HD 7XXX series?

[Over_Lord]

You sir are a moron... Sorry to rain on parade but this isn't flame bait this is a question - answer thread... You are turning it into a flaming thread, so how about you stfu.

-SEPARATE-

Its been just over a year since the release of the 5 series and I was expecting massive improvements and just before the release of the 6 series they were still releasing 5 series cards which makes me feel like its such a short time in between series releases.

HD5700 was replaced with HD6800...

Now compare their performances, and come back here again to comment before you call someone else a moron

 

[Tatty_Two]

HD5700 was replaced with HD6800...

Now compare their performances, and come back here again to comment before you call someone else a moron

The OP is stating that to him it's a dissapointment as a current HD5970 owner I think as opposed to telling all of us we should see it as a dissapointment.

 

[GSG-9]

The OP is stating that to him it's a dissapointment as a current HD5970 owner I think as opposed to telling all of us we should see it as a dissapointment.

Which I do understand, If I had found a 5970 for $300 used I would have taken it in a heartbeat over my 6950.

 

[joeyck]

and I get 15FPS more on average on BC2... (95) this is great GPU and shouldnt be knocked cuz it cant handle a 5970 -_-

 

[boise49ers]

Im disgusted at this thread -_- the 6 series a disapointment? i came from a 9800GTX+ to a 6870 and I can not tell u how happy i am, like most of you guys said the drivers r pretty much virgin drivers, they r new and have yet to improve. atm I am getting awesome frape rates, my min frame rates in everything i play in most case ARE HIGHER THEN MY MAX frame rates that I had with a 9800GTX+ :S

Idc if you say oh well 6870 is a replacement for the 5770 could be true or not but I compare my 6870 to a 5870 any day as that is how in love i am with the performance i got from it...

I ran tests with my card againt a heavily over clocked gtx460 (mine was clocked to its limit as well = 1000/1150) well all in all it raped the gtx460... so please dont bash a awesome line of cards just because you "THINK" they are a disappointment!

I came from a 4870 to a 6870 and the 6870 is a beast compared to the 4800 series. I don't understand being disgusted with the 6000 series at all, especially the price I paid for the amount of performance I gained.

 

[wolf]

...while letting Nvidia catch up a bit.

before smashing them again, with a new architechure

as far as I'm aware they're doing just fine for themselves, in fact better than AMD are doing for themselves as an entire company...

yes the 5970 was/is top dog for a while, but that sure as hell didn't stop a butload of people buying 480's and 470's. then they caught AMD with their dick in their hands by dropping the 580/570 barely announced to pwn the 6900 parade. keep in mind also quad GPU scaling, and when your talking about high end cards, buying two isn't exactly a stretch. Nvidia did somewhat better for themselves (imo) to have two single GPU's compete against AMD's 4, as the gaming experience goes.

I'm not trying to put down the 6000 series, I think AMD has done really well with that, and improved their cards in almost they exact ways I had have hoped (more ROPS for midrage, more ram for high end, perf/watt, etc)

people are quick to have a larf at Nvidia, but their position is very strong right now.

 

[joeyck]

I came from a 4870 to a 6870 and the 6870 is a beast compared to the 4800 series. I don't understand being disgusted with the 6000 series at all, especially the price I paid for the amount of performance I gained.

u took my post wrong XD i mean i am disgusted with this idiot bashing the 6 series i love my ATI 6870 is absolutely perfect

 

[Bo$$]

people are quick to have a larf at Nvidia, but their position is very strong right now.

my last 6 cards have been nvidia's i love them and ATI equally, each from a different stand point, but this generation ATI is ahead, and it is this catching up nvidia is doing which is slightly hurting sales. i mean no fanboyism or anything, just from a business perperstive ATI have done exceptionally last quarter

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

all i know is right now in DX11 games which is what im looking forward to and are going to strain my hardware a 6970 tends to be pretty god damn close to a 5970 performance wise

in the below review the 5970 is a bit faster then a 6970 but in general on an i7 cpu dual 6900 series cards rape the 5970 like no ones business a 6990 should be slightly slower then 6950 crossfire
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/13

i was originally running dual 5800s which are on par of faster then the 5970 was and in Metro 2033 my frame rates at max settings including depth of field the increase was 100% + literally the performance change was more then double 25fps avg vs 55fps avg

6900s arent fail your trying to compare a card thats price tag was $600+ vs a gpu thats keeping pace where it matters at a $300 price point focus has changed VLIW5 arch is better in DX9 which is what most ports still are but DX11 which is where im focusing the 5970s older arch is showing its age vs the newer VLIW4 not to mention that the 1 gig frame buffer on the 5970 is already showing its not enough it gets its ass HANDED to it in minimum frame rate tests compared to the newer 6000 series.

in Battlefield bad company 2 ive seen a 40% increase in frame rate going from dual 5800 to dual 6900 and thats overclocked cpu + 5800s bs stock clock cpu and stock 6900s overclocked i hit 50% so in 2 gpu vs 2 gpu 6900 series offers better scaling better minimum frame rates which is key for me along with larger framebuffer to better handle my AA settings. 6990 should be at stock clocks around 30% faster then a 5970 overclocked with the power settings at 20% id expect around 40-45% which is a large improvement when considering were still on 40nm across 2 generations and the power limit is still ATX spec of 300w so within the same TDP range were seeing a 20-30% improvement and with better crossfire scaling the distance gets ever larger.

 

[sliderider]

Well Ive skipped the 6XXX series due to lack of performance and I'm definitely going to get the next series whether it be named like 7870. Will it be better or just another flop like this one...

Troll much?

 

[sliderider]

how dare those cards not double the power of the previous generation..

HD6800 DOES double the power of the previous generation 5750 and 5770 which IS the cards they replace at their price point. HD6900 gains could be said to be marginal, but they gain in other areas besides raw performance.

 

[DannibusX]

AMD should have left the naming scheme alone. There would be much less confusion that way.

 

[sliderider]

A lot will depend on when the next generation of consoles come out. And with X-box and PS3 just introducing their own Wii type movement thingys. It could be awhile...

Damn idiots holding up progress. 360 has entered it's 6th year on the market, it's time for a new console not some stupid gadget that makes you jump around your living room like a spaz. Not only are they holding up console gaming, they're holding up PC gaming because everything is a port of the console version of the game only with a few more eye candy options. The sooner they get around to making a new console with an updated graphics engine and faster processor the better.

 

[The_Ish]

Theres a lot to be done through drivers for the 6xxx series. The 5870 for example only gained about 6% overall performance increase from release drivers to 10.12 drivers. Which doesn't exactly give it bragging rights. I fell the 6xxx series have untapped power yet to be shown.
You also have to consider the fact that the 5970 is really two cards. I'm fairly confident my setup would destroy it

edit/ Well what do you know..

 

[Solaris17]

You sir are a moron... Sorry to rain on parade but this isn't flame bait this is a question - answer thread... You are turning it into a flaming thread, so how about you stfu.

-SEPARATE-

Its been just over a year since the release of the 5 series and I was expecting massive improvements and just before the release of the 6 series they were still releasing 5 series cards which makes me feel like its such a short time in between series releases.

Hes not the moron. You are dissapointed in the 6 series because why? let me read agian....o ya because some of the cards were below or close to series performance levels? WTF? are you new to this? EVERY series has done that both nvidia and ATI since their inception. The mid range new series will always be out performed by the highend latest/old series. and the new series low end range will always be out performed by mid range latest/old. This is because they are priced competativly and usually offer things HTPC users/new builders want price/performance and lower power usage as compared to the previous generation. The funny thing is the high end cards ALWAYS out perform the last generation highend cards. Dont give me that no my 5970 still beats their current highest when not in xfire. The 6 series end line flagship isnt even out yet.

 

[sliderider]

Hes not the moron. You are dissapointed in the 6 series because why? let me read agian....o ya because some of the cards were below or close to series performance levels? WTF? are you new to this? EVERY series has done that both nvidia and ATI since their inception. The mid range new series will always be out performed by the highend latest/old series. and the new series low end range will always be out performed by mid range latest/old. This is because they are priced competativly and usually offer things HTPC users/new builders want price/performance and lower power usage as compared to the previous generation. The funny thing is the high end cards ALWAYS out perform the last generation highend cards. Dont give me that no my 5970 still beats their current highest when not in xfire. The 6 series end line flagship isnt even out yet.

I've been hearing rumors of an HTPC version of HD6000 likely to be called HD6300 since before HD6800 was released. I wonder what the holdup is. Are they waiting until they can do a top to bottom refresh before releasing anything new to the bottom of the market? By the time they are ready to replace 54XX/55XX/56XX and 57XX, the 28nm parts will be here and the HD6000 based replacements will already be obsolete.

 

[Solaris17]

I've been hearing rumors of an HTPC version of HD6000 likely to be called HD6300 since before HD6800 was released. I wonder what the holdup is. Are they waiting until they can do a top to bottom refresh before releasing anything new to the bottom of the market? By the time they are ready to replace 54XX/55XX/56XX and 57XX, the 28nm parts will be here and they'll already be obsolete.

from what iv seen HTPC counterparts usually always get a refreshed die. not really on a new process but revison wise. the power circuitry is also usually changed alot. Other then the red PCB I dont think it will look like current 6 series cards. it will probably look like a 5770 with lower power consumption and about the same performance. except with 6 series type stuff.

 

[sliderider]

48xx series were win.
So I am waiting for AMD to bring out another series just like them.

Sure they ran hot and the power draw is more than the 6xxx series but who care with the performance vs price.

Oh hell, yeah. The whole HD4000 series from top to bottom beat the crap out of HD2000/3000 in every way. The single core 4850 and 4870 cards were going toe to toe with the previous generation X2 card in everything but synthetic benchmarks. That's a huge performance increase. I wish AMD could pull that off again and release a single GPU card that is faster than the previous generation dual card.

 

[Black Panther]

I wish AMD could pull that off again and release a single GPU card that is faster than the previous generation dual card.

I wish they would too. The OP has a 5970, obviously he feels frustrated seeing that he cannot really upgrade to the 6xxx series.

Same as I felt frustrated as well. I'm still running one 5970 myself but on an E8400 @ 4Ghz. It runs my games fine (mainly fallout series, dirt 2). Still waiting here for a better card which would make it worthwhile to upgrade my processor, mobo & ram. If things remain as they are, I wouldn't be upgrading anything.

 

[Eric_Cartman]

Knowing AMD, they will release what is nothing more than a slightly updated product with little to no real performance improvement.

Then they will up the series to the next number, but also up the sub-searies one number too.

Of course this time around that means they will go to 7XXX, but they can't up the X9XX to X10XX so they will just call those cards 8900 series cards.

AMD will be super excited about the next next gen card, and make a huge deal about how advanced they are because the numbers are so much higher.

The consumer with 6900 card will wonder what happened to the 7900 series, think they are really behind, and upgrade to cards that hardly outperform their current cards.

 

[sliderider]

I wish they would too. The OP has a 5970, obviously he feels frustrated seeing that he cannot really upgrade to the 6xxx series.

Same as I felt frustrated as well. I'm still running one 5970 myself but on an E8400 @ 4Ghz. It runs my games fine (mainly fallout series, dirt 2). Still waiting here for a better card which would make it worthwhile to upgrade my processor, mobo & ram. If things remain as they are, I wouldn't be upgrading anything.

Well, there is the Asus Ares.

 

[Solaris17]

Well, there is the Asus Ares.

That isnt a card thats a very angry living organism.

 

[newtekie1]

Oh hell, yeah. The whole HD4000 series from top to bottom beat the crap out of HD2000/3000 in every way. The single core 4850 and 4870 cards were going toe to toe with the previous generation X2 card in everything but synthetic benchmarks. That's a huge performance increase. I wish AMD could pull that off again and release a single GPU card that is faster than the previous generation dual card.

Well when nVidia did it, everyone called the card a failure...

 

[erocker]

Well when nVidia did it, everyone called the card a failure...

C'mon man, lets face it. Everything is a failure. Computer hardware companies have no idea what they are doing and it's clear to the world that forum posters know everything and are the ultimate in knowing what is what.

Why are we even bothering speculating on AMD's next card already? Barely anyone could speculate correctly with the 69xx series days before launch!

 

[sliderider]

Well when nVidia did it, everyone called the card a failure...

And to which generation of cards are we referring? GTX480 over GTX295? You'll also note that power consumption and heat soared, that's why that was a fail. HD4800 didn't have those issues when they came out. Going further back you might say the same about the 8800GTX/Ultra vs the 7950GX2, but I don't remember anyone being critical about those. Everyone loved the 8800 cards for a long time and some still do.