• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

The Pirate Bay in Legal Soup, Owners Fined and Jailed

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
I heard the other side of this argument, and laughed my ass off. Basically a professor at school said the difference in tivo'd tv shows and movies and pirated tv shows and movies is that when you tivo something on tv, you record the commercials too. Sure you can fast forward through them, but apparently advertisers would much rather have someone fast forward through their ad at 16x and see it for a split second than for people not to see it at all. Doesn't make sense at first, but then when you think about it maybe it does. You fast forward through a wendy's commercial, the chance that you'll see a full screen jr bacon cheeseburger is pretty high, and that's still advertising. It's been put into your mind lol.

I've definately seen it in TV tuner software and im confident i saw it on a TiVo box too - the ability to actually not record the commercials, or automatically delete them once the show is recorded.
 

DrPepper

The Doctor is in the house
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
7,482 (1.26/day)
Location
Scotland (It rains alot)
System Name Rusky
Processor Intel Core i7 D0 3.8Ghz
Motherboard Asus P6T
Cooling Thermaltake Dark Knight
Memory 12GB Patriot Viper's 1866mhz 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) GTX470 1280MB
Storage OCZ Summit 60GB + Samsung 1TB + Samsung 2TB
Display(s) Sharp Aquos L32X20E 1920 x 1080
Case Silverstone Raven RV01
Power Supply Corsair 650 Watt
Software Windows 7 x64
Benchmark Scores 3DMark06 - 18064 http://img.techpowerup.org/090720/Capture002.jpg
I've definately seen it in TV tuner software and im confident i saw it on a TiVo box too - the ability to actually not record the commercials, or automatically delete them once the show is recorded.

My television in my room turns off when commercials come on then comes back on when the show starts.
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
My television in my room turns off when commercials come on then comes back on when the show starts.

well there you go, you are now a pirate.
 

DrPepper

The Doctor is in the house
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
7,482 (1.26/day)
Location
Scotland (It rains alot)
System Name Rusky
Processor Intel Core i7 D0 3.8Ghz
Motherboard Asus P6T
Cooling Thermaltake Dark Knight
Memory 12GB Patriot Viper's 1866mhz 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) GTX470 1280MB
Storage OCZ Summit 60GB + Samsung 1TB + Samsung 2TB
Display(s) Sharp Aquos L32X20E 1920 x 1080
Case Silverstone Raven RV01
Power Supply Corsair 650 Watt
Software Windows 7 x64
Benchmark Scores 3DMark06 - 18064 http://img.techpowerup.org/090720/Capture002.jpg
well there you go, you are now a pirate.

Most people change the channel when ads come on and change back just as the show is starting so the majority of us are pirates.
 

h3llb3nd4

New Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2009
Messages
3,323 (0.60/day)
Location
Durban, South Africa
System Name My mobo is Laughing at me
Processor E7400
Motherboard P5KPL-E Bios flashed to 0601 (Piece of poo!!)
Cooling Thermalright Ultra 120a
Memory GENERIC 2 GB DDR2 800
Video Card(s) NONE!! Beat that!!
Storage 500GB SAMSUNG SATAII, 250GB SAMSUNG SATAII and o'l crappy 4gb maxtor
Display(s) ACER X223W Q
Case AEROCOOL ZERODEGREE (planning to mod)
Audio Device(s) REALTEK ONBOARD
Power Supply GIGABYTE 460W
Software Win 7 x86 build 7022
Benchmark Scores Super Pi 1m 17.000 :(
damn! I am a pirate:(^I do that all the time:D
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2008
Messages
621 (0.10/day)
Dang!!!! Where am I supposed to download copyrighted materials on the internet now!!!

These sly, sly record companies....

Ya know what, I'm just gonna have to start paying for all my music, they have forced me into this.... I have no choice now...
 
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Messages
1,581 (0.23/day)
Location
Maribor, Slovenia, EU
System Name Core i9 rig / Lenovo laptop
Processor Core i9 10900X / Core i5 8350U
Motherboard Asus Prime X299 Edition 30 / Lenovo motherboard
Cooling Corsair H115i PRO RGB / stock cooler
Memory Gskill 4x8GB 3600mhz / 16GB 2400mhz
Video Card(s) Asus ROG Strix RTX 2080 Super / UHD 620
Storage Samsung SSD 970 PRO 1TB / Samsung OEM 256GB NVMe
Display(s) Dell UltraSharp UP3017 / Full HD IPS touch
Case Coolermaster mastercase H500M
Audio Device(s) Onboard sound
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 1700 watt / Lenovo 65watt power adapter
Mouse Logitech M500s
Keyboard Cherry
Software Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
haha becaouse of thepiratebay the piracy rate in Slovenia is 70%. < BSA assesment
 
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
5,965 (0.99/day)
Location
New York
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5950x, Ryzen 9 5980HX
Motherboard MSI X570 Tomahawk
Cooling Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4(With Noctua Fans)
Memory 32Gb Crucial 3600 Ballistix
Video Card(s) Gigabyte RTX 3080, Asus 6800M
Storage Adata SX8200 1TB NVME/WD Black 1TB NVME
Display(s) Dell 27 Inch 165Hz
Case Phanteks P500A
Audio Device(s) IFI Zen Dac/JDS Labs Atom+/SMSL Amp+Rivers Audio
Power Supply Corsair RM850x
Mouse Logitech G502 SE Hero
Keyboard Corsair K70 RGB Mk.2
VR HMD Samsung Odyssey Plus
Software Windows 10
mailman, if you think reviews are always right then thats sad, big companies pay alot of money to many reviewers to give their products a nice bump in their review to sell them

everyone has a different viewpoint on things, someone can tell you something is bad and when you play it, its awesome

and based on what you said its okay for the buyer to be ripped off and the seller to get away with it, and its not ok vice versa either, so why should that be ok.

thats what you said right

if your sitting back and thinking you have never pirated something your a fool, everyone has done it whether by accident or purposely, so why not sue everybody.
This has always been a problem and will probably always be a problem, buying something without testing it yourself is a gamble, whether it be a car, a radio, or a 10 dollar game, and its a game the seller won't lose, im not saying piracy is good, its definitely bad, but there can be some "situations". where the buyer gets burned bad.



this thread is goin straight to hell
 
Last edited:
Joined
Apr 7, 2008
Messages
633 (0.11/day)
Location
Australia
System Name _Speedforce_ (Successor to Strike-X, 4LI3NBR33D-H, Core-iH7 & Nemesis-H)
Processor Intel Core i9 7980XE (Lapped) @ 5.2Ghz With XSPC Raystorm (Lapped)
Motherboard Asus Rampage VI Extreme (XSPC Watercooled) - Custom Heatsinks (Lapped)
Cooling XSPC Custom Water Cooling + Custom Air Cooling (From Delta 220's TFB1212GHE to Spal 30101504&5)
Memory 8x 8Gb G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4266MHz @ 4667Mhz (2x F4-4266C17Q-32GTZR)
Video Card(s) 3x Asus GTX1080 Ti (Lapped) With Customised EK Waterblock (Lapped) + Custom heatsinks (Lapped)
Storage 1x Samsung 970 EVO 2TB - 2280 (Hyper M.2 x16 Card), 7x Samsung 860 Pro 4Tb
Display(s) 6x Asus ROG Swift PG348Q
Case Aerocool Strike X (Modified)
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 & Aurvana XFi Headphones
Power Supply 2x Corsair AX1500i With Custom Sheilding, Custom Switching Unit. Braided Cables.
Mouse Razer Copperhead + R.A.T 9
Keyboard Ideazon Zboard + Optimus Maximus. Logitech G13.
Software w10 Pro x64.
Benchmark Scores pppft, gotta see it to believe it. . .
The war against Piracy, is like the war against drugs.

The Pirate Bay website should be shutdown, until its cleaned up of all existing pirate links and everyone involved should be allowed to walk, without a fine.

Im sure that random deletion of pirated software/games/music etc etc in the past will help their case in their future as proof that they attempted to fight piracy which was out of their control.

I see this as a precident case where some laws will be altered. Just another way for them to tie us down. It would be a sad day when torrents die.

Piracy is against the law. Sharing freeware isnt.
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
The war against Piracy, is like the war against drugs.

The Pirate Bay website should be shutdown, until its cleaned up of all existing pirate links and everyone involved should be allowed to walk, without a fine.

Im sure that random deletion of pirated software/games/music etc etc in the past will help their case in their future as proof that they attempted to fight piracy which was out of their control.

I see this as a precident case where some laws will be altered. Just another way for them to tie us down. It would be a sad day when torrents die.

Piracy is against the law. Sharing freeware isnt.

Due to laws about digital data, its legal for one person and illegal for the next.
If i own a game its legal for me to download a no-CD crack and ISO image, because i am entitlted to a working backup of my purchase... however its not legal to someone who doesnt own it.

basically if they do block this they'll be taking on a lot of legit users, and thats bad for business.
 

TheMailMan78

Big Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,599 (3.68/day)
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
In a close to perfect world I might have a bit more sympathy to your arguments. When CEO's and the politicians, who write the laws, which as you probably know and see are romping around in the same bed, what can consumers do but fight back in the only ways they can. Its a fine line called civil disobedience. Take a look around whats happening in the USA and start to connect the dots in the financial district. Can you or I Hire a Lobbyist to fight on our behalf, no but corporations can and do. Years ago Lobbying was called Influence Peddling, which was against the law. Some politicians got together and watered the old laws down and gave them a new name Lobbyists. Gave them some new regulations, another name for that is Legalized Influence Peddling. So until I see some changes in Legalized Influence peddling, I will in some way do some civil disobedience. Because the way were headed it's all I have left.
By the way TheMailMan78 did you hear that FaceBook is now laying claim to everything that is on their servers. Every sentence, picture, that you or anybody has uploaded. When Facebook first started did they have a disclaimer upfront telling you that what is put on their servers is copyrighted material that they now own. So if they decide to use your mugshot in an ad making money on their site you have no rights to it. TheMailMan78 is this what you call fair. Because the average person can't afford to fight this, they will do so and get away with it. Maybe with your legalistic point of view you might want to go and straighten Facebook out about the abuse of copyright.

Ok on your first point about CEOs and politicians in the same bed together is nothing new. That will never change. Now you doing the good fight by stealing is very honorable but stealing is stealing. Again music, games, movies etc are all a luxury and are not applicable to the laws a gouging. You are stealing something you do not need. There is nothing honorable about that. If you were taking bread for poor family's from the evil MGM studios than you can use my house to store it in. As for the Facebook rule I think its 100% far. People should read user agreements before they agree. Sorry but I have no sympathy for its "clients".

I'm just saying..If you steal a movie from piratebay it doesn't get lost.There are more copies.Steal a Lambo and it is gone.Only one can have it.Thats why it is limited and pricey.Can't you just lower the prices of Digital content?

9 bucks for an album on itunes is plenty cheap for an artist that spent years developing the skill to produce their music for you to play hundreds of times. As for the Lambo comparison my argument is 100% valid. Just because something is not "tangible" doesn't mean its not property. I mean your credit isn't tangible is it? Would you be upset if I stole it?

I'm throwing personal opinions below this paragraph. They don't reflect on TPU at all, and I'll still go deleting posts that mention 'piracy' outside of this thread.

I personally, have torrented lots of 'pirated' material. I will give very valid reasons as to why.

1. You can not return games to stores in Australia, despite being able to do so with console games. While I'm techie enough to make any game WORK, there is nothing worse than paying $120 (yes, some games here are that expensive) only to find you absolutely hate the game.
Its not like there is man demos these days - find me one for forged alliance, opposing fronts, tales of valor - oh wait those are expansion packs. how am i meant to know if i like them, if the ONLY option is to buy? (i love em and own em all legit, its an example). Then theres actually full games - crysis, far cry 2, fallout 2 - all big hits, no demos i've come across. Imagine how the average joe feels with his dell - no idea if it will work, and no refund it if doesn't.

2. Some games are not available here anymore. Cant find them locally or online - an example is jagged alliance 2. I own all the JA games, but no matter what i did i couldn't buy the expansion pack for JA2 - so i downloaded it. It didn't run properly since i was on vista64, so i saved myself the money of buying it and having it not run.

Movies/TV shows/anime.

Anime: I'm not waiting 5 years for the shows to turn up here butchered with scenes missing, and terrible translations when i half speak japanese as it is. Its no different to watching em on TV in japan and having a TiVo, is it? If it was available for cheap download like they are doing in the USA with naruto at the moment, i would pay for them. If people can do it for free, a company can do it for $1 a download, etc.

Movies: Once a movies no longer at the local cinema, i have no real option but to wait til its available for sale or rental. In the meantime i download 700MB copies of a movie and see if i like it. if i dont, i delete it. If i do, as soon as its available on DVD i buy it.

TV shows. i can watch it for free here and record it on TiVo, or with my TV tuner card... how is it any different to torrent it? i'm not getting ads, but with a TiVo or a TV tuner with modern software they get cut out anyway.

Yes what i do technically breaks certain laws... but if there are everyday practices that have happened for decades with no legal retribution such as recording radio to cassette, TV to VHS, CD to MP3, TiVo, HDTV tuner cards and so on then there is legal grounds for me to say "hey - i am allowed to do this too"

I'm going to adress each of your points putting the thought aside you are a mod ;)

1. As a gamer I know where you are coming from on this. You can't return games once they are open from the store. Once you own them you really OWN them. That sucks. So as a younger person I could see the point of piracy. I've bought my fair share of garbage. However over the years I've learned a few things. One thing I've learned is games go down in price. I got Prey for 5 bucks. I only gambled 5 bucks on that one and it was awesome. Far Cry 2 I only paid 15 bucks for. It was well worth 15 in my book but I think I would have been disappointed if I had paid 50. Moving on to the games not working and DLing CD cracks and such I don't see a point. I never EVER had a game that just stopped working. If it did it was something I did on my end. Not the game.

2. Ebay. As for the game not running in x64 then you should have known better :laugh: Some old games run like shit. You know that.

3. Movies/TV shows/anime.
Anime: Again I feel your pain on this one. However just because you don't "feel" like waiting doesn't give you the right to steal. You haven't bitched about this but a lot of jokers do on this forum. People complain about the government taking to long get in a certain service into the country. So they pirate. You know what I see? Business opportunity. Why doesn't someone start a service that imports Anime into your country? You could retire a millionaire before 40 ;) Anyway back on topic. You are stealing instead of waiting or taking the initiative to make it happen legally. You are being lazy.

TV Shows: These things are paid for by commercials. Cutting the commercials out doesn't matter to much. Thats not stealing because its a free service. Its the same thing as recording off of the radio.

Movies: So just because you do not feel like waiting to rent something you steal it. You justify this by saying "if I like it I buy it". :laugh: Come one man. Not only is this not having any patience its again STEALING.

mailman, if you think reviews are always right then thats sad, big companies pay alot of money to many reviewers to give their products a nice bump in their review to sell them

everyone has a different viewpoint on things, someone can tell you something is bad and when you play it, its awesome

and based on what you said its okay for the buyer to be ripped off and the seller to get away with it, and its not ok vice versa either, so why should that be ok.

thats what you said right

if your sitting back and thinking you have never pirated something your a fool, everyone has done it whether by accident or purposely, so why not sue everybody.
This has always been a problem and will probably always be a problem, buying something without testing it yourself is a gamble, whether it be a car, a radio, or a 10 dollar game, and its a game the seller won't lose, im not saying piracy is good, its definitely bad, but there can be some "situations". where the buyer gets burned bad.

Reviewers are supported by ads. So yeah I can see your point about them being biased. However do you think the reviews on TPU are biased? Do you think the users on this forum are biased? Time has a away of revealing a products true identity. Buying anything the day it comes out is a gamble. Waiting and educating yourself isn't. So this for an argument for pro pirating is kinda null.

Me a pirate?!? Never :laugh: Man I didn't used to pay for jack. You have never met a bigger ex-thief. However once I realized how my own hard work was being stolen and I didn't see a dime I stopped. Hard work effects the mind in odd ways let me tell ya ;)
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
Mailman: your arguments and mine are the main two to this whole thing.

Basically, there is no clear, definitive answer... thats why its a morally grey area without any definitive answer.
 

TheMailMan78

Big Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,599 (3.68/day)
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
Mailman: your arguments and mine are the main two to this whole thing.

Basically, there is no clear, definitive answer... thats why its a morally grey area without any definitive answer.

I find nothing grey about stealing.
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.

TheMailMan78

Big Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,599 (3.68/day)
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
depending on the country and the situation, its not always stealing.

Exactly what situation warrants the theft of music, games, luxury's in general?
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
Exactly what situation warrants the theft of music, games, luxury's in general?

If you own a music CD, in many countries you are legally entitled to a working backup. Due to copy protection on that disk it may not be possible to directly copy it yourself, or you may not know how - so you download it.

Its theft for the person who doesnt own the disk, and a legal right for the ones who do.
 
T

TechnicalFreak

Guest
What can I say.. we have strange laws here in sweden. Actually, here is a good example:
You wake up in the middle of the night, because someone is breaking in to your home. Trying to protect your family you say break a leg of the burglar.. What happens is that the burglar will sue you for breaking his leg. What they want is you to die, or somehow call the cops. And even a cop can be sued for shooting at a burglar without a good reason.

If you find an english translated book over the swedish laws, read it - and you will laugh.
 

TheMailMan78

Big Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,599 (3.68/day)
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
If you own a music CD, in many countries you are legally entitled to a working backup. Due to copy protection on that disk it may not be possible to directly copy it yourself, or you may not know how - so you download it.

Its theft for the person who doesnt own the disk, and a legal right for the ones who do.

Then they should have called it "Backup Bay". :laugh: Come on man you know damn well what kind of service they were offering.
 
Joined
Aug 16, 2007
Messages
7,180 (1.18/day)
of all people i thought youd be the one to commit suicide when pirate bay went down

you talk about fapping in public and are against piracy? wtf
 
Joined
Mar 29, 2007
Messages
4,838 (0.78/day)
System Name Aquarium
Processor Ryzen 9 7950x
Motherboard ROG Strix X670-E
Cooling Lian Li Galahead 360 AIO
Memory 2x16gb Flare X5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 3060
Storage 2TB WD SN850X Black NVMe, 500GB Samsung 970 NVMe
Display(s) Gigabyte 32" IPS 144Hz
Case Hyte Y60
Power Supply Corsair RMx 850
Software Win 11 Pro/ PopOS!
9 bucks for an album on itunes is plenty cheap for an artist that spent years developing the skill to produce their music for you to play hundreds of times. As for the Lambo comparison my argument is 100% valid. Just because something is not "tangible" doesn't mean its not property. I mean your credit isn't tangible is it? Would you be upset if I stole it?

Credit is absolutely tangible, and actually, it isn't even really yours. It essentially belongs to the various financial institutions who check it to see whether they should lend to you or not. But really, you kind of misinterpreted what I said, tangibility is only part of the equation.

Music is another way of talking, another expression of self, another medium with which one can extend oneself (and any other various interpretation you may have of music). Now, some people pay to see that in certain circumstances (shows, seminars, newspapers, art galleries, ect). Newspapers are a great example, newspapers are starting to go under b/c of the internet, people can get what they get from newspapers for free on the internet. Why? B/c the need for print stations, paper boys, paper, ect. is no longer needed, hence the cost is no longer the same. Some of the writers on the internet are still paid for their services, some do it for free. The companies that make newspapers must now think of new alternatives to making money (perhaps the new device amazon has will be one), but they can't just fight everyone saying don't read that for free pay me for it.
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
Then they should have called it "Backup Bay". :laugh: Come on man you know damn well what kind of service they were offering.

well, i dont go to pirate bay anyway. its full of fakes, viruses, and other crap.
 

DaMulta

My stars went supernova
Joined
Aug 3, 2006
Messages
16,168 (2.51/day)
Location
Oklahoma T-Town
System Name Work in progress
Processor AMD 955---4Ghz
Motherboard MSi GD70
Cooling OcZ Phase/water
Memory Crucial2GB kit (1GBx2), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM, DDR3 PC3-16000
Video Card(s) CrossfireX 2 X HD 4890 1GB OCed to 1000Mhz
Storage SSD 64GB
Display(s) Envision 24'' 1920x1200
Case Using the desk ATM
Audio Device(s) Sucky onboard for now :(
Power Supply 1000W TruePower Quattro
well, i dont go to pirate bay anyway. its full of fakes, viruses, and other crap.

BS I have never one time had a virus from them, I rarely get any fakes. I get more fakes with other sites.

Besides name another torrent site that uses SSL?

I loves piratebay!
 

Mussels

Freshwater Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
58,413 (8.21/day)
Location
Oystralia
System Name Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s) Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s) Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s) Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores Nyooom.
BS I have never one time had a virus from them, I rarely get any fakes. I get more fakes with other sites.

Besides name another torrent site that uses SSL?

I loves piratebay!

well, naming my torrent sites would get me banned ;) gotta live private trackers.
 
Joined
Feb 21, 2008
Messages
4,985 (0.85/day)
Location
Greensboro, NC, USA
System Name Cosmos F1000
Processor i9-9900k
Motherboard Gigabyte Z370XP SLI, BIOS 15a
Cooling Corsair H100i, Panaflo's on case
Memory XPG GAMMIX D30 2x16GB DDR4 3200 CL16
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 2080 ti
Storage 1TB 960 Pro, 2TB Samsung 850 Pro, 4TB WD Hard Drive
Display(s) ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q 27"
Case CM Cosmos 1000
Audio Device(s) logitech 5.1 system (midrange quality)
Power Supply CORSAIR HXi HX1000i 1000watt
Mouse G400s Logitech
Keyboard K65 RGB Corsair Tenkeyless Cherry Red MX
Software Win10 Pro, Win7 x64 Professional
BS I have never one time had a virus from them, I rarely get any fakes. I get more fakes with other sites.

Besides name another torrent site that uses SSL?

I loves piratebay!

Well mininova.org uses RSS which is very handy.. :toast:

well, i dont go to pirate bay anyway. its full of fakes, viruses, and other crap.

Virus alerts are false positives and are only from over-sensitive heuristics due to a similar hash check in certain code like trainers, patches, and keygens that have certain properties.
 
Last edited:
E

elite.ire

Guest
:( its bs imo.. they were conviceted with something redicilious like accesory to providing copyright infringement services or something ? :S, tpb is just a torrent serch engine they dont host the torrents themselves so there not actually doing anything illegal in that respect...
 
Top