Computer won't boot after shutdown, spraying with compressed air makes it boot?

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 5, 2010

Ok so my dad has this really weird issue with his computer that I just cant fully figure out. Whenever my dad shuts his computer down fully and tries to turn it back on, it just sits at the windows logo forever and goes no where. Yet, if he takes the computer to the garage and blows it out with the air compressor and tries to boot it up, it works just fine but the problem will represent itself whenever he shuts down the computer.

Im not really sure if this is a hardware failure of some sort or what it is. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.

Ive formatted windows and that isnt the issue.

His computer is (recalling from memory):

Intel E5200
DFI Lanparty LT P35
G.Skill 4GB DDR2-800
OCZ 600w PSU
ATI X1950 pro
Windows 7

slyfox2151 · Mar 5, 2010

if he unplugs the PC for 5-30 mins does it fix itself?

maybe an incorect bios setting?

suraswami · Mar 5, 2010

something loose may be?

dr emulator (madmax) · Mar 5, 2010

try a different powersupply

newtekie1 · Mar 5, 2010

So every time he boots it, he takes it to the garage, sparys it out with compressed air, then takes it back into the house and tries to boot it?

Sounds like something is either loose in the computer, or there is a piece of hardware hanging up the boot process.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 6, 2010

slyfox2151 said:
if he unplugs the PC for 5-30 mins does it fix itself?

maybe an incorect bios setting?

He had it unplugged for a week cause of a remodel of the basement (computer is located down there) so Ill say no.

What bios setting?

suraswami said:
something loose may be?

Ill check the cables.

dr emulator (madmax) said:
try a different powersupply

Wish I had another to try.

newtekie1 said:
So every time he boots it, he takes it to the garage, sparys it out with compressed air, then takes it back into the house and tries to boot it?

Sounds like something is either loose in the computer, or there is a piece of hardware hanging up the boot process.

That is correct. Ive been thinking motherboard issues actually.

segalaw19800 · Mar 6, 2010

some thing over heating :banghead:

ware is he blowing at what type of mob is it
:twitch:

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 6, 2010

And the title of my thread was changed why? Not to mention typo'd.

segalaw19800 said:
some thing over heating ware is he blowing at what type of mob is it

Doubt it. There is no dust to speak of if he is blowing it out every time he shuts down the computer.

Mob? You mean motherboard? If so see OP.

segalaw19800 · Mar 6, 2010

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
Ok so my dad has this really weird issue with his computer that I just cant fully figure out. Whenever my dad shuts his computer down fully and tries to turn it back on, it just sits at the windows logo forever and goes no where. Yet, if he takes the computer to the garage and blows it out with the air compressor and tries to boot it up, it works just fine but the problem will represent itself whenever he shuts down the computer.

Im not really sure if this is a hardware failure of some sort or what it is. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.

Ive formatted windows and that isnt the issue.

His computer is (recalling from memory):

Intel E5200
DFI Lanparty LT P35
G.Skill 4GB DDR2-800
OCZ 600w PSU
ATI X1950 pro
Windows 7

sorry did not see that :banghead:

hat · Mar 6, 2010

Just because there's no dust doesn't mean that there's nothing overheating. Perhaps a heatsink came loose, or some thermal paste got dried out... If I were you, I would rebuild the entire pc and pull the CMOS battery while doing it. That way, overheating, loose connections, and bad BIOS settings are all ruled out at once.

segalaw19800 · Mar 6, 2010

true true

pantherx12 · Mar 6, 2010

hat said:
Just because there's no dust doesn't mean that there's nothing overheating. Perhaps a heatsink came loose, or some thermal paste got dried out... If I were you, I would rebuild the entire pc and pull the CMOS battery while doing it. That way, overheating, loose connections, and bad BIOS settings are all ruled out at once.

Was going to suggest the same thing :toast:

Probably less elegantly and with several typos mind you :laugh:

newtekie1 · Mar 6, 2010

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
And the title of my thread was changed why? Not to mention typo'd.

More than likely because "Computer Problem" is not an acceptable thread title.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 6, 2010

Okay so I was forced to reboot my dad's system last night and upon booting up, I got a message saying that the SMART status was bad and that a hard drive failure was imminent. I pressed F1 to continue and it told me that it could not find an OS to load.

Not sure if its the main issue or just coincidence.

Also, I dont understand that if its an overheating issue, why it would make any sense that if you were to blow the machine out with an air compressor it would just magically start working.

newtekie1 · Mar 6, 2010

Blowing it out, or moving a large amount of air over the hardware will cool it down. Also, the time it takes to unhook and move into the garage, blow out, and move back into the house could also be giving it more time to cool down.

The bad SMART status is definitely not good, perhaps the hard drive has been overheating.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 6, 2010

newtekie1 said:
Blowing it out, or moving a large amount of air over the hardware will cool it down. Also, the time it takes to unhook and move into the garage, blow out, and move back into the house could also be giving it more time to cool down.

The bad SMART status is definitely not good, perhaps the hard drive has been overheating.

Its not that im trying to be a dick or be complicated and I do appreciate all the help with this guys, but if it were overheating and what newtekie said were true, then woudlnt the computer blue screen or just shut down completely if it were overheating?

niko084 · Mar 6, 2010

Sounds like overheating or failing components, lose connections possible.

Check for bad caps carefully, test power supply under load with a multimeter to verify voltages are stable, check all fans, tear it down and blow it all out good and put her back together make sure everything is tight and has a good connection.

Black Panther · Mar 6, 2010

Does it have a dedicated graphics card?
I'm asking because I have 2 pc's which do a similar thing. They go into standby and refuse to power on. They used to work again when I spray them with compressed air, but now I realised that what they'd need is a re-seating of the graphics card (they're old with AGP graphics).

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 6, 2010

Black Panther said:
Does it have a dedicated graphics card?
I'm asking because I have 2 pc's which do a similar thing. They go into standby and refuse to power on. They used to work again when I spray them with compressed air, but now I realised that what they'd need is a re-seating of the graphics card (they're old with AGP graphics).

Ati x1950 pro.

newtekie1 · Mar 6, 2010

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
Its not that im trying to be a dick or be complicated and I do appreciate all the help with this guys, but if it were overheating and what newtekie said were true, then woudlnt the computer blue screen or just shut down completely if it were overheating?

It can, but not always. If the hard drive is overheating, I've seen them where the computer will continue to function properly, but if the hard drive was stopped, it wouldn't start again until it has cooled down.

But if that was the case, it wouldn't start to load into Windows, it should just give the No OS or No boot device error.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Mar 7, 2010

newtekie1 said:
It can, but not always. If the hard drive is overheating, I've seen them where the computer will continue to function properly, but if the hard drive was stopped, it wouldn't start again until it has cooled down.

But if that was the case, it wouldn't start to load into Windows, it should just give the No OS or No boot device error.

But this happens after the computer has been shut down for some time as well. So im not really sure. :banghead:

niko084 · Mar 7, 2010

I have seen transformers and caps start to go, or even a voltage reg could be failing, and cause issues exactly like this.

Get it running and run orthos for a few hours and see if it locks up, if so replace what you can until stable to weed out your bad parts.

segalaw19800 · Mar 7, 2010

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