X1800 series experiences / overclock results etc.

[kitt3]

Okay soon ill be gettin x1800 , so if u r current x1800 owner post what u like about it and dislike about it , and tell us some tips if u got some ;)

the owners of Ati x1800 series are:

1 ) bb7 ridder

2) 1337 Cehacker

3) GoLLuM 4444

4) G man 215

5) Flashne

6) TooFast

7)Steevo

8)mR YeLLow

9)Onecool

10) HyperSonik

11) Poge

12) SilverHaze

Note : Ill keep updating the names ;) put this in ur sig be proud of ur number . ;)

[Thermopylae_480]

Oooh! An elitest club for the fabulously wealthy. Just want to seperate yourself from all us poor people huh. Just kidding I'm just jealous:) . I hope you enjoy the card, and you'll have to tell us all about it.:)

Seriously, does anyone here have one yet, I would like to hear what you think about it if you do.

[kitt3]

Iam soon goin to trade my stupid 6800 leadtek with it , which one should i get ?

[Solaris17]

^ yes quite..............hey i noticed ive been posting alot in the last 5 min with a little more effort all responses will be by me muahhhh:)

[kitt3]

Did u guys check these !!

http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r520/ghz/

1ghz core, 2ghz ddr !!!! impressive eh ?

hahah the stick looks funny tho :P

[zOaib]

Did u guys check these !!

http://www.muropaketti.com/3dmark/r520/ghz/

1ghz core, 2ghz ddr !!!! impressive eh ?

hahah the stick looks funny tho :P

my friend hsa the x1800 xt 512mb and he also owns a 7800gtx ko ........... though the gtx is faster than the x1800 he says but the quality of the graphics is way way better than the nvidia , ati really has noticeable improvement on their quality of graphics , and i saw the screens myself , i could really tell the difference , but however , i lvoe ati a lot the price tag on this baby is disheartening although money not beign a problem i still cannot justify spending 600 dollars on a card , where i can an equally faster card for 420+ dollars .............
so i am gonna enjoy my x800 xt pe for now , will wiat till some new stuff comes out moreover the likes of that rumoured 24pipe x1800

[Thermopylae_480]

Sweet. Haha. Now Solaris will have to post here again if he wants to post to all the forums:laugh: .

[kitt3]

my friend hsa the x1800 xt 512mb and he also owns a 7800gtx ko ........... though the gtx is faster than the x1800 he says but the quality of the graphics is way way better than the nvidia , ati really has noticeable improvement on their quality of graphics , and i saw the screens myself , i could really tell the difference , but however , i lvoe ati a lot the price tag on this baby is disheartening although money not beign a problem i still cannot justify spending 600 dollars on a card , where i can an equally faster card for 420+ dollars .............
so i am gonna enjoy my x800 xt pe for now , will wiat till some new stuff comes out moreover the likes of that rumoured 24pipe x1800


Since graphics is better in x1800 , then which one u think has more performance not image quality " Performance " x1800 or 7800gtx ?

[SPHERE]

with the new drivers the x1800 id say is the best performer. :)

[kitt3]

lol lez see how many ppl own this card, my local store was like give it some time till ppl buy it and test it and wait and read their reviews lol !! still waitin :D

[Slayerstaps]

Show us some benchmark scores when u get it.

Would really like to see how it preforms

But damn some people are to whealty ;)

[dolf]

Currently I am running my "old miserable" X800XT PE AGP. Definitely I am not from these wealthy people that you speak for but for video hardware I always can do my best and to strain myself for "a certain" 500-600USD. The next upgrade will be for sure one of these honeys X1800XT or 7800GTX 512MB (or Ultra) but it is too early to say. I am more inclined to remain on ATI but for sure I will wait for the next revision of the core (R580) and probably X1800XT PE or X1850XT PE :D ? Only the time will show what will be....

[zOaib]

Since graphics is better in x1800 , then which one u think has more performance not image quality " Performance " x1800 or 7800gtx ?

honestly with the games out right now , u really cant tell the difference while playing them with either card , only the graphics are a lot better on the ati , HOWEVER when my friend benchmarked the cards is where we found out the gtx is faster ................ but during play i liked the ATI better cause i had everything maxed on the settings on both cards . and ati held its ground ...................... u also have to keep in mind ATI is only using 16 pipes vs 24 pipes , and it still manages to keep up pretty close to shoulder with the gtx

[kitt3]

According to AT's benches:

BF2
1600x1200 0xAA
7800GT SLI..........101
x1800XT...............98

1600x1200 4xAA
7800GT SLI...........88
x1800XT...............82

2048x1536 0xAA
7800GT SLI...........94
x1800XT...............68

2048x1536 4xAA
7800GT SLI...........71
x1800XT...............56

1900x1200 0xAA *no GT comparison
x1800XT..............78

1900x1200 4xAA *no GT comparison
x1800XT..............63


impressive ;)
Remember x1800xt price compared to gtx , x1800 is way cheaper than gtx , and they r pretty even right !!

[kitt3]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4444/untitled1jb.th.png

[bb7_rider]

i got a x1800xl about a week ago, still waiting for a decent stable OC tool that will also save my settings and load them at startup, using the beta "overclocker" tool but it doesnt save settings at startup and when i run memtest for a while i get a random beep and it resets settings to defaults, might have it OC'ed a bit too high, so much work to do ocing a new pc and building a waterchiller from a AC unit at the same time :laugh: stock benchmarks are lower than my 7800gt was though, but this card has a LOT more overclocking headroom

[kitt3]

Is it a good performer ?

[bb7_rider]

so far very good, and im glad i got it, just getting everything working benchmarking trying to find stable OC etc, this systems less than 2 weeks old still working on burning in my x2 :laugh:

[kitt3]

So comparing it to 7800 gtx which one is a better performer !! :D

[bb7_rider]

So comparing it to 7800 gtx which one is a better performer !! :D
dont know, i never had a gtx only a gt, at stock speeds the gt benchmarks higher (about 300 3dmark05points, from memory so not much) but as has been said, this card overclocks insanely well

[kitt3]

dont know, i never had a gtx only a gt, at stock speeds the gt benchmarks higher (about 300 3dmark05points, from memory so not much) but as has been said, this card overclocks insanely well


Yeah it has a fancy Heatsink looks like an Ipod :P , aaah so u got the x1800xl or the xt ?

[bb7_rider]

i got the XL, probably wont see the xt in Aus for quite some time, i dont know how the stock cooler performs as i ripped it straight off and put my waterblock on it but i can say it looks good with ruby on it :D and looking at the way its designed it should work alright, better than some stock coolers like the one on my 7800 anyway, still cant compete with my watercooling, especially with air from the AC running through my radiator 24/7 :)

[kitt3]

wow u got pretty nice cooler !! , runnin from ur AC lol nice stuff . send me ur heatsink since u ripped it off the video card by mail :p


jp :P

anyways , once u overclock it let me know the results for the 3dmarks ;)

[bb7_rider]

wow u got pretty nice cooler !! , runnin from ur AC lol nice stuff . send me ur heatsink since u ripped it off the video card by mail :p


jp :P

anyways , once u overclock it let me know the results for the 3dmarks ;)
its only untill i get my chiller running and have -40c alcohol running through the system LOL im not looking forward to insulating everything though :(

[kitt3]

lol , remember many people said its the best in overclockin , wonder why ATI added this feature on x1000 series !!

[1337cshacker]

Since graphics is better in x1800 , then which one u think has more performance not image quality " Performance " x1800 or 7800gtx ?
x1800 xt. (fyi, count me in this club)

[kitt3]

So far the people who got x1000 series r

1) bb7_rider

2) 1337cshacker

3) soon me ( kitt3)

[wazzledoozle]

Why do you people WANT an X1800? For the price of a XL you could get a 7800GTX

[G3n3®@1]

because they oc very well and with the oc pwn a gtx ;)

[kitt3]

Why do you people WANT an X1800? For the price of a XL you could get a 7800GTX


what r u talkin about x1000 series r cheaper

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814170087 check this and


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102612

x1000 series r way too cheap ...

However , i keep readin the reviews and many people said that Saphhier heats up alot , however the x1800 xl pro got a better heatsink ..

check this out

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1617114&SRCCODE=WEBINK&CMP=OTC-INKTOMI

[wtf8269]

Ahh, I'm getting so excited. I have $323 saved up right now, and I have $400 coming my way from selling parts. So I should be able to get an XT and Crossfire motherboard in a few weeks.
:rockout: :toast: :rockout:
What clocks have you been able to get your XL up to, bb7_rider?

[kitt3]

Why dont u go with Gigabyte mobo or ASUS ? and yeah try to get the pro not Saphhier ;)

[wtf8269]

I'm looking into probably getting this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136165) DFI. I've read reviews on it, and it's only major downside is it's USB2 speeds are pretty slow, but the only things I use that are USB-bound are my flash drive and printer. Also it has no SATA-II, but I'm very pleased with my pair of Raptors. :D This beast can actually run a 1T command rate with four sticks of RAM!

[Urlyin]

what r u talkin about x1000 series r cheaper

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814170087 check this and


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102612

x1000 series r way too cheap ...

However , i keep readin the reviews and many people said that Saphhier heats up alot , however the x1800 xl pro got a better heatsink ..

check this out

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1617114&SRCCODE=WEBINK&CMP=OTC-INKTOMI


That's an Xl look at the XT price here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102624)

[wtf8269]

That's an Xl look at the XT price here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102624)
Yes, Tiger Direct just used a picture of the XT because they're morons.

[1337cshacker]

learn to use pricewatch people. www.pricewatch.com owns. just dont troll around on newegg and think their crap is cheaper.

^^ wtf, seriously, you totally right, their the biggest n00bs.
Why do you people WANT an X1800? For the price of a XL you could get a 7800GTX
even without the OC, it scores a 9000 pwning the 7800 gtx, except in openGL as always.

[wtf8269]

learn to use pricewatch people. www.pricewatch.com owns. just dont troll around on newegg and think their crap is cheaper.

^^ wtf, seriously, you totally right, their the biggest n00bs.

even without the OC, it scores a 9000 pwning the 7800 gtx, except in openGL as always.
There's always Froogle too.;) Plus ATIs flat out do better in 3dm05 than Nvidias. Look at a 6800 compared to an x800 or x850. Big difference.

[kitt3]

First of all iam canadain and the local stores here sells ati x1800 xt and xl cheaper than 7800 gtx , in fact im goin to trade my 6800 leadtek that costs 400 with tax CAD , with x1800 xl and its like 560 CAD while the gtx is like 800 with taxe ^_^ .

[wazzledoozle]

First of all iam canadain and the local stores here sells ati x1800 xt and xl cheaper than 7800 gtx , in fact im goin to trade my 6800 leadtek that costs 400 with tax CAD , with x1800 xl and its like 560 CAD while the gtx is like 800 with taxe ^_^ .
Buy online, you obviously have an internet connection.

[kitt3]

i know its less cheaper online , but as i said im trading my current 6800 thas why !! Iam not goin to buy online this time .

[zOaib]

First of all iam canadain and the local stores here sells ati x1800 xt and xl cheaper than 7800 gtx , in fact im goin to trade my 6800 leadtek that costs 400 with tax CAD , with x1800 xl and its like 560 CAD while the gtx is like 800 with taxe ^_^ .

kit can u get me a price on the 1800 xt , and tell me how mcuh in us dollars , i can send u the money or paypal it to u to purchase it , i think its too expensive in usa right now .......... appreciate your help , thx.

[kitt3]

kit can u get me a price on the 1800 xt , and tell me how mcuh in us dollars , i can send u the money or paypal it to u to purchase it , i think its too expensive in usa right now .......... appreciate your help , thx.


Okay, this friday iam goin to the store , ill ask him for the exact price includin taxes with shipment price too . Now if u wana be in touch with me this is my msn windsor_playa@hotmail.com

aim kittemk never on :P


kitte@mkservers.com my personal email

ttul ;)

[kitt3]

Okay, this friday iam goin to the store , ill ask him for the exact price includin taxes with shipment price too . Now if u wana be in touch with me this is my msn windsor_playa@hotmail.com

aim kittemk never on :P


kitte@mkservers.com my personal email

ttul ;)

lol look at this

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/92/043yv.jpg

[zOaib]

lol look at this

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/92/043yv.jpg


someone has a great sense of understanding and humour. ;)

[intel igent]

ahhh the great Sampsa :laugh: ?

[GoLLuM4444]

ahhh the great Sampsa :laugh: ?
It is indeed. Count me in this club. I'm getting crossfire X1800XTs at the end of the month.

[wtf8269]

It is indeed. Count me in this club. I'm getting crossfire X1800XTs at the end of the month.
Damn, what the hell are you going to do with those GTXs?

[kitt3]

7800 gtx got like 24 pip... while the x1800 xt got like 16 , how come ATI didnt make the x1800 xl or xt with 24 pip too ?

[intel igent]

@ kitt3 -- poor yields?

@ wtf8269 -- sell them 2 u? :laugh:

:toast:

[wtf8269]

I think ATI wanted to prove a point by totally reinventing everything whereas nVidea simply added some more pipelines and upped the clocks a little. Now all ATI has to do is add more pipelines for say a Platinum Edition or x1850 series.

[bb7_rider]

i got the x1800xl for $650, the 7800 gtx is $995

[intel igent]

i got the x1800xl for $650, the 7800 gtx is $995

where are you getting these prices from?

[zOaib]

i got the x1800xl for $650, the 7800 gtx is $995

WHAT :eek:

u can get the x1800xl for under $400 at www.newegg.com

[wtf8269]

i got the x1800xl for $650, the 7800 gtx is $995
You sure that isn't in yen?:laugh:

[bb7_rider]

I'm in Australia...

[nightelf84]

I'm in Australia...

900+ for GTX? YOu sure you're not getting ripped off? http://www.pccasegear.com/prod2654.htm

In Australia, the GTX is about 50-80 dollars more expensive than the XL, and thats probably because most shops have not updated their prices.

[wtf8269]

I'm in Australia...
Yes, I was well aware you didn't live anywhere in Japan. I said yen because of how insane the conversion is. The XL which costs around $370 USD on Newegg would be about 43,600 yen.

[wazzledoozle]

You know what people, im not gonna say anything.

ATI needs people like you right now ;)

[kitt3]

In the local stores the x1800 xl Sapphire is around $441 ( with tax ) . On the other hand , the x1800 xt is about $640.50 .

Note: These prices are in US prices . ;)

[bb7_rider]

yea the gtx was 995 i didnt buy it, i paid $550 for my gt
both Gigabyte cards.
the 1800XL i got i paid $650 for, ive seen them as low as $625 but as i got mine 2 days after it was out im not too fussed over $25
edit: anyone know what the x1800s dont work with Aq3?

[TooFast]

Where the hell can i buy this card!!!!

[kitt3]

Depend on where u live , but ppl usully buy them in newegg.com but i think they r too expensive ;)

[TooFast]

I live in Canada and i cant find it anywhere?

[Slayerstaps]

Bleh, i really need one of these too. Maybe i'll get a X1800 XL don kno yet though. But anyways my oc'ed 6800 is getting crappy can barely run CoD2 with nice settings...

[gman215]

just got sapphire x1800xl this week
been doing benchmark and stressing test
so far so good but having problem in some games

starship troopers demo got white screen no game menu when loaded:confused:
display corruption on cod2 smokes only (got weird pixel when smokes)<---i think driver problem
benchmark no artifacts after 5 hours stressing it

waiting for 5.11;) to solve this problem

bb7_rider you need to update Direcpll.dll file in aqumark3 for it to work

[Andi64]

Can you do some overclocking tests with ATiTool? I'm going to buy a new card... but I don't know if the X1800XL is better than a 7800GT

[bb7_rider]

bb7_rider you need to update Direcpll.dll file in aqumark3 for it to work
i thought that was the case, but the aq3 site seems to be down for me? can you link me to it, thanks heaps :o

[gman215]

i thought that was the case, but the aq3 site seems to be down for me? can you link me to it, thanks heaps :o

i cant remember what site i get it try google it i get it that way
google for "hotfix aquamark3" or "direcpll-153"

@ andi64

atitool still dosent support x1800 so cant do overclocking but there tool from driverheaven that can overclock x1000 series ( i'm waiting for atitool )
seem that people can overclock x1800xl nicely and reached x1800xt speed with proper cooling

my mb holding me back for overclocking

[Slayerstaps]

Show some X1800 oc scores soon then would like to see that ;)

[Flashnc]

i have the ATI X1800XL but it sits on my desk looking all sexy waiting for the A8N32 Deluxe-SLI i have preordered..coupling that with the nice shiny new OCZ4200EL (TCCD's) 2x512.

Flash

[gman215]

anyone got other x1800xl beside sapphire card?
i need other bios to try it with sapphire card
can anyone upload it in bios collection(gecube,msi, powercolor x1800xl owner)

btw if i change the bios will i void the warranty?

[AMDCam]

Yeah you'll probably void the warranty if you need to have it fixed from a bad flash, but if you reflash it to original before you take it back (if you need to) then they shouldn't be able to tell. You're the first person I know of that has this card so I guess you just gotta wait for other people, but congratulations dude.

[bb7_rider]

i have a gecube, how do i get my bios off the card so i can upload it here :o

[SPHERE]

atitool/settings/misc/dumpbios. :)

[bb7_rider]

i get an error message saying could not get bios from card :(

[gman215]

i get an error message saying could not get bios from card :(

i guess the atitool beta 8 still dosent support dumpbios for x1000 series

xl at xt speed in other forum
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78054&page=1

[wtf8269]

I went to that link. Found this (http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=88559) page there, looks like a really nice tool. You can even up the volts on the fly! I think that is what I'm going to use when I get my XT unless ATITool is going to have voltage options as well.

[bb7_rider]

thats what i use, i wish they would just release the proper drivers etc already, that tools pretty buggy, and the 3dmark05 site reads my card as generic card 0mhz/0mhz or some crap like that, come on ati, youve never been known for excellent driver updates but these cards have been out for a month now...

[kitt3]

Bah i thought Wizzard got the beta for x1000 series !! or iam wrong ?

[kitt3]

Can you do some overclocking tests with ATiTool? I'm going to buy a new card... but I don't know if the X1800XL is better than a 7800GT

Well in my opinion overclockin x1800 xl is way easier , nicer and smoother. On the other hand , 7800 gt is also pretty nice video card , google is ur friend :) try to find some reviews on both cards ;) .

[TooFast]

just got the ati x1800xl (just till the xt comes in) 7100 in 3d 05

[kitt3]

i see in ur sig u got 850 xt lol , its pretty good card , i wonder wat u have done with it !! :s

[TooFast]

i see in ur sig u got 850 xt lol , its pretty good card , i wonder wat u have done with it !! :s


I sold it,

[TooFast]

3d mark05 7100 with x1800xl

[kitt3]

3d mark05 7100 with x1800xl

nice.


SOLD IT

well where did u sell it ? I wana sell mine too 6800 so i can get the x1800 xl or i might trade it with local stores . :S

[AMDCam]

Dang guys, it's just 2000 extra points (over the last generation, which I remember as being around 5-6000 for 6800GT's (overclocked) and X8#0 XT's). I would wait for technical improvement instead of just an architecture improvement (like physically 24 pipelines, not just better architecture that makes it perform like 24 pipelines). The R580 is what I would wait for. But still, for you guys who have that card, congratulations, it's definitely a great card.

[kitt3]

Dang guys, it's just 2000 extra points (over the last generation, which I remember as being around 5-6000 for 6800GT's (overclocked) and X8#0 XT's). I would wait for technical improvement instead of just an architecture improvement (like physically 24 pipelines, not just better architecture that makes it perform like 24 pipelines). The R580 is what I would wait for. But still, for you guys who have that card, congratulations, it's definitely a great card.


yeah , im not really convinced with this idea of 16 pipes :S . but x1000 series got fancy heatsinks and really beasts in overclockin , also i heard the atitool will add an voltage raise feature for x1000 series only , which makes it best in overclocking.Remember Geforce is pushing ATI down the hill , they juss released an 7800 gtx 512 . I mean wow juss go take a look at the heatsink how big is it although its 512 mb with 24 pipes . I think ATI should start pulling their sox , to compete with Geforce .

[gman215]

hey guys i decided take out my heatsink from my x1800xl

the core
R520
215RFLBKA14FG
N21951.00
0536AAY
TAIWAN

and the mem is 1.4ns
(quite scared me when someone posting in other forum they got 2.0ns)
look good to me :)

[dolf]

Guys, can somebody try to conduct fuse research for R520 using the new revision of ATITool and to post results if it is possible at all. Probably it will reveal some interesting facts about number of pipes for these GPU's :) .

[SPHERE]

Guys, can somebody try to conduct fuse research for R520 using the new revision of ATITool and to post results if it is possible at all. Probably it will reveal some interesting facts about number of pipes for these GPU's :) .
wizzard told me that the r520 doesn't use fuses :)

[gman215]

active pipelines reporting in beta 9 is 16

[kitt3]

pssh Geforce will hit 30 pipes in next generation while ATI still using 16 ?

lol some1 send them email :S .

[kitt3]

I was lookin thru some forums and some one posted this sayin x1800 xl is too cheap .

http://staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=x1800

and then lata some1 said its not comparable to 7800 gt . lol i guess we need to read some more reviews .

Read this : http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/sapphire_radeonx1800xl/x1800xl-3.shtml :

Later on some1 said he would juss pay $100 more to get the gtx :S . Well ...


He said : But u can overclock it to 750MHz and then it cream a GTX at 550.
or u can pay another $50 and get http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin...h.cgi?q=x1800xt
:P



People kept fighting of which card perform most . To be honest with u x1800 xl performs betta , with that fancy heatsink and the insane overclockin ability it really creams the gtx..


Note: Many people say that 7800 gt scores more points than the x1800 xl in benchmarks due to lack of pipelines . Well to let u all know that , this card is new and ATI havnt released any drivers or update to it . Give it some more time ......

[bb7_rider]

sorry, thats not the case, i currently own a x1800xl and a 7800 GT so i think i am qualified to comment here, the 7800 gt beats the x1800 at stock clocks, and with both oc'ed with my 7800 gt at lower clocks it still wins, (about 300 points in 3d mark 05 from memory) im about to do some more benchmarks, but at the moment my highest 3dmark 05 score was 7996, thats with a 3800x2 running at 2.75ghz and the card overclocked to somewhere around 640/1300 (dont remember, thats why im about to benchmark again) in comparison my 7800 gt at 484/1200 got 83xx and that was with my processor at 2.5, although the ram was only 1 gig back then so tighter timings than the 2 gig i have now, but overall i expected much much better form this card (with its high clocks compared to the 7800 i was actually hoping to hit AT LEAST 9k)
edit: my point being the 7800gtx kills the gt then whats it gonna do to my poor x1800 :(

[kitt3]

sorry, thats not the case, i currently own a x1800xl and a 7800 GT so i think i am qualified to comment here, the 7800 gt beats the x1800 at stock clocks, and with both oc'ed with my 7800 gt at lower clocks it still wins, (about 300 points in 3d mark 05 from memory) im about to do some more benchmarks, but at the moment my highest 3dmark 05 score was 7996, thats with a 3800x2 running at 2.75ghz and the card overclocked to somewhere around 640/1300 (dont remember, thats why im about to benchmark again) in comparison my 7800 gt at 484/1200 got 83xx and that was with my processor at 2.5, although the ram was only 1 gig back then so tighter timings than the 2 gig i have now, but overall i expected much much better form this card (with its high clocks compared to the 7800 i was actually hoping to hit AT LEAST 9k)
edit: my point being the 7800gtx kills the gt then whats it gonna do to my poor x1800 :(


I dont get did u read the review i post , xl is givin the gt hard time in benchmarks !!!

http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/sapphire_radeonx1800xl/x1800xl-3.shtml

[bb7_rider]

I dont get did u read the review i post , xl is givin the gt hard time in benchmarks !!!

http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/sapphire_radeonx1800xl/x1800xl-3.shtml

thats like if i owned a honda civic, and once a review said they can do 180 mp/h but testing it myself i proved that obviously they cant, then you trying to tell me that because an innnnndependent review once said it it must be fact.

my results are different and i own both so i think i can make pretty good judgement on it, how many people on this forum can say they currently own both? i do take back part of what i said though, i just hit 8451 beating the gt by about 200 points, (processor was clocked 200mhz lower when i used the gt though) i also get complete system lockups at anything over 1.15 vcore for some strange reason... its not temp related, currently running at 17 degrees :) i still expected much better from this card though its certainly not 7800 killer or anything.



edit: i just looked at that review and eveythings tested at 1600x1200, i only have the free version of 3dmark which is 1024x768, maybe the atis are better at higher resolutions, but i cant test that.

[dolf]

BB7, I will remain ATI fan even a lot of things in ATI that irritates me and some testing results. But meanwhile I understand you very well and believe your words. I consider that you are objective. In order to help you to be objective to the end and to bring us (which are wondering what exactly card to choose for the future upgrade) more reliable results on higher resolutions for both nVidia and ATI I will attach a keygen which will solve your "problem" with 1024x768 resolution only;) .

Here it is one 3Dmark05 keygen. You can't register online (on the FutureMark site) with that but you will have all the options accessible. Just unpack and change the extension (.jpg) to .exe :) .

[bb7_rider]

thanks, ill keep you posted :)
im gona sound like an idiot but i cant remember how to change file extensions? didnt you used to just type .exe after the file name? nothings happening :$ stays as a jpeg, how do you change it sorry stupid question i know
edit: fixed it

just scored 5200 @ 1600x1200 with all setting maxed out dont know how that compares to the 7800 gt i dont want to reformat to try it lol, the 7800 gt is in a rig with a 3700+ with a 1 gig ram kit running 2-2-2-5 so it wouldnt really be a fair comparison... considering thiss is a dual core with half the cache and ballistix at 3-3-3-6 i might install windows on this comp on another hdd tomorrow

[kitt3]

thanks, ill keep you posted :)
im gona sound like an idiot but i cant remember how to change file extensions? didnt you used to just type .exe after the file name? nothings happening :$ stays as a jpeg, how do you change it sorry stupid question i know
edit: fixed it

just scored 5200 @ 1600x1200 with all setting maxed out dont know how that compares to the 7800 gt i dont want to reformat to try it lol, the 7800 gt is in a rig with a 3700+ with a 1 gig ram kit running 2-2-2-5 so it wouldnt really be a fair comparison... considering thiss is a dual core with half the cache and ballistix at 3-3-3-6 i might install windows on this comp on another hdd tomorrow

Games in these days "Do Not" need performance inorder to play it . Most of them r made to enjoy the graphix they have. Like FEAR uses more than 256 mb or bf2 , doom 3 !! . Well proly thas the reason ATI gets a better score at higher resolutions . Belive it or not , setting any card for instance , 6800 gt at high performance " Which lowers the graphix " wont do anything in bf2 or doom3 . xcept u will lose graphix . I hope u get my point , scoring aint nuttin important with defualt settings . ;)

[TooFast]

Can anybody tell me what the core and memory speeds are in the ati control center for the x1800xt 512 , mine are running very low, VGA 594 and memory 693, i tried to overclock it and it wont go any higher, i also ran 3dmark05 and got 8100.

[Steevo]

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum 235Mhz FSB
Sapphire X1800XT @ 690-775 5.11cats
AMD64 4000+ @ 2.9 1.5v
512 megs of crappy Value Select Corsair (Waiting on my OCZ Platinum!)
2 Maxtor 300Gb Sata (Nvidia RAID 0)
Lite-on DVD-R DL etc....
Antec 1050B Performance case w/ 500w modular smart PS
Win XP Home SP2

[dolf]

bb7_rider use total commander to change .jpg to .exe and have fun :D .

[wtf8269]

Well I just finally got my setup to load windows (This RDX200 is really picky), but I'm having problems getting all the drivers working. But once I do I'll post some benchies from my GPU.

[TooFast]

overclocked my x1800xt 512 to 675/1600 got 8525 in 3dmark 05

[kitt3]

pssh whenever i wana check this thread i gotta dig thru the video cards forum to find it , this should be sticky .

Anyways , he scored pretty high 9729 i guess its impressive ;) . On the other hand , any1 tried yet to see if there is any xtra pipes to unlock ?

[TooFast]

any crossfire x1800xt benchmarks?

[OneCool]

X1800XT :rockout:

[Steevo]

9824

No screenie, it crashed after :( Took five attempts to get it to run. Kept crashing on CPU tests, think I need to relax the RAM latency.

Anywho..


X1800XT Sapphire (Pull the sticker, see the ATI sticker) 690/780 VGPU @ 1.30 5.11cats
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum Mobo
1Gb OCZ (2X512) DDR400 2.2.2.5 @ 2.7v
AMD 64 4000+ @ 3.0 Ghz (Too warm) 6% Over Voltage ?????
Silicon RAID 0 2X 300Gb Maxtor SATA's 13ms seek-122MBps peak-102 average 64K stripe
Bla bla bla........

I have a Arctic Freeze64 cooler on the way. More later.

[Slayerstaps]

This thread has it's title now adjusted and i sticky'd it.
keep things clean and enjoy.

[mR Yellow]

overclocked my x1800xt 512 to 675/1600 got 8525 in 3dmark 05

Is that all? I get 9200 in 05 on my OC'ed XL @ 650 / 650 :rockout:

*Edit. this is stable with ATiTool beta9. Will try going higher with beta10.

[OneCool]

http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/3479/untitled2wh.th.jpg (http://img499.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled2wh.jpg)

:respect: :rockout:

[TooFast]

Is that all? I get 9200 in 05 on my OC'ed XL @ 650 / 650 :rockout:

*Edit. this is stable with ATiTool beta9. Will try going higher with beta10.


i have an intel cpu that must be why im getiing low scores

[mR Yellow]

i have an intel cpu that must be why im getiing low scores

Could be CPU limitation.

[Hypersonik]

Its not CPU limitation, its the CPU tests on 3DM05. I have a skt 478 P4 3.0@3.6 and an X1800XL. With the XL at 550/550, I achieved 7000 which is pretty rubbish. CS:source demo 1280x1024 max detail 4af 4aa scored 130fps which is pretty decent afaik. Lets face it, AMD is owning all Pentiums, unless you have a Dothan!

Slightly different now, does anyone have a problem with their anti virus (I'm using McAfee) software deleting ATiTool? Using the driver heaven tool at the moment, but its a pain to readjust after every boot.

[mR Yellow]

Slightly different now, does anyone have a problem with their anti virus (I'm using McAfee) software deleting ATiTool? Using the driver heaven tool at the moment, but its a pain to readjust after every boot.

I had the same problem. Beta10 is out which corrects this issue ;)

[Hypersonik]

Nice! Can someone then tell me why, if I use CCC overdrive, that my pc automatically restarts? I'm sure something is wrong with my card!

[mR Yellow]

Nice! Can someone then tell me why, if I use CCC overdrive, that my pc automatically restarts? I'm sure something is wrong with my card!

Try using only ATiTool and see what happens. If it does the same thing let us know.

[Hypersonik]

No, but my card will not overvolt than .025v without VPU recover kicking in. In addition, I cant run at stock speeds without getting artifacts, and ATiTool starts to lower my clocks :(
RMAing would be a pain as it will have to go to ATi in Canada and i'm in the UK. The only other thing is to buy another card and get a refund for the one I have?

[mR Yellow]

No, but my card will not overvolt than .025v without VPU recover kicking in. In addition, I cant run at stock speeds without getting artifacts, and ATiTool starts to lower my clocks :(
RMAing would be a pain as it will have to go to ATi in Canada and i'm in the UK. The only other thing is to buy another card and get a refund for the one I have?

Firstly artifact testing doesn't work in beta9. Install beta10 and go into ATiTool settings and set the arti scanning method to "old more reliable method".

Secondly, disable these two services: ATI hotkey poller and ATI smart.

Try this and give us feedback.

[Hypersonik]

Hmm, did the trick..ish! On 1.12v, I achieved 577core. aborted after running 5 mins of that. Ran memory and its went past 600, but black screened randomly at 616. I have a Zalman Vf-700Cu on it and it still reaches 70ºC! I have a feeling I was a bit stingy with the AS5, so i might remount the cooler. I suppose I should try upping the volts. I know that XT's run at 1.3vCore, whats the max for the (supposedly identical) XL?

[TooFast]

well im going AMD x2 4800, screw intel im sick of these low scores. pentium 4 EE 3.73 was a big waste of money.

[mR Yellow]

well im going AMD x2 4800, screw intel im sick of these low scores. pentium 4 EE 3.73 was a big waste of money.

AMD is best for gaming ;)

[Hypersonik]

Yes, AMD is best for gaming, but dont believe all this CPU limitation rubbish! Yes it does happen, but the graphics will always be the limiting factor unless you really want to play at 9876498563fps! I must say, that my intel is doing me proud. I paid £125 june 2004 and its still going strong. Plus, hyperthreading is a really useful feature for the smooth running general desktop apps. Bit off topic sorry!

[TooFast]

well if you see the benchmarks for the x2 vs intel ...................the x2 makes the the pentiums look like p3s

[Steevo]

Not in 3Dmark05.

My single core 4000+ is eating a friends 4400+ X2 alive. And I still haven't hit the top on mine yet, just need a little more cooling.

[Hypersonik]

well if you see the benchmarks for the x2 vs intel ...................the x2 makes the the pentiums look like p3s
Intel Dothan beats everying in games...funny how its based on P3 arhitecture!!

[kitt3]

This thread has it's title now adjusted and i sticky'd it.
keep things clean and enjoy.


love u lol , thanks ;)

[mikeguava]

with the new drivers the x1800 id say is the best performer. :)
unfortunately not :twitch:

[Hypersonik]

Well it seems that my X1800XL doesnt like overclocking or volts. Max stable in games seems to be 1.1v and 560/550 which is WAY down on what I expected. Even using a Zalman Vf-700Cu hasnt helped the cause:(

[kitt3]

Well it seems that my X1800XL doesnt like overclocking or volts. Max stable in games seems to be 1.1v and 560/550 which is WAY down on what I expected. Even using a Zalman Vf-700Cu hasnt helped the cause:(


lol lemme tell u somethin , my 6800 gt runs on 1.3 v "Defualt" can be flashed to 1.4v . Now a huge vid card like x1800xl cannot be set at 1.1v :S:S:S. About overclockin it , it should be easy as cream , just wait for the new Ati ;)

[TooFast]

well its done got my X2 4800 in, had many problems getting it to work, scsi problems etc.................anyway i scored 9300 with my x1800xt 512 @ 675 1600 vs my intel 3.73 that scored 8500..........so AMD rocks!!!

[kitt3]

well its done got my X2 4800 in, had many problems getting it to work, scsi problems etc.................anyway i scored 9300 with my x1800xt 512 @ 675 1600 vs my intel 3.73 that scored 8500..........so AMD rocks!!!


There are many articles out there , P4 vs Amd , and Amd always wins . google this ;)

[Steevo]

Well it seems that my X1800XL doesnt like overclocking or volts. Max stable in games seems to be 1.1v and 560/550 which is WAY down on what I expected. Even using a Zalman Vf-700Cu hasnt helped the cause:(


The XL insn't the XT.


Higher volts make more heat, but allow the clocks to go higher. Unless if the core is maxed out already, and or the latentcy needs adjusted.

From what I have read the XL core has a shim or something in place to interfere with heat dissapation. To prevent XL's form reaching XT speeds.

[Hypersonik]

A shim eh? Hmm, dubious! I've just seen lots of them overclocking well. I wonder if its the bios or something, somesort of cutout if v=>1.x or something?

[Hypersonik]

Just ben doing some research. You know, I bought an X1800XL, instead of a 7800GT, because of the mighty overclocks they were meant to achieve! I had no idea it would require so much arsing around! Here we go:
Disabling ATi smart and Hotkey poller are the way to go
CCC is rubbish, so dont even attempt to use it to OC anyway
Set the voltages using ATi Tool, mem OCing causes black screen lockup apparently (I can vouch for this too!)
Peform the overclock using the Driverheaven OC tool only using 2D mode only

I still think that the BIOS has something to do with these card performance. Isnt ATi releasing a 256Mb version of the XT???:D

[POGE]

Thats not a very good score for an xt... my xl scores 8400, the default clocks should be 650/750. I sold my x1800xl because it was kinda.. well crap. Even though it beats a gt, its way to expensive. Im gonna buy 2 7800gt's. :)

[mR Yellow]

Im gonna buy 2 7800gt's. :)

What a waste....

[kitt3]

hey yellow sent u pm check it out :)

[silverhaze]

Hi all :D

Can i join this club ??

Just ordered my connect3d x1800xt 512 mb,sapphire pure crossfire advantage mobo,4000+ cpu & 2 gig of corsair xms.
Man i can't wait for it to arrive .......Dreaming of running 2 x1800xt's in crossfire mode:rockout: :roll: :toast:

[TooFast]

The asus x1800xt top scores 9700 in 3dmark 2005, does anyone know if the card has changed or is it just higher clocks, cause my card is running the same clocks and i only score 9325.

[kitt3]

Hi all :D

Can i join this club ??

Just ordered my connect3d x1800xt 512 mb,sapphire pure crossfire advantage mobo,4000+ cpu & 2 gig of corsair xms.
Man i can't wait for it to arrive .......Dreaming of running 2 x1800xt's in crossfire mode:rockout: :roll: :toast:


holy shit !! good cpu good vid card. How much did it cost u ?

[OneCool]

holy shit !! good cpu good vid card. How much did it cost u ?

A piece of shit motherboard :D

[TooFast]

A piece of shit motherboard :D


and why is that a shit board?

[Hypersonik]

Because he says so! Its obvious hes not being SARCASTIC!!!

[mR Yellow]

The asus x1800xt top scores 9700 in 3dmark 2005, does anyone know if the card has changed or is it just higher clocks, cause my card is running the same clocks and i only score 9325.

Its the same as a std x1800XT with just a higher clockspeed.

[TooFast]

Its the same as a std x1800XT with just a higher clockspeed.


well i put my card 2 the same clock speeds and got 9325 vs 9685?

[mR Yellow]

well i put my card 2 the same clock speeds and got 9325 vs 9685?

That could be due to difference in system setup.

[VTwedge]

well just to answer kitts post who owns a 6800:) i had nvidia cards ranging from the time they had the tnt's out. well lets say that my X800GTO modded to 16 pipelines and oc and running at 520/520 creams my roomates 6800 ultra even when overclocked in 3d05 (yeah i know im out of the subject here) and hes running it on an fx55 lol:) sorry couldn't resist;)

[mR Yellow]

well just to answer kitts post who owns a 6800:) i had nvidia cards ranging from the time they had the tnt's out. well lets say that my X800GTO modded to 16 pipelines and oc and running at 520/520 creams my roomates 6800 ultra even when overclocked in 3d05 (yeah i know im out of the subject here) and hes running it on an fx55 lol:) sorry couldn't resist;)

Plus, im sure u'll notice that the image quality on your ATi cards is better ;)

[VTwedge]

that is correct dear sir!

[silverhaze]

I payed just over £800 for 4000+ cpu x1800xt 512(savastore.com)Sapphire PURE CrossFire Advantage skt 939 8 channel audio(Ebyer)and a 120 gig maxtor HD from overclockers.co.uk

I allready have 2 gig corsair xms and the other stuff i need.

And why would any one say this mobo was crap ? The ATI chip got one of the best reviews i have ever read http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2542 and seeing that the sapphire has the same chip and they also work real close with ATI.
I think this mobo will be just perfict for what i want :).....

I don't know were any of you guys are from but here in the UK you can pick up a x1800xt for about £100 less than you can a nvidia gtx and from all the reviews i have read on both (and their have been lots) made me go for the x1800xt.And im just dreaming about getting a master x1800xt to run along side it :D

[thegooner]

My results with an X1800XT:-

3dmark2k1 - 38,151
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8804875

3dmark03 - 18,770
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4418167

3dmark05 - 10,107
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1433260

All from an SN25P Shuttle, specs below.

:)

[TooFast]

My results with an X1800XT:-

3dmark2k1 - 38,151
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8804875

3dmark03 - 18,770
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4418167

3dmark05 - 10,107
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1433260

All from an SN25P Shuttle, specs below.

:)


wow those r some high scores

[thegooner]

wow those r some high scores

Cheers fella :)

Once I find a reliable way to overclock the X1800XT I am going to try higher.

[TooFast]

new score for x1800xt with 5.12 drviers 9674

[TooFast]

new score for x1800xt with 5.12 drviers 9674

core 690 mem 1600

[thegooner]

new score for x1800xt with 5.12 drviers 9674

Hey nice result, must download them and give them a go :)

[TooFast]

where r all the x1800xt mastercards?????????????????

[kitt3]

well just to answer kitts post who owns a 6800:) i had nvidia cards ranging from the time they had the tnt's out. well lets say that my X800GTO modded to 16 pipelines and oc and running at 520/520 creams my roomates 6800 ultra even when overclocked in 3d05 (yeah i know im out of the subject here) and hes running it on an fx55 lol:) sorry couldn't resist;)


Iam not Nvidia lover to be honest . But i got 6800 gt for a reason its just because i couldnt buy an x800xl or 850 xt . Due to high price here in local stores . So i traded my 6800 to 6800 gt . Iam a bit happy with it tho . In summer my goal will be buying x1800 xt 512 for sure :D.

I learned somethin from reading many reviews out there . That i shouldnt go with numbers , we all know 7800 gt got 20 pipes and the latest ati card x1800 xt got 16 . Thats true but the way that Ati is built makes it perform better . So numbers dosnt matter much ;)

[kitt3]

i Just updated the 1st post of " The Owners of x1800 series " Check it in first post in this forum . ;)

[gman215]

i Just updated the 1st post of " The Owners of x1800 series " Check it in first post in this forum . ;)


thanks kitt3
look like new ati driver going to boost fps if you have dual core cpu
time to go buy opteron 170

[pheoniXfury]

Anyone here with a problem on the X1800XL where u can't do a certain voltage or else it locks up and VPU recover kicks in? I'm stuck at 1.175v - 630/693...I know the ram will do more but on these cards u need 1.2v+ to get the memory going. (I may have the power leak problem...if so I'm probably gona ditch the mobo and vid card for a new DFI and R580 mid-late next year)

[kitt3]

Some dude wrote somethin about this On coolbits forum . If u have access there lemme know if u dont then let me know ill copy and paste it here . ;) Actully it has been proven x1800xl scores higher . He had a theory .

[pheoniXfury]

if u can post the link or copy and past it...that would be great...couldn't find it.

this'll be good for all X1800XL peeps out there.:toast:

[kitt3]

lol hes some crazy dude well known in overclockin and tests . CHeck his thread out :P

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=428572&page=1


he was runnin the x1800xl fan speed at full speed it droped 6 degrees. Impressive air cooling .

[ThorAxe]

My Powercolor x1800xt 512mb should arrive tomorrow.:)

[OneCool]

Some of you X1800XT users may be interested in this

http://www.k-hardware.de/news.php?s=&news_id=4716&commentsaction=show
Sorry I know its in German :rolleyes:

link to BIOS and flash utility ftp://Kenuhefuqo:Titapelira@81.3.59...ocbiosflash.zip


It works GREAT.You do it right in windows no reinstalling drivers either :toast:

I did it http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled9hm.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/716/untitled7ug.jpg

[pheoniXfury]

hmm...took a look...haven't gone into the other pages but so far everything looks standard to me. I've already read a lot on the XS forums where over 50 ppl have them...lol. I'm just curious about the XL...it's been really random with this card...not everyone can put in more voltage. I can't do over 1.175...and my overclocks will lock up after 1/2-1 hour.

OneCool...so that BIOS takes the XT card to 700/1600 then? I wonder when will there be one for XL that could possibly make it more stable....I'm hitting decent clocks but I can't play games for more than 1/2 hour...no artifacts and not even near the clocks that others are getting.

[OneCool]

hmm...took a look...haven't gone into the other pages but so far everything looks standard to me. I've already read a lot on the XS forums where over 50 ppl have them...lol. I'm just curious about the XL...it's been really random with this card...not everyone can put in more voltage. I can't do over 1.175...and my overclocks will lock up after 1/2-1 hour.

OneCool...so that BIOS takes the XT card to 700/1600 then? I wonder when will there be one for XL that could possibly make it more stable....I'm hitting decent clocks but I can't play games for more than 1/2 hour...no artifacts and not even near the clocks that others are getting.


Its not a ASUS X1800XL is it?:(

[Hypersonik]

Well, I have an ATi X1800XL and its eems to be doing all the things everyone else's is doing. Not stable above 1.175v and locks up pretty quick. Managed to do a CS source Video stress test @ 610/650 and got 134fps with full everything. I'm currently running Omega drivers which seem to give me some improved stability. Kitt3, I havent got access to that forum, what did the guy say?

[TooFast]

cool

[benzman]

Driver Version 5.12
CPU AMD64 X2 4400+ No overclock
Gigabyte K8N SLI
Patriot 1024 X 2 DDR400 Dual Channel CL2 @ 1T
Sapphire X1800XT with X1800XT PE BIOS default 700/1600

3dMark05 9588

[pheoniXfury]

no...I have a Built by ATI XL card.

hypersonik...seems like we have the same problem...most ppl are able to put 1.25v into this card but we can't do it:( I can do benchmarks but everything will lock up within an hour of 3D but no artifacts at all... I have 9256 3Dmark05 right now but that clock seems to be too much...even modest oc gives me the exact behaviours.

[Dynamic]

If anybody decides to go CrossFire, here is a link to Monarchcomputer.com for the X1800XT 512 Crossfire edition OEM at $624.

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190265&Category_Code=NA_4

[TooFast]

If anybody decides to go CrossFire, here is a link to Monarchcomputer.com for the X1800XT 512 Crossfire edition OEM at $624.

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190265&Category_Code=NA_4


is there any original ATI crossfire edtion cards out there !!!! not connect 3d

[Dynamic]

I was going to work my ass off for 2-3 weeks to get an GTX 512, but now i'm having second thoughts. You think it's worth getting the X1800XT and flashing it with the XTPE bios to 700/1600 clocks? from the original 625/1500? Now would that Bios work for every X1800XT out there or only for Sapphire models? I play COD2, Quake4, Doom3, and F.E.A.R. So i wanted to know which GFX Card would be a better choice between the GTX 512 and the X1800XT, anyone?

[Dynamic]

is there any original ATI crossfire edtion cards out there !!!! not connect 3d

I'm not sure, the only one that i see is in Monarch, but i'm sure other sites will have the CF editions out soon.

[TooFast]

I was going to work my ass off for 2-3 weeks to get an GTX 512, but now i'm having second thoughts. You think it's worth getting the X1800XT and flashing it with the XTPE bios to 700/1600 clocks? from the original 625/1500? Now would that Bios work for every X1800XT out there or only for Sapphire models? I play COD2, Quake4, Doom3, and F.E.A.R. So i wanted to know which GFX Card would be a better choice between the GTX 512 and the X1800XT, anyone?



x1800xt all the way, 3dmark05 9750 512gtx cant beat that!

[Dynamic]

x1800xt all the way, 3dmark05 9750 512gtx cant beat that!

Yes, i'm aware of ATI owning Nvidia in Futuremark, but what about OPENGL games, hmmm? I mean i can save and go buy an X1800XT for like $530 or go for the GTX 512 for slightly higher. The GTX 512 is faster, but it is going to be phased out around Feb. 2006 for the new comers G71 and G72 to arrive. By then the R580 will strike which is going to be so much faster then the X1800XT. I actually saw some 256meg x1800xt on some sites, but i'm not going for them. Trust me, i've seen practically every review out there for all these cards, but how much of an improvement is that bios flash going to give the x1800xt? How many people tried flashing their cards other then the dude that posted pics?

[Hypersonik]

This is what I am desperate to find out. Can you flash the XL to the XT? I hope it'll cure all the problems I have been having!

[kitt3]

This is what I am desperate to find out. Can you flash the XL to the XT? I hope it'll cure all the problems I have been having!

Iam not sure about that , but anything can be flashed trust me ;) ppl aint stupid out there .

[benzman]

Yes, i'm aware of ATI owning Nvidia in Futuremark, but what about OPENGL games, hmmm? I mean i can save and go buy an X1800XT for like $530 or go for the GTX 512 for slightly higher. The GTX 512 is faster, but it is going to be phased out around Feb. 2006 for the new comers G71 and G72 to arrive. By then the R580 will strike which is going to be so much faster then the X1800XT. I actually saw some 256meg x1800xt on some sites, but i'm not going for them. Trust me, i've seen practically every review out there for all these cards, but how much of an improvement is that bios flash going to give the x1800xt? How many people tried flashing their cards other then the dude that posted pics?

I tried the PE bios, it is completely stable, except the heat is getting quite hot. With the stock cooler, it reaches 88C at full load, so I bought Zalman's Fatal1ty vga cooler, but it still reach 80C at full load. I believe the r520 is very overclockable, heard it can go as high as 1G if watercool.

[kitt3]

Wow coool u guys already flashin this gg.

[benzman]

I dont think you can flash XL to XT as the memory timing is different. Maybe you will get errors......... or even cant boot up the card... I wont take the risk to flash XL to XT. You may just want to use the overclocker to increase the voltgage to get higher core speed!

PS: FOR THE TEMPERATURE ISSUE AFTER PE BIOS FLASH, does 88C (full load) consider an unacceptable temperature for this R520 core? I heard someone saying even 90C is still ok for the new generation card... what do you guys think?

[Hypersonik]

well the 90nm process will allow more heat. The memory is the same on the XL and the XT so I cant see any technical problems like that. AFAIK, the XL is the XT, just clocked lower, all the hardware is the same

[benzman]

the XL uses 1.4ns memory vs XT uses 1.2ns

[pheoniXfury]

The R520 core is very overclockable indeed, but don't expect to go 1G on water...I'd be drooling for a week if that happened. The 1G/1G barrier was broken using dry ice or LN...forgot wich one.

You can expect clocks as high as 800 on the core for XT if u have water....700+ is seen everywhere with air. The XLs are a different story, as they are looking very random now, I'm planning to sell my new system in favor of another one early next year when I can go for a dual 16x with one R580 to start off with. The XLs can do 640/700+ provided that you weren't unlucky like me.:banghead:

As with flashing XL to XT, we'll have to wait till they release a 256MB version of XT card or if someone mods a BIOS of the 512 XT.

[Upke]

the XL uses 1.4ns memory vs XT uses 1.2ns


My XL has 2.0ns, what up with that?

[pheoniXfury]

lol...that's rough...

It does make sense for the companies to use cheaper 500Mhz memory since the default MEM clock is 495Mhz. I've heard that some companies are definitly going that route.

Maybe return that one with an excuse and get a new one from a different maker. 5ns RAM probably won't take you to 600+ or even 700+ memory speeds...so it won't catch up to the XT's performance unfortunately.

[Upke]

Yeah, I might have to, as I'm getting black dot artifacts, at stock speeds in Fear (demo) and in 3D Mark 03. Whats up with that eh?

[pheoniXfury]

If you're running stock...It should be fine.

I've noticed that these cards usually don't give artifacts, if they're too hot, they just crash. I love the pre-9800 days...my 9800Pro never locked up...just artifacts so I know that it's maxed out.

The black dots may actually be a driver bug...we know that these drivers are still in their early stages and we will probably see a lot more fixes and more performance over time.

There is already a confirmed problem with Call of Duty 2 where some game effects are redered incorrectly.

What driver are you running? Maybe checkout the 5.13 beta...u can find it at Guru3D.com...this driver includes HD video hardware acceleration...u'll also find the Avivo Xcode there, but I think it is in its very very early stages.

[ThorAxe]

My Powercolor X1800XT 512mb arrived and worked fine for a day then started to die. It would display pink stripes even in the BIOS. After much research it looks like the memory was bad. Unfortunately I have to wait until the 5th Jan before I can return it as the store I bought it from is on the other side of Australia and is closed over Christmas. :cry: :banghead:

I hadn't even overclocked it.

[Upke]

That sucks dude. :(

I've tried the 5.13 drivers, but everytime my PC boots up it shows a catalyst controle center message like : "CCC needs to find the right settings for SMARTGART, before that it will not function" So I can't run 5.13 Beta. But it should be out today.

Edit: I left my pc on when I went to school today, at 550/550, when I came back it had locked up with complete artifacts. Tried to take it out, and a new fan, etc etc nothing worked. Reset the bios, went to onboard video card. Removed the overclocking program's. And its working now again. I guess overclocking this card is not done for me... :(

[hotrippr]

I am getting frustrated at this card! Has anyone sucessfully Ocd w/stock cooling? I tried disabling ATI services, upping the Voltage, tried Atitool10beta, installed catalyst:banghead: beta5.13, tried with OC tool. The best I can get with this is 547 core, stock mem. I am starting to regret buying. This thing is a pain in the rear to OC! What makes this card worse is that is doesnt work with my DVI-D cable, only works with DVI-i cable, so I have to use stupid VGA cable connected with the ATI dvi/VGA adapter! VGA cable sux!:banghead:

[pheoniXfury]

ouch dude!...now I know why they don't clock the memory so high...I hope you get it replaced as soon as they open up. The 1.2ns memory modules are in mass production but still wouldn't be able to guarantee 100% maybe.

Yeah, the XL cards seem to be giving a hard time...I still don't understand how those people over at XS are able to pull such high clocks with stock and fully stable...maybe in my case the cooler(which I believe is grounded) acts as a shield for EMI (since I'm running a small water block that's not grounded now)?

it seems that it's very possible to get high numbers(630/693) and not have artifacts at all...but the card will lock up after a while. (btw...don't...please don't use auto oc in ATI Tool...only because the card will not show artifacts at all and then the next speed bump will lock it and ATI tool doesn't detect this and will keep trying to put in a higher clock). As soon as I have some time, I will get the stock cooler back on and see what temps and clocks I get.

[Upke]

Yeah same problem here... read my reply above.

That, and that I get artifacts in 3Dmark03 and Fear MP demo.

[zOaib]

well got my x1800 xt today it was the sapphire oem one , when i opened the box , the installation cd was broken due to the way it was shipped i alreayd got abd feeling about the card , well put it in , booted up fine althouhg my asus acreen was all pink without colors , and i wa slike UH UH !! .........anyways came to widnwos fine installed drivers and everythign was fine it detected the card , and then wanted to run 3dmark05 well 3dmark didnt run scereen went blank and my system halted with "no signal shwoing up on the lcd screen" , now the damn thign is in the box back and will ship for a RMA tomorrow , AAAAAAAAHHHHHH !! :cry:

[hotrippr]

5.13 out today, can use overdrive to oc memory now. Catalyst overdrive doesnt crash anymore. I get 65 degrees idle with stock cooling and 547/549 settings. Is that high temp? 3dmark05 locks up, assuming cause of heat. What are some temps people are getting w/stock cooling while idle? I moved my hard discs to the top of my case saw a drop of a couple of degrees. Still 65 seems too high. Anything outhere to cool this thing down? I will probably be getting a new case-see if that goes well.

Well it wasnt the heat making it crash. I opened my case and blew a huge fan in it, upped core to 554, ran 3dmark05, ati fan never turned up once, able to keep it between 50-60 and it still locked up. Probably need more volts. It seems ATI doesnt want it to go past 547. The increase in mem to 549 didnt do much. Kept locking up on the beginning of the 2nd test in the forest.

5.13 also fixed my dvi-d cable problem(kinda). Well the cable only works after windows starts now, better than nothing I guess. Luckily I have a small tv on my desk, so I will use that for BIOS or DOS. Dvi is way better than vga cable, now I can see the difference after having used vga for a couple of weeks. My guess is that one of the BIOS needs to be fixed MB or VidCard to permanently fix the cable prob.

If u r thinking of buying the xl, dont! go dig in the dumpsters for a couple of weeks and recycle those cans to buy the 1800XT, crossfire is out $579 retail.

[ThorAxe]

well got my x1800 xt today it was the sapphire oem one , when i opened the box , the installation cd was broken due to the way it was shipped i alreayd got abd feeling about the card , well put it in , booted up fine althouhg my asus acreen was all pink without colors , and i wa slike UH UH !! .........anyways came to widnwos fine installed drivers and everythign was fine it detected the card , and then wanted to run 3dmark05 well 3dmark didnt run scereen went blank and my system halted with "no signal shwoing up on the lcd screen" , now the damn thign is in the box back and will ship for a RMA tomorrow , AAAAAAAAHHHHHH !! :cry:

Mine would also black screen after starting 3DMark and any other 3d application.

It's interesting that you have a A8N-SLI Premium as this is also the board that I was using. Probably nothing to it though as i have seen a number of reviews and users that have the same board and an x1800xt.

Never thought that I would be waiting for the holidays to be over.:ohwell:

[kitt3]

5.13 out today, can use overdrive to oc memory now. Catalyst overdrive doesnt crash anymore. I get 65 degrees idle with stock cooling and 547/549 settings. Is that high temp? 3dmark05 locks up, assuming cause of heat. What are some temps people are getting w/stock cooling while idle? I moved my hard discs to the top of my case saw a drop of a couple of degrees. Still 65 seems too high. Anything outhere to cool this thing down? I will probably be getting a new case-see if that goes well.

Well it wasnt the heat making it crash. I opened my case and blew a huge fan in it, upped core to 554, ran 3dmark05, ati fan never turned up once, able to keep it between 50-60 and it still locked up. Probably need more volts. It seems ATI doesnt want it to go past 547. The increase in mem to 549 didnt do much. Kept locking up on the beginning of the 2nd test in the forest.

5.13 also fixed my dvi-d cable problem(kinda). Well the cable only works after windows starts now, better than nothing I guess. Luckily I have a small tv on my desk, so I will use that for BIOS or DOS. Dvi is way better than vga cable, now I can see the difference after having used vga for a couple of weeks. My guess is that one of the BIOS needs to be fixed MB or VidCard to permanently fix the cable prob.

If u r thinking of buying the xl, dont! go dig in the dumpsters for a couple of weeks and recycle those cans to buy the 1800XT, crossfire is out $579 retail.

With that kind of heatsink it seems very high for being IDLE .

[2r4z0r2]

hi....this is my short experience...got the card today...ati tray tools or ati tool does not work properly and i get flickering when i try to oc...however i did clean install and used overdrive...the max gpu was 628?(from 600) :(...however max memory was 797 (maybe it could have gone more but overdrive has only till 800)...that gave me 3dmark05 of 9073...seems a little low, but im not sure...the rest of the setup is opteron 165@2.4, asrock939 dualsata2, 2gb infieneon 2x1gb sticks, wd raptor...anyways the card runs fine, apart from the low gpu OC :)...also maybe this mobo is not very good companion for the xt so thats wht the 3dmark score is low :)...and yeah, the card is powercolor x1800xt 512mb...will post more findings :)

[2r4z0r2]

hm i upped the voltage form 1.275 to 1.295 and now the core goes up to almost 700...the temp is around 70 on 50% fan speed...anyways..whats teh most core or the oter voltages i shoud give to still be somewhat safe?

[kitt3]

hi....this is my short experience...got the card today...ati tray tools or ati tool does not work properly and i get flickering when i try to oc...however i did clean install and used overdrive...the max gpu was 628?(from 600) :(...however max memory was 797 (maybe it could have gone more but overdrive has only till 800)...that gave me 3dmark05 of 9073...seems a little low, but im not sure...the rest of the setup is opteron 165@2.4, asrock939 dualsata2, 2gb infieneon 2x1gb sticks, wd raptor...anyways the card runs fine, apart from the low gpu OC :)...also maybe this mobo is not very good companion for the xt so thats wht the 3dmark score is low :)...and yeah, the card is powercolor x1800xt 512mb...will post more findings :)

I suggest u contact the tech support for ATI hope this help ;)

[kitt3]

hm i upped the voltage form 1.275 to 1.295 and now the core goes up to almost 700...the temp is around 70 on 50% fan speed...anyways..whats teh most core or the oter voltages i shoud give to still be somewhat safe?


Not sure but i dont think that temp is safe tho.

[2r4z0r2]

hm it idles around 51 so staying at 70 on load is good :)...don't really know how to lower it since the cpu idles at 30

[pheoniXfury]

I think I'd be pushing for 1.35v on that thing:pimp: ...lol

If I had that card I'd be pushing 1.4-1.45 cus I have water.

[2r4z0r2]

funny thing...sometimes it goes all the way up in overdrive, and sometimes it stays around core 630mhz...this happens independant of the voltage, unless ati tool sets it, but doesnt show...i think ill wait for 100% proper solution to overclock it...also, how do you put water on the card?...if i take the silencer off, what should i do with the memory chips...put little heatsinks on them?

[pheoniXfury]

yeah...I'd say BGA RAM sinks would be good on that thing (though I kinda think that if the stock cooler is too hot...isn't it possible that it's not helping in cooling the RAM?)...but I'll investigate into the difference in stability with stock cooling and with water on my XL card...maybe tonight if I get the chance to...

[hotrippr]

X1800xl
Seems to be getting lower scores in 3dmark05 with the new driver, even though ccc is able to put mem at 549 and core at 554? What the ??? Tried atitool upped the volts thing keeps crashing. Cant get passed 550/550 even then, I am not seeing any worthy benefit. Can someone post their idle temp at stock speeds with stock cooling?

[pheoniXfury]

hmm...I'll check if I can hit 9256 in 05 when I get home from work. I know this driver does not include a performance boost...it just enables H.264 decoding and Avivo Xcode.

Come to think of it I did notice that the frame rates in ATI tool dropped yesterday...used to hit 430fps and I'm down to 370...will have to confirm that.

[TooFast]

3d mark05 5.13 x1800xt using overdrive core@690 memory@800 score=9700

[hotrippr]

X1800xl
Used ATItool beta to up the voltages; core 1.125, mem1.965 and 1.965. Was able to max out overdrive at 575/550, improved 3dM05 a little less than 100 points. Was able to play COD2 at max settings for at least an hour and did not crash, getting about 74 degrees on load. Stock cooling. This isnt much, but am making some kind of improvement, still I think 65 idle at stock settings is high??? Requested RMA, I am dying to know if the idle temp is normal. I had an x800xl before and ran idle 40. Will try to push it to 600/600 later. BTW I used DriverCleanerPro to clean install catalyst Driver, read elsewhere that this helps, it did (I think) wasnt able to OC that much before.

[hotrippr]

X1800xl
Got it up to 580/550 and 3dmrk05 went up 400 points from stock. Do not know why there was such a boost in points (about 200) from 574/550??? Anyways set voltages to 1.175 core, 1.965 and 1.965 mem. Seems really stable...so far. Will not try to go further, log is showing temps in high 70's and sometimes hits 80 degrees. Gameplay is excellent, adaptive antialiasing is great, it got rid of horiz lines.

[zOaib]

3d mark05 5.13 x1800xt using overdrive core@690 memory@800 score=9700

i got 2 questions , how good is that x2 4800 dual core running for u , i mean what differences do u see b/w that and single core 400+ or fx55-57 cpus thx ?

what drivers are u using for your x1800xt , thx !

[TooFast]

i got 2 questions , how good is that x2 4800 dual core running for u , i mean what differences do u see b/w that and single core 400+ or fx55-57 cpus thx ?

what drivers are u using for your x1800xt , thx !


the x2 4800 is pretty dam fast. my last cpu was a p4 3.73 EE.

[zOaib]

the x2 4800 is pretty dam fast. my last cpu was a p4 3.73 EE.

thx for the info , and what drivers are u using for your ati x1800xt thx ?

[pheoniXfury]

Okay...I'm not sure about long term stability (it's been bad with any overclock on my X1800XL)...but I did hit 9243 (last time was 9256 on 5.11) on the 5.13 drivers.

So I don't think it caused a performance drop in any way for my Venice 3200+ system. Now to see if It can survive CS:Source (Fat chance...lol).

[hotrippr]

Okay...I'm not sure about long term stability (it's been bad with any overclock on my X1800XL)...but I did hit 9243 (last time was 9256 on 5.11) on the 5.13 drivers.

So I don't think it caused a performance drop in any way for my Venice 3200+ system. Now to see if It can survive CS:Source (Fat chance...lol).
What do you have it clocked at? Voltages? AtiTool? Water cooled? That sounds like an XT score.

[TooFast]

thx for the info , and what drivers are u using for your ati x1800xt thx ?

5.13

[pheoniXfury]

630/693 (default 500/495)

vCore = 1.175v (can't go higher)
vMem = 2.1v
vMemIO = 2.0v

If only I can find a way to get it stable...I have 0 artifacts but 3D apps will cause a lockup and vpu recover will kick in. I need more voltage (and I know that ppl can do 1.2+ on the XL core but I get a lockup when going beyond 1.175 which is 11.9% increase from original) I think that the voltage is not 100% accurate(actual voltage could be lower) but it may be possible that there's some kind of protection in place where if (vCore > 1.050*1.1) {VPUrecover();}...lol. Maybe it's a protection on BBATI cards (I hope...cus then maybe a BIOS flash would deal with this).

[hotrippr]

630/693 (default 500/495)

vCore = 1.175v (can't go higher)
vMem = 2.1v
vMemIO = 2.0v

If only I can find a way to get it stable...I have 0 artifacts but 3D apps will cause a lockup and vpu recover will kick in. I need more voltage (and I know that ppl can do 1.2+ on the XL core but I get a lockup when going beyond 1.175 which is 11.9% increase from original) I think that the voltage is not 100% accurate(actual voltage could be lower) but it may be possible that there's some kind of protection in place where if (vCore > 1.050*1.1) {VPUrecover();}...lol. Maybe it's a protection on BBATI cards (I hope...cus then maybe a BIOS flash would deal with this).
Yeah I found the same on vCore, I also set it to 1.175, but I get tons of artifacts while playing Cod2 ocD, not just black, also yellow. I do not get any artifacts while playing at stock settings. Think it is the high temp causing artifacts? I only have it set to 580/580, hits 79 degrees max.

[KoukiFC3S]

700/800
2.55GHz X2
Cat 5.13

3D Mark 05= 10200

[pheoniXfury]

at 79...that's probably causing the artifacts. I don't get artifacts...my load temp is 43 I think. I don't really feel like checking if the stock cooler's going to help my card to be stable if at lower clocks. Do you have a Built by ATI card or something else? (I'm wondering if it's possible that the BBATI cards might have a protection of some kind)

700/800?...u using an XT card? if u are...u can probably push it more. (Now I understand why dfi-street forums makes everyone put up their specs)

[KoukiFC3S]

yea sorry I got the XT
I haven't really tried pushing it more. I'm waiting for better cooling.

[hotrippr]

at 79...that's probably causing the artifacts. I don't get artifacts...my load temp is 43 I think. I don't really feel like checking if the stock cooler's going to help my card to be stable if at lower clocks. Do you have a Built by ATI card or something else? (I'm wondering if it's possible that the BBATI cards might have a protection of some kind)

Mine is Ati Built. Are you using atitool? If not, what r u using? Also am waiting for Arctic to put something out, till then I will keep it at stock...well at least most of the time.

[pheoniXfury]

ic...it may be possible that there's something in the BBATI BIOS...I'll look around on the XS forums...there are tons of ppl with these cards.

I am using ATI Tool (Beta 10). I have a waterblock on mine and zalman ram sinks. Maybe I'll see if I can find a BIOS of another XL card (since everything I've seen uses the exact same reference design with a different sticker)

[SigmaX]

I'm using a PowerColor Radeon X1800XT. A few days ago I managed to successfully force the new Sapphire bios on to it aswell. So now it runs @ 700/800. Been pushing it to the max with some games and it runs very stable. So, I'm very satisfied with both the card and the new bios.

[KoukiFC3S]

can anyone run aquamark on their X1800? I get an error at the end

[hotrippr]

Got new case today, lowered all my temps by 10 degrees! Had a midtower before, now have full tower. Now XL is idle around 50 at stock settings. Still nothing compared to H20. Will take it back up to 580/580 and watch temps and artifacts.

[pheoniXfury]

Aquamark will need a .dll patch to run properly.

I've created a new thread so everyone can input on X1800XL card maker and their overclocking success. Please help me and others to see if there is any pattern between different makers.

[KoukiFC3S]

thanks I found the patch

[hotrippr]

Is 3dMark03 supposed to be lower than 05? Iam getting around 7000 in 05, and around 4000 in 03. From what I've read 03 should be higher.

[KoukiFC3S]

yea 03 should be a lot higher than that

[hotrippr]

Then what the heck!?:banghead: I will run a few more times just to make sure I was not seeing things wrong.

[TooFast]

where are the dam crossfire edtion x1800xts!!!!!!!!

[hotrippr]

Same crap! Still getting low scores with 3dm03. Must be sound test???

x1800 crossfire here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102655
Although I think they only had 1 or 2, now they're gone.

[KoukiFC3S]

strange
sound test doesnt affect the score
only the game tests do

[hotrippr]

Anyone know why 3dm03 score is way lower than 3dm05????

[pheoniXfury]

I'm out of ideas...lol...u should be hitting 14000 at least

btw...could everyone post which XL card and their OC max here?
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=7588

I finally got my account activated on XS forums, so I'll see what I get over there as well.

[wtf8269]

I'm way late joining this thread but I've had my ATI XT for awhile now and I love it. Although I haven't found anything that was successful in overclocking it yet though. So I'll just wait until there's a stable ATI Tool version out for the R520.

[pheoniXfury]

I saw ur score for ur card...but noticed that ur running ur AMD chip @ 3GHz...I wish my venice could go that far.

The ATI Tool Beta 10 is doing really well...I've been using it for a while now. Just don't auto find max clocks cus I found these cards to lock up instead of getting artifacts.

Your 05 mark should reach over 10K easily...I've already reached 9256 on my XL with my CPU @2.7Ghz:cool:

[hotrippr]

:o 3dm03 is now at 15000, had to turn some settings off:o

[EastCoasthandle]

Can someone explain how to save yourvide card bios (x1800xt) then apply the Sapphire bios. What commands do you use, what flash program do you use. In general as if you are speaking to a person using it for the first time.

[pheoniXfury]

Read the article written by W1zzard:

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/34

[pheoniXfury]

Okay...so it looks like my self and a few other ppl are out of luck with the XL card...just flashed it with the sapphire bios...I know they've been doing 1.2v+...but unfortunately...I'm still capped at 1.175v:banghead:

I didn't think that sapphire would pull it off so I went for the Built by ATI...
this is me getting saced after doing so --> :nutkick:

If anyone else has suggestions...please let me know.

Actually...1.2v is fine in 2D...but once 3D comes up...I get f00k3d right away. I think this has something to do with the missing metal layer...some of the XLs (like the one I have) has this bug and won't do higher voltage due to a leak

I might just sell this card when R580 is available in a few weeks:D

[hotrippr]

I will also be on ebay after the new cards come out. This card has been a bit@h to oc. But I have a feeling it may be partly cuz of drivers.

what is this metal layer you r talking about?

[pheoniXfury]

Remember how ATI delayed the X1800 for months?...well that was cus they couldn't get the speed to go higher than 500ish. They couldn't figure out what it was exactly until this guy found the problem and made a fix.

The chip was leaking current somewhere on the core...where electrons would jump from one transistor to another with the right amount of energy (ie. 1.2v). The fix was that a metal layer be added in a way that would prevent this. (I'm pretty sure the guy got a big bonus for this one...lol)

They has many chips still with the problem and decided that they'd become the heart of X1800XL. I read a lot on success in overclocking the XL chip and assumed that the chips with the problem are all sold out but as u can see...I was wrong. Being in Toronto, Canada...the local stores get their shipments late...but they must have got the earlier cards...and not many of them.

so when the time is right...I will sell it for an X1900XT...unless I sell my whole system...and go for the upcomming DFI Xfire board with the new ATI card

[pheoniXfury]

Okay...I just realized something...

So I decided to get a hex editor that can do comparison...checked the sapphire BIOS and the BBATI BIOS...also the sapphire BIOS I got from XS...they are exactly the same!!!:wtf:

Looks like all cards are from one place and aren't even using a slightly different bios...the only different up until now is the packaging and the printing on the stock cooler of this card!

[hotrippr]

How can u tell if your card is missing the metal sheet?

Have u looked at other bios, asus, etc?

[pheoniXfury]

I haven't looked at BIOS from other makers yet...the only thing I can think of is the revision numbering on the GPU it self...but we don't have a definit revision that has the problem (ie. the first ones shipped out)...other than that...there's no other visual markings that would show the difference.

I'm a lazy guy...so I'm not going to take off my cooler on this card...I'll wait till I sell the card or maybe my whole system.

If you think about it, it makes sense. As the XT card uses 1.3v, if in no way that this chips can run under a voltage of 1.175, there is no way it will go to XT. I can't even put 1.2v on stock settings without 3D crashing. (oh...and btw...the BIOS actually says that the chip's using 1.065v...which reads as 1.075v in ATI tool)

My card seems to be a bit more stable at 1.175v 630/693...which is not too bad. but I know that I should be able to hit 700/730 with a good core.