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Looks like a great PSU IMO, 750w, one of the best PSU manufacturers, 80+ Silver (even if you don't pay for the power, it saves your parents a bit), plenty of PCI-E cables, and very affordable. Go for it! :toast:

sadly i don't have the money in hand right now... Not till the 25th. If they still have then for that price it will be mine.(i will place the order on Christmas :laugh:) Next choice is a corsair 650tx (i think) not sure what my 2nd choice will be yet :laugh:

EDIT:the P4 is going to be down for the day. I am switching it to XP 64bit also. Win 7 64bit is too slow on that rig
 
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Thanks [Ion], Thats all I needed to know! I'll have my E5200 crunching in about an hour, the E6400 sometime today. The Pentium 4 rig, I need to connect to the internet somehow (I might have a long enough ethernet cable somewhere...).

Actually, how well would a Q8400 go against an E8400 for crunching? Assume both at stock. I can get one soon, they're both the same price.
 
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Thanks [Ion], Thats all I needed to know! I'll have my E5200 crunching in about an hour, the E6400 sometime today. The Pentium 4 rig, I need to connect to the internet somehow (I might have a long enough ethernet cable somewhere...).

Actually, how well would a Q8400 go against an E8400 for crunching? Assume both at stock. I can get one soon, they're both the same price.

The more cores the better for WCG. The Q will do much better than the E8400
 

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Thanks [Ion], Thats all I needed to know! I'll have my E5200 crunching in about an hour, the E6400 sometime today. The Pentium 4 rig, I need to connect to the internet somehow (I might have a long enough ethernet cable somewhere...).

Actually, how well would a Q8400 go against an E8400 for crunching? Assume both at stock. I can get one soon, they're both the same price.

Loading PPD Estimator v. 0.97.......please wait :laugh::
E8400: 6750 PPD (WCG), ~950 (BOINC)
Q8400: 10650 PPD (WCG), ~1600 PPD (BOINC)

Seriously, I should write a program that estimates the PPD based on clock speed and selected CPU type :)
 
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Just added my sister's Macbook with the Core 2 processor 2.4GHz to my account. Not expecting a huge output from it, but output will come from it none the less.

@[Ion] your estimate was pretty accurate :)
 
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Awesome, thanks again Ion. Hopefully my new years upgrade will include a Q8400 or similar!
 

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Ion = Master Estimator of the PPD
 
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Loading PPD Estimator v. 0.97.......please wait :laugh::
E8400: 6750 PPD (WCG), ~950 (BOINC)
Q8400: 10650 PPD (WCG), ~1600 PPD (BOINC)

Seriously, I should write a program that estimates the PPD based on clock speed and selected CPU type :)

I really think you should bro, seriously.
 

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Just added my sister's Macbook with the Core 2 processor 2.4GHz to my account. Not expecting a huge output from it, but output will come from it none the less.

@[Ion] your estimate was pretty accurate :)
My Core 2 Duo mobile gets ~750-800 PPD :toast:

Ion = Master Estimator of the PPD
I think I will request that my title be "Master Estimator of the PPD" once I get the required 5K posts

I really think you should bro, seriously.
I'm most likely going to be taking an introductory programming class next semester, so I'll see what I can do (unfortunately, the program will likely only be text-based, but still)
 

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My Core 2 Duo mobile gets ~750-800 PPD :toast:


I think I will request that my title be "Master Estimator of the PPD" once I get the required 5K posts


I'm most likely going to be taking an introductory programming class next semester, so I'll see what I can do (unfortunately, the program will likely only be text-based, but still)

Thats what I was saying!
 
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My Core 2 Duo mobile gets ~750-800 PPD :toast:


I think I will request that my title be "Master Estimator of the PPD" once I get the required 5K posts


I'm most likely going to be taking an introductory programming class next semester, so I'll see what I can do (unfortunately, the program will likely only be text-based, but still)

That' a start :toast:
 

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how exactly are you doing your estimations?
 
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Good day guys! Just updatin you that the rig is still crunchin after 23 hours runnin straight!;) Havent seen my updated stats yet though at WCG site! Says it takes after 24 hours after first submission of results to show the updated stats. But no worries here, what matters most is I helped in my own small way!:roll: Crunching and going........!:rockout:


Chicken Patty: Hope you got your well-deserved rest!
 
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how exactly are you doing your estimations?

It's a secret :roll::roll:
Just kidding.
I'm dusting off some of my dad's old C++ CS books, and I've already planned out how the program is going to go about estimating (not the code yet, just the general ideas behind it), so I'm going to try to get a text-based .exe of it out later this week :toast:
 
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How can I put that fancy little image you have on the bottom left of your signatures to promote WCG? (the WCG Cruncher one)
 
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How can I put that fancy little image you have on the bottom left of your signatures to promote WCG? (the WCG Cruncher one)

crunch 100000 points, then enter your WCG account name under User CP -> Settings and Options-> edit Options
it should be right there!;)

;)
 
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crunch 100000 points, then enter your WCG account name under User CP -> Settings and Options-> edit Options
it should be right there!;)

;)

Woot! 81000 points to go! :roll:
 

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How can I put that fancy little image you have on the bottom left of your signatures to promote WCG? (the WCG Cruncher one)

you have to put your info in someplace in the U.CP(sorry don't remember where) and crunch so many points(60k or 100k something like that)

EDIT:damn velvet beat me and with some details that i didn't remember :toast:
 
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you have to put your info in someplace in the U.CP(sorry don't remember where) and crunch so many points(60k or 100k something like that)

EDIT:damn velvet beat me and with some details that i didn't remember :toast:

and im the more severe Pothead of us,i believe :p
i just had to ask the Pipe... it told me everything i wanted to know:laugh:
 
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thanks to both either ways. certainly loving this forum.
 
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That has me laughing in stitches :roll:

their movements and facial expressions are quite funny,i know, but you must listen to the song!:laugh:
 

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and im the more severe Pothead of us,i believe :p
i just had to ask the Pipe... it told me everything i wanted to know:laugh:

i think your right.:laugh: I only do it every now and then(almost stopped is how rarely i do it now) but thanks for giving him the details :toast:
 
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