Next gen consoles will ALL use AMD GPU

[twilyth]

This is big news for AMD if it's accurate. Nintendo, Sony and Xbox will all use AMD GPU's in their next gen consoles.

The Big GPU News

What looks to be a "done deal" at this point is that AMD will be the GPU choice on all three next generation consoles. Yes, all the big guns in the console world, Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony, are looking very much to be part of Team AMD for GPU. That is correct, NVIDIA, "NO SOUP FOR YOU!" But NVIDIA already knew this, now you do too.

There are going to be game spaces that NVIDIA does succeed in beyond add in cards and that will likely be in the handheld device realm but we do not see much NVIDIA green under our TV sets. NVIDIA was planning to have very much underwritten its GPU business with Tegra and Tegra 2 revenues by now, but that is moving much slower than the upper brass at NVIDIA wishes. Tegra 2 penetration has been sluggish to say the least.

 

[Frick]

Oh oh oh my oh my. How much would that deal be worth to AMD? Not that it matters really, its still good news.

 

[HossHuge]

I wonder if they showed Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony this chart as a part of their sales pitch? I'm guessing it would really help.

 

[erixx]

Consoles just have to be and stay crapware. I hardly imagine the Catalyst-hot-fix nightmare all the households will have.....

 

[Batou1986]

Now we will see all the consoles fail because there will be no epeen fights over who's got the better gfx it will be all up to the developer.

Kinda how PS3 has the best gfx if you compare PGR3 to GT5 but compare GT5 to Forza 3 or Blur and there about the same what the xbox lacks in power they make up for in engine design.

 

[dir_d]

Consoles just have to be and stay crapware. I hardly imagine the Catalyst-hot-fix nightmare all the households will have.....

You do realize that AMD has been in the top Consoles for some time now and their software has nothing to do with their hardware for consoles.

Now we will see all the consoles fail because there will be no epeen fights over who's got the better gfx it will be all up to the developer.

Kinda how PS3 has the best gfx if you compare PGR3 to GT5 but compare GT5 to Forza 3 or Blur and there about the same what the xbox lacks in power they make up for in engine design.

The article said they will all be running AMD GPU's, it did not say they would be running all of the SAME AMD GPU.

 

[Nesters]

Consoles just have to be and stay crapware. I hardly imagine the Catalyst-hot-fix nightmare all the households will have.....

You do realise that those "hot-fix" releases are more like an update rather than an actual bug/problem fix... right?

Don't judge things by its labels.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That's what NVIDIA gets for focusing on CUDA/Tesla. I think PS3 is the only one running on an NVIDIA GPU right now.

Sony is in a world of hurt (read: either really expensive hardware or software emulation which won't be easy of the PS3 architecture) in terms of backwards compatibility on PS4. That puts Xbox360 and Wii in a better position. Add to it the fact that PS4 is unlikely to debut a new hardware medium (where PS was CD, PS2 was DVD, and PS3 was BR), PS4 is lining up to be...not a failure, but not wildly successful either. Oh, can't forget it's going to attempt to clone Kinect--another strike. The only thing PS4 might have going for it is exclusive titles but that can be said of all consoles.

 

[antuk15]

That's what NVIDIA gets for focusing on CUDA/Tesla. I think PS3 is the only one running on an NVIDIA GPU right now.

Sony is in a world of hurt (read: either really expensive hardware or software emulation which won't be easy of the PS3 architecture) in terms of backwards compatibility on PS4. That puts Xbox360 and Wii in a better position. Add to it the fact that PS4 is unlikely to debut a new hardware medium (where PS was CD, PS2 was DVD, and PS3 was BR), PS4 is lining up to be...not a failure, but not wildly successful either. Oh, can't forget it's going to attempt to clone Kinect--another strike. The only thing PS4 might have going for it is exclusive titles but that can be said of all consoles.

PS3 Emulation will be easy, RSX is just a box standard Nvidia PC GPU with no special alterations. Porting RSX code over to PS4 will and should be a piece of cake.

Getting Cell code to run will be the tricky part, Unless Sony use one of the newer generations of Cell for PS4.

Personally I hate the consoles, They should all die.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

It's the Cell CPU that is going to be difficult to emulate. Most likely they'll have to use AMD Streams to off-load the SPE work to the GPU.

The only tricky parts with RSX is memory handling because it shared RAM with the Cell CPU and connected via Cell IO bus. That would be very difficult to implement if they went with hardware emulation without doing like the PS3 had (a hardware PS2 processor onboard). Really, software emulation is the only option for PS3 support and that means they have to spend more on especially the CPU.

Any way you shake it, it is likely to be either very buggy with backwards compatibility or very expensive.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

this news will not be good for nvidia or intel as some or all may end up with APU's over cpu's, would be very good for the pc world as AMD have allways supported open standards so porting would become a doddle,

and this news if true would certainly explain a recent comment made by an ATI rep that in the future dev co's may go back to bare metal codeing to get the best out of gfx hardware,
good news for us pc gamers, just hope its true.

i do like nvidia and wish them no trouble fiscally, but i dont like their attitude to open standards or their apple like corporate strategy sometimes (physx is bollox),

how many games would have better physics if the code was unified into a std, something that might help the whole IT universe inc many areas not just games

 

[FordGT90Concept]

All three are using IBM CPUs (as the current gen consoles are too) so there's zero chance of all-in-one processors being used.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

All three are using IBM CPUs (as the current gen consoles are too) so there's zero chance of all-in-one processors being used.

rumoured to maybe use IBM cell processors, I read elsewhere the Xbox and possibly PS4 MAY (also a rumour) use an AMD APU that is as yet unseen

even this news is a rumour nothing more, and im not saying your wrong im saying we may both be

 

[TheMailMan78]

Now we will see all the consoles fail because there will be no epeen fights over who's got the better gfx it will be all up to the developer.

Kinda how PS3 has the best gfx if you compare PGR3 to GT5 but compare GT5 to Forza 3 or Blur and there about the same what the xbox lacks in power they make up for in engine design.

Since when did the PS3 have a better GPU? They are both damn near identical in power.

All three are using IBM CPUs (as the current gen consoles are too) so there's zero chance of all-in-one processors being used.

Oh? Why? Because they use IBM chips now they cant use an AMD APU in future? Why exactly when most games on the consoles are ported over to PC? A good APU would make the process even easier. Its not like they make the fucking games on an IBM PowerPC platform.

APU is the future.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

PS4 = IBM POWER7
Wii U = IBM "Power-based"

If PS4 or Xbox360 use an x86 CPU, you can kiss backwards compatibility goodbye. Microsoft learned that lesson when they went from Xbox to Xbox360. Sony isn't likely to make that mistake either. POWER processors are the easiest way forward for all of them. IBM does large-scale custom orders where Intel would rather just sell them an underclocked Core 2 procssor in volume. AMD would likely respond the same and they don't even own foundries anymore where Intel and IBM do.

 

[TheMailMan78]

PS4 = IBM POWER7
Wii U = IBM "Power-based"

If PS4 or Xbox360 use an x86 CPU, you can kiss backwards compatibility goodbye. Microsoft learned that lesson when they went from Xbox to Xbox360. Sony isn't likely to make that mistake either. POWER processors are the easiest way forward for all of them. IBM does large-scale custom orders where Intel would rather just sell them an underclocked Core 2 procssor in volume.

Any of the AMD APU's should be able to emulate any of the current platforms perfectly fine. Hell I can play Dolphin just fine on my laptop right now.

 

[antuk15]

It's the Cell CPU that is going to be difficult to emulate. Most likely they'll have to use AMD Streams to off-load the SPE work to the GPU.

The only tricky parts with RSX is memory handling because it shared RAM with the Cell CPU and connected via Cell IO bus. That would be very difficult to implement if they went with hardware emulation without doing like the PS3 had (a hardware PS2 processor onboard). Really, software emulation is the only option for PS3 support and that means they have to spend more on especially the CPU.

Any way you shake it, it is likely to be either very buggy with backwards compatibility or very expensive.

No it wouldn't, RSX stores things in local RAM because it doesn't have enough VRAM to keep it all in local memory.

I expect PS4's GPU to have more then enough VRAM to keep everything in it's local memory pool, So they would have enough VRAM in PS4 just to dump all of RSX's data in there.

And PS4 might offer the same memory configuation anyway.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Since when did the PS3 have a better GPU? They are both damn near identical in power.

true, they are both poo, the ps3 is saved from being xbox shit by the (ive heard only 5of the 6 work mind)cell processors running gfx assisting threads afaik

QUOTE=FordGT90Concept;2335584]PS4 = IBM POWER7
Wii U = IBM "Power-based"

If PS4 or Xbox360 use an x86 CPU, you can kiss backwards compatibility goodbye. Microsoft learned that lesson when they went from Xbox to Xbox360. Sony isn't likely to make that mistake either. POWER processors are the easiest way forward for all of them. IBM does large-scale custom orders where Intel would rather just sell them an underclocked Core 2 procssor in volume. AMD would likely respond the same and they don't even own foundries anymore where Intel and IBM do.[/quote]

thats balls AMD are achip ARCHtecture design house, they would be perfectly happy to do a special for each and any foundry will make what their god damn told given a multi million chip order

 

[antuk15]

Since when did the PS3 have a better GPU? They are both damn near identical in power.



Oh? Why? Because they use IBM chips now they cant use an AMD APU in future? Why exactly when most games on the consoles are ported over to PC? A good APU would make the process even easier. Its not like they make the fucking games on an IBM PowerPC platform.

APU is the future.

They aint going to go with an APU just to make ports easier :shadedshu

They're going to with whatever gives the best power to price ratio, They don't do things to make PC life easier, Why would they? They would be crippling there own platform for the sake of competitive one

true, they are both poo, the ps3 is saved from being xbox shit by the (ive heard only 5of the 6 work mind)cell processors running gfx assisting threads afaik

RSX is slightly faster then Xenos at shader work but Xenos completely slaps RSX in the triangle department which is why most developers use Cell for culling.

Cell inside PS3 has 7 fully open SPU's, The 7th is part shared with the OS and the other 6 are fully availavle to what ever delvelopers want to use them for.

 

[TheMailMan78]

All I know is this generation may still be IBM but soon they will all have to go APU. It will become way to expensive not to. Dedicated GPU's and uber powerful desktops are going to be dinosaurs in 15 years. Production will flip and APU will me the only logical path.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Any of the AMD APU's should be able to emulate any of the current platforms perfectly fine. Hell I can play Dolphin just fine on my laptop right now.

The processor in the Wii is a piddly 700 MHz single-core and your computer is? 2+ GHz and more than one core. You got a lot of processing headroom where consoles don't. Not to mention, over 4 years of work on the emulator and not all titles play flawless.

This is what happened when Microsoft changed from Intel to IBM. They've been trying to patch it ever since.

x86 and POWER don't play together nicely.

All I know is this generation may still be IBM but soon they will all have to go APU. It will become way to expensive not to. Dedicated GPU's and uber powerful desktops are going to be dinosaurs in 15 years. Production will flip and APU will me the only logical path.

I think more likely, IBM and AMD would pair up to design a POWER + Radeon all-in-one processor on a chip or at least an MCM. Hell, an MCM is possible in the upcoming generation but, considering they are usually passively cooled, they may still keep them separate. It's easier to fight two relatively cool hot spots than one really hot hotspot.

 

[TheMailMan78]

The processor in the Wii is a piddly 700 MHz single-core and your computer is? 2+ GHz and more than one core. You got a lot of processing headroom where consoles don't. Not to mention, over 4 years of work on the emulator and not all titles play flawless.

This is what happened when Microsoft changed from Intel to IBM. They've been trying to patch it ever since.

x86 and POWER don't play together nicely.

Yeah because its a little open source project. If Nintendo backed it then it would be fine.

They aint going to go with an APU just to make ports easier :shadedshu

They're going to with whatever gives the best power to price ratio, They don't do things to make PC life easier, Why would they? They would be crippling there own platform for the sake of competitive one

Do you think they make those games on a console? Maybe in the dashboard there is a "game maker" app?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

yet Apple went from IBM to intel just recently

fair dos ive no ps3 thought it was 6 total one disabled but same shit diff no, 8 with one disabled wtf

 

[TheMailMan78]

I think more likely, IBM and AMD would pair up to design a POWER + Radeon all-in-one processor on a chip or at least an MCM. Hell, an MCM is possible in the upcoming generation but, considering they are usually passively cooled, they may still keep them separate. It's easier to fight two relatively cool hot spots than one really hot hotspot.

How hot do you think an APU designed strictly for a console is gonna be? If they can be cooled in a laptop then a console is cake.

 

[antuk15]

Do you think they make those games on a console? Maybe in the dashboard there is a "game maker" app?

You meen like how they code Cell on PC? A CPU that has an architecture thats fuck all like anything on PC, Seriously get a clue.

They're not going to pick hardware to make porting easier to other machines.