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U.S. Air Force pissed at Sony

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The US Air Force has spoken for the first time about the removal of Other OS from Playstation 3 consoles.The US Air Force spoke very proudly when they announced the purchase of over 2000 Playstation 3 consoles for research clusters, Hailed as a way to save taxpayers money and deliver CELL processors cheaper than any other solution the US Air Force first built itself a 53 teraFLOP processing cluster using 336 Playstation 3 consoles. The Air Force says it knows of the impending lawsuits stating: "We are aware of class-action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that used to have it."

Seeing the merits of this solution the US Air Force attempted to obtain another 2,200 consoles which was later scaled back to 1,700 consoles, After verifying from Sony that bidders for the contract could provide that amount of contracts the Air Force spent $663,000 to make the project happen.

Sony's decision had no immediate impact on the cluster as the consoles as logic would suggest are not signed in to the playstation network and are not updated, However the problem goes far deeper as a statement from the Air Force Research Laboratory suggests their disappointment with Sony.

As it turns out when these consoles inevitably break or fail finding replacements for them is difficult but even worse for the Research Laboratory is the fact when refurbished consoles are returned by Sony the consoles they receive arrive with the latest and great Playstation 3 firmware... Minus support for Other OS.

The Air Force is not the only one to be potentially affected by this issue, with cheap Playstation 3 academic networks starting to appear worldwide not only will this cut off supplies of cheap processing hardware but it will also doom existing clusters when all units eventually fail.

The article if anything raises some questions and possibly suggests that the US Air Force is interested in the matter being resolved.

A similar issue will confront academic PS3 clusters, which have sprung up in labs across the country. In 2007, a North Carolina State professor built himself a small cluster that he cobbled together after "he spent a few hours one day in early January driving from store to store to purchase the eight machines."

The University of Massachusetts has 16 machines networked into a cluster called the "Gravity Grid," used to look at gravitational waves and black holes. According to the physicists at UMass, the PS3's "incredibly low cost make it very attractive as a scientific computing node, i.e., part of a compute cluster. In fact, it's highly plausible that the raw computing power-per-dollar that the PS3 offers is significantly higher than anything else on the market today."

All such projects will last as long as the machines survive or used machines are still available, but new hardware can't be added and refurbished machines can't be used. A class-action lawsuit has recently targeted Sony for removing a promised feature retroactively, though the issue is unlikely to be decided anytime soon.

We asked Sony for comment on how its decision would affect scientific computing clusters, but received no answer before publication.


it deepens, basically when the PS3's die, they send back PS3's that can't use otherOS and get screwed meaning the whole grid or PS3's many research institutions use are pretty much already doomed unless Sony does something to fix this problem.



another reason to use video cards(if thats possible)

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars'
 
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I hate them for creating and spreading Securom, it's nice to know that the US Air force now accompanies me in voicing grievances with this company. I say bomb them.
 
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Lets be fair the US air force doesn't need lawyers they have B-2 Goddamn bombers. If I were Sony I'd listen to them.
 

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heh, otherOS may well make a comeback
 

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Can we have the Air Force threatening to bomb Sony's HQ as a bargaining chip to get the other OS back?
 
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Oh LOL. I guess that Sony didn't take the hint in the form of Saddam's fate ? :nutkick:

Seriously, though, I hope they get pressured enough to allow OtherOS back. Removing features from hardware/software products retroactively is criminal - I don't care what any EULA says, it is simply illegal.
 

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I just wish OtherOS was available for the slim units, and I'm sure the people running the clusters probably do too. Since as units go down, replacing them with slim-units saves space, electricity, and heat.
 

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I did wonder about these 'super-computers' when I heard about Fony removing the OtherOS feature :(
 

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Isn't a core i7 not more energy efficient per task than CELL anyway ?
 

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Isn't a core i7 not more energy efficient per task than CELL anyway ?

yeah but try building a core i7 system in a box the size of a PS3 for as cheap as a PS3.


remember that these consoles are sold under cost price, so that they can make the money back on the games.
 

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yeah but try building a core i7 system in a box the size of a PS3 for as cheap as a PS3.


remember that these consoles are sold under cost price, so that they can make the money back on the games.

Hmm maybe intel should do a little of their under the table deals.
 
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Any chance of flashing new PS3's with older firmware? That should work unless there are other hardware related changes involved where doing this would turn PS3 into useless pile of chips...
 

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Any chance of flashing new PS3's with older firmware? That should work unless there are other hardware related changes involved where doing this would turn PS3 into useless pile of chips...

even if you could, you couldnt do it to a slim - there is no firmware for those that includes otherOS support.
 

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Well the guy who hacked the PS3 managed to hack OtherOS back onto the units that had it removed by new firmware :)
 

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Well the guy who hacked the PS3 managed to hack OtherOS back onto the units that had it removed by new firmware :)

I'm betting theres a huge contract signed with the Air Force, and I'm sure somewhere in all that fine writing it says "you can't have some hacker come there and hack your thousand or more consoles". And even if there wasn't, doubt the Air Force would have it done anyways.
 

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That's what they get for investing in Sony. They've always been two-bit backstabbers. No surprises here. XD
 
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IMO the PS3 is first a gaming console and second an entertainment unit and third a folding unit.

I really don't see why Sony would have to do anything to make the Air Force or anyone else happy. The unit isn't marketed to do what these groups are doing. It just so happens that the PS3 was a cost effective solution to meet their needs...it no longer is.

If anything the AF might be able to work out a special deal with Sony (for a price of course) to give them older models with other OS support down the road on some exchange program. Who knows.
 

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Sony is costing the USAF a lot of money. That's the only reason they need to file a lawsuit.
 
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well since they bought over 2000 consoles, there has to be a contract and in that contract and the contracts of others who bought massive amounts of consoles only for distributed computing theres almost definitely something that should have prevented this, I think that Sony will be forced to do something for the distributed computed side like do special RMA's with otherOS enabled otherwise they will be in court before too long against companies and organizations with alot of money and pull.
 

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sony is a large and powerful corporation. you would think they would make an exception here for such a large and powerful client...
 
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You would think the US Air Force would be able to make otherOS work on a PS3 anyways.:ohwell:
 
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I doubt very much that Sony gave them a contract any different to the EULA that you see on each and every PS3 (unless they worked out a payment deal, but that's different). As mentioned, the PS3 is a gaming machine first, an entertainment unit second, and (now that the other OS option was removed) a paperweight third.
George Hotz hacked the firmware on new and old versions to re-enable the other OS ability, but a government branch would never use it, it breaks the EULA, which means it's illegal. Even if the USAF can beat a lawsuit, it would be a waste of time and money.
I'm just surprised that the USAF didn't use the PS3s as a stop-gap solution, and go and talk to IBM or Sony directly about creating custom system to their specifications. If the graphics chip doesn't need to be as powerful as the one in the PS3, they could easily save money and electricity (saving even more money) by getting a system based around the Cell processor, a specified amount of RAM, and a basic graphics processor for 2D. Have a SAN serving files and code for all of those systems, and money is saved, time is saved, and USAF has less of a pain in the ass.

Either that or get like MILLIONS of Atom CPUs, and make a cluster that takes up just a cupboard.
 

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You would think the US Air Force would be able to make otherOS work on a PS3 anyways.:ohwell:

not without breaking sony's terms of service agreement. at least not publicly.
 
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I highly doubt the USAF has a contract with Sony. I highly suspect that the USAF just went out and bought a shit load of PS3's through any vendor channel they could find.
 

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Buy new console, flash with old firmware.
 
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