AMD Radeon HD 5870 1 GB GDDR5

mdm-adph · Sep 23, 2009

PVTCaboose1337 said:
O LOL. What an amazing picture. I can actually imagine w1z driving it though... And

It's from Guru3d, I gotta admit. :laugh:

By the way, I wonder why Wiz doesn't test Crysis Warhead? The 5870 performed a LOT better on that than the old Nvidia-optimised Cyrsis, as I saw from Guru3d.

ATi > nVidia · Sep 23, 2009

omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

omg omg omg omg omg omg :rockout:

mlee49 · Sep 23, 2009

Nice performance on the 5870. Awaits performance on the 5830, 56xx, 5xxx and of course more details on the Eyefinity.

ATi > nVidia · Sep 23, 2009

ok now thank me for my post bc the nick I picked 4 yrs. ago on this forum is now finally true.

Nacho_Tyr · Sep 23, 2009

4830=4850???

Binge · Sep 23, 2009

ATi > nVidia said:
ok now thank me for my post bc the nick I picked 4 yrs. ago on this forum is now finally true.

I don't get it? Come back to reality. ATi > = < nVidia to infinity.

Great review Wizz.

ShogoXT · Sep 23, 2009

Solaris17 said:
im worried about this also. my GX2's are side by side to allow my other needed slots to be open. and the openings at the top and bottom of the cards (near pci connector and power connectors) are the only things that keep them from nuking.

This is the current issue I am facing on my Atomic 4890 crossfire setup. They are sandwiched right on each other and the top card starts to artifact and overheat in crossfire...

Whats your opinion on the new AF and AA features? From what ive seen the AF is awesome, but is supersampling ever going to be used? I hear it just blurs too much.

Nick89 · Sep 23, 2009

I don't understand how people can be disappointed with this cards performance. Its twice as fast as a 4870...

Binge · Sep 23, 2009

Nick89 said:
I don't understand how people can be disappointed with this cards performance. Its twice as fast as a 4870...

You're speaking with regard only to ATi's line of cards. Some of us wanted to see them really really really beat nV, but this isn't enough of a lead for nV to lose face over.

Sasqui · Sep 23, 2009

Binge said:
You're speaking with regard only to ATi's line of cards. Some of us wanted to see them really really really beat nV, but this isn't enough of a lead for nV to lose face over.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something - but that's comparing to a Dual core 295! Let's see the 5870 XFire numbers!

The idle wattage draw alone makes me want one... I'll be more comfortable leaving my computer on.

Nick89 · Sep 23, 2009

Binge said:
You're speaking with regard only to ATi's line of cards. Some of us wanted to see them really really really beat nV, but this isn't enough of a lead for nV to lose face over.

But this is only a 5870, its not a 5890 or a 5870 X2. So I still don't see any reason for the disappointment. Its not even the top dog card for ATI's lineup so I don't see a point in comparing it to nvidia's top dog card.

Assimilator · Sep 23, 2009

As always, excellent review W1zzard.

Considering that RV870 is essentially 2x upgraded RV790 on one chip with some extra circuitry to make the integration seamless (and of course add DX11 support), I was expecting more. In particular, I was sure it would be able to comfortably beat the 4870 X2, but it seems that the 256-bit bus is somewhat of a limiting factor.

Now it's the green team's turn...

erocker · Sep 23, 2009

Binge said:
You're speaking with regard only to ATi's line of cards. Some of us wanted to see them really really really beat nV, but this isn't enough of a lead for nV to lose face over.

It's enough for Nvidia to rethink their pricing stategy. ATi has a single GPU card that thrashes Nvidia's single GPU card. The GTX295 is not the 5870's competition. Either way there will always be people disappointed in anything and everything so all in all it doesn't matter.

Binge · Sep 23, 2009

Sasqui said:
I'm not sure if I'm missing something - but that's comparing to a Dual core 295! Let's see the 5870 XFire numbers!

The idle wattage draw alone makes me want one... I'll be more comfortable leaving my computer on.

Nick89 said:
But this is only a 5870, its not a 5890 or a 5870 X2. So I still don't see any reason for the disappointment. Its not even the top dog card for ATI's lineup so I don't see a point in comparing it to nvidia's top dog card.

In a few months you guys will see what I'm talking about. Why is it arguable that I want to see ATi make a single GPU that's better than anything both companies have to offer? That's why I'm disappointed. Sue me for expecting more out of team red

theorw · Sep 23, 2009

Thrackan said:
Depends, what do you do with it?

Full HD gaming

So 5850 right?Would be better than 2 4850s that might not scale well,depending on the game!

Binge · Sep 23, 2009

Heh, eRock I understand what ATi was competing with, and I respect the idea people see that. I thought with the raw power of this card that we'd see some bigger numbers pop out. It's still an amazing card for power consumption, heat, and power. I like them. :toast:

erocker · Sep 23, 2009

Binge said:
Heh, eRock I understand what ATi was competing with, and I respect the idea people see that. I thought with the raw power of this card that we'd see some bigger numbers pop out. It's still an amazing card for power consumption, heat, and power. I like them.

Agreed. If the thing was more powerful, I think noise (which may already be an issue to some) and heat would be a big problem with the card. I'd love it, if the 5890 or whatever tweaked 5870 they come out with has a larger memory bus. I'm just still curious how Nvidia is going to pull off a card that trounces the 5870 while keeping die size and heat in check. Excited too! :toast:

Chewy · Sep 23, 2009

Sasqui said:
I'm not sure if I'm missing something - but that's comparing to a Dual core 295! Let's see the 5870 XFire numbers!

The idle wattage draw alone makes me want one... I'll be more comfortable leaving my computer on.

True, maybe its all just to the highly anticipated, ati 4870 will blow every current card out of the water false predicaments posted on some sites. In reality I think the 5xxxx series has high potential, possibly furthering its gaps to single gpus with new updates.

Agility · Sep 23, 2009

ATI is now releasing 40nm cards and wants it to be their top-in-line card now. With reduced die shrink and yet double performance of a 4870, it really is alot of work already. And the temperature and watts are like almost half of what its predecessors. I still can't imagine if i've had my 2900XT now. It'll take up 3X more watts then the 5870.

Still i think the 5870 is a good card. And am 80% sure. This might also forcibly tell NV to bring their cards at a lower price for competition / performance.

Their war is more like a PERFORMANCE VS MONEY issue then PLAIN PERFORMANCE now. That's what i see.

thebluebumblebee · Sep 23, 2009

But, Does it Fold any better than previous generations of ATI cards?

PVTCaboose1337 · Sep 23, 2009

Ok so lets just sum this up:

At the moment, ATI is king because it has DX11 cards, and a faster card overall.
When NVIDIA released the GT3xx, they will clearly be destroying the ATI cards, and they will be able to charge much less.

So for everyone who is confused:

SHORT TERM WINNER: ATI
LONG TERM WINNER: NVIDIA (to be seen but predicted in this thread by all)

15th Warlock · Sep 23, 2009

Thanks for the review W1z

A little underwhelming IMHO, but these are all games based on DX9-DX10 tech. Here's hoping the. performance gap will increase when the new games are released.

So far I see no reason to upgrade my setup, the good thing about these cards is that they will drive down the prices for prev. gen cards (heck it seems even Ati started lowering prices for these cards before they were released after realising the performance gap wasn't as high as promised, at least on current gen games) perhaps it's time to go SLI for me.

I'm positive 2 GTX285 on SLI will easily beat one of these cards, and DX11 games just aren't here to really justify upgrading to one of these cards.

Well, I'll wait and see what happens wih the release of the GT300, the green camp has been unusually quiet about their new architecture, and I have to admit my hopes for a much needed revolutionary change for video cards are diminishing with each passing day

mdm-adph · Sep 23, 2009

PVTCaboose1337 said:
Ok so lets just sum this up:

At the moment, ATI is king because it has DX11 cards, and a faster card overall.
When NVIDIA released the GT3xx, they will clearly be destroying the ATI cards, and they will be able to charge much less.

So for everyone who is confused:

SHORT TERM WINNER: ATI
LONG TERM WINNER: NVIDIA (to be seen but predicted in this thread by all)

This is ridiculous. You can't use a future win to say who "wins."

What happens when ATI releases a new card that trashes the G300? This all starts all over again.

There is no "long term winner" -- only short term winners.

...unless you want to say the long term winner is "the consumer," which would usually be true. But then, nobody gets to stroke their e-penii. :laugh:

Assimilator · Sep 23, 2009

Yeah, I want to see how well (or not) these cards do at F@h... with their impressive power draw they'd be perfect for the job.

Tatty_Two · Sep 23, 2009

Sasqui said:
I'm not sure if I'm missing something - but that's comparing to a Dual core 295! Let's see the 5870 XFire numbers!

The idle wattage draw alone makes me want one... I'll be more comfortable leaving my computer on.

Bottom line is that the 5870 is 17% faster than NVidia's top single GPU, however it is 22% more expensive (priced at newegg) so arent NVidia now in the unfamiliar marketing realm of ATI.... "yes our GPU may be slower but proportionally it's cheaper"...... AKA better bang for buck? As I said on the previous page, currrently ATI's greatest strength and NVidia's greatest fear should be the 5850, it's faster AND cheaper than the 285.

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