buy/sell/trade forum rules on pics?

[mullered07]

ok after repeatedly seeing post after post on the buy/sell/trade/forum with no pics and moderators having to enforce the rules regarding having pics i have been wondering, and this only relates to pc's/hardware. read on to see what i mean

i understand the rule because it proves you actually have an item, but does it ?

and for those of us who are stuck with no cameras (mine died ) this means we cant trade on tpu, which is a shame cause id much rather see my stuff going to people on here than put it on ebay and have to pay there fees on top of paypals etc

i mean if say i wanted to sell my proc for example why would not a screenshot with device manager/cpuz and a paint sign of my name with tpu in the background not be as good as a picture for example? ok this only proves i have taken the screenshot on a pc with that said proc, but the same can be said for a picture. if someone is looking to scam take the

TON 4 SALE

thread and that guy had pics.

How could you not think i have the items? I have posted Pictures with my screen name next to all items.. Just because i don't have thousands of post doesn't mean i don't have computer parts...

i think my cpuz/device manager and my name in paint is just as viable. what about taking into consideration the length of time someone has been here and there post count, take a look at myself, been here 2 years have 2,147 posts and have sold to around 5-6 people on tpu who can all vouch for my honesty, yet i cant see anything atm cause i have no picture.

people have been debating the b/s/t forum and the rules concerning it for some time, and one that has always cropped up is post count or length of time at tpu, there should be a balance of both imo for example you must have been registered for at least 3 months and have 250 posts to sell anything, not just one or the other because people like postwhore . And trusted members with say 1500+ posts a history of selling things to tpu members then maybe there could be an exception to the picture rule if they can still prove to the same extent as a picture (the screenshots with dev manager/cpuz/paint etc) they have the items.


im welcome to discussion to all of my points, what do you all think on this ?

 

[3870x2]

it helps regardless, if you were to run a scam, it would be more difficult. The guy who ran "ton 4 sale" had very little heat, so they traded to him at their own risk.
Also, the picture with their name helps alot, either they have the hardware, or the user has outstanding photoshop performance, being that the name is usually hand written.

 

[mullered07]

i have no heat, it is more known in the US than the UK tbh. I only trade on here and on ebay, although my ebay account hasnt had much action. all im saying is my screenshot is AS credible as any picture, but given the fact i have traded here before and have been on here for 2 years that makes me more credible

how is a picture more credible? i could have a friend with the hardware and ask him to let me take a pic for whatever reason, and in the same context also ask him to use his pc to take a screenie, its no more reliable so why wouldnt the latter suffice ?

 

[KBD]

i think mullered makes a good point about CPU-z and Evrest screenshots and painting user name in the backround. thats basically the same thing as having a photo of the physical item. I dont know about no picture exceptions for 1500+ post folks, if they, like u have no camera they can always post a screenie as you suggested. So i definately back your first proposal about thr screenshots, not sure if the second makes sense

 

[erocker]

Rules are the rules. If someone cannot abide by them for the Buy/Sell/Trade forum, then no, they cannot trade on the forum. Things like camera breakdowns are unfortunate and will most likely pluage any of us at sometime. The rules are there for a reason, I see absolutely no need to change them. People are having a hard time due to the fact that we are actually enforcing the rules. Get used to it. This goes for me, you and everyone.

 

[mullered07]

Rules are the rules. If someone cannot abide by them for the Buy/Sell/Trade forum, then no, they cannot trade on the forum. Things like camera breakdowns are unfortunate and will most likely pluage any of us at sometime. The rules are there for a reason, I see absolutely no need to change them. People are having a hard time due to the fact that we are actually enforcing the rules. Get used to it. This goes for me, you and everyone.

how is a picture any more credible, i know what the definition of a rule is, im not asking anyone to change them, possibly add another ?

 

[3870x2]

i think mullered makes a good point about CPU-z and Evrest screenshots and painting user name in the backround. thats basically the same thing as having a photo of the physical item. I dont know about no picture exceptions for 1500+ post folks, if they, like u have no camera they can always post a screenie as you suggested. So i definately back your first proposal about thr screenshots, not sure if the second makes sense

paint them on? are you serious? that would be entirely useless, like erocker says, rules are rules, the BST forums are only going to get more strict, definately after the 'ton 4 sale' disaster. If you cant abide by these rules, feel free to visit ebay, or your local newspaper.

 

[KBD]

well, the man said no

but may be updating the rules for the convinience of the members is a good idea? Afterall, someone can borrow hardware, snap a photo with his/hers name on it, then give it back and try to sell it here without actualy owning it.

 

[erocker]

how is a picture any more credible, i know what the definition of a rule is, im not asking anyone to change them, possibly add another ?

GPU-Z screenshots can be found anywhere on the web. The key is having a picture of the physical item you are selling with your name on a piece of paper for proof that the item is in your physical possesion. This is for proof without a doubt to any potential buyer.

 

[KBD]

paint them on? are you serious? that would be entirely useless, like erocker says, rules are rules, the BST forums are only going to get more strict, definately after the 'ton 4 sale' disaster. If you cant abide by these rules, feel free to visit ebay, or your local newspaper.

i think you are missing his point

 

[erocker]

What point is that? That people with a high post count should have special privlidges? No. I hold myself to these rules, and I hold all of you to the same rules as well.

 

[3870x2]

Im not missing the point, rather you haven't made a point yet. Not one worth a second to look at anyway.
lets see...

there we are, selling for $100 shippped.

 

[KBD]

Im not missing the point, rather you haven't made a point yet. Not one worth a second to look at anyway.

i didnt make anything, i just agreed with mullered about the screenie thing.

 

[sneekypeet]

Im sorry guys, but in this day and age of tech being everywhere, I can accept I cant take a pic. Cell phones, web cams, scam em on a scanner for all I care. There are too many ways to get an image of your product online.

Images are not only for the customers, to see what they are buying, but they bennefit the seller as well. If the buyer says he thought it was something else (quantity/size/speed)you can refer back to the image to sort it out.

The image is there for everyone concerned, and keeps it simple for those who wish to try to sell non physical items. If you cant get an image it cannot be sold here(get where Im going here?).

 

[mullered07]

Im not missing the point, rather you haven't made a point yet. Not one worth a second to look at anyway.
lets see...
there we are, selling for $100 shippped.

well done and the ass hat award goes to YOU

learn to fricken read before you make a donkey of yourselves for everyones interests, i was referring to this:

now lets see your qx9775 ???? , and dont be so arrogant when its you who cant understand a point.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I agree the current rules are best......just a personal opinion but to take the OP's point a little further, you could actually have in the background your TPU profile page or even your Sell thread page which actually shows your username, date and time, add to that for example, if you were selling a CPU, a programme running like OCCT, that shows the CPU and it's specs but more importantly, the date and time, if the two corrspond, chances are it's legit................but having said that, it wouldnt work for some hardware, hence why I said that i think the current rulz are the most consistent at least.

 

[sneekypeet]

This is why that is a bad idea.

 

[mullered07]

I agree the current rules are best......just a personal opinion but to take the OP's point a little further, you could actually have in the background your TPU profile page or even your Sell thread page which actually shows your username, date and time, add to that for example, if you were selling a CPU, a programme running like OCCT, that shows the CPU and it's specs but more importantly, the date and time, if the two corrspond, chances are it's legit................but having said that, it wouldnt work for some hardware, hence why I said that i think the current rulz are the most consistent at least.

but not infallable (sp?) and no more legit than this way at least when it comes to installed hardware

 

[Cold Storm]

This is why that is a bad idea.

You mean like this Sneeky?

Wow.. I own one too now... I do see what you are saying for it... But as the whole S/t area is, this is a BAD idea.

 

[Tatty_Two]

but not infallable (sp?) and no more legit than this way at least when it comes to installed hardware

Yes true but if you think about it, only you should be able to access your account and if that was clearly in the background with as i said something like OCCT in the foreground with the same date and time plus Windows date/time showing in the taskbar, thats as safe as most things...important thing though is nothing is inffalible which is why I personally see no point in changing, if there clearly was a more watertight systm then thats different and would maybe be worth the effort.......I do understand where you are coming from with the camera thing and it's a valid point.

 

[Pinchy]

Rules are the rules.

Rules can change (Esp in the Comments and feedback section ).


Both points are valid, I find it stupid that you cant sell an item without an image (what if you genuinely cant take one) but at the same time, it doesnt take too long to change your camera batteries or borrow a camera phone .

I also agree with you when you say that people who sell a lot should get cut some slack (I mean a guy on here thats sold 100's of things gets a thread closed for not having a picture)....BUT you cant be bias towards anyone or more problems will arise.


I think the mods are doing a great job in enforcing the rules...I think its the rules that are the problem. IMO, it should be up to the buyer and seller. If a buyer takes the risk in trusting a seller with no heat/images/proof, it is their problem, not TPU's.


Anyway thats just my 2c.

 

[MilkyWay]

its easy to get a fake cpuz from the internet
either way with ebay feedback, forum feedback, heat other types of feedback your more likely to get a good seller

in real life it is easy to get scammed too

i use my mobile phone i guess you could always borrow a camera from someone else plus a 10mp camera is about £60 these days

 

[Darknova]

It's not about it being "more credible" than any other method. It's about a whole host of rules and regulations designed to protect both parties.

I've always taken pictures of my product, if anything it's common courtesy to show the product to the customer before they buy it, especially over the internet when you could be hundreds, or thousands of miles apart.

I see no reason to relax this rule at all.

 

[mullered07]

You mean like this Sneeky?

Wow.. I own one too now... I do see what you are saying for it... But as the whole S/t area is, this is a BAD idea.

but u (the scammer) is left with having to sell whatever i have to, hence maybe no qx quads or gtx280's and as tatty said, you could always put ur own personal tpu homepage as background, now lets see you photoshop that, yes its possible but for the time it would take it would be inpractical and useless.

theres no need to be a dick about it when making your point, did i start the thread taking the piss out of you ? maybe i should have no need to use sarcasm either, instead using constructive criticism and saying this is where that idea goes wrong would hold you in a better light.

 

[mullered07]

I think the mods are doing a great job in enforcing the rules...I think its the rules that are the problem. IMO, it should be up to the buyer and seller. If a buyer takes the risk in trusting a seller with no heat/images/proof, it is their problem, not TPU's.


Anyway thats just my 2c.

100% agree with you on that point and proof comes in many forms which was my initial point, i think if theres a way you can validate that screenshot more like what tatty suggested, thens just as credible as a picture.