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ZOTAC Unleashes Graphics Plus Mini-ITX Platform, the GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi

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ZOTAC International, a leading manufacturer of NVIDIA-based motherboards and graphics cards, today unleashes its first Graphics Plus capable mini-ITX motherboard - the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi. Powered by an NVIDIA GeForce 8200 mGPU, the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi delivers NVIDIA unified architecture, NVIDIA CUDA, NVIDIA PureVideo HD and integrated WiFi technologies rolled up into a miniature 170mm x 170mm platform.

The ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi with NVIDIA unified architecture features 16 screaming-fast stream processors that are programmable for phenomenal visuals with DirectX 10 and OpenGL 2.1 enabled 3D games and applications or high-speed general computing tasks with NVIDIA CUDA-enabled applications.



NVIDIA CUDA technology enables the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi to use its integrated graphics processor to accelerate complex mathematical calculations, image processing and video editing tasks.

"General purpose computing is the future of graphics processors. The performance gains with NVIDIA CUDA enabled applications are astonishing with GeForce series graphics processors. Our new ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi enables users to take advantage of CUDA technology while maintaining a small system foot print," said Carsten Berger, marketing director, ZOTAC International.

NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology transforms the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi into a multimedia powerhouse. PureVideo HD enables the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi to decode high-definition Blu-ray content using the integrated GeForce 8200 graphics processor for vivid, smooth and lag-free Blu-ray video playback.

NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology also breathes new life into existing DVD movie collections with advanced scaling and de-interlacing algorithms. Using the advanced algorithms, the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi is able to render existing standard-definition DVDs to near-high-definition levels of video quality.

"Although high-definition is the future of multimedia, we can't neglect users with existing DVD collections. NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology allows us to deliver video processing that's beneficial to users that have standard and high-definition content with our ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi," Mr. Berger added.

Wireless 802.11b/g technology enables the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi to connect to networks wirelessly, reducing the amount of wiring required to the system. The wireless adapter is integrated into the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi, allowing wireless network connectivity without large external adapters or internal add-in cards, for easy wireless network connectivity.

It's time to play with the ZOTAC GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi.

General details
  • New NVIDIA GeForce 8200-ITX WiFi platform
  • NVIDIA GeForce 8200 mGPU
  • 16 stream processors
  • Microsoft DirectX 10 and OpenGL 2.1 compatible
  • NVIDIA CUDA and PhysX ready
  • NVIDIA PureVideo HD technology
  • DVI with HDCP (w/Audio) and VGA outputs
  • HDMI output with dongle (w/Audio)
  • Integrated 802.11b/g WiFi
  • AMD Phenom, Athlon and Sempron - Socket AM2+ support
  • HyperTransport 3.0 compatible
  • 2 DDR2 DIMM slots
  • DDR2-800/1066 compatible
  • Up to 8GB of DDR2 memory
  • ZOTAC Extended Warranty (visit the Zotac website for details)


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very nice, if i dint have my htpc machine already i would be looking at getting this

all we need to know now is how much is it ?
 
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I have been sooo waiting for something like this. Hmmm, price around $140 maybe?
 
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Well their 7100 ITX board is like $60, so it shouldnt be that expensive.

I wish they were sold around here :(
 
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HDMI would be nice.:ohwell:
 

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What would be nice is a 16x pci-e slot :pimp:

Most video cards are longer than that mobo, I think. At least any card that would be a real upgrade over that integrated 8200 anyway.
 
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Most video cards are longer than that mobo, I think. At least any card that would be a real upgrade over that integrated 8200 anyway.

HD4670 isnt, and has the performance of an HD3850 :)
 

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Well, you missed the point. Maybe you can put some cards there, but they would be very tall too. I said long just to not say big (because the area would not be bigger) and thought that the idea would be understood. I personally wouldn't want my small build to be as tall as its footprint. Anyway, I don't have one at hand but:

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/VGA/HIS_HD4670_Turbo/pg2.htm

According to them the IceQ card is 188mm long, while this mobo is 170x170. Yes, the IceQ cooler exceeds the PCB, but how much? I would say the PCB is in fact 170mm long, so even if you could essentially put one there, it would be very difficult.

TBH I said long just to not say all the things that would not be OK with a "powerful" card in such a setup. Nevermind:

- Space: you need a place to put the slot and in a place that doesn't get in the way of the CPU cooler or other parts, etc. The mobo has to be bigger.
- Power. That moherboard can't feed a PCI-E card, I'm sure. The required circuitry to do so would make it even bigger.
- CPU, more power and size: to take advantage of a more powerful card you would require more powerful CPUs than the ones this mobo was probably designed for, and the CPU would require a bigger cooler. That if the mobo supports fast CPUs. I know it says it supports Phenom, but this looks like the kind of motherboard that claims support for all CPUs and more, and then has severe TDP limitations, which is normal after all.
- PSU, more power and size again: all of the above means a bigger PSU, that at the same time means higher power consumtion. That could not matter, but IMO size and price, yes. What would be the point of creating a small and cheap mobo that requires a normal PSU or very powerful and expensive small ones to run?
 
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Well, you missed the point. Maybe you can put some cards there, but they would be very tall too. I said long just to not say big (because the area would not be bigger) and thought that the idea would be understood. I personally wouldn't want my small build to be as tall as its footprint. Anyway, I don't have one at hand but:

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/VGA/HIS_HD4670_Turbo/pg2.htm

According to them the IceQ card is 188mm long, while this mobo is 170x170. Yes, the IceQ cooler exceeds the PCB, but how much? I would say the PCB is in fact 170mm long, so even if you could essentially put one there, it would be very difficult.

TBH I said long just to not say all the things that would not be OK with a "powerful" card in such a setup. Nevermind:

- Space: you need a place to put the slot and in a place that doesn't get in the way of the CPU cooler or other parts, etc. The mobo has to be bigger.
- Power. That moherboard can't feed a PCI-E card, I'm sure. The required circuitry to do so would make it even bigger.
- CPU, more power and size: to take advantage of a more powerful card you would require more powerful CPUs than the ones this mobo was probably designed for, and the CPU would require a bigger cooler. That if the mobo supports fast CPUs. I know it says it supports Phenom, but this looks like the kind of motherboard that claims support for all CPUs and more, and then has severe TDP limitations, which is normal after all.
- PSU, more power and size again: all of the above means a bigger PSU, that at the same time means higher power consumtion. That could not matter, but IMO size and price, yes. What would be the point of creating a small and cheap mobo that requires a normal PSU or very powerful and expensive small ones to run?

The height of the card wont matter if you get a case that mounts the HDD's/optical drive straight on top of the CPU. Only thing you will need to worry about is that most ITX cases have half height brackets, but im sure you can do a little mod.

Stock CPU cooler wouldnt affect the PCIe card

If you put an AMD 4850e in there, there should be enough power to cover the PCIe slot. Ie, 4850e has a TDP of 45W, PCIe has a TDP of 75W; 120W combined. Less than the 125W TDP of certain phenoms.

A 4850e wont bottleneck an HD4670

The 4670 doesnt have an external power connector, so it doesnt use that much power. You can pick up 200W ITX PSU's for pretty cheap, so it shouldnt be too much of a problem.

Also as you said an HD4670 is around 17cm long, and looking at that picture, there is nothing in the way of a gfx card that goes all the way across the board.

EDIT - here is a case that should be good for it :): http://www.sunbeamtech.com/PRODUCTS/MINI-ITX/MINI-ITX.html
 
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The height of the card wont matter if you get a case that mounts the HDD's/optical drive straight on top of the CPU. Only thing you will need to worry about is that most ITX cases have half height brackets, but im sure you can do a little mod.

Stock CPU cooler wouldnt affect the PCIe card

If you put an AMD 4850e in there, there should be enough power to cover the PCIe slot. Ie, 4850e has a TDP of 45W, PCIe has a TDP of 75W; 120W combined. Less than the 125W TDP of certain phenoms.

A 4850e wont bottleneck an HD4670

The 4670 doesnt have an external power connector, so it doesnt use that much power. You can pick up 200W ITX PSU's for pretty cheap, so it shouldnt be too much of a problem.

Also as you said an HD4670 is around 17cm long, and looking at that picture, there is nothing in the way of a gfx card that goes all the way across the board.

EDIT - here is a case that should be good for it :): http://www.sunbeamtech.com/PRODUCTS/MINI-ITX/MINI-ITX.html

First of all that case seems big to me for a mini-itx PC. The fact that it supports micro-atx PSUs kind of confirm that to me. I took as granted that the whole point of these boards was to create even smaller builds with really low power consumption. 200w is not low enough, you have micro-itx for that.

Second, I don't see where you see space in that board for a PCI-E slot, as there's no one, put one and it no longer will be mini-itx. It would make it more like a mini-dtx.

Third, as I said the fact that it supports Phenoms, does not mean that it supports higher-end higher TDP Phenoms. Probably it supports 95w Phenoms but no more. So there it goes your theory down the window. But's let's imagine it supports and can deliver 125W.

So finally, yeah those are some pretty numbers you posted. Thing is that both the 4850e and the HD4670 consume every bit of their TDP and we want to run our machine isn't it? Let's start by forgetting that common mini-itx PSUs deliver 110W, maybe up to 150w and only high-end ones deliver more, and take the 200w one you mentioned. Let's just not forget about efficiency because in these low power envelopes we will be moving in it does matter. A typical 80% efficiency puts our PSU at 160W maximum.

Ok so we have the CPU+GPU for 125w.
What about the chipset? And memory? Add 25w (at least) to your figure, thanks (125+25=150w). Want storage? Yeah, off course, one of those SSDs, they consume very little... Yeah, very little but realistically 5w (155w).
Are we really going to put that cards into such a small case with passive cooling? Taking into account the cooler can't be too big , obviously not. A pair of fans, one for the CPU, will suck around 5w (160w). <<-- We already broke the point of mini-itx versus micro-itx by using fans BTW.

We want a keyboard and mouse right, and want the USB devices in general to work when we plug them in so all that will probably take another 10W. So we surpassed those 160W to a point that would probably make our system unstable, but let's go back to reality: no way the mobo only consumes 25w, especially when we are using wi-fi.

All in all, yeah, we can fit a card by making it a little bit longer, we can use more powerful PSUs than the ones proposed for mini-itx and we can add a "fast" CPU by adding the required cooling. BUT you know what? You no longer are building a mini-itx PC and definately you don't want one. If at all you want one of the smallest micro-itx boards that could support better all those things at the expense of being more expensive, noisy and hungry.
 

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another nice ITX board. now we just need ITX cases available at a decent price.

location of the wireless card is bad, it might block airflow to the heatsink.
 

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Who fucking cares about how big it is and how much juice it takes man...A little ingenuity is all ya' need.

There are 16x pci-e ribbon riser, so you can lay the card flat...either on top or bottom of the mitx board.
 

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hmm i just read other comments... guys, i've got my media PC (2.1Ghz A64 4000+ and radeon HD3200) using 50W at load. you can get half heigh 9600GT's, so you could quite possibly make a powerful media PC using these boards.
 
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First of all that case seems big to me for a mini-itx PC. The fact that it supports micro-atx PSUs kind of confirm that to me. I took as granted that the whole point of these boards was to create even smaller builds with really low power consumption.
I'm pretty sure those case dimensions and a 200W PSU is a lot smaller and less powerful than most mATX HTPC's. Your saying that they only make these boards for low powered extremely small systems...im sure its not illegal for people who want an HTPC smaller than a mATX or micro ITX to go mini-ITX.

200w is not low enough, you have micro-itx for that.

So I am going to get a larger board because I want to use a larger power supply :wtf:

Second, I don't see where you see space in that board for a PCI-E slot, as there's no one, put one and it no longer will be mini-itx. It would make it more like a mini-dtx.

Where the PCIe 1x slot is?

Third, as I said the fact that it supports Phenoms, does not mean that it supports higher-end higher TDP Phenoms. Probably it supports 95w Phenoms but no more. So there it goes your theory down the window. But's let's imagine it supports and can deliver 125W.

So finally, yeah those are some pretty numbers you posted. Thing is that both the 4850e and the HD4670 consume every bit of their TDP and we want to run our machine isn't it? Let's start by forgetting that common mini-itx PSUs deliver 110W, maybe up to 150w and only high-end ones deliver more, and take the 200w one you mentioned. Let's just not forget about efficiency because in these low power envelopes we will be moving in it does matter. A typical 80% efficiency puts our PSU at 160W maximum.

Ok so we have the CPU+GPU for 125w.
What about the chipset? And memory? Add 25w (at least) to your figure, thanks (125+25=150w). Want storage? Yeah, off course, one of those SSDs, they consume very little... Yeah, very little but realistically 5w (155w).
Are we really going to put that cards into such a small case with passive cooling? Taking into account the cooler can't be too big , obviously not. A pair of fans, one for the CPU, will suck around 5w (160w). <<-- We already broke the point of mini-itx versus micro-itx by using fans BTW.

We want a keyboard and mouse right, and want the USB devices in general to work when we plug them in so all that will probably take another 10W. So we surpassed those 160W to a point that would probably make our system unstable, but let's go back to reality: no way the mobo only consumes 25w, especially when we are using wi-fi.

You got some extremely pretty numbers there, all of which I would like to see accounted for with some proof.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_4670_IceQ_Turbo/24.html

Please tell me that a 4850e is going to use more power than an e8400 @ 3.6GHz under full load.

Oh, and that review doesnt even use an SSD.

We already broke the point of mini-itx versus micro-itx by using fans BTW.

I don't understand what your trying to get at here. Your saying we should stick to standards by not using fans and following guidelines. Your trying to tell me we can't use a fan in a computer system because it will break the rules of "mini-ITX"?

I don't know about you, but if I can fit a fan into my mini-ITX build I will put it there, even if it breaks the "point of the system".


All in all, yeah, we can fit a card by making it a little bit longer, we can use more powerful PSUs than the ones proposed for mini-itx and we can add a "fast" CPU by adding the required cooling. BUT you know what? You no longer are building a mini-itx PC and definately you don't want one. If at all you want one of the smallest micro-itx boards that could support better all those things at the expense of being more expensive, noisy and hungry.

Oh surely we are not allowed to use bigger PSU's than whats proposed. That might break the "point" of a mini-ITX board.


No offence mate, but you sound like your writing directly out of a textbook.

I mean, what if I want a computer that is just as powerful as my HTPC but smaller? I don't care about power consumption because I just want it to be smaller. Are you saying I shouldn't do this because it will break the point of a mini-ITX setup? Your telling me I should just suck it up and go micro-ITX/mATX because my power supply is above 100w?
 
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sounds great, can build home miniserver with this mobo...
 

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I'm pretty sure those case dimensions and a 200W PSU is a lot smaller and less powerful than most mATX HTPC's. Your saying that they only make these boards for low powered extremely small systems...im sure its not illegal for people who want an HTPC smaller than a mATX or micro ITX to go mini-ITX.



So I am going to get a larger board because I want to use a larger power supply :wtf:

There are micro-itx boards as small as 171x171 that do include greater power envelopes. It was designed for that, unlike mini-itx that was designed for even lower consumtion, noise and size.

Where the PCIe 1x slot is?

Hmm I suppose I didn't take into account the possibility of getting rid of the only expansion slot in order to fit a graphics card. My bad. Whatever.

You got some extremely pretty numbers there, all of which I would like to see accounted for with some proof.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_4670_IceQ_Turbo/24.html

Please tell me that a 4850e is going to use more power than an e8400 @ 3.6GHz under full load.

Oh, and that review doesnt even use an SSD.

And yet we use and actively recommend power supplies with twice that ammount of output, the companies themselves recommend using much higher PSUs than that etc. Just because a system draws xx ammount of power during a bland benchmark doesn't mean that your complete system will not draw MUCH more power when GPU+CPU+CHIPSET*+HDD+WIFI+Pheripherals+... are all being used at the same time. Not to mention what a voltage rise would do to the above proposed PC...

*The entire one, not only the part that takes part in a rendering situation like benchmarks. HDD memory accesses does take computing time, mouse and keyboard the same, not to mention WAN accesses.

EDIT: Alternative answer: NO, no I'm not going to say anything myself, because I'm an ignorant, but let's see what Tweaktown has to say:

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1400/11/amd_athlon_4850e_780g_as_htpc_platform/index.html

or maybe: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article807-page9.html - Add 50+ W for the HD4670 under load and...

780G is suposedly more efficient than 8200 BTW.

I don't understand what your trying to get at here. Your saying we should stick to standards by not using fans and following guidelines. Your trying to tell me we can't use a fan in a computer system because it will break the rules of "mini-ITX"?

I don't know about you, but if I can fit a fan into my mini-ITX build I will put it there, even if it breaks the "point of the system".

Oh surely we are not allowed to use bigger PSU's than whats proposed. That might break the "point" of a mini-ITX board.

No offence mate, but you sound like your writing directly out of a textbook.

I mean, what if I want a computer that is just as powerful as my HTPC but smaller? I don't care about power consumption because I just want it to be smaller. Are you saying I shouldn't do this because it will break the point of a mini-ITX setup? Your telling me I should just suck it up and go micro-ITX/mATX because my power supply is above 100w?

I'm not saying we should stick to standards, but there are a lot of them with similar size constraints yet more open to changes, that still keep a higher power envelopes and everything you want, that at the same time doesn't have into it's propositions the complete lack of fans as a way of making it completely silent. Namely micro-itx, as I said. I don't see the point of incresing all the specs of a mini-itx, just to convert it into one of the others. JUST USE THE OTHERS!
 
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another nice ITX board. now we just need ITX cases available at a decent price.

I have a case,



Now I just need a store that's selling the board, anyone seen it for sale?

Originally I was going to grab Intel's Atom 330 board, as it was enough power for all the Nintendo emulators, but this board has every thing I want without having to use an expansion card (wireless, DVI/HDMI).
 
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