core i7 vs phenom II

[trickson]

Benchmarks mean nothing to me,I still think AMD plays games better and smoother than Intel.And I have both.

Benchmarks may mean nothing at all to you but they do for 99.9% of us out there
They are a guide as to how well the comp is doing and how well your OC is going and so many other reasons why we have benchmarks that they have become very important to us as system builders .

 

[cdawall]

The OP really left this one open for interpretation . What DO you think ? Covers a lot IMHO .

Yeah I may have had some over the top posts I will admit this but they were more annoying then trolling and well as I see it I did keep to the facts as many here have not ( not mentioning any one ) Fact is I do not care what beats what what matters to me is when I find some one running some thing as close to the setup I have and speed I have as well . Look the 9850 is a great CPU and so is the Phenom II what you clearly fail to see is how similar is that 9850 to mine ? is the video card the same ? or is it the 4870 x2 ? are the clock speeds the same or is the 9850 running at a higher clock speed . Fact is I am not trying to talk down about the NEW AMD chip ( really I am glad to see AMD is performing very well this will bring prices down all around great for every one ) .
Fact I posted about a Phenom II on a setup as close to mine as I could find and you rejected it and dismissed it as some kind of joke Calling me names saying I am a child and that I am uneducated and not being scientific . I merely wanted to show that even a Q6600 still has a hold after all these years .
Now as to the OP's question " what do I think ? " how is it TROLLING if I express what I think ? if it makes you mad then how am I to blame for that ?
I have been called names and dismissed as a kid and no one els seems to be getting PM'd for that ? WOW how you can twist this around and call me names dismiss me and treat me like shit and not only get away with it but ( And here is the kicker ) quote the rules to me !
All the while breaking them and getting away with it seems some what biased to me .
This thread is not about how well the new AMD CPU is nor is it just about Intel but it is and I quote .
"what do you think?" and it also starts out i7 VS Phenom II , This in and of it's self it denotes a WAR .
I hope that I made my side clear that I am happy that AMD has made some head way I love the OC head room of there new line and the price is better than right .
But on the other hand it is just not enough for me to jump ship pull out the setup I have and go for it I see no real reason for that . Now as for the i7 there is nothing to say AMD has not come that far not at all .
I sure hope that my post will not get me banned but if that is the way you want it what am I to do about that ?

dont you dare talk down to me like i was wrong and talk about how scientific your being. your trying to prove a bloody point and you have been proven wrong be 3 different bloody people but you found 1 god damn case were you were right so everyone else is wrong. thats not how its works. you were proven wrong you were shown a phenom 1 clocked @3.3ghz beating a Q6600 @3.6ghz there is no way around it video cards dont bloody matter in wprime. now get off your bloody high horse and either read what everyone is bloody posting or get out of the bloody forums.

I think this is were the problem lies . If you OC the Q9300 and Q9400 then it will surpass the NEW line of AMD CPU's ( even if they are oc'd ) . And I also think that since this is supposed to be AMD's "NEW" line it should be taking a huge lead over the old phenom's ( It is clearly not even doing this ) So to recap it is barely hold up against 2 year old tech ! Yes AMD has gained some ground but they have let us down once again . with Intel you get performance and new tech not just the ability to over clock with some performance gain .
I think this is were the let down is when people see the NEW line and find that it holds it's own against the comps OLD line this is why .

NO IT WONT they DO NOT beat them when oc'd AMD chips are oc'ing higher than intels and cost the same they are performing clock for clock the same and if you perform the same at the same clocks yet your clocked higher your going to outperform the other fucking chip.


now to prove you wrong.

Q9400's
BEST wprime 1024 score 288.108s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 1024 Q9400.jpg
best wprime 32 score 9.015s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 Q9400.jpg

X2 940
best wprime 1024 score 222.222s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 1024 phenom.jpg
best wprime 32 score 6.884s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 phenom.jpg

ok now the phenoms were clocked higher but what if the Q9400 is?

well what do you know the phenom wins at a lower clock to!

phenom @3987 scores 9.315s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 phenom 3987.jpg

Q9400 @4040 scores 9.594s
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/wprime 32 Q9400 4040.jpg

now i have proven wrong that the Q9400 clocks higher scores better and is better clock for clock. so do you have any other misconceptions you want me to prove wrong cause i can pull Q6600 numbers to if you want.

 

[trickson]

HOW dare YOU ! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE USING THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE AT ME FOR ME POSTING MY THOUGHTS ? HOW DARE YOU TAKE THIS TONE WITH ME ! Just who do you think you are ?
NO I do not care what you think NO SIR NOT AT ALL I PROVED MY POINT AND YOU COME ON HERE TO BERATE AND CURSE AT ME JUST WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE !

 

[cdawall]

HOW dare YOU ! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE USING THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE AT ME FOR ME POSTING MY THOUGHTS ? HOW DARE YOU TAKE THIS TONE WITH ME !

what are you 3? way to use caps lock your cool

 

[ShadowFold]

Stop feeding him. Hes a troll. Hes lying and doing this to get you to do things that would get you infractions or banned. Just stop.. Its been going on long enough.

 

[trickson]

what are you 3? way to use caps lock your cool

You have the right to cures me out talk down to me and now this ?

 

[trickson]

Stop feeding him. Hes a troll. Hes lying and doing this to get you to do things that would get you infractions or banned. Just stop.. Its been going on long enough.

Again just how am I trolling ? I am the one being cursed at and berated here !

 

[ShadowFold]

Again just how am I trolling ? I am the one being cursed at and berated here !

You make religious icons cry.

 

[cdawall]

Stop feeding him. Hes a troll. Hes lying and doing this to get you to do things that would get you infractions or banned. Just stop.. Its been going on long enough.

i am done i just proved him wrong i'll take the infraction if thats what the mods want to give out.

You have the right to cures me out talk down to me and now this ?

here's the thing look under my pic to the left do you see how many posts and thanks i have gotten. now look at yours who do you think the mods are going to ban in all the member that has been here a while posted a ton and is very very well known on these forums or you?

and i give respect were i get it i got none so i gave none maybe if you acted like a human being i would have been polite but you were not so i give you no pity

 

[trickson]

I am done with you and this thread just because you have more thanks and posts gives you the right to cut down and cures some one out ? Great place to be !

 

[ShadowFold]

Stop feeding him. Hes a troll. Hes lying and doing this to get you to do things that would get you infractions or banned. Just stop.. Its been going on long enough.

I am done with you and this thread just because you have more thanks and posts gives you the right to cut down and cures some one out ? Great place to be !

Oh noes I found you out

 

[PaulieG]

Everyone is about to get infractions. Let's give this thread a break fellas.

 

[CDdude55]

Jeebus!!, Lots of fighting going on over CPU's.

 

[cdawall]

here are some more benchmarks

here are some 3D benchmarks now notice the Q9400 rig is tec cooled and @4ghz with the 4870@845/1127 while the 940 rig is H2O cooled @3.987ghz with the 4870@840/1035 so the intel rig wins but not by much at all. this is the point i'm trying to make

3D03 AMD looses by 15%
AMD X4 940 scores 48692
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D03 940.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores 56429
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D03 Q9400.jpg

3D05 AMD wins by 8%
AMD X4 940 scores 25827
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D05 940.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores 23621
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D05 Q9400.jpg

3D06 AMD looses by 2%
AMD X4 940 scores 18068
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3D06 940287.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores 18501
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/3d06 Q9400.jpg

3D mark Vantage AMD looses by 4.9%
AMD X4 940 scores P10251
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/phenom 3Dvantage.jpg
Intel Q9400 scores P10756
http://img.techpowerup.org/090111/Q9400 vantage.jpg

 

[trickson]

Jeebus!!, Lots of fighting going on over CPU's.

YEAH over things like this .

Tom's Hardware DE. A comparison between the current top-of-the-line AMD Phenom II X4 940 and the Intel Core i7 shows the Intel processor coming out about 22% faster. On the other hand, in comparison with the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, the same Phenom II CPU finishes about 10% ahead.

And this .

X-Bit Labs .However, all the changes in the AMD quad-core processor lineup seem significant enough only when compared against the previous generation Phenom X4, and not against their competitors. It took AMD way too long to switch to 45nm manufacturing technology and launch their Phenom II X4. They missed the window of opportunity and the launch of Phenom II X4 doesn't have the desired effect on the market. The new Phenom II X4 doesn’t look too impressive against the background of contemporary Core 2 Quad and especially Core i7 CPUs. The results of our tests show that the top Phenom II X4 processors can only be worthy rivals to the Core 2 Quad CPUs from the “junior” Q8000 series. Unfortunately, Phenom II X4 cannot yet do better than that.

There are many more out there as well . I am done you are right ..

 

[chris89]

Arn't lot of the tests against the C2D they are equiped with DDR3? so not a fair test...

And against the I7 AMD will win as the phenom II is massivly cheaper.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Arn't lot of the tests against the C2D they are equiped with DDR3? so not a fair test...

And against the I7 AMD will win as the phenom II is massivly cheaper.

would you mind explaining how much cheaper the Phenom II is over the i7? Seriously, I don't mean to start anything with this, I'm just curious as to why people think this way. Thanks in advance.

 

[Darren]

would you mind explaining how much cheaper the Phenom II is over the i7? Seriously, I don't mean to start anything with this, I'm just curious as to why people think this way. Thanks in advance.

AMD Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
ASUS M2N68 nForce 630a Socket AM2+ £51.20
Phenom 940 II x4 £237.03
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz £91.23

Total £571.08 inc vat

Intel Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 iX58 Socket 1366 (cheapest mobo I can find) £197.02
Intel 940 £474.69 (cheapest i7 I could find)
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz (cheapest DDR3 I can find) £102.26

Total £965.59 inc vat

The Phenom II build is 394.51 cheaper than the i7 build

All components from: Ebuyer.com




Edit:

Bro that i7 build totals 790 to me. Plus, that cheap intel board is way better than that $50 dollar board, get a good AMD board and its the same price, except for a few bucks more of RAM.

Depends where you live. In the UK our components cost more than the Americans :s

 

[Chicken Patty]

AMD Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
ASUS M2N68 nForce 630a Socket AM2+ £51.20
Phenom 940 II x4 £237.03
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz £91.23

Total £571.08 inc vat

Intel Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 iX58 Socket 1366 (cheapest i7 I can find) £197.02
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz (cheapest DDR3 I can find) £102.26

Total £965.59 inc vat

The Phenom II build is 394.51 cheaper than the i7 build

All components from: Ebuyer.com

Bro that i7 build totals 790 to me. Plus, that cheap intel board is way better than that $50 dollar board, get a good AMD board and its the same price, except for a few bucks more of RAM.

 

[ShadowFold]

would you mind explaining how much cheaper the Phenom II is over the i7? Seriously, I don't mean to start anything with this, I'm just curious as to why people think this way. Thanks in advance.

AMD 920 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472
4gb DDR2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122
790GX - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138128
374$

i7 920 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
3gb DDR3 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145221
X58 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375
594$

Do the math

 

[Fitseries3]

this thread has turned into a flamebate thread. STFU or get out. back on topic please

 

[Chicken Patty]

AMD Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
ASUS M2N68 nForce 630a Socket AM2+ £51.20
Phenom 940 II x4 £237.03
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz £91.23

Total £571.08 inc vat

Intel Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 iX58 Socket 1366 (cheapest mobo I can find) £197.02
Intel 940 £474.69 (cheapest i7 I could find)
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz (cheapest DDR3 I can find) £102.26

Total £965.59 inc vat

The Phenom II build is 394.51 cheaper than the i7 build

All components from: Ebuyer.com

My AMD build, yes I have an AMD rig too!

ASUS M3A79-T $200
Phenom II 940 $275
Tracers 1066 2GB $ 70
Radeon 4870 (visiontek) $275

Total: $820

My i7 build


EVGA X58 $300
Core i7 920 $300
2GB corsair Ram DDR3 $125
Radeon 4870 (visiontek) $275

Total: $ 1000

thats a $180 difference because I got a board that is $300, you can find really good performing boards for cheaper. If I would have bought the Gigabyte board for $209 it would have been about a $90 dollar difference. Yes, I know some poeple dont have much money, but you guys make it seem like its $1000 more for an i7 build.

I do however say that if you already have a compatible board that is your best bet as you would only have to buy the Phenom II and thats it, but for a new build, I dont see a reason why not to go i7, unless of course you want AMD because you like AMD and you are not interested in owning an intel.

To be honest, anybody on here knows I dont bash AMD, nor intel. But the performance is twice as good bro, Hyper threading helps tremendously and the chip is just fast bro. this is not what AMD people wanna hear, and not me neither since I love AMD, but the i7 is much quicker and in benchmarks it is untouchable at the moment by the Phenom II. A lot of people complain, oh but turn off Hyper Threading, well I don't mind doing it for comparison purposes, but really tell me one good reason why I should turn off HT? CPU has HT technology, why not use it?

 

[Chicken Patty]

Its not twice as fast, that is incorrect, but i7 it is faster overall

In some situations Hyperthreading is known to decrease performance (on particular applications)

The Phenoms II are not i7 counters, its the Q-series counter, AMD said this almost a year ago, and it does indeed matchup between to the Q9xxx and i7.

Most situation the difference between the i7, PII, and Q9xxx is insignificant. We've seen the Q9xxx beat the i7 on particular benchmarks, and we've seen the Phenom II beat the i7 on particular benchmarks. People like me that have AM2+ dont want to change motherboards and ram to DDR3 just for Intel when we can keep our existing motherboard and go Phenom.


Edit: I'm removing this post in 10mins and putting it in my previous post.

When i said twice as good, its an exxageration, we all know its not twice as good, but its a considerable amount, clock for clock the QX series does not touch the I7, however a high clocked QX will, but clock for clock it falls short, not to mention all QX CPU's are very very expensive compared to the baseline i7 920 which outperforms it clock for clock.

So far i Have no came across the application that has decreased performance because of HT, without HT the computer feels slower in everything, so therefore I have it on.

BUt like I said and so did you in your last post, if you already have a AM2+ mobo, Phenom II is your best bet, i'm just waiting for my board to come back from RMA to get my Phenom II.

 

[Fitseries3]

amd is almost to a wall though. where do they go from here?

PII is on the lines of core 2 quads not i7.

if you want to see a comparison some one borrow me a PII BE and mobo and i'll put it under LN2 and show you benches against my i7.

 

[Chicken Patty]

amd is almost to a wall though. where do they go from here?

PII is on the lines of core 2 quads not i7.

if you want to see a comparison some one borrow me a PII BE and mobo and i'll put it under LN2 and show you benches against my i7.

dude if i had money i would buy you one, no lie lol.


AMD has gotten much farther than with the 1st generations of Phenoms, they really have and this current Phenom is a great chip, they just can't settle for this though, they need to get something out there thats going to blow everyone away, and they need to do it quick.