The AMD Phenom II OC'ers Club

catnipkiller · Nov 11, 2010

whats subtimings? i know about ram timings n stuff mines 5-5-5-15 ddr2 1066 thats all i have changed

Wile E · Nov 12, 2010

mastrdrver said:
Tech ARP x264 Benchmark

If you guys are using the x86 version of Prime 95 that would be your problem. x64 version, bottom link

I've use both x64 versions P95 and LinX. P95 always proves out over LinX, or any linpack for that matter, on AMD. If I'm P95 stable on my AMD overclock I never, never have any bsod. Games, benches, encoding, riping, etc never once has proven unstable after P95 24 hour pass.

I looked in the manual I have for that board. I can't believe there is only nb, sb, and vdimm adjustments. What a rip! I hope you got it for free or something. Only reason I got mine was because it came with the Athlon X3 that unlocks with L3. Fwiw that chip is the same letter code (BPMW) just an earlier date and it does a little better per voltage wise on the CPU-NB than my 555 did and the Athlon is a C2. I had a 550BE that unlocks and it is a pure dud compared to the Athlon with the CPU-NB. The Athlon really acts a lot like a C3 on the CPU-NB part.

No, no x.264 benches, actual 1080p BD rip encodes at pretty rough settings.

And I've used the x64 version of prime95 as well. Linpack is still better. It just pushes the cpu harder. It pushes more heat, and fails more often than P95. I quit using P95 because it was consistently proving to be unreliable at determining stability on my systems. CoD4 ended up being a better CPU stability test for me.

cadaveca · Nov 12, 2010

Prime95 is a far different beast today than it was before. Still not 100% perfect for every user though.

Mind you, I also don't beleive using any one test is good enough...I gotta pass them all.

Velvet Wafer · Nov 12, 2010

catnipkiller said:
whats subtimings? i know about ram timings n stuff mines 5-5-5-15 ddr2 1066 thats all i have changed

as the name says, subtimings are a form of ram timings, normally all timings that follow after the regular 5-5-5-15 are regarded as subtiming. tweaking these can net additional performance,give a healthy boost of stability,or produce major instability, dependant on which timing you tweak.
what about the NB, how high are your clocks there?

YautjaLord · Nov 12, 2010

Velvet Wafer said:
normally all timings that follow after the regular 5-5-5-15 are regarded as subtiming.

In every AMD-based mobo (courtsey of ASUS in my/most cases) this section lately found in either JumperFree or CPU Tweaking section of BIOS. Finally a person to ask that question, to - how shall i say - remove this annoying weight off my shoulders : what can you suggest ? I wanted to play with all of these & still do. Any suggestions ?

tRCD, tRC, tRRD, etc...... - what the f*** are these mean ? I know it's reffered to catnipkillah (jk no offence) but it annoyed me for more than just a long time.

Mussels · Nov 12, 2010

xanlord said:
In every AMD-based mobo (courtsey of ASUS in my/most cases) this section lately found in either JumperFree or CPU Tweaking section of BIOS. Finally a person to ask that question, to - how shall i say - remove this annoying weight off my shoulders : what can you suggest ? I wanted to play with all of these & still do. Any suggestions ? tRCD, tRC, tRRD, etc...... - what the f*** are these mean ? I know it's reffered to catnipkillah (jk no offence) but it annoyed me for more than just a long time.

hell, no one knows what they do, its magic

i just tend to spend ages trying every combination til i find the one that helps whatever goal i'm going for (stability or speed) - not exactly something you can rush into.

YautjaLord · Nov 12, 2010

Mussels said:
hell, no one knows what they do, its magic

i just tend to spend ages trying every combination til i find the one that helps whatever goal i'm going for (stability or speed) - not exactly something you can rush into.

F***.

As i expected. :laugh:

Anyway, still wanna play with these & i need now thorough explenation on each of these in Google, Softpedia, or any other techie site, TPU included. TPU cover this issue, right ?

Mussels · Nov 12, 2010

xanlord said:
F***.

As i expected. Anyway, still wanna play with these & i need now thorough explenation on each of these in Google, Softpedia, or any other techie site, TPU included. TPU cover this issue, right ?

ah hell no, its not that simple.

you can make 10 systems with identical hardware, and they'll still need slightly different settings to get the best out of each of them.

when you add in all the possible combinations with thousands of varieties of ram and motherboards, its just not possible to make an easy guide for someone. likely google will find you help for your motherboard and some reccomended settings, but it doesnt mean they'll work the same for everyone.

YautjaLord · Nov 12, 2010

M4N98TD-EVO+Mushkin RedLines CL6 DDR3 1600MHz 2x2GB. Mobo supports RAM upto DDR3 2000MHz (O.C.) & upto 16GB. Me going for "mere" 8GB DDR3 1600MHz tops for this & next year.

Currently using the 780a SLI based M3N-HT Deluxe until i'll switch to this 980a SLI-based mobo. Just need the cash for last 2 parts : case (HAF932) & GPU ~~(2xGTX 480). Don't worry - still got time til the end of this month/year to learn about these subtimings & stuff. Thanx.~~

streetfighter 2 · Nov 12, 2010

Mussels said:
when you add in all the possible combinations with thousands of varieties of ram and motherboards, its just not possible to make an easy guide for someone. likely google will find you help for your motherboard and some reccomended settings, but it doesnt mean they'll work the same for everyone.

Still easier to configure than ISDN.

YautjaLord · Nov 12, 2010

^lol'd Nice one. :rockout:

brandonwh64 · Nov 12, 2010

Sorry guys... im no longer a phenom II OCer

i changed my last Phenom II machine over to a 1156 Xeon setup. you guys are still awesome!

Mussels · Nov 12, 2010

brandonwh64 said:
sorry guys... Im no longer a phenom ii ocer i changed my last phenom ii machine over to a 1156 xeon setup. You guys are still awesome!

burn the heretic!

brandonwh64 · Nov 12, 2010

Mussels said:
burn the heretic!

I seriously love you mussels!!! naa ive been wanting a P55 setup for a long time now and i had to sell my Phenom II setup to get the funds.

Radical_Edward · Nov 12, 2010

Mussels said:
burn the heretic!

We don't have to, he has an Intel now. His shit is already burning.

Mussels · Nov 12, 2010

Radical_Edward said:
We don't have to, he has an Intel now. His shit is already burning.

the poor environment

brandonwh64 · Nov 12, 2010

Radical_Edward said:
We don't have to, he has an Intel now. His shit is already burning.

LOL yea it does load at 70 deg cel but that at 4ghz 1.4v

Velvet Wafer · Nov 12, 2010

xanlord said:
In every AMD-based mobo (courtsey of ASUS in my/most cases) this section lately found in either JumperFree or CPU Tweaking section of BIOS. Finally a person to ask that question, to - how shall i say - remove this annoying weight off my shoulders : what can you suggest ? I wanted to play with all of these & still do. Any suggestions ? tRCD, tRC, tRRD, etc...... - what the f*** are these mean ? I know it's reffered to catnipkillah (jk no offence) but it annoyed me for more than just a long time.

most timings benefits are for stability reasons only,but i know for sure, that the TRC is directly linked to the Ram-NB communication, and can improve both the bandwith and the speed of the L3 cache. you may want to start there

YautjaLord · Nov 12, 2010

Velvet Wafer said:
most timings benefits are for stability reasons only,but i know for sure, that the TRC is directly linked to the Ram-NB communication, and can improve both the bandwith and the speed of the L3 cache. you may want to start there

Which number to start from ? Thanx.

Velvet Wafer · Nov 12, 2010

xanlord said:
Which number to start from ? Thanx.

dependant on your rams spd, i guess

YautjaLord · Nov 12, 2010

The numbers there (in those corresponding sections - tRCD, tRCCD, etc....) range from anything like either 1, 5, or even 20. SPD ? I forgot what the f*** is it ? Somehow connected with RAM freq ? Thanx. I'll need pretty ALOT of tolerance for playing with these, i beleive. :rockout:

catnipkiller · Nov 12, 2010

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1479440

fsb is normal my ram is ddr6400 running 1066 running 3:8 5-5-5-15-31-2t
i wanna try and get it to 3,8 but thats me just what iv been aiming for my temps will do it just it wont go

Velvet Wafer · Nov 12, 2010

xanlord said:
The numbers there (in those corresponding sections - tRCD, tRCCD, etc....) range from anything like either 1, 5, or even 20. SPD ? I forgot what the f*** is it ? Somehow connected with RAM freq ? Thanx. I'll need pretty ALOT of tolerance for playing with these, i beleive.

the TRC i mean is normally the first timing thats to be found after the main timings (5-5-5-15)
it should be about 25-35, depending on your ram

catnipkiller said:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1479440

fsb is normal my ram is ddr6400 running 1066 running 3:8 5-5-5-15-31-2t
i wanna try and get it to 3,8 but thats me just what iv been aiming for my temps will do it just it wont go

as i said, try not to clock the main clocks higher, it wont go further without you investing a fair amount of money on expensive and effective cooling, and even with them, i dont think you can get out more than maybe 150 mhz MAXIMUM... realistic would be 100 i think.
how about getting the maximum speed out of your CPUs NB ?
thats the second best place to gain additional performance and snappyness from.

catnipkiller · Nov 12, 2010

like would upping my fsb and lowering my muti be better then just having 3.6ghz from the muti? cuz as i sit my system is 100% stable

Athlonite · Nov 12, 2010

Was fiddling round with AMD overdrive proggy last night and managed to get my Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 upto 1156MHz at the same timings and Voltage and it was stable enough to do 10 runs of FC2 ranch long but they did get rather warm

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The AMD Phenom II OC'ers Club

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