4 gigs with windows 7?

fish00 · Sep 9, 2009

hey i was wondering, when i get my new cpu/mobo/ram im prly gonna install windows 7, and my question is, is 4 gigs of ddr3 1333 good enough for windows 7, or should u rly have 8 gigs like some people are sayin

either getting one of these sets of ram if u need to know what exact ones im gettin
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231189
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148261

newtekie1 · Sep 9, 2009

4GB is more than enough, unless you do some serious memory intensive stuff(video editing/hi-res photo editing), you will likely not notice the difference between 4GB and 8GB.

kuroikenshi · Sep 9, 2009

fish00 said:
hey i was wondering, when i get my new cpu/mobo/ram im prly gonna install windows 7, and my question is, is 4 gigs of ddr3 1333 good enough for windows 7, or should u rly have 8 gigs like some people are sayin

either getting one of these sets of ram if u need to know what exact ones im gettin
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231189
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148261

4GIGs is more then enough. Be aware though that if you want to use all 4gigs that you will need a 64bit version of it. Otherwise you will only use 3.25 give or take.

I have 4gigs of DDR2 800 ram and windows 7 runs fine!

fish00 · Sep 9, 2009

yeah i plan on using ultimate 64bit cause my new cpu will support 64bit

A Cheese Danish · Sep 9, 2009

fish00 said:
yeah i plan on using ultimate 64bit cause my new cpu will support 64bit

Yeah, 4GB is plenty! Hell, even 3GB will work flawlessly

newtekie1 · Sep 9, 2009

I run it on 2GB...

EastCoasthandle · Sep 9, 2009

Here's the deal with 4GB+ of memory and the OS of your choice:
-32bit Win7 will show 4GB but will only use +/- 3.25 (something someone else already mentioned)
-32bit Win7 can only use up to 4GB of virtual address space which is broken up into 2GB for the user space and 2GB for the kernel (I think, this part is a lot more involved then this).
-64bit Win7 increases the virtual address space beyond 4GB. Allowing it to use more then 4GB of ram for the games and applications you use (only if the game/applications is 64-bit).
-64bit OS will only run games made for 32bit in a 32bit environment making your 64bit OS moot (if all or the majority of the games/applications are 32bit) .

So you have 2 choices:
A. Use a 32bit Win7 and increase the user's virtual address space so some/most game/applications can run more smoothly
B. Use a 64bit Win7 and know that it finally recognize all your ram however, run in a 32bit environment for those games/apps that use it. Again, unless you have plenty of 64bit apps/games.

It can get a bit more detailed then this but I think I made the point.

newtekie1 · Sep 9, 2009

Not really, unless you point was use 64-bit either way because there is no advantage to 32-bit when it comes to memory and address space...

EastCoasthandle · Sep 9, 2009

Not at all if most/all of his applications and games are 32bit. With no sign of mass adaption of 64bit games/application I would suggest to them to just get the win7 32bit. He would only see a need in 64bit win7 when all the applications/games he uses are also 64bit.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Sep 9, 2009

Who the hell is telling you you need 8GB of RAM for Win7? :laugh:

EastCoasthandle · Sep 9, 2009

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
Who the hell is telling you you need 8GB of RAM for Win7?

Man, you be surprised what people will say just to get you to use a 64bit os :laugh:

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Sep 9, 2009

EastCoasthandle said:
Man, you be surprised what people will say just to get you to use a 64bit os

8GB is a little over kill. I can see saying 4GB but fuck 8? :laugh:

a_ump · Sep 9, 2009

yea haha seriuosly. like 2gb ram for vista runs fine on my friends computer and windows 7(from what i've read and heard) is less resource demanding or at least runs smoother and manages resources better than vista. 4gb is plenty.

Deleted member 67555 · Sep 9, 2009

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
8GB is a little over kill. I can see saying 4GB but fuck 8?

but it scores higher on some benchmarks :laugh:

yeah i went back to 4gb for real performance, seems my AMD machine actually runs a little faster with just 4 gb, at least to me

a_ump · Sep 9, 2009

jmcslob said:
but it scores higher on some benchmarks yeah i went back to 4gb for real performance, seems my AMD machine actually runs a little faster with just 4 gb, at least to me

i'm not positive and this is just a guess, but could that be because its only having to access a single set of dual channel(2 dimms) instead 2 dual channel? just an idear

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Wile E · Sep 9, 2009

EastCoasthandle said:
Not at all if most/all of his applications and games are 32bit. With no sign of mass adaption of 64bit games/application I would suggest to them to just get the win7 32bit. He would only see a need in 64bit win7 when all the applications/games he uses are also 64bit.

Massive multi-tasking also benefits from 64bit. I would not suggest 32bit, as it is just limiting himself for no good reason. 32 and 64 both cost the same, and 64 bit offers larger memory support if he ever needs it, but still offers equal compatibility to 32bit. There's no downside to using 64bit, so why wouldn't you?

Mussels · Sep 9, 2009

Wile E said:
Massive multi-tasking also benefits from 64bit. I would not suggest 32bit, as it is just limiting himself for no good reason. 32 and 64 both cost the same, and 64 bit offers larger memory support if he ever needs it, but still offers equal compatibility to 32bit. There's no downside to using 64bit, so why wouldn't you?

yup, exactly

windows 7 (and vista) both run just fine for gaming on 4GB.

The reason many people have 8GB is because DDR2 ram is cheap

Deleted member 67555 · Sep 9, 2009

Wile E said:
Massive multi-tasking also benefits from 64bit. I would not suggest 32bit, as it is just limiting himself for no good reason. 32 and 64 both cost the same, and 64 bit offers larger memory support if he ever needs it, but still offers equal compatibility to 32bit. There's no downside to using 64bit, so why wouldn't you?

Very well said :toast:

newtekie1 · Sep 9, 2009

Wile E said:
Massive multi-tasking also benefits from 64bit. I would not suggest 32bit, as it is just limiting himself for no good reason. 32 and 64 both cost the same, and 64 bit offers larger memory support if he ever needs it, but still offers equal compatibility to 32bit. There's no downside to using 64bit, so why wouldn't you?

+1

Was going to say exactly this.

Deleted member 67555 · Sep 9, 2009

AMD's IMC limitations

a_ump said:
i'm not positive and this is just a guess, but could that be because its only having to access a single set of dual channel(2 dimms) instead 2 dual channel? just an idear .

Probably exactly right, and maybe and issue with AMD's IMC

Mussels · Sep 9, 2009

jmcslob said:
Probably exactly right, and maybe and issue with AMD's IMC

more than likely - just like how many AMD's cant run 4 sticks of 1066MHz ram, and drop to 800 to make it work.

Deleted member 67555 · Sep 9, 2009

Mussels said:
more than likely - just like how many AMD's cant run 4 sticks of 1066MHz ram, and drop to 800 to make it work.

Yeah it makes for sloppy timings, or high voltages, neither are worth it
Oh and don't forget about Video memory with x64 OS's

fish00 · Sep 9, 2009

thx for the help, ill just stay with the 4 gig crucial cause its faster then the gskill

Mussels · Sep 9, 2009

fish00 said:
thx for the help, ill just stay with the 4 gig crucial cause its faster then the gskill

but it requires higher voltage, too.

we dont know your specs so we cant advise you properly - for example on intels latest platforms (i5/i7) 1.65v is the maximum, so the crucial ram would be unusable.

fish00 · Sep 9, 2009

ok here is my specs/ soon to be specs

mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128392
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103649
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052
VGA: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130469&Tpk=evga gts250 1 gb
one hard drive, on cd drive

so what should i do?

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