Powercolor 3850/4670/4850?

Furr · Dec 1, 2008

Hello there, new here

been asking questions and i'm wanting to do a small upgrade to my system.

First, i'm looking at these...

3850 Link (Price is good)
4670 Link (Seen the review and uhh.. is that 3850 better?)

i'm just a mid gamer so i don't play demanding games like Crysis or COD5. i do play Counterstrike:Source and Left4Dead though. not sure on the Framerates but i have Left4Dead and Cs:S maxed out on max Res. without AA on and get nice smooth gameplay but for CS:S my Framerate goes anywhere from 18 to 60 but stays around 40 at best.

i think the 3850 would be my best bet.

spearman914 · Dec 1, 2008

What's ur budget? If it's around 100 USD then get a 4830 which will play counterstrike with all settings maxed. Out of those 2 it depends on ur mobo. If it's an agp get a 3850, if pci-e 4670 all the way.

ShadowFold · Dec 1, 2008

If your 8600GT is not maxing these games then you should get a faster CPU. My HD 4550 plays CSS And HL2 maxed out 2x AA on my 56'' 1920x1080p tv. I have a Phenom 9500 in it.

Something like these
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138112
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103211
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227189

IMO, Your card is fine. You just need a better CPU and more ram to give it enough umph

kysg · Dec 1, 2008

why buy a 3850 really why even bother, the 4670 is overall a better move, heck a 4830 makes even more sense, performance wise I'd hate to say but a 3 series card won't even come close to dishing out the same performance as 4 series.

4670 > 3870
4830 is a detuned 4850
and you already know 4850 on its own is a sick card.
Lastly I would look into a processor upgrade, unless you want to hold out for deneb, or kuma.

niko084 · Dec 1, 2008

Even a 2600XT will play CS maxed out :laugh:

A HD4670 is a good midrange card!

FYI-

4670 < 3870
4670 > 3850

Get it back on track there

Furr · Dec 1, 2008

hmm... could it be my CPU that is slowing down my GPU? i mean i planned on OC' the CPU to like 2.7GHZ but i could just get a new Mobo and CPU. my budget would be around close to $300

kysg · Dec 1, 2008

CPU could be affecting you on the whole, I have my athlon 64 clocked to 2.6, and still get some issues in games. in general a dual core would be a good move.

Mobo wouldn't be necessary to upgrade.

Correction Mobo might be a good idea. unless you want a skt 939 dual core and want regular ddr

spearman914 · Dec 1, 2008

Furr said:
hmm... could it be my CPU that is slowing down my GPU? i mean i planned on OC' the CPU to like 2.7GHZ but i could just get a new Mobo and CPU. my budget would be around close to $300

That's a big number for an upgrade.

P5Q pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299
e7200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115052&Tpk=e7200
4830 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102803

Sorry i streched it by 40 bucks. Now this is wayyyyyy overkill for playing CSS. But future proof for playing graphic intensive ones in later times.

Pinchy · Dec 1, 2008

An 8600GT should EASILY play CS maxed out. I had an 8500GT doing it lol...(on a c2d though)

The 4670 isnt better than an HD3850 though. (Pure performance wise) An 4670 is on par with the HD3850, even though most 4670's come overclocked (making them better).

The 4670 is definately the better choice (smaller, less power (doesnt need a power connector), better cooler) but performance wise they are almost the same.

kysg · Dec 1, 2008

niko084 said:
Even a 2600XT will play CS maxed out

A HD4670 is a good midrange card!

FYI-

4670 < 3870
4670 > 3850

Get it back on track there

meh....

spearman914 · Dec 1, 2008

o.o Furr. forgot to ask if the 1gb dual channel is ddr2. IF not then forget what i posted.

r9 · Dec 1, 2008

niko084 said:
Even a 2600XT will play CS maxed out

A HD4670 is a good midrange card!

FYI-

4670 < 3870
4670 > 3850

Get it back on track there

CS it is not even a Game.

Furr · Dec 1, 2008

Socket 939 Dual Core CPU's run to $135 so i could just get..

this Link & this Link for only $103

my Mobo support only DRR1

ShadowFold · Dec 1, 2008

Furr said:
Socket 939 Dual Core CPU's run to $135 so i could just get..

this Link & this Link for only $103

That's what I would do

kysg · Dec 1, 2008

yea and just add some DDR2 to that and you should be good.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122 oh yea 4gigs

spearman914 · Dec 1, 2008

kysg said:
yea and just add some DDR2 to that and you should be good.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122 oh yea 4gigs

Forget it. Get the 2 GB kits, he's using xp pro.

kysg · Dec 1, 2008

spearman914 said:
Forget it. Get the 2 GB kits, he's using xp pro.

aw geez I so did not catch that....sad that its not xp64bit.

Furr · Dec 1, 2008

actually i have used Vista 64-bit and i don't like it all to much. 32-bit Xp i'll stay with

spearman914 · Dec 1, 2008

Furr said:
actually i have used Vista 64-bit and i don't like it all to much. 32-bit Xp i'll stay with

Well then dual boot it so u can use 4 gb's fully and just download some themes to make it look like xp.

Furr · Dec 1, 2008

very very funny man. i have also used 3rd Party Themes with the patch thing and man i just use the Classic Theme. simple simple

niko084 · Dec 1, 2008

Pinchy said:
The 4670 isnt better than an HD3850 though. (Pure performance wise) An 4670 is on par with the HD3850, even though most 4670's come overclocked (making them better).

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/Revolution_R700/7.html

Start there and page through, looks to me like it beats up the 3850 pretty good in most things, especially once you use any AA.

CS = Counter Strike *this is pretty well known*

Furr · Dec 1, 2008

i found some Socket 939 Deals on ebay..

Link Dual Core +3800

Link Dual Core +3800

second link is only a few more dollars head.

kysg · Dec 1, 2008

yea 4670 does beat it out. treads on the heels of the 3870 in some games, not all but some. also carries the same amount of shaders or stream processors, just not a 256bit interface.

hmmm, its either spend about 110 for s939 dual core. also you can get 25% cash back on ebay for buy it now.
or drop about 160-180 for new mobo, proc,and RAM decisions decisions.

Furr · Dec 1, 2008

i plan on keeping my system as is. i just plan on upgrading the CPU and GPU. a member just messaged me saying he could see what he's got laying around for cheaper

be they way, how much of a difference is that 256bit interface?

niko084 · Dec 1, 2008

Furr said:
i plan on keeping my system as is. i just plan on upgrading the CPU and GPU. a member just messaged me saying he could see what he's got laying around for cheaper

be they way, how much of a difference is that 256bit interface?

Normally it leads to better performance with AA and higher resolutions, but in this case the HD4670 is too far superior for that to make enough difference.

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