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If you buy something Mac, you've bought something Apple. No need to include it.

UM yeah I know this . I was covering all bases . I hate Apple it really is crap IMHO .
 

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Apple wastes money on these "security torx screws" (not real one) which increase the product's price, and these protection don't benefit consumers at all.

when the consumers of apple products give a crap about price or what the benefits are of having an iMac are other then just because they look cool in white, then i'l let you know.


IMO you could have an iMac with a dual beverage cooler built in and people would still jump through hoops of fire to buy it reguardless of the price.
 
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everyone knows the best way to open a mac is by smashing it.

Sadly im using a mac right now and let me tell you it has froze up 3+ in the last 4 hours!! these do truly suck, and sooooo slow it lags if i have web with video, itunes, and word up:shadedshu
 

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And the memory issue on the Iphone4 is far from boring, if hardware is your concern. You are just dismissing it because it is a huge flaw. When I could get a 32GB DroidX for the price of the 16GB Iphone4, that is a huge thing. Other than that, there isn't much else between the two hardware wise. The DroidX has a bigger screen, but the Ipone4's display is higher resolution. The DroidX also has an FM Tuner, and Flash support. All this isn't me saying the Iphone4 is bad though, it is a great phone.

I meant boring as in "bad". :)

I am kinda suprised at the HP thing though. I would imagine the image quality of the Mac he had would be better than the Mac. But thanks for enlightening me. :)
 

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But wasn't it Steve Jobs that invented the PC ? WOW ! Did any one hear how they talked about him on FOX and CNN ? They made it sound as if he was a god of the times . With all the ipad this and ipod that Jesus hit me with a whiffle ball bat !
 

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But wasn't it Steve Jobs that invented the PC ? WOW ! Did any one hear how they talked about him on FOX and CNN ? They made it sound as if he was a god of the times . With all the ipad this and ipod that Jesus hit me with a whiffle ball bat !

I bet people worship him.
 
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The "PC" as we refer to it these days, descends from the IBM Model 5150 (or IBM PC). Apple products are "personal computers" but NOT "PCs", kinda confusing I know...
 

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Whether you like Steve or Apple and their iProduct catalogue or not, the guy deserves a lot more respect than the kind of attention a popstar / moviestar / footballer gets.

He has really transformed the consumer space. Hat's off to him, job (lol) well done.
 
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Only thing that i like about Apple is iPhone 4 glass sandwich. The phone is a bit more fragile when doing a close encounter with concrete or asphalt, but the glass is something you don't see too often (at all) on such devices. I'd love to have my Samsung Wave with a glass surface on both sides. Gorilla Glass preferably...
 

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Yeah and how many non-techy people do you know who actually have the skills to swap out their own RAM much less a hard disk? Of all the consumer-freedom-thwarting crap that companies pull in the name of their own protection this is hardly even close to the most egregious. You anti-fanboys just hate Apple. Same poop, different scoop.

Anti-fanboys are even worse cause it's just unwarranted and unfair hive-mind negativity.
 

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I love laughing at smug mac owners :) then the smile fades from their face after you drop the bomb;

but can it play crysis? (half as well as my rig which is half the cost)

if you buy apple gear you deserve for them to put these screws in.
 

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Who the hell do you know who even knows what Crysis and then buys a Mac?

Ridiculous. Apples to oranges man, no pun intended.
 
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Yeah and how many non-techy people do you know who actually have the skills to swap out their own RAM much less a hard disk? Of all the consumer-freedom-thwarting crap that companies pull in the name of their own protection this is hardly even close to the most egregious. You anti-fanboys just hate Apple. Same poop, different scoop.

Anti-fanboys are even worse cause it's just unwarranted and unfair hive-mind negativity.

Yup the general feeling at TPU is quite anti Mac because of their nasty control freakery and ridiculous prices - and it's one of the things I love about this place. :rockout:
 

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TPU is quite anti apple (not officially, just large portions of the user base), because their products have so many damn flaws and drawbacks compared to other companies products.


oh yay, better battery life by a few minutes? well, try doing something that a real smart phone can do and see how its battery life goes. i can run two browsers with 5 tabs (windows, as it calls it) each, a torrent program, MP3 player, camera, VOIP/SIP phone and share my 3G internet over wifi... all at the same time. my phones from 2007.

sure, my battery life goes to about 8 hours when i do that... but changing to an apple phone that has three times the battery life doesnt mean squat when it loses all the FEATURES.
 
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I bet people worship him.

Yes they do with comments such as , The world will never be the same with out him and no one can replace him ever !
 
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People are suckers for buying quality hardware? I'm no fan of apple meself, but the things they make are of high quality, and if people want to pay a premium for that (and the looks if you like that sort of thing) just let them.

This is a bit too much though.

I can give you the Macbooks, they are kinda overpriced, but I bet you didn't get the same battery life from the HP. Also I can bet that the Mac was lighter and had a better monitor.

And that you prefer the DroidX over iPhone is no indication that it's any better than it. HDMI is pretty awesome, but more useful apps? Doesn't matter imo, not when talking hardware. The memory thing is boring.

I'm not saying I actually like Apple, I would never buy anything from them, but I think they deserve some credit. They get bashed all the time on this forum, often unfairly.

Not really. Apple's products are top notch. They are high quality. For the things you actually get (size, weight, battery life and looks are all feutures) the prices are spot on. I usually don't agree with them and I don't care much for how they do software, but hardwarewise it's usually spot on (this might not be true with Mac Pro's though).

what ?? are you being sarcastic ?

did you ever heard apple imac yellow screen problem ?? or recently iPhone4 antenagate ?

and iphone/iPad overheating problem?? hell they product was build by blood of worker thats work on foxcon factory
 
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TPU is quite anti apple (not officially, just large portions of the user base), because their products have so many damn flaws and drawbacks compared to other companies products.


oh yay, better battery life by a few minutes? well, try doing something that a real smart phone can do and see how its battery life goes. i can run two browsers with 5 tabs (windows, as it calls it) each, a torrent program, MP3 player, camera, VOIP/SIP phone and share my 3G internet over wifi... all at the same time. my phones from 2007.

sure, my battery life goes to about 8 hours when i do that... but changing to an apple phone that has three times the battery life doesnt mean squat when it loses all the FEATURES.

That's because we're part of the small consumer base that demands more from our hardware. 10 out of 10 people will tell you they're completely satisfied with their Apple products, otherwise the company would have long been out of business. I honestly see nothing wrong with Apple products, however, I do admit I have never purchased one myself.

Who are you and I (speaking to the general community base on this forum) to hate on Apple and it's users? If the customers are happy and the company is doing well, whatever!

I hate HP & Sony because of crap customer support/products I've purchased. How many Apple haters have ever used an Apple product and genuinely did not like it?
 
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So Apple doesn't let you do something you should be able to do and it makes the news?

Big surprise.
 

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So Apple doesn't let you do something you should be able to do and it makes the news?

Big surprise.

if we DONT make it news, then more and more people get sucked into buying apple products thinking they're awesome.


you might say its their own fault, but some of us dont like seeing friends and relatives get ripped off buying overpriced crap - so we make sure the word gets spread about this stuff.
 

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Who are you and I (speaking to the general community base on this forum) to hate on Apple and it's users? If the customers are happy and the company is doing well, whatever!

I hate HP & Sony because of crap customer support/products I've purchased. How many Apple haters have ever used an Apple product and genuinely did not like it?

In my case, i have a lot of experience dealing with apple customers. almost all of them have used apple exclusively, or compare expensive apple products to other products at 1/3 the price or less.

EG, $500 dell vs $3000 mac.


these same people often come to me for help fixing their apple problems (lately, macbooks and ipods - no iphone users so far) and i always do ask them: why did you choose apple, do you think it was worth it?

they then either list marketing spiel or a list of 'features' they've been told are apple exclusive. "oh i can download music" "it plays music AND movies" or "its faster than a PC"


quite often i let them use my stuff (which is high end, but actually similar cost to the apple products a lot of the time) and maybe 2 out of 3 end up converting away from apple.


my dislike of apple products is not bias - its experience.


For a good example with this screw bullshit: if your laptops out of warranty and the hard drive dies, what do mac users do? they have to buy a new laptop. PC users can (usually) replace the hard drive with just one or two screws, saving a ton of money in the process.
 
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i think not all apple product was bad, there are actually some good product from them like apple cinema display (although i don't like the recent model, because of glossy screen)

but anything else is meh, apple is just like sonny
 

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Battery life, surprisingly isn't that far off. In real world use the Macbook Pro 15" gets just under 3 hours. The HP is getting just over 2 hours, there is about a 45 Minute difference. But for the $1300, go buy a second battery for the HP and be happy.:roll:

Weight wise the HP is actually 0.1# lighter than the Macboo Pro. Though we couldn't tell the difference.

I will give it to you that the Macbook has a slightly higher resolution@ 1440x900 vs. the HPs 1366x768. But again, we are talking a $1300 price difference. I just don't see that being reasonable.

We had both laptops sitting side by side, and we just couldn't figure out why the Macbook Pro was $1300 more. Yes it had a gimmicky all aluminum case, but the HP had metal(not sure what type) on the LCD lid and palm rest, only the bottom was plastic, which IMO is more than sturdy enough.

And the memory issue on the Iphone4 is far from boring, if hardware is your concern. You are just dismissing it because it is a huge flaw. When I could get a 32GB DroidX for the price of the 16GB Iphone4, that is a huge thing. Other than that, there isn't much else between the two hardware wise. The DroidX has a bigger screen, but the Ipone4's display is higher resolution. The DroidX also has an FM Tuner, and Flash support. All this isn't me saying the Iphone4 is bad though, it is a great phone.

I'm not saying this to bash them, I'm just saying it. If they don't like, then they can lower their prices to be more inline with what they sell and not overprice their products. The products are actually good, just overpriced. But this using propriatary screws to prevent users from accessing hardware they own is total BS.

Then why aren't you bitching at Nintendo for doing this to their consoles?
 

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For a good example with this screw bullshit: if your laptops out of warranty and the hard drive dies, what do mac users do? they have to buy a new laptop.

Or take it to an Apple store, because "they are the only ones that can work on Apples", and pay $600 for a replacement hard drive plus labor, but it is better than the alternative of buying brand new equivalant Apple product.:laugh:

Then why aren't you bitching at Nintendo for doing this to their consoles?

Because there hasn't been anything worth openning a Nintendo console for in generations. It isn't like there are basic common upgrades that the average user would want to and could do with a nintendo console that they are blocking like Apple is doing.
 
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