Copper DSL at 300Mbps over 400m?

qubit · Apr 21, 2010

Just when you thought that copper telephone wires had reached the end of the line for fast broadband, there's a new technology that extends there life. This one seems to do it by suppressing crosstalk:

DSL Phantom Mode involves the creation of a virtual or “phantom” channel that supplements the two physical wires that are the standard configuration for copper transmission lines. The source of DSL Phantom Mode’s dramatic increase in transmission capacity lies the methods by which it eliminates interference or “crosstalk” between copper wires, and bonding that makes it possible to take individual lines and aggregate them.

I'm well within the 400m limit to my telephone exchange so could theoretically have this, but I would still prefer a fiber connection though. That remains fast, whatever the distance and is less prone to faults.

TG Daily

qubit · Apr 22, 2010

Bump! No one interested in this? :confused:

This sort of thing tends to be quite high on an enthusiast's agenda.

Lionheart · Apr 22, 2010

Im interested in this, but not very technically minded when it comes to stuff like this, Im assuming this is for the UK :eek:

qubit · Apr 22, 2010

It's not country specific in the article, but I think it applies anywhere you have a copper-based communications infrastructure. So it could apply to America just as well as the UK.

digibucc · Apr 22, 2010

yeah that is some crazy shite. I did not think a wimpy phone line could handle that kind of flood!

I would expect it to take forever to integrate here in the US though - it is software though, right? or even hardware on each end , but not along the line? that at least gives some hope!!

Kreij · Apr 22, 2010

DSL ? I'm lucky to have telephone.
Verizon is never going to do squat where we live. Our land lines still run through analog switches. :shadedshu

A local Telco co-op (not too far away) ran fiber to everyone's homes in their area.
Top bandwidth offered is 3Mb. :wtf:

digibucc · Apr 22, 2010

Kreij said:
A local Telco co-op (not too far away) ran fiber to everyone's homes in their area.
Top bandwidth offered is 3Mb.

LOL wtmf

there was a gag reaction to that... ty! lol

xrealm20 · Apr 22, 2010

It's an awesome tech - I'm looking forward to having a 100mbps connection at home. With how media distribution is changing (netflix streaming, IPTV, etc) I only see home internet connections growing.

I'm sitting on 25mbps at home now, and love it. And it's over copper - VDSL2.

v12dock · Apr 22, 2010

Verizon is the local telephone service here so this will never happen, I will stick with DOCSIS 3.0

[I.R.A]_FBi · Apr 22, 2010

Fiber? Must be strands of cotton at that speed

qubit · Apr 23, 2010

Kreij said:
DSL ? I'm lucky to have telephone.
Verizon is never going to do squat where we live. Our land lines still run through analog switches. :shadedshu

A local Telco co-op (not too far away) ran fiber to everyone's homes in their area.
Top bandwidth offered is 3Mb.

I don't understand, are you stuck with dial-up internet access? I hope not, buddy! :confused:

Kreij · Apr 23, 2010

qubit said:
I don't understand, are you stuck with dial-up internet access? I hope not, buddy!

No, my friend, I have satellite. The best thing I can say about it is that it does not suck as hard as dial-up for downloading and surfing. Dial-up was better for online games. It had better ping times.

Welcome to my world :laugh:

That's okay though, when I get fed up with my crap internet connections I just go out and shoot something. lol

theonedub · Apr 23, 2010

400m from the exchange is pretty damn close. Most people who suffer with poor DSL speeds are the ones much further from the exchange. People within 400m are most likely already capable of receiving 20+mbps lines. I want DSL tech that improves speed over distance

qubit · Apr 23, 2010

Ah, satellite, expensive, but preferable. As counterintuitive as it sounds, dial-up would have better ping times because of the much shorter distances involved. I remember seeing an article on this ages ago.

Kreij · Apr 23, 2010

For all you people who have a 10Mb+ connection I just want to say ... [Posted word removed by obscene language filter. Level 9000].

LOL ... Yes I am always keeping up on the new broadband tech and this looks promising.
High speed over copper is as awesome achievement, and a testiment to the people who keep working to make it better. :toast:

MadClown · Apr 23, 2010

qubit said:
Ah, satellite, expensive, but preferable. As counterintuitive as it sounds, dial-up would have better ping times because of the much shorter distances involved. I remember seeing an article on this ages ago.

Ive played with a guy online that has satellite and his ping was around 90, vs 250-400 on dial-up. Nonetheless, were's my 300Mbps connection, I have a hundredth of that bandwidth lol. Can't complain though, I never lose connection with my DSL, my friends lose their cable connection from time to time.

qubit · Apr 23, 2010

Kreij said:
For all you people who have a 10Mb+ connection I just want to say ... [Posted word removed by obscene language filter. Level 9000].

LOL ... Yes I am always keeping up on the new broadband tech and this looks promising.
High speed over copper is as awesome achievement, and a testiment to the people who keep working to make it better.

Oh, come on now, I've gadda know what the posted word was! :laugh:

Yeah, I can very well relate to the feelings that give rise to such words.

Kreij · Apr 23, 2010

Sigh.

Hybrid_theory · Apr 23, 2010

Kreij said:
[url]http://www.pingtest.net/result/15332019.png[/URL]

Sigh.

Kreij im guessing you cant get any point to point or wireless providers in your area. at my cottage had a 1.5 mbit up and down connection that used an antenna up in a tree. was fairly good except when it rained. then got like 800ms.

btarunr · Apr 23, 2010

Kreij said:
Sigh.

Ahahahah

No wonder though. Your packets go to outer space and back to the server that's 50 miles away. Mine cross the oceans over those ~8000 miles.

Solaris17 · Apr 23, 2010

btarunr said:
Ahahahah

[url]http://www.pingtest.net/result/15343050.png[/URL]

No wonder though. Your packets go to outer space and back to the server that's 50 miles away. Mine cross the oceans over those ~8000 miles.

i want a legit speed test bta go go go!!

EastCoasthandle · Apr 23, 2010

Guys someone claiming a 300Mbps at 400m is like a guy claiming he can throw a 110MPH fast ball from 20 feet. :shadedshu It's pointless...

btarunr · Apr 23, 2010

Solaris17 said:
i want a legit speed test bta go go go!!

I was advertised 1.5 Mbps. Welcome to India

Solaris17 · Apr 23, 2010

btarunr said:
I was advertised 1.5 Mbps. Welcome to India

[url]http://www.speedtest.net/result/791413271.png[/URL]

ouch. Im honestly surprised you could hold 300ms over 8k miles though

btarunr · Apr 23, 2010

Solaris17 said:
ouch. Im honestly surprised you could hold 300ms over 8k miles though

Latencies don't have much to do with bandwidth. I can play on Central US BC2 servers with ~200 ms, which is fairly playable.

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