Quake 4 Windows XP vs. Vista...I'll let the pictures explain the rest.

zekrahminator · Oct 15, 2006

It looks like CRAP on Vista. And it lags too. Personally, I like worrying about that strogg with a hyperblaster before half-rendered textures, aliasing, crap graphics, and lag. You have to admit though, the Vista screenshot looks a little bit cooler from a game standpoint

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Azn Tr14dZ · Oct 15, 2006

Wow, that looks ugly. Does it do this to other games as well?

pt · Oct 15, 2006

i never tought i would say this:
"xp rules"

Azn Tr14dZ · Oct 15, 2006

Kinda looks like one of those Anime games, where they try to make the game both 2D and 3D.

zekrahminator · Oct 15, 2006

Quake 4 (and probably Doom 3) is the only game it does this to, Windows Vista makes Halo look absolutely beautiful.

Azn Tr14dZ · Oct 15, 2006

Yeah, it does.

Are other OpenGL games like this too? Besides Doom 3?

Alec§taar · Oct 15, 2006

pt said:
i never tought i would say this:
"xp rules"

Think so? Well, I can tell you one that's better on many levels (its codebase was used for VISTA in fact, not that of 2000/XP):

"Windows Server 2003, RULES!"

* As ONLY NVidia can deliver... & IDSoftware using SMP ready multithreaded code!

APK

P.S.=> "Z", I can see what you mean now, didn't really have to look too hard either to see the diff.'s in textures rendering & "efx" alone from the photos you posted above... apk

zekrahminator · Oct 15, 2006

Alec§taar said:
* As ONLY NVidia can deliver... & IDSoftware using SMP ready multithreaded code!

APK

P.S.=> "Z", I can see what you mean now, didn't really have to look too hard either to see the diff.'s in textures rendering & "efx" alone from the photos you posted above... apk

That screenshot is so much prettier then mine

. Must be combination of multi-threaded proccie, Nvidia 7900GTX, and SM3. I like my X850XT, but definitely want some of the SM3 pretties.

JC316 · Oct 15, 2006

Man, that looks sorta like Quake 2. Vista blows and XP rules.

an51r · Oct 15, 2006

vista is worthless until newer games that require directx 10 come out u dont need it and the license for vista can be used twice no more than that so if u get a new mobo or reformat more than twice u have to purchase a new key. DOWN WITH MICRO$OFT. everyone should just start to use linux lol

PVTCaboose1337 · Oct 15, 2006

Alec§taar said:
Think so? Well, I can tell you one that's better on many levels (its codebase was used for VISTA in fact, not that of 2000/XP):

"Windows Server 2003, RULES!"

* As ONLY NVidia can deliver... & IDSoftware using SMP ready multithreaded code!

APK

P.S.=> "Z", I can see what you mean now, didn't really have to look too hard either to see the diff.'s in textures rendering & "efx" alone from the photos you posted above... apk

Yeah, but driver support is minimal for my board, as well as not being able to play bf2...

grazzhoppa · Oct 16, 2006

reply to first post:

Make sure you have Bump Mapping and Specular enabled in the Advanced Options, because it just looks like those are disabled.

Alec§taar · Oct 17, 2006

grazzhoppa said:
reply to first post:

Make sure you have Bump Mapping and Specular enabled in the Advanced Options, because it just looks like those are disabled.

Sure looks that way: I agree & that's basically what I meant about "textures" looking off above/earlier!

Could it be ONLY that, & nothing to do w/ MS' DirectX API function calls being used to emulate/replace OpenGL 2.x ones the game ordinarily makes?

"INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!"

APK

zekrahminator · Oct 17, 2006

I'll check it out later, but keep in mind I was just running the .EXE from the XP install (too lazy to install in Vista).

x1800xtpeown · Oct 17, 2006

Ahhh i got better Quake 4 shots lol 1600x1200 x4 aa x8 af ultra quality

im wondering how much better a 7900 GTX performs in quake 4, probley not much better like 10 fps at the most. some parts i drop down to like 10 fps.

JC316 · Oct 17, 2006

Hell, turn the AA off, at 1600x1200, it isn't necessary. I run it 1600x1200 8XAF smooth as buttah with my rig.

DaMulta · Oct 17, 2006

ID just KICKS ASS and takes names with their Doom 3 engine.

Deleted member 3 · Oct 17, 2006

How about backing up why Vista sucks and not ATI? Isn't it just a driverissue?

Also, x1800 person, thre are people on these forums with 56K connections, use thumbnails.

Alec§taar · Oct 17, 2006

JC316 said:
Hell, turn the AA off, at 1600x1200, it isn't necessary.

Agreed - @ those resolutions ranges, jaggies on imagery borders fades completely: NO NEED TO TAX THE VIDCARD GPU patrolling them attempting to do work that is unnecessary!

* The Quake 4 shots above: Were those taken on a VISTA OS setup?

APK

Ketxxx · Oct 17, 2006

zekrahminator said:
Quake 4 (and probably Doom 3) is the only game it does this to, Windows Vista makes Halo look absolutely beautiful.

Also worth noting, Halo primarily was coded using directx, not opengl

Ketxxx · Oct 17, 2006

Alec§taar said:
Think so? Well, I can tell you one that's better on many levels (its codebase was used for VISTA in fact, not that of 2000/XP):

"Windows Server 2003, RULES!"

* As ONLY NVidia can deliver... & IDSoftware using SMP ready multithreaded code!

APK

P.S.=> "Z", I can see what you mean now, didn't really have to look too hard either to see the diff.'s in textures rendering & "efx" alone from the photos you posted above... apk

Wow, you must really not care about speech and animations all being completely out of whack by disabling that 60FPS cap limit

Alec§taar · Oct 17, 2006

Ketxxx said:
Wow, you must really not care about speech and animations all being completely out of whack by disabling that 60FPS cap limit

Heh, I have honestly NEVER noticed it... not once!

* I am just interested in performance, MOSTLY, but not totally... "speed kills" (or, keeps you alive conversely, I have found in "First Person Shooter" type games)...

(I tend to go for, more-or-less, a balance on quality settings depending on res I play the game @ (usually only AF used, not AA because I play @ higher res' typically)).

Still, regardless of the tricks I pull on the game in its config files? I have yet to see animations &/or dialog from characters be "out of sync", even w/ the framerate cap pulled in Quake 4 SMP 1.2-1.3...

APK

Alec§taar · Oct 17, 2006

NEED TO ASK QUESTION (was the shots taken by x1800xtpeown done on VISTA?)

x1800xtpeown said:
Ahhh i got better Quake 4 shots lol 1600x1200 x4 aa x8 af ultra quality

Again, were these shots taken on VISTA? Thanks for the info. on this note...

x1800xtpeown said:
im wondering how much better a 7900 GTX performs in quake 4, probley not much better like 10 fps at the most. some parts i drop down to like 10 fps.

On 2000/XP/Server 2003? Probably around that much... on VISTA though (hence, why I asked if you took your photos on it)? I would probably give an advantage to ATI (better @ DirectX typically, & NVidia's better @ OpenGL typically, but in VISTA - OpenGL API calls get 'wrapper translated' to DirectX API calls & lose speed)

Anyhow - here is a GOOD idea from tests done @ AMDZone using BOTH ATI & NVIDIA CARDS on Quake 4 SMP Beta (w/ SMP ready code on, & SMP ready code off for comparing what multithreaded code design got them in the way of gains, "frames-per-second-wise"):

ATI gains on SMP built Quake 4 beta (would be faster in final build, no debug symbols or code present in .exe final)

NVIDIA gains on SMP built Quake 4 beta (would be faster in final build, no debug symbols or code present in .exe final)

APK

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