Why BD failed? AMD Ex-Employee speaks out!

[Benetanegia]

You mean from the Pentium 3. Don't know why Intel released the crapy Pentium 4 when the Pentium 3 was 100x much better. Then Intel finally scrapped the P4, took the P3 and with innovation created the Conroe, and now we have the i7's

Oh, because Netburst architecture was going to hit 10 Ghz, didn't you know that? Intel engineers knew that (or the marketing department that ruled the company back then anyway), but those f***ing spoiled children never really went past 3.5 Ghz without overheating.

As I see it the same happened with BD. There were probably various prototypes or paths they could follow for the next architecture, and the conversation was like:

Enginner: Well we have this one, really high IPC and very efficient with a small cache, that can pwn Stars architecture even at 1 Ghz but it will not go much higher than 3 Ghz, ever OR we have this one, a speed demon, massive cache sizes and the opportunity to claim twice as many cores, by slightly bending the truth...
Management: Are you kidding me? 8 cores? 16 MB cache? 4 Ghz++? That's going to look so leet on the white papers and on the back of the box (drooling)
E: But there's some drawbacks...
M: (drooling)
E: Sir, there's some drawbacks we need to discuss...
E: no... we lost him... no one's there anymore
M:

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

seems to be a new trend of own spec hiding whilst trolling goin on.

whats that about, get over your bias people or you may get what you wish one cpu co from the ashes of many, and Revolutionary leaps like the early intel years lmao 33Mhz improvement year on year all people are doing with their AMD hateing is sullying the opinions of no nowts who look at this thread and turn to intel when all theyd have done is word processing and a bit of COD on their pc anyways hence dearer chill time for all, plus its effin borein old news thats turned round a bit anyways.

as any educated person would know it would, updates / bioses / drivers ahem they all get better

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I am one of the biggest AMD fanboys here, but I will not sugarcoat this. They fucked up big with BD. I wanted a reasonable upgrade to Phenom II and I didn't get close to that.

I don't see the architecture as a total loss and I think Piledriver could turn out ok, but everyone involved with releasing this beta to the public should be fired.

I won't be running to Intel until after IB and PD are both released, but if they fuck up PD as bad as BD, I'm out. There is no sense in supporting a company that has no interest in catering to the market that I'm a part of. Comic books and pretty slides don't make a good chip.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

thats your opinion and your entitled , mine is that if you have the best of last gen, the next gen is normally going to net you 20-30% better performance and BD does in multithreaded apps, do this imho, also single threaded matters not to me whilst i watch telly game and download on this pc all the time and all at once, the speed gpuz runs in the background is ok as is.

fair enough it isnt for you but if i were you id have not deluded myself that much in the first place thats why i allways skip gens, so i do get double the performance with a purchase youd be wise to do similar

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I don't think I really deluded myself at all by expecting some increase in game performance instead of a decrease, but what do I know. Obviously not much, I bought in to the bullshit that AMD wouldn't release something worse than they already had.

I still have hope for their future, but somebody in charge over there needs to pull their head out of their ass.

 

[Steevo]

I use almost all AMD product, but after they years of waiting to see this thing flop this hard. Its too much to bear, I have a 24MBps camcorder that cripples my system and are they really going to expect me to buy another "Stream" lie, or "real core" piece of crap?


Their own advertisements and slides show how much better it was going to be, well if they were fucking not lazy, and got off their asses to write the damn software to make good on their promises I woudn't have to care about mediocre CPU performance, I would be using my GPU instead, but its vaporware. So now, do I continue to suffer through with a two stage edit of high def video that takes between two and three times as long as to process as it does to shoot, or do I move ahead and get a new Intel, and all the beautiful RAM it can support without causing issues that AMD has had? Or do I suffer with another underperforming lie?


Love their GPU's, love their current lineup of CPU's, actually a X6 overclocked like a mother will come closer to Intel performance than a bulldozer. I have one showing up tomorrow. Only so next year I can buy a whole complete system again and go Intel if AMD doesn't get in the game.

 

[erixx]

Intel rules because they set the standards, comply with'em, and deliver, also thanks to their chipsets not to forget. I never saw an alternative that delivered 100% (i mean every advertised functionality): VIA, AMD, nForce... never going to repeat.

If you look at ROI and hasslefree functioning, go Intel, period. No freak 'review' with fancy benchmarks (the contrary to real world) will change that.

 

[3volvedcombat]

Don't Worry,

They Brought the Papermaster(Mark Papermaster) over to get things straitened out!!!

(Still using SoC......)

Don't Worry is the best I can say...

 

[nt300]

We need to see Piledriver in action. If AMD needs Socket FM2 to make things right, then I may skip AM3+, but it depends on the price of the whole AM3+ platform.
I will never go Intel, no way I will buy into market manipulation and bullying.

 

[erixx]

I always felt manipulated by AMD, never getting a finished and stable product, this includes ATI. Sorry man.

Ah, bullied? You should go to the court and file them, then.

 

[Steevo]

Intel rules because they set the standards, comply with'em, and deliver, also thanks to their chipsets not to forget. I never saw an alternative that delivered 100% (i mean every advertised functionality): VIA, AMD, nForce... never going to repeat.

If you look at ROI and hasslefree functioning, go Intel, period. No freak 'review' with fancy benchmarks (the contrary to real world) will change that.

Actually they don't. Intel has had to lease X64 from AMD, GPU technology to make their chipsets not suck, and SSE instructions. AMD gets some of the same in return.

ROI of a X6 1100 rapes Intel today, as it did yesterday, and will still for another few months at least, and AMD makes the beautiful APU's. Actually I have a brand new laptop with on in it right here next to me.

AMD needs to either focus on what they are proving to be good at and make money at that, or get ready to take losses that might sink them.

 

[erixx]

I mean... I don't want to loose time when my pc just doesn't enter suspension correctly, or any other energy state, or can't use certain PCI slots with certain hardware due to whatever. I don't want to have to switch drivers in order to play a game. etc. That is ROI for me. Not the adquisition price. 100 euros or dollars are so easily lost during a night of getting your pc sorted.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I mean... I don't want to loose time when my pc just doesn't enter suspension correctly, or any other energy state, or can't use certain PCI slots with certain hardware due to whatever. I don't want to have to switch drivers in order to play a game. etc. That is ROI for me. Not the adquisition price. 100 euros or dollars are so easily lost during a night of getting your pc sorted.

If you have those issues you are most definitely doing it wrong. Anyway, Who's the princess peach in your sig? Again.

 

[Super XP]

Actually they don't. Intel has had to lease X64 from AMD, GPU technology to make their chipsets not suck, and SSE instructions. AMD gets some of the same in return.

ROI of a X6 1100 rapes Intel today, as it did yesterday, and will still for another few months at least, and AMD makes the beautiful APU's. Actually I have a brand new laptop with on in it right here next to me.

AMD needs to either focus on what they are proving to be good at and make money at that, or get ready to take losses that might sink them.

In the last 5 years AMD had a lot of upper management changes. This may be the reason why they went this route. To think AMD fired the guys that created the Athlon and Athlon 64

Bulldozer II's new upcoming name.
AMD Turbo Core 3 Athlon 64 FX 9500+

 

[D4S4]

There comes a point in time where you just have to call a turd a turd, and no amount of polishing will make it a gold nugget.

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html

just had to post that

 

[Steevo]

I mean... I don't want to loose time when my pc just doesn't enter suspension correctly, or any other energy state, or can't use certain PCI slots with certain hardware due to whatever. I don't want to have to switch drivers in order to play a game. etc. That is ROI for me. Not the adquisition price. 100 euros or dollars are so easily lost during a night of getting your pc sorted.

ROI stands for Return On Investment. I have never had a issue with a computer entering suspension correctly other than when a driver causes it. And the only drivers that I have found are Sabrient, Socket IO, and cheap shit hardware drivers like cheap USB keypads, etc...

None of that has anything to do with the CPU, GPU, or other mainstream hardware.

In the last 5 years AMD had a lot of upper management changes. This may be the reason why they went this route. To think AMD fired the guys that created the Athlon and Athlon 64

Bulldozer II's new upcoming name.
AMD Turbo Core 3 Athlon 64 FX 9500+

Athlon 64 with all the new memory interfaces, microcode update, the die shrinks, HT links.....basicly everything AMD should have learned so far would have the possibility of running much higher IPC, and much faster cores.

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html

just had to post that

I saw that too. LOL, its still not something I would wear around.......

 

[erocker]

Looks like this chip is flawed in other ways. I've experienced this BSOD myself. http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/amd-bulldozer-can-it-get-even-worse/

 

[Steevo]

Looks like this chip is flawed in other ways. I've experienced this BSOD myself. http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/amd-bulldozer-can-it-get-even-worse/

My 9850 when overclocked too high gave me that error also.

 

[erocker]

My 9850 when overclocked too high gave me that error also.

Nice chip, mine does it at stock from time to time.

 

[Steevo]

My 9850 overclocked like shit, so might as well say stock.

I just want a chip that overclocked like the two C2D's I built a few years ago for work. 2.4Ghz to 3.4Ghz with no voltage increase, Oh, you want another 600Mhz, how about we trade for a extra .2 vcore, then its fine.

 

[seronx]

Nice chip, mine does it at stock from time to time.

The conclusions from some people I know is...

No more 3dnow!

AuthenticAMD tags biting back

 

[Horrux]

You mean from the Pentium 3. Don't know why Intel released the crapy Pentium 4 when the Pentium 3 was 100x much better. Then Intel finally scrapped the P4, took the P3 and with innovation created the Conroe, and now we have the i7's

Yeah but the P3 core was itself based on the Pentium Pro core, with no major changes, only re-tweaking.

 

[Horrux]

We need to see Piledriver in action. If AMD needs Socket FM2 to make things right, then I may skip AM3+, but it depends on the price of the whole AM3+ platform.
I will never go Intel, no way I will buy into market manipulation and bullying.

That's exactly how I feel. See my sig. Intel is in its dominant position largely because of the many underhanded AND ILLEGAL tactics it used against AMD.

The Intel fanbois are kind of people as those who would applaud a racing team who would buy the mechanics from the other teams to sabotage the cars. After a number of seasons, they don't need to buy the mechanics anymore, given that the "winning" team has all the money and has superior cars. Yay. Victory. Ha.

 

[CDdude55]

Intel is in its dominant position largely because of the many underhanded AND ILLEGAL tactics it used against AMD.

Or because they make better performing CPU's that are used in a lot more machines.

If i buy an Intel chip, it's because of performance, not what the company does against the competition.

 

[scooper22]

Or because they make better performing CPU's that are used in a lot more machines.

If i buy an Intel chip, it's because of performance, not what the company does against the competition.

The performance is because they brake the others.
So this is not an "Intel is better so they are top" but an "Intel made the others worse so they remain top". Practice till at *least* 2009, meager two years ago.
Read it up e.g. here.
So the pure processor power can't be compared because the software running on them is tampered with to favorize one of the competitors.