New gaming computer - need some input!

[Andynor91]

I have blown up a ref 570 with really light use, I can attest to this - they overclock like ass if you dont want to break them. Go for the 6950's/6970's or straight for the 580(s). a 580 will OC like a monster.

MSI and GIGABYTE brands with custom coolers are non-reference. You can also get the EVGA HD series, although they are a bit meh.

I'm reading up on so many reviews now, but what would you go for if your goal was the best fps in bf3 at 1920x1200 res?

 

[Damn_Smooth]

The future is core heavy. If you don't realize that, there's something wrong. Now begone troll. I don't hit women and I don't argue with kids. I broke that rule once for you today, it's not happening again.

 

[stargazer7]

^ you don't buy parts for "future". you buy them for "present". you're an idiot. like i said, run along.

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http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-gtx470-1-28gb-n470gtx-m2d12-videokartya-55388

two for SLI then OC them as far as they go. they'll eat up anything in that range. a 470 can deliver 480 level of performance at lower thermals once oc'ed over 800 core

 

[Damn_Smooth]

^ you don't buy parts for "future". you buy them for "present". you're an idiot. like i said, move along.

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http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-gtx470-1-28gb-n470gtx-m2d12-videokartya-55388

two for SLI then OC them as far as they go. they'll eat up anything in that range. a 470 can deliver 480 level of performance at lower thermals once oc'ed over 800 core

Again, your lack of reading comprehension shines bright. The OP specifically said that he wants to future proof. Learn to read junior.

 

[stargazer7]

Again, your lack of reading comprehension shines bright. The OP specifically said that he wants to future proof. Learn to read junior.

you aren't changing anything here. games barely started to get multi threaded with most of them still getting released on old Unreal 3 engine and so on you have little to nothing to gain over a quad core. you'll be throwing away your money. if you can't currently see this, i shouldnt even bother. experience tought me its a waste of time to discuss with people like you.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

you aren't changing anything here. games barely started to get multi threaded with most of them still getting released on old Unreal 3 engine and so on you have little to nothing to gain over a quad core. you'll be throwing away your money. if you can't currently see this, i shouldnt even bother. experience tought me its a waste of time to discuss with people like you.

It is a waste of time, go away. The OP asked a question and I answered it for him correctly. This has nothing to do with your lack of maturity and foresight.

I'm not crapping up another thread with you. This conversation is over.

 

[phanbuey]

Best FPS, hands down, would be a 2600K OC'ed (since that engine actually is, in some instances CPU limited) and a pair of OC'd 580's. If you got that kind of cash, and you really want your setup to last a while without touching it again, 580's and 2600K.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3784/msi_geforce_gtx_580_1536_mb_in_sli_overclocked/index.html

Otherwise a pair of OC'ed 6970's/6950's and a 2500K will serve you 80% as well as the other setup but you witll save a few $$. 470 is good bang/buck but they can get damn loud during gaming. Like sitting next to a hairdryer.

If money is not a question, go for the best.

If ditching the 2600K for a 2500K means you get more cash to spend on videocards, then do that. The single most important component is the videocards, everything else can get cut with minimum benefits.

So in order of videogame awesomeness and price:

A: Balls to the wall - 2600K, 8GBs of fast ram, 580's in sli. $$$$$

B: Videogame monster - 2500K OC'ed, 8GB of the cheapest 1600Mhz low voltage ram you can find, cheap SLI mobo, and 580's in sli. $$$

C: Performance/$ - 2500K OC'ed, 8GB of okish ram, and 6950's (unlockable) in CFX. $

 

[stargazer7]

no, it's not. you're wrong and are changing subject to immaturity to claim your rightfulness. read the THG link, SB-e is a waste for games period. you provided him bad info that included a single test with no backing. the 2500k IS the best chip of choice acknowledged by many for its good balance. and will keep on to be.

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470s arent that loud at all. at %70 somewhat hearable in a case. there're far worse out there. 470s are standable.

 

[Damn_Smooth]

no, it's not. you're wrong and are changing subject to immaturity to claim your rightfulness. read the THG link, SB-e is a waste for games period. you provided him bad info that included a single test with no backing. the 2500k IS the best chip of choice acknowledged by many for its good balance. and will keep on to be. idiot.

Battlefield 3 is the start. If you don't have the mental capacity to see that you should quit commenting. Your lack of maturity and intelligence is not a change of subject. It's a distraction to me having a reasonable conversation with those who are capable of doing so. Now let the grown ups talk and go live in your fantasy land where Battlefield 3 will be the first and last game to utilize multiple threads.

 

[Andynor91]

I sat together a list of the cheapest versions for the available cards below and converted it to $ to see if someone can give some input. It's in random order.


2x EVGA GTX 560 1GB GDDR5 Ti/Zotac ZT-50304 GTX560 Ti 1GB DDR5 OC - 624$ http://www.pcx.hu/termek/zotac-gtx560-1gb-ddr5-zt-50304-10m-ti-oc-videokartya-77424
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/evga-gtx-560-ti-1gb-gddr5-01g-p3-1561-kr-videokartya-72042

2x VTX3D 2GBD5-6950 2GB DDR5 2DH - 700$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/vtx3d-6950-2gb-ddr5-2gbd5-2dh-videokartya-74835

2x MSI N570GTX 1.28 GB DDR5 Video Card TWIN II FROZR - 824$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-n570gtx-1-28-gb-ddr5-twin-frozr-ii-videokartya-77650

1x Leadtek GTX580 1536MB GDDR5 - 592$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/leadtek-gtx580-1536mb-ddr5-videokartya-71447

1x Sapphire HD6990 4GB GDDR5 -918$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/sapphire-hd6990-4gb-gddr5-21193-00-40g-videokartya-73140

1x Asus GTX590 3GB DDR5 ENGTX590 - 947$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/asus-gtx590-3gb-ddr5-engtx590-3dis-3gd5-videokartya-73184

So the most bang for buck when it comes to BF3 at 1900x1200 resolution? I mean, I'm willing to dish out 900$~ if it's actually worth it.

 

[phanbuey]

no, it's not. you're wrong and are changing subject to immaturity to claim your rightfulness. read the THG link, SB-e is a waste for games period. you provided him bad info that included a single test with no backing. the 2500k IS the best chip of choice acknowledged by many for its good balance. and will keep on to be.

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470s arent that loud at all. at %70 somewhat hearable in a case. there're far worse out there. 470s are standable.

Keep in mind that he will OC, probably overvolt and they will be in SLI - so those fans will be at 90% on a regular basis, since those cards hit 90C in a regular vented case just by their lonesome at stock settings. They will be bearable, but they will definitely not be happy and you will know about it . but its personal preference in the end.

 

[phanbuey]

I sat together a list of the cheapest versions for the available cards below and converted it to $ to see if someone can give some input. It's in random order.


2x EVGA GTX 560 1GB GDDR5 Ti/Zotac ZT-50304 GTX560 Ti 1GB DDR5 OC - 624$ http://www.pcx.hu/termek/zotac-gtx560-1gb-ddr5-zt-50304-10m-ti-oc-videokartya-77424
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/evga-gtx-560-ti-1gb-gddr5-01g-p3-1561-kr-videokartya-72042

2x VTX3D 2GBD5-6950 2GB DDR5 2DH - 700$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/vtx3d-6950-2gb-ddr5-2gbd5-2dh-videokartya-74835

2x MSI N570GTX 1.28 GB DDR5 Video Card TWIN II FROZR - 824$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-n570gtx-1-28-gb-ddr5-twin-frozr-ii-videokartya-77650

1x Leadtek GTX580 1536MB GDDR5 - 592$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/leadtek-gtx580-1536mb-ddr5-videokartya-71447

1x Sapphire HD6990 4GB GDDR5 -918$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/sapphire-hd6990-4gb-gddr5-21193-00-40g-videokartya-73140

1x Asus GTX590 3GB DDR5 ENGTX590 - 947$
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/asus-gtx590-3gb-ddr5-engtx590-3dis-3gd5-videokartya-73184

So the most bang for buck when it comes to BF3 at 1900x1200 resolution? I mean, I'm willing to dish out 900$~ if it's actually worth it.

How much do you save by going from 2600K to 2500K?

 

[Andynor91]

How much do you save by going from 2600K to 2500K?

I save about 120$

 

[phanbuey]

I save about 120$

Those are custom 570's so i would pick them - 570 SLI and 2600K is my vote. Best performance if staying away from 580's.

 

[stargazer7]

^ Twin-Frozr 2s are ref cards with custom coolers. the TF3 PE is the one with upgraded VRM.

Battlefield 3 is the start. If you don't have the mental capacity to see that you should quit commenting. Your lack of maturity and intelligence is not a change of subject. It's a distraction to me having a reasonable conversation with those who are capable of doing so. Now let the grown ups talk and go live in your fantasy land where Battlefield 3 will be the first and last game to utilize multiple threads.

wrong. bc2 was, the Frostbite engine is extremely cpu dependant. its an exception to modern games. it doesnt even run smooth on a dual core. i dont care lack of what you think i have, but it IS a change of subject. why dont you help the op? you're just ignorant. i've discussed with so many like you it's not worth getting pissed off. 6 core chips as of these years ARE NOT worth it over quads. the 2500k is the best p/p cpu. FULL STOP. do i need to make it bigger?

Andy, i'd go with a pair of EVGA reference 560 Ti's. they'll beat a 580 and wouldnt make much noise

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/312?vs=305

 

[phanbuey]

http://www.pcx.hu/termek/gigabyte-gtx570-gv-n570oc-13i-v2-0-videokartya-90377

^^ what about 2 of those?

Off topic: but this is a steal:

http://www.pcx.hu/termek/leadtek-gtx480-1-536gb-videokartya-56945

They perform close to 570's but with a bit more ram... loud and hot, but cheap and fast

 

[Damn_Smooth]

wrong. bc2 was, the Frostbite engine is extremely cpu dependant. its an exception to modern games. it doesnt even run smooth on a dual core. i dont care lack of what you think i have, but it IS a change of subject. why dont you help the op? you're just ignorant. i've discussed with so many like you it's not worth getting pissed off. 6 core chips as of these years ARE NOT worth it over quads. the 2500k is the best p/p cpu. FULL STOP. do i need to make it bigger?

Andy, i'd go with a pair of EVGA reference 560 Ti's. they'll beat a 580 and wouldnt make much noise

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/312?vs=305

I was helping the OP until you intruded. Bad Company didn't scale anywhere near as well as BF3 and neither did the other games that were testing the waters, such as Dirt 2 and 3, Crysis 2 etc... What Battlefield three has proven is that their attempts are paying off. It's not an exception to a rule, it is a new rule. SB-e will handle every game just as well as SB and multithreaded games will see a quite noticeable difference. That is future proofing. "Buy SB now because the games that will correctly utilize multithreading aren't out yet" is not futureproofing. Get it?.

 

[stargazer7]

you're so informed i think you should just shut up already. this has been a going on trend and its obvious games wont catch up instantly. by the time they do, he'll be about to upgrade so your logic makes no sense

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lol. i dont think he wants much of a 480 anymore. those cards had too high leakage. a number of cards offer the same performance at a much lower profile nowadays. Gigy's would do. they had some failures with WindForce3x non-ref boards (blue) but they should be strong anyways. even if it comes doa, you can have them replaced back.

 

[phanbuey]

lol. i dont think he wants much of a 480 anymore. those cards had too high leakage. a number of cards offer the same performance at a much lower profile nowadays. Gigy's would do. they had some failures with WindForce3x non-ref boards (blue) but they should be strong anyways. even if it comes doa, you can have them replaced back.

nobody wants the 480 ... but they are cheaper than even the 6950's. if you talk straight $/frame, nothing can touch it.

Look: http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-gtx480-1536mb-gddr5-twin-frozr-ii-videokartya-72335

 

[stargazer7]

thats a really nice card. its considerable. i always liked those TF 480s... still a little too high profile gpus though.

 

[Andynor91]

Does 2 of http://www.pcx.hu/termek/gigabyte-gtx570-gv-n570oc-13i-v2-0-videokartya-90377 justify the price bump compared to 2 of http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-n570gtx-1-28-gb-ddr5-twin-frozr-ii-videokartya-77650 though?

 

[phanbuey]

Does 2 of http://www.pcx.hu/termek/gigabyte-gtx570-gv-n570oc-13i-v2-0-videokartya-90377 justify the price bump compared to 2 of http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-n570gtx-1-28-gb-ddr5-twin-frozr-ii-videokartya-77650 though?

No, you are paying extra for peace of mind and *a little* overclockability. The cheaper ones have weak VRM's and can die on you if you push them.

Check it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErV6Adcz4Yo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pZB4FMp-2w&feature=relmfu << 480's win big in metro. More ram

 

[stargazer7]

those are built on kinda a beefy PCB. i would likely prefer them over reference 570 despite their lower QC. they're indeed better cards

 

[Damn_Smooth]

you're so informed i think you should just shut up already. this has been a going on trend and its obvious games wont catch up instantly. by the time they do, he'll be about to upgrade so your logic makes no sense

Who are you to tell anybody to shut up? Go back to the forums you crawled out of. Oh wait, you were probably banned for spreading your ignorance over there.

I'm sorry that you can't handle the truth that SB-e is more future proof than SB, but those are your own issues to deal with.
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[stargazer7]

Who are you to tell anybody to shut up? Go back to the forums you crawled out of. Oh wait, you were probably banned for spreading your ignorance over there.

I'm sorry that you can't handle the truth that SB-e is more future proof than SB, but those are your own issues to deal with.
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no, i wasnt. SB-e isnt more future proof or anything. thats just your wrong thinking into buying more cores helps today. did you even read the preview? its obvious that the E platform is catered more with servers in mind. in some ways such as TDP, its WORSE than Sandy. pulls more power running hotter to begin with. costs more and is worse in some ways functionality wise. but you're in no position to see this.