech MCP355, 1 MCP350 Pumps both w/Petra's Tops, D-Tek Fuzion CPU Block, 2 MCW60 GPU blocks, Black Ice Extreme 360 & 240 Rads, 5 141 CFM Delta fans, Swiftech Micro Res.

All inside and outside (lol) a Chieftec Dragon Aluminum case.

Have since removed the res. and added T-lines and also split the loop into 2. CPU & GPU.

[Viscarious]

Ive found an interesting setup.

215x13.5
NBx11
1.325v
mem 800mhz 5-5-5-15-22-2T

I can boot and load a few programs then crash randomly. I've got

215x13
NBx10
1.3125v and same mem settings runnning now and its a bit more stable. Tryin this out for a 'high power' setup for more demanding games.

[HAL7000]

Btw, I don't know if you've seen but 3.5Ghz has already been done on this chip though I haven't checked the status lately to see whether or not it's 100% stable yet. I know that 3.2Ghz has been done stable already though and obviously 3Ghz is more than perfectly 100% stable. Your mileage may vary as no two pieces are alike. Mine has tested at multiple 3Ghz configurations and not had a hiccup once.

K

Kei ....I don't overclock but found this overclock extremely interesting.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183025

[Kei]

Hey, thanks Hal I've known the guys over there for a while now. :) I haven't really tried to clock it that high though as it's far more than I need anyway. I can get 3.1Ghz easy though and it'll boot at 3.2-3.4Ghz but not get into windows though.

K

[CrackerJack]

Kei ....I don't overclock but found this overclock extremely interesting.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183025

yeah i seen that today, :rockout:

[eidairaman1]

nope, nvm. Hmm. I could take back my phenom to frys and trade it for another!

BTW Bytor, the Case i have is here

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/antecsx830/

Reason its called the 830 is because of the 300 Watt Powersupply that came with it- Which was High Quality.

Hmm. Ill think about this. And look for the receipt. : /

I dont think they will allow you to trade your CPU just because it doesnt overclock well, also they do test the parts on spot nowadays, some places charge Restocking Fees aswell.

[Srgtgoat]

ok all flashed up to 1002 , noticed a couple of changes in the bios like ,core down, that wasn't there before(think i'll stay at 4 for now, thank you)
so Kei you were saying (see if i got this right)just do the cpu x not the fsb as the board was designed to say at 200 mhz , and to set the cpu x down lower than it is now (12.5x standard) but isn't going down slower?? the reading i was doing (i could have read this wrong) said raiseing the fsb speeds the whole machine up and you can lower the cpu x thus running cooler??
whats the difference between the fsb and the HT or are they the same multiplyed be the NB??

(yikes, what a rookie)

you were talking about 2 3870's vs the new 4800's , well here i got a stock cpu speed, old bios, 2x 3870's OCed in ati OD @ 827/1166, running R6 Vegas,

fraps reporting 60 fps @1600x1200. that good??(weird is it's a solid 60, not a frame over, ever!)

and Ati overdrive says stock clock speeds, while GPUz says bumped up ones , thats weird.

talk to ya's SG,

[eidairaman1]

Sounds like VSync Enabled unless if the App has a Max FPS hold Position.
ok all flashed up to 1002 , noticed a couple of changes in the bios like ,core down, that wasn't there before(think i'll stay at 4 for now, thank you)
so Kei you were saying (see if i got this right)just do the cpu x not the fsb as the board was designed to say at 200 mhz , and to set the cpu x down lower than it is now (12.5x standard) but isn't going down slower?? the reading i was doing (i could have read this wrong) said raiseing the fsb speeds the whole machine up and you can lower the cpu x thus running cooler??
whats the difference between the fsb and the HT or are they the same multiplyed be the NB??

(yikes, what a rookie)

you were talking about 2 3870's vs the new 4800's , well here i got a stock cpu speed, old bios, 2x 3870's OCed in ati OD @ 827/1166, running R6 Vegas,

fraps reporting 60 fps @1600x1200. that good??(weird is it's a solid 60, not a frame over, ever!)

and Ati overdrive says stock clock speeds, while GPUz says bumped up ones , thats weird.

talk to ya's SG,

[Kei]

ok all flashed up to 1002 , noticed a couple of changes in the bios like ,core down, that wasn't there before(think i'll stay at 4 for now, thank you)
so Kei you were saying (see if i got this right)just do the cpu x not the fsb as the board was designed to say at 200 mhz , and to set the cpu x down lower than it is now (12.5x standard) but isn't going down slower?? the reading i was doing (i could have read this wrong) said raiseing the fsb speeds the whole machine up and you can lower the cpu x thus running cooler??
whats the difference between the fsb and the HT or are they the same multiplyed be the NB??

(yikes, what a rookie)

you were talking about 2 3870's vs the new 4800's , well here i got a stock cpu speed, old bios, 2x 3870's OCed in ati OD @ 827/1166, running R6 Vegas,

fraps reporting 60 fps @1600x1200. that good??(weird is it's a solid 60, not a frame over, ever!)

and Ati overdrive says stock clock speeds, while GPUz says bumped up ones , thats weird.

talk to ya's SG,

Yea, I think we got some words crossed in our talks. Leave the BOARD at 200Mhz (that is called the HT Bus) and overclock using the CPU multiplier only. Raise that until you can't get it to boot into windows anymore at the stock voltage (1.30v which will show as 1.296v more likely in CPU-Z).

After you can't get it to boot into Windows anymore on that voltage then go back one step to the last number you could get it to boot into Windows at. Run a stability test of some sort (Everest, AOD, Prime95, etc.) to see whether or not that speed is stable at all or will just boot. Once you've figured that out if it's stable then we can move on up the ladder to see what we have to do to get higher. If that's not stable then as it's the highest you've been add just a little cpu voltage...say go up from 1.30v to 1.325v...then run the test again and see what happens. If that doesn't work then raise the voltage again by a little, keep doing this until you either get it stable OR get to 1.40v.

You can also find the setting to test by going into windows at stock speed (200*12.5x) and with the stock voltage (1.30v) go into the Performance tab and raise the multiplier 1 tick mark and hit apply. If it doesn't freeze after a few seconds (give it 5-10 seconds of not doing anything) then go to the next one. If that works keep raising it by 1 tick until it finally freezes or bsod's.

Please remember the setting it won't do/go past and then set that setting in the bios so that you can try a stability test with it. Leave the ram and everything else at stock speeds (leave the ram at 800Mhz with 2T enabled).

Let us know what you can get, but don't be alarmed if you can't go to terribly far on the stock voltage as some of us can and some can't. Depending on your cpu cooler (a huge part of this) and your airflow and power supply situation you'll be able to get close to what we can or better.

If you wish to find out the highest speed quicker you can always downcore (the new option you spoke of) and go to 2 cores only still with the same voltage (1.30v) and try that way. Since you're using less cores it will result in far less heat AND the biggest bonus is that it will take less voltage to reach the same speed. Meaning...it takes me 1.25v to get 2.9Ghz 100% stable on my system when using all four cores. The same 2.9Ghz using only two cores is stable at as little as 1.136v for me. That is a HUGE difference as I'm sure you'd agree.

K

[Kei]

60fps is the golden number that everyone is shooting for as that's the best we can use anyway (unless you're using one of those 120Hz monitors...and then I'd hate you :p). The minimum number of fps you want to try to play a game at is 30fps as that's when the human eye is most sensitive to drops in frames so try to stay above it at all times.

With two 3870's I highly doubt you'll have any problems not achieving 60fps in almost any game that you play with close to any settings you want. The reason that it's staying locked at 60fps is like EI said...Vsync is enabled which will lock it to your monitors refresh rate...which is 60fps and not 120 which means I still like you. :D

K

Btw, as long as BestBuy still has some 3870's I'm gonna pick up another one tomorrow afternoon. I'm pretty sure they'll have some left as not too many people buy video cards from my bestbuy strangely. That's koo with me...they can start buying AFTER I've got mine. :D

[Kei]

You should really read this article/interview and keep your heads up :D

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=2&id=2569&pg=4

I knew there was a reason I could boot far higher than 3Ghz...interesting what the future holds with these monster processors.

K

[Srgtgoat]

thanks Kei , i'll give it a go, just sitting here transfering some files from 1 drive to the next and have AOD open watching the temps and core 3 seems to be doing everything but the clock speeds on all cores going crazy! up to 4500, must be a glitch , huh,

think my case sucks though as the temp is 43c w/frt and side covers off, which the same at idle w/all covers and side fan on, air flow must suck

thinking about a Silverstone w/a good water kit, case and kit about 500, ESA looks cool but doesn't support ATI

case http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=tj10&area=

cooling kit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835108076


SG,

[fullinfusion]

Well i'm back in the game now with the water cooler K...
I ripped apart the thermaltake big water760i and used all the parts except the housing.
I fixed the rad to the rear outside case and mounted the pump and holding tank on the floor of the case and picked up 2 90deg angled brass fittings....
It sure likes the cool outside air compared to having the whole setup mounted in 2 drive bays..
Talk about coooool now... Idle at room temp 23c... MAX load 43c... thats tested using Prime95 @3.24GHz... finally found a new setting thats been stable for 11hrs now... using a multi of 13.5...... If i don't head out to work I'll post a few shots tomorrow after i get it all buttoned up.. Going to try different fan combinations and need to get a few other fittings to make it look like a custom job.. Looks great now but im picky lol

[Kei]

Good lord! What voltage are you on for the 3.24Ghz setting now...those are fantastic temperatures on both idle and load. Now that you're running even cooler are you able to use lower voltages to get higher speeds or are you just now able to bump up the voltage higher since it'll still be cooler anyway?

Very very nice though...amazing temperatures, almost make mine seem overheated haha. ;)

K

[fullinfusion]

Same voltage @1.375... I have the A/c blowing into the room so that's helping K...
I think i just hit the magic number today... Posted up 1st crack and havent had a bsod all day... I think it could be the ram helping out teeheehe (alot)
I'm going to mount the fan in the morning so it's pulling the air through the rad instead of pushing... I believe the temps will fall even more...

[fullinfusion]

Good lord! What voltage are you on for the 3.24Ghz setting now...those are fantastic temperatures on both idle and load. Now that you're running even cooler are you able to use lower voltages to get higher speeds or are you just now able to bump up the voltage higher since it'll still be cooler anyway?

Very very nice though...amazing temperatures, almost make mine seem overheated haha. ;)

K
Unlike your phenom K, mine wont run low volts..

[Kei]

Ah...so no 2.9Ghz at 1.25v 100% stable for you then? :D I've got that with awesome temps too...like I said earlier (I think) even with the fan only blowing 628rpm out of 2000rpm the temps STILL are only 47C max with ~46C being the average. If the fan is on max speed then the temps even with all 4 cores running are still only 40C @ 100% load.

I think I may start playing a little again to see if I can get just a little bit over 3.1Ghz higher, but I'm not sure if that'll happen w/o big volts really. I can't wait to get one of the new chipsets when they finally come out (SB750). This one is awesome to me, but those are supposed to be like magic.

K

[fullinfusion]

I just checked for leaks and all is dry, but i still have air bubbles running through out the system
I think since the rad's in n out are on the bottom im getting air at the top side of the rad... but after i take the rad off i'll flip it upside down to remove what might still be in there.. temps will likely fall even more im hoping

[fullinfusion]

hey when i upload a screen shot at what resize will give the best image?
The last msg was horrible.. i tried 1200... to high?

[jkatt12]

does anyone know what the defaults for nb chip voltage, cpu-nb multiplier, cpu-nb voltage suppose to be?

[fullinfusion]

does anyone know what the defaults for nb chip voltage, cpu-nb multiplier, cpu-nb voltage suppose to be?
nb 1.20v... cpu-nb 10x... and not sure about the cpu-nb voltage... if i had to guess it would be 1.20v as well but double check with K

[fullinfusion]

SB is also 1.20v

[jkatt12]

thanks, that gives me a start until they fix the other issues, we're already up to a new bios 901. 603, 702, 804, 901 w/in the past few months. geeeeeez. maybe i can adjust the cpu-nb multi and be able to up the fsb to over 204 (like it worked in bios 603)

[Kei]

nb 1.20v... cpu-nb 10x... and not sure about the cpu-nb voltage... if i had to guess it would be 1.20v as well but double check with K

Yep, that's them :) I'm off to BestBuy to see a man about a graphics card :D

K

Btw, don't tell Bytor or he'll go there first!:nutkick:

[Viscarious]

Oh boy...wish I could go get a second. Actually...I dont need one. But I still want another!

I dont think they will allow you to trade your CPU just because it doesnt overclock well, also they do test the parts on spot nowadays, some places charge Restocking Fees aswell.

Fry's is awesome. You can take back anything for whatever reason and they'll take it back. Except remote control heli's and busted TV screens. They only ask whats wrong with it and I just tell them its cause me problems, dunno what it could be but problems! Then they give me a refund and I go get another phenom...

What'd'ya think? Should I go get a diff Phenom and still if I got a lemon. Keep in mind I cant go over 12.5x on the first core in AOD.

[fullinfusion]

hey if you own a blackie and she wont o/c then I WOULD! Mabey you'll be lucky like me and get two that o/c really well.. 6400-9850:toast:

[Viscarious]

Well...Its weird. I can get stable BIOS clocks of a max of 2.7ghz. But if I try to OC through AOD then I cant get my first core above 12.5x

So after I burn a new CD to jam on the drive over, I'll take her out and get me a new one. =]
Cya in a few hours.

[Jetracers]

Hey guys just got my 9850 last thurs havent had chance to max her out yet I've ran stable at 2.7Ghz already, but here is my real question if i leave my bio settings on auto my volts are way up there running stock speeds, so i've set it to 1.25 in bios yet when i boot up they're higher, the volts stay down when idle but when under load they jump all over the place to from 1.31 to 1.46V so could this be caused by poor volt regulators on my MB or by me maxing out my current power supply, or something else.
Thanks in advance,
J
Also my board is 570 series, Gigabyte GA-M57sli-s4 (rev 2), and Power supply is Nzxt pp500 500watt, 4 seagate hds, dual 7950gt and 1 pci tv tuner, any other info in system specs to left.

[fullinfusion]

Hey guys just got my 9850 last thurs havent had chance to max her out yet I've ran stable at 2.7Ghz already, but here is my real question if i leave my bio settings on auto my volts are way up there running stock speeds, so i've set it to 1.25 in bios yet when i boot up they're higher, the volts stay down when idle but when under load they jump all over the place to from 1.31 to 1.46V so could this be caused by poor volt regulators on my MB or by me maxing out my current power supply, or something else.
Thanks in advance,
J
Also my board is 570 series, Gigabyte GA-M57sli-s4 (rev 2), and Power supply is Nzxt pp500 500watt, 4 seagate hds, dual 7950gt and 1 pci tv tuner, any other info in system specs to left.
Boy thats a tough one...but if i would bet money on that I'd say its mobo related... my old asus mobo would fluctuate like what your reporting and i also changed the psu but it kept doing the same thing... it wasn't until i got the new mobo that the volts stay nice and tight... Have you tried to update your Bios.

[fullinfusion]

Well im almost done... Just need to insert foam where the hoses go through the rear of the case and button up the case... its not as fancy as the other guy's photo's but not bad for a bigwater mod hey...also keeps things nice and coool :D
The Patriot sticks run HOTT!!! @2.3v stock you cant even hold your hand on the side of them.. I ordered the fan kit for them so in go the corsair sticks for now and now i get bsod with my 3.24GHz settup... the ram helped out alot... and thanks K for the recommendation of the Patriot ram..:toast:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080603/IM000544646.jpg

[fullinfusion]

Hey K.. are we going to have a pissn match in Mark06 now that your getting your 2nd gpu?
I'm up for it hehehe... I may cheat a little now since the cpu's temp is even better now then last night... I think im going to try the setting of 1.50v where the air cooler hit 80+c that night lol... just wanna see how hot she runs for the cpu test....
Good luck and hope the 2nd card dosn't give ya any problems :toast:

[Kei]

Thanks, I'll reply to everyone's posts in a bit but I'm making sure I got these cards set up right. I just put the 2nd one in so I'm about to check on getting the clocks in sync and run some benchmarks too.

The force is strong with that 3870X2 though...you might get me.

K

[AphexDreamer]

Hey Kei and Fullfussion, whats the serial number and OPN Number on the Box of yalls Phenom Cases? Whenever you get around to lookin I'd like to know, thanks.

[fullinfusion]

Hey Kei and Fullfussion, whats the serial number and OPN Number on the Box of yalls Phenom Cases? Whenever you get around to lookin I'd like to know, thanks.
I'll give ya the OPN: HD985ZXAGHBOX
Sorry cant give ya the serial dude... Can i have your SS# lol
haven't registered it yet so i cant give it to ya :o

[fullinfusion]

Thanks, I'll reply to everyone's posts in a bit but I'm making sure I got these cards set up right. I just put the 2nd one in so I'm about to check on getting the clocks in sync and run some benchmarks too.

The force is strong with that 3870X2 though...you might get me.

K
lol i had twin 3870's and they ran real good but the x2 had a very slight edge compaired to the twins... MMmm Twins..:slap: Oops sorry mind was wandering

[Viscarious]

:(

I couldnt take back my processor. Fry's has a 15 day return on processors and I was at the 16th day lol. Damn.

Oh well. Its not like I'd need or usually run 3ghz. I just want to have bragging rights. So now I have the same phenom in there curing new paste. Im not using arctic silver this time. My Zalman came with some paste and I used it so I can save my good stuff for later. Not sure if theres a difference with the two as Im only running the phenom at LP settings (1.8ghz) but it seems there MIGHT be a 1c difference. Again, not sure as its only been in for an hour or so and no where near cured.

Last night I ran with those weird settings that I posted, something like 215x13 and a nb of 11 and it ran great all night. I only played music and COD4 but that was like 4 hours worth of uptime. It was around the 43-45C area and really warmed up my room so I dropped back to LP settings.

Thats all I have for now on a recap. Oh and nice modded bigwater, full. Not bad at all! :D

[jkatt12]

mine :
OPN : HD985ZXAGHBOX
S/N: 9492214C80246

[fullinfusion]

:(

I couldnt take back my processor. Fry's has a 15 day return on processors and I was at the 16th day lol. Damn.

Oh well. Its not like I'd need or usually run 3ghz. I just want to have bragging rights. So now I have the same phenom in there curing new paste. Im not using arctic silver this time. My Zalman came with some paste and I used it so I can save my good stuff for later. Not sure if theres a difference with the two as Im only running the phenom at LP settings (1.8ghz) but it seems there MIGHT be a 1c difference. Again, not sure as its only been in for an hour or so and no where near cured.

Last night I ran with those weird settings that I posted, something like 215x13 and a nb of 11 and it ran great all night. I only played music and COD4 but that was like 4 hours worth of uptime. It was around the 43-45C area and really warmed up my room so I dropped back to LP settings.

Thats all I have for now on a recap. Oh and nice modded bigwater, full. Not bad at all! :D
thanks Vis... Appreciate it

[fullinfusion]

Lord K... oh lord K where ya at buddie? the twins working ok for ya? Dam it's quiet in here...
No cpu fan running makes ringing sounds in my ears lol
Ok K... whats the scoop? you happy with the xfire cards?
Im die'n here man.. whats your scores?:pimp:

[fullinfusion]

well @1.500 core volt running Mark06 the cpu hit a high of 54c on water vs on air @ the same volt which gave me 80+c temps (EEK)... Hmm think im going for a double looped h20 rad next week and drop those temps again:D

[Viscarious]

Yea, get a really big reservoir so if you do run that fast or around there, you wont boil the water in the lines lol. =]

[fullinfusion]

lol V... I hear what your saying... just finished playing GOW for close to 2hrs and temps are 42c:D Daym and thats bumping the core from 1.3750 to 1.3850:D

[Kei]

Okay I just ran a quick test at 3Ghz cpu settings with everything else stock. Only the Diamond card was overclocked at all just to match the stock clock of the Visiontek card which is a completely normal 796/2340 so I just matched the Diamond card to that.

No tweaks were done to anything and like I said everything was bone stock except for the cpu which was at 200*15x for 3Ghz.

My score was 15,261 on that run. I'm not sure how much I can get out of it as I still haven't tried to clock the cards but when I clocked the Diamond by itself when I had just the single card I was able to go from 11,664 up to 13,013 with only the graphics card overclock. I think it's safe to say that I can get a nice healthy boost out of the system as long as the Visiontek card will overclock well and/or I don't have any conflicts with the Diamond overclock since I'm using two different cards.

This Crossfire things is very new to me so it'll take some getting used to and tweaking to get everything perfect. The only other Crossfire setup I did was when I was bored one night so I bought 2 2600XT's from BestBuy one night since they were on clearance for $90 (for both)...I knew my brother needed a small graphics card so I figured just buy both and let my curiosity have some fun for a night.

I'll let you guys know how it goes but so far RACE07 now runs BUTTER smooth...well to clarify, the game ALWAYS ran perfectly smooth, but replays for some reason would hold 60fps but would stutter strangely every few seconds. Now there are no problems at all.

I'm using Cat 8.2 drivers right now and I'll end up testing all the way up eventually after I get used to having two cards to deal with. I wish I could just overclock them as one sometimes but I suppose it does have a huge benefit to being able to do them seperately like out Phenoms...a match made in heaven. :D

Hey full...what's your 3dmark06 score anyway?

K

[Kei]

I just read your posts...HELL YEA I love these cards! They just might get another friend once the prices drops through the floor on the 3850 cards...just a thought even though I don't "need" it...it'd just be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pretty with 3 of them in there as 2 looks just oh so right for some reason.

I now feel as though I have a 'complete' spider...okay minus the sound card.

K

[Viscarious]

sound cards arnt in the list for the platform. however...Theres one 'in' the platform. In the form of onboard sound!

Hmm, Im down to 1.6ghz and .912v but temp is at 30-32c! wtf!? arctic really is better even at low low speeds and volts.

going to try to get into the .8volts...brb =]

[Viscarious]

Sweet! AOD! I forgot about this again... Ok. Im already down to .88v =]

Also, in AOD, is there a way to lower these bars without using a mouse?

Wonder what I could get with 1 core...and 1.6ghz. Its like going back 8-10 years but maybe I can get .6 volts. omg! gunna try it out just for kicks.

[Kei]

Haha, I don't know if you can actually do that since the bios only lists voltages of .800 and higher. Then again AOD will give you further lower multipliers than the bios will (lowest is 8x in bios whereas AOD is 5x or so).

I give up on playing with the card settings for tonight and I'm gonna just enjoy two cards worth of greatness for a bit as I've been waiting a long time for this. :)

K <---is very happy...and still waiting for Full's 3d06 score ;)

[fullinfusion]

Okay I just ran a quick test at 3Ghz cpu settings with everything else stock. Only the Diamond card was overclocked at all just to match the stock clock of the Visiontek card which is a completely normal 796/2340 so I just matched the Diamond card to that.

No tweaks were done to anything and like I said everything was bone stock except for the cpu which was at 200*15x for 3Ghz.

My score was 15,261 on that run. I'm not sure how much I can get out of it as I still haven't tried to clock the cards but when I clocked the Diamond by itself when I had just the single card I was able to go from 11,664 up to 13,013 with only the graphics card overclock. I think it's safe to say that I can get a nice healthy boost out of the system as long as the Visiontek card will overclock well and/or I don't have any conflicts with the Diamond overclock since I'm using two different cards.

This Crossfire things is very new to me so it'll take some getting used to and tweaking to get everything perfect. The only other Crossfire setup I did was when I was bored one night so I bought 2 2600XT's from BestBuy one night since they were on clearance for $90 (for both)...I knew my brother needed a small graphics card so I figured just buy both and let my curiosity have some fun for a night.

I'll let you guys know how it goes but so far RACE07 now runs BUTTER smooth...well to clarify, the game ALWAYS ran perfectly smooth, but replays for some reason would hold 60fps but would stutter strangely every few seconds. Now there are no problems at all.

I'm using Cat 8.2 drivers right now and I'll end up testing all the way up eventually after I get used to having two cards to deal with. I wish I could just overclock them as one sometimes but I suppose it does have a huge benefit to being able to do them seperately like out Phenoms...a match made in heaven. :D

Hey full...what's your 3dmark06 score anyway?

K

shall i show ya again? and clock both cards to the limit... as long as there both 3870's the results will be full nominal lol...
http://img.techpowerup.org/080604/16.jpg

[Viscarious]

Yea, I tried to set the multi to 7.5x and crash.

Soooo....I then tried 1 core and left .9v and booted. Well. It normally takes like 2 min to boot or so and with 1 core, I swear it took atleast 4 min. I also didnt notice a difference at all in temps. I think 29c is as low as it goes, unless I either open the case and give full open access to AC'd air. But thats just dumb.

I'm very happy at 1.8ghz to do my computing so my next goal is to quite my PC. Right now its a beast. Its almost a gentle howl. I can hear it over The Office with my headphones on. Quite bad.

[jkatt12]

anybody know why cpu-z shows my old g.skill memory ddr2-800 instead of my new geil ones i just installed?
i unzipped cpuz 1.45 to a completely different directory, is there a registry key setting somewhere? the spd tab shows correctly for my ddr2 1066 though.

[Jetracers]

Boy thats a tough one...but if i would bet money on that I'd say its mobo related... my old asus mobo would fluctuate like what your reporting and i also changed the psu but it kept doing the same thing... it wasn't until i got the new mobo that the volts stay nice and tight... Have you tried to update your Bios.

yeah i've updated my bios, technically my board doesnt support the proc but it works well, and i've come to the conclusion that it may be power supply considering after i got home form work last night i couldnt get it to post or anything, going have PSU tested after work just to be sure, if not then i guess its time to RMA the motherboard.

[CrackerJack]

yeah i've updated my bios, technically my board doesnt support the proc but it works well, and i've come to the conclusion that it may be power supply considering after i got home form work last night i couldnt get it to post or anything, going have PSU tested after work just to be sure, if not then i guess its time to RMA the motherboard.

your board (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ProductID=2539) supports the cpu. but yes, it could be your psu.

[CrackerJack]

anybody know why cpu-z shows my old g.skill memory ddr2-800 instead of my new geil ones i just installed?
i unzipped cpuz 1.45 to a completely different directory, is there a registry key setting somewhere? the spd tab shows correctly for my ddr2 1066 though.

Does bios say 800 or 1066. There should be a memory speed change options. If so, make sure it's at 1066

[Jetracers]

your board (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ProductID=2539) supports the cpu. but yes, it could be your psu.

yeah it supports phenoms guess i should have been more specific, they dont list the 9850, and the phenoms they do list only have tdp of 95w, not 125w, though their high end dual cores are 125w so it makes sense that it will officially support it in the future.

[Jetracers]

heres the other thing i plugged the so call bad psu into my p4 motherboard and everything booted up, given its not as taxed as my other thats the only reason i can figure, so you think it still could be bad psu?

[CrackerJack]

heres the other thing i plugged the so call bad psu into my p4 motherboard and everything booted up, given its not as taxed as my other thats the only reason i can figure, so you think it still could be bad psu?

it's still a good psu, but maybe just not enough for your phemon rig. On the CPU, they just haven't updated the list. My doesn't show the 9850 on mine either. The DS4 (my old board) does show.

[CrackerJack]

http://rarara.at.webry.info/200805/article_18.html
http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp/000/337/81/N000/000/001/occtgdt1.jpg

GET OUT OF HERE!!!

[utamarojp]

I'm sorry. It made a mistake in the operation.

[fullinfusion]

I'm sorry. It made a mistake in the operation.
No worries dude

[Viscarious]

PC is quiet again! I have taken out a fan, turned off the PCI video card fan and made a tunnel out of cardboard to suck in air RIGHT into my zalman. Its an awesome tunnel effect going on and theres no temp difference. Also saving power with not using the fans! Win / win!

[jkatt12]

Does bios say 800 or 1066. There should be a memory speed change options. If so, make sure it's at 1066

bios shows ddr2 1066, yes.. selecting spd slot 1 - 4 all shows Geil now, that is completely weird but pc2-6400 though.
hrmm

[CrackerJack]

bios shows ddr2 1066, yes.. selecting spd slot 1 - 4 all shows Geil now, that is completely weird but pc2-6400 though.
hrmm

it's showing pc2-6400?

[jkatt12]

yeah, wtf!!

it was just fine the other day i havnt made any changes (except for in the bios, etc.)
weird, yesterday it was showing g. skill memory. rebooting!

[Viscarious]

Check your board on its site to make sure you can support that speed memory.

And if you cant, try to run your memory at 800mhz, 4-4-4-12-16-1t. If you can its almost the same speeds if not faster.