Need help with PSU diagnostics:

[HTC]

I just did an 1 hour test in OCCT (it's @ 3537 MHz):

http://img.techpowerup.org/080521/2008-05-21-11h58-Volt3.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/080521/2008-05-21-11h58-Volt5.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/080521/2008-05-21-11h58-Volt12.png


I'm worried about the spikes in the pics :(

[HTC]

Does anyone know of a software that can do what OCCT does, without OCCT running?

[intel igent]

ASUS Aibooster or ASUS probe should be included with your mobo drivers, it has hardware monitoring built in.

if those are youre actual Volts i'd be looking at replacing the PSU before it quits on ya

the only true way to measure Volts is with a meter though

:toast:

[HTC]

ASUS Aibooster or ASUS probe should be included with your mobo drivers, it has hardware monitoring built in.

if those are youre actual Volts i'd be looking at replacing the PSU before it quits on ya

the only true way to measure Volts is with a meter though

:toast:

I think they're my actual volts in the PSU :(

I'm hoping someone knows of a program that can make more accurate (to the second??) measurements then OCCT.

[intel igent]

I think they're my actual volts in the PSU :(

I'm hoping someone knows of a program that can make more accurate (to the second??) measurements then OCCT.

like i said try the ASUS utility, i use it and its not that bad. you can select the polling intervals

[HTC]

like i said try the ASUS utility, i use it and its not that bad. you can select the polling intervals

I know of it. I had used it for quite some time but took it off because of this:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080521/2008-05-21_192030.png

Look @ the volts in PC Probe II and in Everest (except VCore) :confused:

PC Probe II doesn't do a graph, does it?

[intel igent]

so PC probe 2 doesnt work for ya?

:o

nothing in that screen matches :confused:

[HTC]

so PC probe 2 doesnt work for ya?

:o

nothing in that screen matches :confused:

It does work.

So far, Everest only got like that 1 time @ boot. Usually, it's fine but then it gets like that.

I already made a technical inquiry to Asus about it!

I'll reboot and take another screenie.

[intel igent]

i use the original PCprobe and it works fine for me, not shure if it would work with your MOBO as its new gen

have you tried TPU downloads to see if something can be found there?

[HTC]

i use the original PCprobe and it works fine for me, not shure if it would work with your MOBO as its new gen

have you tried TPU downloads to see if something can be found there?

Haven't, yet.

Here's a pic of PC Probe II and Everest running properly:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080521/2008-05-21_193213.png

[intel igent]

doesn't PCprobe give you an option for hardware monitoring?

[HTC]

doesn't PCprobe give you an option for hardware monitoring?

Doesn't make a log of the temps, as far as i can tell. It logs when it the temp or volts screw up, but not all the time.

I'm looking for something like this:

http://i3.techpowerup.com/reviews/BFG/ES-800_800W/images/ripple.jpg

Doesn't have to be this detailed: it only needs to record in a chart the results for a given time frame!

[intel igent]

heres a pic of what i use

[HTC]

heres a pic of what i use

That's what i'm looking for, or something like that!

That's PC Probe but not version II, correct?

[intel igent]

That's what i'm looking for, or something like that!

That's PC Probe but not version II, correct?

yes ASUS PCprobe

maybe you can D/L it from ASUS's site and try it?

[HTC]

yes ASUS PCprobe

maybe you can D/L it from ASUS's site and try it?

Duh!!!!! :eek:

I had a program running all this time and didn't even know it :banghead:

Everest!!!!!


Duh!!!! :eek:

[HTC]

While i was priming, i had Everest running:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-22_235636.png

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-23_001550.png

Here's a statistic chart:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-23_010733.png


This prog's chart isn't big enough for a better diagnostic but i find these variations unsettling :(

Judging from the pic Intel Igent provided, it seams that PC Probe's chart window is small too :(

Does anyone know of a program that can better depict variations in the PSU's voltages?

EDIT

Something that shows charts like OCCT but that could be horizontally scrollable: that would be ideal

[t_ski]

Closest to that that I can think of is the graph in SpeedFan, but it starts replacing itself after a while (ie: only shows past 60 minutes or something like that).

I was going to suggest that having multiple monitoring programs running at the same time could be bad. Before, I had one program that worked fine. However, when I started the second program to compare the reading, the numbers on the first program got all messed up.

[HTC]

Closest to that that I can think of is the graph in SpeedFan, but it starts replacing itself after a while (ie: only shows past 60 minutes or something like that).

Great: i installed that prog yesterday but i'm unfamiliar with how to set it up to do what you suggest. Could you help with that, please?

I was going to suggest that having multiple monitoring programs running at the same time could be bad. Before, I had one program that worked fine. However, when I started the second program to compare the reading, the numbers on the first program got all messed up.

Dunno, really! While i was priming, i had Real Temp 2.5, Everest (blue lower right and system stability test, but the test wasn't running: only showing the graph) and Faststone Capture (screenie prog). Tried to add Core Temp to the mix while priming but couldn't get it to run. It interfered with Prime95:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-23_002139.png

In this case, it skipped a test in one of the cores, but i saw it skip 2 tests in 2 different occasions: no screenies, though!

As far as i could tell, the different monitoring progs didn't interfere with each other: i could be wrong, though!

[t_ski]

I don't have speedfan installed, but the last tab on the right had the graph. You just needed to check some boxes to add the stuff to the graph. TBH, I can't remember how many different voltages you could get from it.

If you have it installed and post a pic of the tab, I could walk you through it. However, it really is self-explanitory.

[HTC]

I don't have speedfan installed, but the last tab on the right had the graph. You just needed to check some boxes to add the stuff to the graph. TBH, I can't remember how many different voltages you could get from it.

If you have it installed and post a pic of the tab, I could walk you through it. However, it really is self-explanitory.

I see what you mean but:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_040148.png

It doesn't show the results :(

It should read between 3 and 12.5 or something but it only reads from 3.5 to 11.2 or something :shadedshu

And it hasn't the 5V reading :(

EDIT

Is there a way to increase the scale of the reading?

[t_ski]

Both readings are showing on the graph. The 3.3v is the red line at the bottom of the graph, and the solid green line near the top is the 12v. At 11.2v or whatever, that seems real low. I would break out a multimeter anc check it for sure.

AFAIK there is no way to expand the range of the graph, but you can add something outside the range to make others show better. Like add vcore to see the 3.3v reading better.

[HTC]

Both readings are showing on the graph. The 3.3v is the red line at the bottom of the graph, and the solid green line near the top is the 12v. At 11.2v or whatever, that seems real low. I would break out a multimeter anc check it for sure.

AFAIK there is no way to expand the range of the graph, but you can add something outside the range to make others show better. Like add vcore to see the 3.3v reading better.

Heh: didn't even notice :banghead:

Managed to see the 3.3 better, though:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_041530.png

This king of graph is what i'm looking for though i would much prefer OCCT's. The problem is that OCCT's doen't work with running a OCCT bench :(

Tried the same for the 12 one but it didn't work out well: compare it to the Everest reading:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_041657.png

[Dr. Spankenstein]

I am firstly concerned by your 12V readings (ie. always sagging under load). Mine hovers around 12.36 under load.

Those "variations" as you call them are most likely the result of the LoadLineCalibration or whatever vDroop control the Rampage has. The attempts to maintain a steady level will ALWAYS result in a large overshoot (when switching from load to idle) and undershoot (at the beginning of a load). This is reflected in your readings in Everest.

Try some runs with the vDroop correction Disabled in the BIOS.

[HTC]

I am firstly concerned by your 12V readings (ie. always sagging under load). Mine hovers around 12.36 under load.

Those "variations" as you call them are most likely the result of the LoadLineCalibration or whatever vDroop control the Rampage has. The attempts to maintain a steady level will ALWAYS result in a large overshoot (when switching from load to idle) and undershoot (at the beginning of a load). This is reflected in your readings in Everest.

Try some runs with the vDroop correction Disabled in the BIOS.

This OCCT test was done with LLC disabled. I haven't done any pencil mods on the board either.

[Dr. Spankenstein]

And that is why those results have the OPPOSITE of what I explained.

I was referencing the Everest readings.

[CrackerJack]

have you use Rivatuner. I know i've got the option to montior PSU volts. But it doesn't seem to work on my system. AMD? i guess why

[HTC]

have you use Rivatuner. I know i've got the option to montior PSU volts. But it doesn't seem to work on my system. AMD? i guess why

THANK YOU, dude:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_043419.png

I used the File / Preferences / Hardware Monitoring / External Applications / Enable Shared Memory option in Everest to enable it!

And that is why those results have the OPPOSITE of what I explained.

I was referencing the Everest readings.

I don't understand: please explain further!

[Dr. Spankenstein]

You stated that the OCCT test were run without LLC. The implication to me was that it WAS enabled for the Prime95 that was monitored with Everest.

Am I incorrect?

[HTC]

You stated that the OCCT test were run without LLC. The implication to me was that it WAS enabled for the Prime95 that was monitored with Everest.

Am I incorrect?

You are incorrect, yes.

Look here (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=59179) (last post): these are my current BIOS settings!

[CrackerJack]

no problem man, just wish it would work for me though :o

[HTC]

no problem man, just wish it would work for me though :o

I used the File / Preferences / Hardware Monitoring / External Applications / Enable Shared Memory option in Everest to enable it!

Did you do this?

[Dr. Spankenstein]

Then those are still dangerous fluctuations! Spikes of .6V seem scary to me. You would most likely do damage to any 45nm chip you were to get one.

If I were you, I'd bee looking for a higher quality PSU if you plan on overclocking more.

[CrackerJack]

Did you do this?

I don't see what your talking about. :o kinda lost

[HTC]

Then those are still dangerous fluctuations! Spikes of .6V seem scary to me. You would most likely do damage to any 45nm chip you were to get one.

If I were you, I'd bee looking for a higher quality PSU if you plan on overclocking more.

I'm considering one of these:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_044638.png

I think the 650 one will be more then sufficient, even if i OC to 4 GHz and do an OCed crossfire in the future, no?

[CrackerJack]

nevermind, duh you said Everest

[t_ski]

I agree with the doc on the 12v rail. Looks like it's dipping too much.

[CrackerJack]

my looks ok, don't it?
http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/psu.jpg

[HTC]

nevermind, duh you said Everest

Here's a quick guide:

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_044926.png

And

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_045058.png


Here's a pic of Riva Tuner monitoring @ idle (just replying to these posts):

http://img.techpowerup.org/080523/2008-05-24_045637.png

Riva says' those drops were to 11.87.

@ t_ski: what do you think about those PSUs in the pic of my previous post?

[CrackerJack]

HTC, yeah i found it. thanks though.