New Logitech Gaming Accessories: G700 Mouse, G510 Keyboard, & G930 Headset

[inferKNOX]

I just bought the razer Mamba, do you think this G700 will be better?

I still don't understand why no company has made a wireless keyboard if they have made wireless gaming mice already....I need a new wireless gaming keyboard to finish replacing my old logitech wireless keyboard+mouse combo and I can't find anything decent...any suggestions?

I really really doubt the G700 is beter. The Razer Mamba is way overpriced IMHO though.
I'm going for the M$ Sidewinder X8, it's a hybrid (wired/wireless) mouse, has a good price, good build quality, a good size (for my giant hand to rest easy), and good feature set.

Logitech tends to make overpriced stuff. I've never seen a point to any of their keyboards beyond the G11 and I think it's ridiculous to have a keyboard that needs to be plugged into power. Wireless gaming keyboards would probably have too much latency when transmitting for it to avoid lag, thus the manufacturers' reluctance.

 

[LoWRiDeR82]

I was checking a few of impressions, the mamba is still better than the G700 in feel and responsiveness, only lacks those extra buttons but honestly, I don't want more than 7 buttons on my mouse.

 

[LoWRiDeR82]

If mice can be wireless for gaming, like mamba, then a "mamba keyboard" should be possible.

 

[inferKNOX]

If mice can be wireless for gaming, like mamba, then a "mamba keyboard" should be possible.

Consider the size of the circuitry in the mouse vs keyboard. The keyboard is much larger, meaning there's some extra latency from the signals traversing the bus lines.
Then consider how many buttons a keyboard has vs a mouse. The great number means there has to be more variable binary signals (eg, 00110010, 10110001, etc). The ones for a mouse don't need to be long, maybe 4 to 8-bits (eg 0001, 0100, etc) to give enough variables for all the buttons, meaning less to transmit, less latency. Keyboards might need up to 16-bits to have enough variables (eg 01000111 00100110) just to tell the computer what button was pressed, meaning it take more time/latency to transmit to the pc.
Then remember that the whole keyboard has to be powered, and considering they want to raise the speed to transit the extra bits faster, they'll raise the frequency to speed up transmittion, meaning battery life suffers.

All these factors (and more) add up to make it much more difficult to successfully make a 'gaming class' keyboard that is highly responsive even though mice have been done. Also, remember that even gaming mice just started being release a small time ago, so probably in time gaming keyboards will become a reality too.

 

[Mussels]

battery life is better on cordless keyboards than on mice, your logic is flawed.

'the whole keyboard has to be powered' - not on a regular keyboard it doesnt, just a small amount of circuitry.

number of buttons is also silly, a mouse has tons more data due to the X and Y values of the optical sensor - the pure variety of signals is much higher there. also remember that most keyboards can only have about 5 keys pressed at any one time, greatly reducing the 'maximum' amount of traffic.


gaming mice and gaming keyboards have existed for years, both wired and wireless... yes the wireless ones often sucked, but thats the connection type. now that they've moved away from IR and crappy RF to bluetooth (and proprietary variants like logitech uses) those problems are gone.


you used logic in your reasoning, but you only half thought things out.

 

[inferKNOX]

battery life is better on cordless keyboards than on mice, your logic is flawed.

'the whole keyboard has to be powered' - not on a regular keyboard it doesnt, just a small amount of circuitry.

number of buttons is also silly, a mouse has tons more data due to the X and Y values of the optical sensor - the pure variety of signals is much higher there. also remember that most keyboards can only have about 5 keys pressed at any one time, greatly reducing the 'maximum' amount of traffic.


gaming mice and gaming keyboards have existed for years, both wired and wireless... yes the wireless ones often sucked, but thats the connection type. now that they've moved away from IR and crappy RF to bluetooth (and proprietary variants like logitech uses) those problems are gone.


you used logic in your reasoning, but you only half thought things out.

Ha ha ha, you got me!
Fair enough... I'm beat

 

[BoardkilL]

Hi BoardkilL,

Does the G700 work with the Unifying Receiver? And is this what you tested it with?

I have a Razer Mamba for my desktop, however it's impractical to carry around due to the dock being the wireless receiver. I purchased the Razer Orochi as I heard good things and working over bluetooth I wouldn't need an external receiver, however I have found it's performance to be less than desirable over wireless for gaming on my Alienware m11x.

Cheers,

Beefy

I had no luck using it with the Unifying receiver. The receiver that comes with the mouse looks the same, except having a G-series logo instead of the Unifying one. The battery is a rechargeable AA battery. I like the Mamba, but agree that the receiver/charger is a bit much. The G700 charges via usb. When connected to usb the wireless function is switched off, and you use the mouse as if it were any normal wired mouse.

I have the Orochi as well, and I'm not really that fond of it.

 

[Mussels]

I had no luck using it with the Unifying receiver. The receiver that comes with the mouse looks the same, except having a G-series logo instead of the Unifying one. The battery is a rechargeable AA battery. I like the Mamba, but agree that the receiver/charger is a bit much. The G700 charges via usb. When connected to usb the wireless function is switched off, and you use the mouse as if it were any normal wired mouse.

I have the Orochi as well, and I'm not really that fond of it.

AA battery is an awesome improvement, is there any way to recharge it in the mouse, or you gotta do that the old fashioned way?


bugger about the unified receiver, i really want to get my stuff all on that one USB receiver.

 

[LoWRiDeR82]

The mamba also charges via usb and not necessarily with the base charger, so on that account g700 and mamba are on the same boat

 

[Mussels]

btw, this is in the news section of the forums now, lets please move the discussion over there.

(dont forget to answer my questions about the mouse tho, boardkill )