madmanjohn
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| System Name | the other woman (thats what my wife calls it) |
|---|---|
| Processor | AMD Phenom X4 9850 Black Edition Agena 2.50GHz |
| Motherboard | Biostar TA790GX 128m |
| Cooling | OEM-9850 fan & sink-added Thermaltake NB cooler with fan |
| Memory | 8gb Corsair Dominator XMS2 1066MHz |
| Video Card(s) | Visiontek Radeon X850 Xt |
| Storage | Various size Seagate 7200.11's |
| Display(s) | Several, about 20- today its a pair of Optiquest Q71's |
| Case | Antec NSK4400 with extra self made HD fan |
| Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar DX 7.1 pcie and some Koss pro 4aa's |
| Power Supply | OCZ / StealthXStream 600watt |
| Software | Windows 7 Professional Retail 64 bit. |
| Benchmark Scores | cool n quiet disabled- everything full up at 2.6ghz and ht at 2200. Ram at 2.2v |
Once again thanks to all of you who came to my rescue last week, especially oily as he was the one thats found the magic trick at a time where i couldent do a whole lot of research.
I discovered a new issue within windows 7 and media player 12, and this may not be the place to post it but I could not launch it into the "General nonsense" forum as it would not let me in.
This is a basic rant, since i know nothing will probably change because of it, i couldent find help in a windows automated assistant without them wanting to charge me money, but i am a msds subscriber and found an editors post that said drop me a line with your opinion so I did, and this is a copy of the email I sent to him.
Good day.
I am contacting you because I have not been able to resolve this issue any other way, I am a system builder and build and design computers for the entertainment sector that run lighting and various sound elements for stage applications and large venues.
I am a Msds subscriber and get all the notifications. but unfortunately I cannot find this issue listed anywhere in your automated troubleshooting guides because it goes back into computer and OS history quite a bit.
I as of this week finally had some free time to try Windows 7 RC1 64bit edition, and I was more than pleased with the performance which is much much better than Vista and am anxiously awaiting the release, but there is an issue and I thought I would bring this to light as this could be the start of a new and much needed precedent for media systems to come.
Our systems run appox 4tb of onboard music, video clip files and thousands of XML and other data files for our lighting and video control systems. Some of our sound clips go all the way back to 1901's earliest recordings. These are cataloged for thier use by a file system uniform to the broadcast and recording industry where files are logged by thier recording date and main chart position as they should be.
In the process of using Windows 7 I had discovered how easy it was to enter our other drives and storage folders into the new "Libraries" function and did so which actually simplifies things for my useage and this was a much needed improvement.
However, what I did NOT know was by doing so, I had also just entered everything into the new Windows media player. Which promptly started adding its own and usually incorrect information to all of our sound and video clips. End result, return to Vista 64, and hand retype over 50,000 files.
I am sorry to say that in our line of work I have very little or no use for Windows media player or Windows media center, mostly because of it doing too many things automatically on its own, sometimes unknowingly to the operator. This has turned what started to be a very good and pleasant experience into a nightmare in just short of an hour's time.
If there was an easy and practical way to remove them both it would be the second thing I would do after installing drivers and updates. We use professional software costing hunderds of dollars to do specific tasks and services. And as the technology improves, there will be more of us using computers in this field. To be more specific, my lighting and video software each cost more than any copy of windows ever made. But they dont run by themselves and they dont run on a mac.
While I understand that these apps are for the mainstream sector, and people being uninformed as usual need all the help they can get, the automatic features are a welcome and needed thing, but I would of expected a pop-up balloon or something to let me know this was about to happen or a warning of some sort as thier usually is with various versions of Windows I've used in the past.
The other problem I have is the fact that somewhere along the evolution of computer systems and media players, a bunch of unuseable information came into play and warped a structure that had been in place for over 100 years. In the entertainment and broadcast sector, music and video performances were catagorized by -artist- title- album(if applicable)
-recording date-release date- peak chart position- and final chart position for the year.
This precedant was created over 100 years ago by "Variety" magazine, and became the standard we all lived by and learned, and Is still in use today by Billboard, and various other media tracking companies. Time has proven again and again, that when you play and use the highest selling and most well known product, you will please a crowd, therefore ensuring
your sucess at your event or show.
The "Star rating system" was something adopted by the critics within the industry and had nothing to do with the actual facts, but was a matter of personal opinion.
Same thing applies to "Genres" as this too is a matter of personal opinion and does not reflect the actual framwork of the production involved, I.E> if it sounds like this, then thats what we will call it " and that was subject to opinion as well and did not neccesarily reflect the true description of the performance. What happens next, is this information goes into a large and growing media database incorrectly, and apps like windows media player try to correct this info with opinionated and sometimes dramatically incorrect information. There are separate and distinct categories of music and performing arts which have been in place over 100 years as well, and it would serve the public much better to learn it the right way as opposed to the uneducated opinion of some.
Therefore most of the media folders are also labeled inaccurately and furthermore, if you should change them to what suits your needs, windows will most likely change them back upon reboot or incoming update. An action that has led to much further aggravation by those of us as well. Star ratings and personal opinions are definitely a users options but should not be the "Default" settings for any folder or media player. The general public, as a whole, would learn the proper cataloging technique if it were implemented and made default by nature, just as they have learned windows and other apps and operating systems as well.
Default columns and labels should be something based on a worldwide standard and not something subject to personal and sometimes inaccurate information. If an induvidual chooses to lay out a folder a certain way it would be wonderful if it stayed that way and would not be altered at will by the OS or a media device without a prompt indicating that this was about to happen. Same goes for the media player itself. Nothing needs to be that automatic.
A much better folder layout would be title- artist (Or filename)- filesize and type (Or extension), by default. Then add either chart position, dates or star ratings as a user controlled option that would stay in place and not get reset.
Personally I would much rather have an onboard XML editor, not just a reader, as a default app than a onboard media player.
The media players involved should be an installed option, not a system default, and should be chosen to be installed at the time of the OS installation or added afterward,. and the functions should remain selectable and not automatic. I know the apps can be written this way as they have been in the past, such as in early versions of Windows xp, where "Media player" was a selectable option.
The perfect OS to me would be one where the user could select all options upon install. I personally have never used "outlook", windows messenger, windows fax and scan,or windows dvd creator because of thier limits. I want a search program that will find EVERY file in a computer including hidden and operating system files so windows search is of no use to me either, therfore I do not need Indexing services unless required by systems maintainence and backup. I use outboard email services, a device usually comes with its own app, such as in the case of a scanner, and have absolutely no use for messenger and if I did there are several "live" services available that do not need to be loaded onto the OS drive.I need burning software that can burn everything, including boot discs, not just what you think should be the priority, which is why I run outboard burning apps like Magic Iso and Nero. Total filesize of an OS drive should be kept to a minimum, ensuring speed, accuracy and easy maintainence.
The main thing I need an OS to do is just run my hardware, with no ram limits, no hard drive limits, or no limits on cpu and gpu power, (I do use AMD products but do not and cannot use "Cool and quiet"< I dont need quiet in a room or auditorium with 150,000 watts of audio power, no one will hear my cpu blower) and no automatic control of sound devices- believe me- I know when I connect something to my computer and I will assign it accordingly and it would be nice if it stayed that way. I dont need my computer to find my screen resolution automatically, as my professional apps MUST run at 1024x768 and cannot be changed, regardless of what screen I may be connected to at that time. I do not want my download or upload speed controlled, give me what my hardware is capable of, I dont need a screensaver, and if my computer is in use, it CANNOT be allowed to sleep automatically. These should be the defaults, and the user should be able to custom tailor from there, not the other way around.
Yes I realize this is the "Ultimate" version of this software, but I would hope that 7 Basic, would have all the hardware power, with none of the above mentioned side effects found in Ultimate, this is not usually the case, as there are always limits in the 32 bit basic versions. Large drives, large ram and faster processors and gpus are the future. Any limits imposed by the OS merely limit future productivity and creatibilty. Personally as a veteran circuitboard designer and tech, I can write my name with a soldering pencil but alas, never learned code.
Media systems should default to natural known existing worldwide systems and THEN subject to user customizations.
In the credit where credit is due dept, I do use and like the functionality of IE 8. I have always been an IE user and never had much use for firefox, or any of the others. I want my emails to stay online and not be downloaded into my computer, and definitely do not want it downloaded onto my desktop, theres enough crap there already.
Let Yahoo or Google be responsible for my email backups, cause if its not in my computer, I cannot lose my recipt or whatever if something crashes.
Another plus to Windows 7 Is the ability to run IE links from the taskbar, which to me is a huge timesaver. I also like the fact that the OS runs nearly everything upon its own ablity, and virtually needed no drivers whatsoever to perform better than it had in Vista or Xp. the computer as a whole has improved dramatically running Windows 7. I know several modifications and changes were made in how it reacts and implements the kernal and cpu processing this is very noticable.
The "user interfaces" have partially determined the inaccuracies involved withthe "Automatic media updating" processes such as Gracenote, freedb, and others. So many people hear a line in a song repeated more than once and think thats the actual title, or it sounds like so- and so, therefore it must be -blank, instead of reading the case and titleing accordingly, but alas, this is not a perfect world and, unfortunately people who cannot read or spell do own computers. Therfore media updating should be selectable by default as was Media player 11 and not automatic.
I will admit, Im not crazy about the folder layout in windows explorer in 7 and have no use for the public folders. This is something that should be removed until shared networking is enabled, which is something I do not need and would never use. To me, theres just 6 more empty - hard to get at- folders I cannot use being indexed for no good reason. I liked the user layout in Vista much better, as it was easier to navigate in explorer. And how about some better music for the samples eh? Just kidding.
All in all on a scale of 1 to 10 ill give it a functionality rating of 4 and 1/2 stars.......my opinion.
Please- put the media warnings back into media player 12. this could be disasterous for some people.
Or better yet, make it a user installed option. I do not want it or need it. Now I have to get back to rewritning my 50,000 files.
Thank you, and good day.
Im off to work, have a great night.
I discovered a new issue within windows 7 and media player 12, and this may not be the place to post it but I could not launch it into the "General nonsense" forum as it would not let me in.
This is a basic rant, since i know nothing will probably change because of it, i couldent find help in a windows automated assistant without them wanting to charge me money, but i am a msds subscriber and found an editors post that said drop me a line with your opinion so I did, and this is a copy of the email I sent to him.
Good day.
I am contacting you because I have not been able to resolve this issue any other way, I am a system builder and build and design computers for the entertainment sector that run lighting and various sound elements for stage applications and large venues.
I am a Msds subscriber and get all the notifications. but unfortunately I cannot find this issue listed anywhere in your automated troubleshooting guides because it goes back into computer and OS history quite a bit.
I as of this week finally had some free time to try Windows 7 RC1 64bit edition, and I was more than pleased with the performance which is much much better than Vista and am anxiously awaiting the release, but there is an issue and I thought I would bring this to light as this could be the start of a new and much needed precedent for media systems to come.
Our systems run appox 4tb of onboard music, video clip files and thousands of XML and other data files for our lighting and video control systems. Some of our sound clips go all the way back to 1901's earliest recordings. These are cataloged for thier use by a file system uniform to the broadcast and recording industry where files are logged by thier recording date and main chart position as they should be.
In the process of using Windows 7 I had discovered how easy it was to enter our other drives and storage folders into the new "Libraries" function and did so which actually simplifies things for my useage and this was a much needed improvement.
However, what I did NOT know was by doing so, I had also just entered everything into the new Windows media player. Which promptly started adding its own and usually incorrect information to all of our sound and video clips. End result, return to Vista 64, and hand retype over 50,000 files.
I am sorry to say that in our line of work I have very little or no use for Windows media player or Windows media center, mostly because of it doing too many things automatically on its own, sometimes unknowingly to the operator. This has turned what started to be a very good and pleasant experience into a nightmare in just short of an hour's time.
If there was an easy and practical way to remove them both it would be the second thing I would do after installing drivers and updates. We use professional software costing hunderds of dollars to do specific tasks and services. And as the technology improves, there will be more of us using computers in this field. To be more specific, my lighting and video software each cost more than any copy of windows ever made. But they dont run by themselves and they dont run on a mac.
While I understand that these apps are for the mainstream sector, and people being uninformed as usual need all the help they can get, the automatic features are a welcome and needed thing, but I would of expected a pop-up balloon or something to let me know this was about to happen or a warning of some sort as thier usually is with various versions of Windows I've used in the past.
The other problem I have is the fact that somewhere along the evolution of computer systems and media players, a bunch of unuseable information came into play and warped a structure that had been in place for over 100 years. In the entertainment and broadcast sector, music and video performances were catagorized by -artist- title- album(if applicable)
-recording date-release date- peak chart position- and final chart position for the year.
This precedant was created over 100 years ago by "Variety" magazine, and became the standard we all lived by and learned, and Is still in use today by Billboard, and various other media tracking companies. Time has proven again and again, that when you play and use the highest selling and most well known product, you will please a crowd, therefore ensuring
your sucess at your event or show.
The "Star rating system" was something adopted by the critics within the industry and had nothing to do with the actual facts, but was a matter of personal opinion.
Same thing applies to "Genres" as this too is a matter of personal opinion and does not reflect the actual framwork of the production involved, I.E> if it sounds like this, then thats what we will call it " and that was subject to opinion as well and did not neccesarily reflect the true description of the performance. What happens next, is this information goes into a large and growing media database incorrectly, and apps like windows media player try to correct this info with opinionated and sometimes dramatically incorrect information. There are separate and distinct categories of music and performing arts which have been in place over 100 years as well, and it would serve the public much better to learn it the right way as opposed to the uneducated opinion of some.
Therefore most of the media folders are also labeled inaccurately and furthermore, if you should change them to what suits your needs, windows will most likely change them back upon reboot or incoming update. An action that has led to much further aggravation by those of us as well. Star ratings and personal opinions are definitely a users options but should not be the "Default" settings for any folder or media player. The general public, as a whole, would learn the proper cataloging technique if it were implemented and made default by nature, just as they have learned windows and other apps and operating systems as well.
Default columns and labels should be something based on a worldwide standard and not something subject to personal and sometimes inaccurate information. If an induvidual chooses to lay out a folder a certain way it would be wonderful if it stayed that way and would not be altered at will by the OS or a media device without a prompt indicating that this was about to happen. Same goes for the media player itself. Nothing needs to be that automatic.
A much better folder layout would be title- artist (Or filename)- filesize and type (Or extension), by default. Then add either chart position, dates or star ratings as a user controlled option that would stay in place and not get reset.
Personally I would much rather have an onboard XML editor, not just a reader, as a default app than a onboard media player.
The media players involved should be an installed option, not a system default, and should be chosen to be installed at the time of the OS installation or added afterward,. and the functions should remain selectable and not automatic. I know the apps can be written this way as they have been in the past, such as in early versions of Windows xp, where "Media player" was a selectable option.
The perfect OS to me would be one where the user could select all options upon install. I personally have never used "outlook", windows messenger, windows fax and scan,or windows dvd creator because of thier limits. I want a search program that will find EVERY file in a computer including hidden and operating system files so windows search is of no use to me either, therfore I do not need Indexing services unless required by systems maintainence and backup. I use outboard email services, a device usually comes with its own app, such as in the case of a scanner, and have absolutely no use for messenger and if I did there are several "live" services available that do not need to be loaded onto the OS drive.I need burning software that can burn everything, including boot discs, not just what you think should be the priority, which is why I run outboard burning apps like Magic Iso and Nero. Total filesize of an OS drive should be kept to a minimum, ensuring speed, accuracy and easy maintainence.
The main thing I need an OS to do is just run my hardware, with no ram limits, no hard drive limits, or no limits on cpu and gpu power, (I do use AMD products but do not and cannot use "Cool and quiet"< I dont need quiet in a room or auditorium with 150,000 watts of audio power, no one will hear my cpu blower) and no automatic control of sound devices- believe me- I know when I connect something to my computer and I will assign it accordingly and it would be nice if it stayed that way. I dont need my computer to find my screen resolution automatically, as my professional apps MUST run at 1024x768 and cannot be changed, regardless of what screen I may be connected to at that time. I do not want my download or upload speed controlled, give me what my hardware is capable of, I dont need a screensaver, and if my computer is in use, it CANNOT be allowed to sleep automatically. These should be the defaults, and the user should be able to custom tailor from there, not the other way around.
Yes I realize this is the "Ultimate" version of this software, but I would hope that 7 Basic, would have all the hardware power, with none of the above mentioned side effects found in Ultimate, this is not usually the case, as there are always limits in the 32 bit basic versions. Large drives, large ram and faster processors and gpus are the future. Any limits imposed by the OS merely limit future productivity and creatibilty. Personally as a veteran circuitboard designer and tech, I can write my name with a soldering pencil but alas, never learned code.
Media systems should default to natural known existing worldwide systems and THEN subject to user customizations.
In the credit where credit is due dept, I do use and like the functionality of IE 8. I have always been an IE user and never had much use for firefox, or any of the others. I want my emails to stay online and not be downloaded into my computer, and definitely do not want it downloaded onto my desktop, theres enough crap there already.
Let Yahoo or Google be responsible for my email backups, cause if its not in my computer, I cannot lose my recipt or whatever if something crashes.
Another plus to Windows 7 Is the ability to run IE links from the taskbar, which to me is a huge timesaver. I also like the fact that the OS runs nearly everything upon its own ablity, and virtually needed no drivers whatsoever to perform better than it had in Vista or Xp. the computer as a whole has improved dramatically running Windows 7. I know several modifications and changes were made in how it reacts and implements the kernal and cpu processing this is very noticable.
The "user interfaces" have partially determined the inaccuracies involved withthe "Automatic media updating" processes such as Gracenote, freedb, and others. So many people hear a line in a song repeated more than once and think thats the actual title, or it sounds like so- and so, therefore it must be -blank, instead of reading the case and titleing accordingly, but alas, this is not a perfect world and, unfortunately people who cannot read or spell do own computers. Therfore media updating should be selectable by default as was Media player 11 and not automatic.
I will admit, Im not crazy about the folder layout in windows explorer in 7 and have no use for the public folders. This is something that should be removed until shared networking is enabled, which is something I do not need and would never use. To me, theres just 6 more empty - hard to get at- folders I cannot use being indexed for no good reason. I liked the user layout in Vista much better, as it was easier to navigate in explorer. And how about some better music for the samples eh? Just kidding.
All in all on a scale of 1 to 10 ill give it a functionality rating of 4 and 1/2 stars.......my opinion.
Please- put the media warnings back into media player 12. this could be disasterous for some people.
Or better yet, make it a user installed option. I do not want it or need it. Now I have to get back to rewritning my 50,000 files.
Thank you, and good day.
Im off to work, have a great night.
