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But name is still false!

Accroding to nApoleon latest confirmation, HD68xx will be the final name.

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Nice idle and load wattages.:) AMD/ATI always excels in that area from the looks of it recently.


To the person who said the 5770 didn't beat a 4870, where have you been?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5770/30.html

They're about the same, with the 5770 getting a very slight edge over it.
 
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No the new naming is retarded. It makes no sense.

The 6770 (does not) = 5850.

It's about the family performance. The 6770 is the 4th most powerful performer after: 6970(?) > 6870 > 6850 > 6770

Whereas: 5970 > 5870 > 5850 > 5770

They are both fourth in the family. The relative power of it, i.e. 6770 = 5850 is utterly irrelevant.
 

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awesome, good to see some more concrete specs surface, and from the look of things, these midrange cards are going to be beastly.

I for one can't wanit to see what the spiritual successor to the legendary 5850 will be, BartsXT looks nice and all but CaymanPRO is what my sights are set on.
 

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The 6770 (does not) = 5850.

It's about the family performance. The 6770 is the 4th most powerful performer after: 6970(?) > 6870 > 6850 > 6770

Whereas: 5970 > 5870 > 5850 > 5770

They are both fourth in the family. The relative power of it, i.e. 6770 = 5850 is utterly irrelevant.

Performance wise it does. So you can guess what the prices will be and that is whats relevant.
 

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Nice idle and load wattages.:) AMD/ATI always excels in that area from the looks of it recently.

I love you dude. It's straight man love but love nonetheless. You have a GTX 470 yet praise AMD. You my friend are worthy of the Angelically Unbiased Top Hat Trophy,
 

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Performance wise it does. So you can guess what the prices will be and that is whats relevant.

Yes.... 6850 will be about two arms and an ankle. For a 6870 it'll be quadriplegia.

I fookin' hope they dont hump us all.
 

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I'd say nvidia is in trouble, as there's no way they'll have cards ready to counter this so soon after rolling out the 450/460.... but realistically they'll do fine. AMD and nvidia will just slot all their cards in between each other like they've been doing with the 4xx and 5xxx series. There won't be much of a price war now that they've figured out how to price fix without exchanging words. All that plus nvidia has a big enough fan base that they'll buy their products regardless of performance, either for fanboyism or legitimate driver preference.

If you want to avoid my post, bottom line is Nvidia is not in trouble at all, in fact it is in a much better position than it was with GF100.

Nvidia and AMD have several teams working on different chips and generations of chips, so the fact that one chip is late doesn't affect others. It does shake the next releases a bit but mostly from a marketing standpoint, as they first want to sell some high-end chips, before they release the perf/price king (i.e GF100->GF104 == G80->G92). The original schedule in Nvidia was GF100 in Q4 2009, GF104 in Q1 2010 and mainstream/entry in Q2, rinse and repeat with next gen starting in Q4 2010. So basically GF100 was late by 6+ months, GF104 was late by 3 months and GF106 by 2 months or so. Next gen is not going to be late necessarily or too late, i.e Q1 2011 release. Remember that Nvidia doesn't need any re-design at the moment, they just need to add clusters or SIMDs to GF104 and have a "winner" in comparison to GF100 and that should be enough to compete with HD6000 cards.

For example, without engineers et all thinking too much (nothing at all actually :laugh:), adding one more cluster to GF104 you end up with a chip slightly smaller than GF100 (less than 3 billion transistors against the 3+ billion in GF100) but with significantly better specs:

Shaders: 480 SP -> 576 SP, 20% increase*
texture units: 64 TMU -> 96 TMU, 50% increase*
ROP: 48 same*
memory: 384 bit same*

* That's without taking into account that GF104 clocks much better than GF100, the new chip could be clocked at 800 Mhz easily and that would mean the new chip would be 30-40% faster than the GTX480, soundly beating the HD5970 and probably the HD6870 by the same ammount as the GTX480 beats the HD5870, except this time Cayman is said to be 400mm and NV chip would be a bit smaller than GF100.

On top of that and considering that finally TSMC's 40nm is at same yields as 55nm, Nvidia could decide to take the risk and instead of releasing a slightly smaller chip, they could go with a slightly bigger, but yummy yummy, chip. How? Same chip as mentioned above except they'd add one more SIMD to the SMs (note how small a cange this is and how easy to engineer/release it would be). GF104 is superscalar and its SMs have 3 SIMDS while having 2 schedulers, wasting one scheduler every odd clock cycle because it has no SIMD unit to talk to. The jump to 4 SIMDs at some point is unavoidable then, why not do it now, taking a small risk**? End result (and compared to GTX480):

764 SPs (+60%), 96 TMU (+50%), 48 ROPs, 384 bit. 750 Mhz...

** Small, because at this point 40nm yields are good, they know the process better and the resulted chip I estimate it would have 3.2 billion transistors and be smaller than GT200 in 65nm. That is, it wouldn't be the biggest chip Nvidia has made, but the benefits are enormous.
 

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Yes.... 6850 will be about two arms and an ankle. For a 6870 it'll be quadriplegia.

I fookin' hope they dont hump us all.

And now you see the light.

If you want to avoid my post, bottom line is Nvidia is not in trouble at all, in fact it is in a much better position than it was with GF100.

Nvidia and AMD have several teams working on different chips and generations of chips, so the fact that one chip is late doesn't affect others. It does shake the next releases a bit but mostly from a marketing standpoint, as they first want to sell some high-end chips, before they release the perf/price king (i.e GF100->GF104 == G80->G92). The original schedule in Nvidia was GF100 in Q4 2009, GF104 in Q1 2010 and mainstream/entry in Q2, rinse and repeat with next gen starting in Q4 2010. So basically GF100 was late by 6+ months, GF104 was late by 3 months and GF106 by 2 months or so. Next gen is not going to be late necessarily or too late, i.e Q1 2011 release. Remember that Nvidia doesn't need any re-design at the moment, they just need to add clusters or SIMDs to GF104 and have a "winner" in comparison to GF100 and that should be enough to compete with HD6000 cards.

For example, without engineers et all thinking too much (nothing at all actually :laugh:), adding one more cluster to GF104 you end up with a chip slightly smaller than GF100 (less than 3 billion transistors against the 3+ billion in GF100) but with significantly better specs:

Shaders: 480 SP -> 576 SP, 20% increase*
texture units: 64 TMU -> 96 TMU, 50% increase*
ROP: 48 same*
memory: 384 bit same*

* That's without taking into account that GF104 clocks much better than GF100, the new chip could be clocked at 800 Mhz easily and that would mean the new chip would be 30-40% faster than the GTX480, soundly beating the HD5970 and probably the HD6870 by the same ammount as the GTX480 beats the HD5870, except this time Cayman is said to be 400mm and NV chip would be a bit smaller than GF100.

On top of that and considering that finally TSMC's 40nm is at same yields as 55nm, Nvidia could decide to take the risk and instead of releasing a slightly smaller chip, they could go with a slightly bigger, but yummy yummy, chip. How? Same chip as mentioned above except they'd add one more SIMD to the SMs (note how small a cange this is and how easy to engineer/release it would be). GF104 is superscalar and its SMs have 3 SIMDS while having 2 schedulers, wasting one scheduler every odd clock cycle because it has no SIMD unit to talk to. The jump to 4 SIMDs at some point is unavoidable then, why not do it now, taking a small risk**? End result (and compared to GTX480):

764 SPs (+60%), 96 TMU (+50%), 48 ROPs, 384 bit. 750 Mhz...

** Small, because at this point 40nm yields are good, they know the process better and the resulted chip I estimate it would have 3.2 billion transistors and be smaller than GT200 in 65nm. That is, it wouldn't be the biggest chip Nvidia has made, but the benefits are enormous.

So basically what you are saying is Nvidia is not in trouble but is one swing behind. Kinda like the 3870 to ATI.
 

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So basically what you are saying is Nvidia is not in trouble but is one swing behind. Kinda like the 3870 to ATI.

thats what it sounds like to me, they have quite a few options availaible for a Fermi refresh that has the potential to be ~50% faster than a GTX480 in single card form, IMO.

this next round of GPU wars is certianly going to be an entertaining one :D
 

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So basically what you are saying is Nvidia is not in trouble but is one swing behind. Kinda like the 3870 to ATI.

Yeah, kinda, on the schedule thing yes, how Ati released RV670 soon after R600, but on the overall picture, not exactly, because I think Nvidia's chip will be faster (in the case of the 768 SP alternative it would be much faster...), but still severely lagging in the perf/mm^2 and perf/watt area, but in any case the situation is going to be much better than Fermi vs Cypress, much much much better.

That's why I think they will definatey not be in trouble. Unless you think they have been in real trouble in the past 2 quarters...
 

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They're about the same, with the 5770 getting a very slight edge over it.

Edited while you were typing this, my point being a 5770 is on par with a 4870, I would say it actually edges it now with driver improvements. :toast:
 

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OMG FUCKBUNDA! 6770 close to the 5870? Damn i will jizz for the 6870 and 6970

I think vendors would rather you just pay with cash. Last time i jizzed for something i ended up in jail.
 
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So if the 6750 = 5850 and the 6770 = 5870. Other than less power usage, what's the point in making these? It's not like it has DX12 or something. All they need to do is lower the price of the 5XXX series cards and just come out with the 68XX series.

That being said, anything that drives down prices, I'm in favour of.
 

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So if the 6750 = 5850 and the 6770 = 5870. Other than less power usage, what's the point in making these?

Giving you HD 5870-like performance for $200~250, and HD 5850-like performance for $150~199.

OMG FUCKBUNDA! 6770 close to the 5870? Damn i will jizz for the 6870 and 6970

Cayman XT close to HD 5970, Cayman Pro close to (or competitive with) GeForce GTX 480, and Antilles (dual Cayman) matchless. Again, my expectations.
 
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But name is still false!

Accroding to nApoleon latest confirmation, HD68xx will be the final name.

Source:ChipHell

someday ago chiphell rumor that they have cayman xt on the benchmark test with rumor of 1920:120:32 + 256bit bus +6.4GT GDDR5 ram, but later it turns out to be barts(6770). so not surprise all of these just merely camouflage they create with their partner which is try to confuse nV from doing next more and attracting consumer's attention.

It will always come down to price. Any of these cards run the ports we get nowadays. Get whatever is cheapest or fits your needs as raw power is useless anymore.

i wonder you are playing super smash bro 24/7....
 
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Giving you HD 5870-like performance for $200~250, and HD 5850-like performance for $150~199.

So I should be able to pick up a 5850 for under $150 soon. Sweet.
 

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So I should be able to pick up a 5850 for under $150 soon. Sweet.

Yeah, if AMD partners decide to clear their inventory (which they did not, with the HD 4890, even after HD 5800 series launch).
 
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Of course depending on when and if, could we see the 6970 cards come out with a cost of over a grand?
 

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Of course depending on when and if, could we see the 6970 cards come out with a cost of over a grand?
I hope it cost less than a grand. Atleast less the $900. :(
 

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Of course depending on when and if, could we see the 6970 cards come out with a cost of over a grand?

Introduction of HD 5970 did not drastically affect HD 4890 price. Partners rely on CrossFire sales (people thinking it's better they buy a second card than getting rid the first one and buying a new-generation card with that money, and end up with higher performance in current-generation applications). The price goes down a little, but not by much. Not even today will you find a brand new HD 4890 for $150.
 
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I'll be waiting for the 7xxx series this does sound promising but I hope Nvidia can hit the market with something competitive or ATI's prices will stay astronomical.
 
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I'll be waiting for the 7xxx series this does sound promising but I hope Nvidia can hit the market with something competitive or ATI's prices will stay astronomical.

Only the top cards that have higher performance than GTX480 though. Anything below that should stay competitive.
 

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I hope the spec's are true or better.
 
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