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i've read the thread with older versions of the hack, and they were far more complex - modding the drivers. sounds like anton has made progress.

He had to, Nvidia has already implemented countermeasures against the hack the fifth time... also, after i had shot 2 OSes,due to the complex implementation process, i whined so much in the SLI Hack thread, that he made it a one click updater... which about anyone can use;)

its Anatoly btw, he is a russian :)
 
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meh, not sure there's anything new here, but I'll post it anyway. Benchmarks are at the end but all the good stuff is blocked out.

 
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meh, not sure there's anything new here, but I'll post it anyway. Benchmarks are at the end but all the good stuff is blocked out.


I don't see what you're talking about. :confused:
 
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I don't see what you're talking about. :confused:

Well he did say that all the good stuff is blocked out :laugh:

On a more serious note, I don't see anything either.
 
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Well he did say that all the good stuff is blocked out :laugh:

On a more serious note, I don't see anything either.

Somewhere in that white square lies the secret. We must decode it.
 
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meh, not sure there's anything new here, but I'll post it anyway. Benchmarks are at the end but all the good stuff is blocked out.


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Now I'm dissapointed. I don't trust this guy at all. It was nice seeing those boards though.

Ya, doing the maths it seems that Bulldozer actually has a High IPC and a low clock...


2.4-3.0 GHz like the Phenom 1s

Phenom I(4C) to K15(4C) = exactly 50% increase in performance
1 to 1.5

and 8C is
1 to 3

Stumbled on some old footnotes

1 AMD CMT core can do(2m = 8t)(4m = 16t)
2x Integer(1 execution core can do this)
or
2x Floating Point(1 execution core can do this)

1 Nehalem core can do
1+1x Integer
or
1+1x Floating Point

1 SB Core can do(4 core = 8 threads)
1+1 x Integer
or
1+1 x Floating Point

To make it easier to understand

AMD BD:
1 module can assign
2 Integer to 1 core(2 Nehalem Threads/ somewhat) while 2 Floating Point to 1 core(2 Nehalem threads/ somewhat)

Intel Nehalem:
1 core can assign
1 Integer to 1 thread while 1 Floating Point to 1 thread

Sandy bridge is tricky, I can't find any footnotes comparing to it
I can only assume that it is like AMD BD:
1 core can assign
1 Integer to 1 thread while 1 Floating Point to 1 thread

Bulldozer = Sandy Bridge in IPC

But actual synthetic core performance is weird

Bulldozer 8C @ 2.6GHz is equal to Sandy Bridge 8T @ 3.4GHz
800MHz difference

Leading me to believe Sandy Bridge is just a faster Nehalem/ somewhat
 
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If the video is legit, BD will suck. Voltage is 1.4 to 1.5v, the tdp is almost 190W and the memory tests just suck compared to SB.
 
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If the video is legit, BD will suck. Voltage is 1.4 to 1.5v, the tdp is almost 190W and the memory tests just suck compared to SB.
The tested chip is a ES.
An ES chip will use higher voltage,is buggy thus doesn't run as well as it should, and have a higher TDP than the final product released to the consumer.
 
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If the video is legit, BD will suck. Voltage is 1.4 to 1.5v, the tdp is almost 190W and the memory tests just suck compared to SB.

You mean, Bulldozer is going to be streets ahead of everything else that AMD have ever put out, but not quite as good as Intel's current high end/future offerings.

Honestly I don't see how Bulldozer is going to suck just because it's not going to be the best. That equation does not compute with me. It's still going to be a very powerful chip that will be over kill for MANY MANY MANY systems.
 
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I certainly hope so...
 
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You mean, Bulldozer is going to be streets ahead of everything else that AMD have ever put out, but not quite as good as Intel's current high end/future offerings.

Honestly I don't see how Bulldozer is going to suck just because it's not going to be the best. That equation does not compute with me. It's still going to be a very powerful chip that will be over kill for MANY MANY MANY systems.

The point he was getting at is people who are buying a $300 CPU expect it to at least be on par with the competition's offering around the same price range. Sure, it would be great for many applications, but if that were the case why not save money and just go for a last-gen option?
 
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You mean, Bulldozer is going to be streets ahead of everything else that AMD have ever put out, but not quite as good as Intel's current high end/future offerings.

Honestly I don't see how Bulldozer is going to suck just because it's not going to be the best. That equation does not compute with me. It's still going to be a very powerful chip that will be over kill for MANY MANY MANY systems.
I agree,while BD might not blow SB away,it will be a lot faster than anything AMD has out today. AMD's goal isn't to be the best,but to provide a competitive product that will satisfy most users needs. However,for $300 it should at least be on par with a 2500K,if not,users will still buy from Intel.
 
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The point he was getting at is people who are buying a $300 CPU expect it to at least be on par with the competition's offering around the same price range. Sure, it would be great for many applications, but if that were the case why not save money and just go for a last-gen option?

I agree,while BD might not blow SB away,it will be a lot faster than anything AMD has out today. AMD's goal isn't to be the best,but to provide a competitive product that will satisfy most users needs. However,for $300 it should at least be on par with a 2500K,if not,users will still buy from Intel.

Then take that up with the sales team. Not the chip itself. Instead of saying, omg this chip is going to suck, say hmm AMD seem to be charging too much.
 
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I am not saying BD will suck becouse it will not be the most powerfull, but becouse if the video is legit, it will use 2x the power of SB and be inferior or on par with SB. For the same 32nm and the same price, that is just unacceptable!
 
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If the video is legit, BD will suck. Voltage is 1.4 to 1.5v, the tdp is almost 190W and the memory tests just suck compared to SB.

I am not saying BD will suck becouse it will not be the most powerfull, but becouse if the video is legit, it will use 2x the power of SB and be inferior or on par with SB. For the same 32nm and the same price, that is just unacceptable!

How do you know how much power does it consume :confused: the 186W in CPU-Z is a bug, HWiNFO says ~125W TDP (and AFAIK BD will be able to shut down a whole module if it doesn't use + it's on 32nm). The voltage doesn't say anything (don't compare it to Intel).

And don't forget, you are paying for 8 cores (and there will be 4 and 6 cores versions, which will be cheaper)
 
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The voltage doesn't say anything (don't compare it to Intel).

Voltage x amperage = wattage so unless BD draws minimal amounts of current, it will consume heaps of energy!

And the fact you state you pay for 8 cores, only makes it suck even more, becouse it takes 8 AMD cores(even though they are not real cores) to compete with 4 Intel cores + HT.
 
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Voltage x amperage = wattage so unless BD draws minimal amounts of current, it will consume heaps of energy!

And the fact you state you pay for 8 cores, only makes it suck even more, becouse it takes 8 AMD cores(even though they are not real cores) to compete with 4 Intel cores + HT.

Using what as evidence?

A chip that might not even be a real BD, some benchmarks that could be false, hell, the chip itself might be a very early development chip, like a Beta chip or something... a work in progress?

Stop dismissing the chip before anything official comes out, and until it actually gets released so the public can bench and compare without being biased.

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Voltage x amperage = wattage so unless BD draws minimal amounts of current, it will consume heaps of energy!

And the fact you state you pay for 8 cores, only makes it suck even more, becouse it takes 8 AMD cores(even though they are not real cores) to compete with 4 Intel cores + HT.

I know how to get wattage, and we still don't know the current. And don't forget AMD is using SOI which can take more voltage than bulk. And of course it will consume more power when at 100%, it's 8 cores.

If you ask me SB will be torn appart in multithread (and that's where you need the cores), singlethread it maybe comes close.

You also forgot I mentioned 4 and 6 core versions which I believe will be priced competitively against Intel's lineup .
 
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Aren't you guys confusing current drawn and thermal dissipation? They are different... If you are comparing an estimate of BD's current draw to SB's TDP, of course you will have a huge disparity. They aren't the same thing at all. Although both are measured in watts.
 
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Also, the chip is overclocked...

If I recall correctly, overclocking increases current draw...
 
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Aren't you guys confusing current drawn and thermal dissipation? They are different... If you are comparing an estimate of BD's current draw to SB's TDP, of course you will have a huge disparity. They aren't the same thing at all. Although both are measured in watts.

That's why I used bold text for TDP.

And like you said TDP isn't very accurate for measuring power consumption. And also, Intel's TDP is not the same as AMD's TDP, AFAIK.

ACP should be more accurate in representing the power usage of the chip, but so far I only saw that in the HP Proliant server specification
 
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That's why I used bold text for TDP.

And like you said TDP isn't very accurate for measuring power consumption. And also, Intel's TDP is not the same as AMD's TDP, AFAIK.

ACP should be more accurate in representing the power usage of the chip, but so far I only saw that in the HP Proliant server specification

Yeah I can't remember which one uses what, but one is "Thermal Design Power" and one is "Typical Dissipated Power" or somesuch? Bleh, I knew this stuff years ago, now it's all a bunch of fuzz... Can someone clarify?
 
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Using what as evidence?

A chip that might not even be a real BD, some benchmarks that could be false, hell, the chip itself might be a very early development chip, like a Beta chip or something... a work in progress?

Stop dismissing the chip before anything official comes out, and until it actually gets released so the public can bench and compare without being biased.

:shadedshu

What is wrong with you? Cant you read? I said IF the video is legit!!! Oh and believe me, there is a reason why the BD line got delayed. The frequency of the produced chips was too low to compete with current intel offerings, so AMD is preparing a new stepping!
Mark my words, if BD doesnt beat SB, AMD is in truble.

I am not trying to diss the chip, i was a AMD supporter once(socket 939), but for 2 gens now, they just cant find the right path.IMHO
 
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