Phenom II vs Core i7

n-ster · Apr 11, 2010

Corduroy_Jr said:
thats agreed with ht at 8 threads yes

I meant that his Q9400 is definitively not bottlenecking his GPU

a Q9400 does not have HT, it only has 4 cores/4threads

Kantastic · Apr 11, 2010

alexsubri said:
For the Love of God look at my system spec's they cost me around $2300 ... you will never regret it. My system can shake a stick and take a $h%t at any program and video game, check out my video game montages!

And yest 5850 is faster than one 5870

Mother of God when did you build your system? I can't seem to figure out how it amounts to 2.3K...

Oh ygpm about your Asetek LCLC system.

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

2.66ghz is a bottleneck even with 4 cores

n-ster · Apr 11, 2010

Corduroy_Jr said:
2.66ghz is a bottleneck even with 4 cores

Not even close... especially not with a 5750

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

we all are entitled to our own oppion to me it is

n-ster · Apr 11, 2010

Not an opinion, it is a fact lol... I'll try to find you proof soon...

We all learn something new each day :rolleyes:

beyond_amusia · Apr 11, 2010

It's stupid to measure a chip's speed in GHz - a 3 GHz Pentium D is totally pwned by a 1.86 Ghz Core 2 Duo - There are a ton of factors at play in a CPU, clockspeed means a lot less now that in did 5 years ago.

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

anothier person's oppion its more cores or its a high cpu clock come on its not that hard to figure out we should all know this by now

alexsubri · Apr 11, 2010

Corduroy_Jr said:
hows that possible cause your 5850 is overclock, ps i waiting for a feedback if i should buy a 5850 or not

I have 5850 crossfire :cool:

n-ster · Apr 11, 2010

The architecture, the cache, the platform, all that stuff counts in determining a CPU's performance... This isn't really an opinion... Either your CPU gives enough performance or not...

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

right on good to know, should i buy a motherboard or a ati card to replace my 9600gt clocked at 800 1850/1200 x2 btw

Corduroy_Jr · Apr 11, 2010

i tossed in my amd phenom II 920 x4 into a m4a79 duluxe and ht 3.7ghz at 1.450v, so i know for sure i can reach 3.8ghz 24/7 which is unrare for a c2 stepping

alexsubri · Apr 11, 2010

Kantastic said:
Mother of God when did you build your system? I can't seem to figure out how it amounts to 2.3K...

Oh ygpm about your Asetek LCLC system.

$1,500 from CyberPowerPC + $500 New Egg Goodies + 300 23" LG 1080p monitor

HammerON · Apr 11, 2010

Corduroy_Jr said:
phenom II vs ic ore 7 is over rated there's no program's or games that support 8 theards ect so there for phenom II isnt that far off

World Community Grid runs 8 threads (or more if you have them)...

Wile E · Apr 11, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
I don't really care about the consumption ether. Its that damn 80 bucks extra for like 10% increase over a stock 5870. With a very mild OC that 5870 will put you in a 480 performance bracket. The 480 sucks for the money. THATS plain and simple.

You know it and I do.

No, what sucks for the money is a 2GB 5870. Same price as a 480 with less performance.

Corduroy_Jr said:
anothier person's oppion its more cores or its a high cpu clock come on its not that hard to figure out we should all know this by now

You are wrong. His cpu is not a bottleneck for a 5750, AT ALL. Only benchmarks would be effected.

Yukikaze · Apr 11, 2010

Corduroy_Jr said:
2.66ghz is a bottleneck even with 4 cores

The "Bottleneck" is affected by the hardware, the application running, the resolution you are running it at and any enabled post-processing options.

Stating that "2.66Ghz is a bottleneck even with 4 cores" is a statement devoid of any useful content and it is utterly false as a blanket statement.

LAN_deRf_HA · Apr 11, 2010

Thought the 480 was going to retail with a $50 price hike, $550.

Bjorn_Of_Iceland · Apr 11, 2010

From what I've been seeing, Phenom IIs are more in line with 45nm Core 2 Quads for a direct competition in performance (sans the 775 being dead and stuff)...

Kantastic · Apr 11, 2010

Bjorn_Of_Iceland said:
From what I've been seeing, Phenom IIs are more in line with 45nm Core 2 Quads for a direct competition in performance (sans the 775 being dead and stuff)...

More or less.

IMO the only reason to buy Intel at this point in time is for i5/i7 because if you're looking for the next step down in performance AM3 would be the only logical choice as it has 6-core support laid out.

Bjorn_Of_Iceland · Apr 11, 2010

Kantastic said:
More or less.

IMO the only reason to buy Intel at this point in time is for i5/i7 because if you're looking for the next step down in performance AM3 would be the only logical choice as it has 6-core support laid out.

Yes, and it would be a better option to go AM3 imo. Not that much difference over i7s in real world in fact.

eidairaman1 · Apr 11, 2010

Bjorn_Of_Iceland said:
From what I've been seeing, Phenom IIs are more in line with 45nm Core 2 Quads for a direct competition in performance (sans the 775 being dead and stuff)...

By the Time AMD came out with their Parts Intel dropped support for it, Reminds me of the Slot 1 Pentium transition to 370 and Transition from SKT 423 to 478.

Monkey_Business · Apr 11, 2010

The HD 5970's run EXTREMELY hot. For the past year, my single slot HD 4850 idled at 85 *C and 107 *C under load. The fan consistently running at high RPM forced me to play all my games with headphones so I could hear them.

My HD 4850 is fried, was thrown away, and replaced with my HD 5750.

I'm surprised that it lasted as long as it did (one year) consistently running at those temperatures. And that it didn't die within the first few months of owning it.

The HD 5970's, just like the 4870 X2's, run at similar temperatures using their reference coolers. I can't imagine the fan would be much quiet, either.

Will the ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 motherboards support AMD's six-cores?

Monkey_Business · Apr 11, 2010

How about this $200 X58 motherboard, and a Core i7 930 for only about $100 more? $200 is a very good price for an X58 motherboard. It is almost the same price as the ASUS Crosshair III Formula.

Plus, the PC shop I plan having build my computer told me they might be able to get some deals on Intel hardware.

The i7 930's and 920's are known to overclock very well, don't they? After the warranty has expired, and I've learned more about overclocking, I might give it a shot. I'm not aiming for 4 GHz, maybe 3.2 or 3.4.

Even at stock speeds, the i7 930's blow anything AMD has right now out of the water.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...e=foxconn_flamingblade-_-13-186-171-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...5225&cm_re=core_i7_930-_-19-115-225-_-Product

Does the Foxconn flamingblade have overclocking abilities enabled in it's BIOS?

My current OEM Foxconn G33 has overclocking permanently disabled by the manufacturer.

Most, if not all OEM boards do.

TheMailMan78 · Apr 11, 2010

alexsubri said:
$1,500 from CyberPowerPC + $500 New Egg Goodies + 300 23" LG 1080p monitor

Thats not a build. Thats a pre-built. You could have built a much better rig for the money you spent. I'm not trying to insult you ether. Im just stating a fact.

Wile E said:
No, what sucks for the money is a 2GB 5870. Same price as a 480 with less performance.

Well yeah. But I have no idea why you would even bother with a 2GB version.

Monkey_Business · Apr 11, 2010

I used the calculator tool in accessories and it all added up to around $1,900 using the retail prices from newegg, minus the newegg discounts.

I don't know how much the tax is on all those parts. I did not include the cost of the computer case, because I have a CM HAF 932 sitting in my closet right now...

CPU - Ci7 930
Motherboard - Foxconn Flamingblade X58
RAM - 6GB DDR3 1600 MHz triple-channel
GPU - MSI HD 5870 Lightning
PSU - Rosewill 1,000W
DVD Drive (I honestly don't need blu-ray)
Hard drive - Seagate 1.5 TB 7200 RPM
OS - Windows 7 professional
Anti-virus - NAV 2010
+ Cost of construction $99.99
- Cost of computer case

It all came up to around $1,900. I have a strict budget of $2,000.

How much would the total tax be on all those components?

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