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Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

OneMoar said:
personally the less sticks the better if you are considering some overclocking down the road
but if you go with one stick you don't get dual channel mode and thats slower'ish

Overclocking is dangerous for the parts, isn't it? Wouldn't I need to upgrade with even more fans? I'd opt not to.

OneMoar · Apr 16, 2012

JrRacinFan said:
In the OP's case, if building around the i3 instead of going prebuilt it would be more worth it.

**Sorry was editing my above post to include this information

agree but meh real men use real cores ... the core i3 might have the edge in per clock performance but it lacks 2 physical cores its a toss up that depends on the gpu its paired with and what game its running
IE battle field 3 HATES HT
Wow is CPU bound tho but it also is threaded fore upwards of 8 cores so I would suspect the Phenom II would trouce it there

scope54 · Apr 16, 2012

OneMoar said:
Wow is CPU bound tho but it also is threaded fore upwards of 8 cores so I would suspect the Phenom II would trounce it there

I dont know about trounce:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/...core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

look for the WoW portion, about mid page. That is also with the 2100, the 2120 is 200mhz faster, and the 965 is 100mhz slower than the 970 they used.

JrRacinFan · Apr 16, 2012

@OneMoar
Hey just giving some options here man.

scope54 · Apr 16, 2012

revised, with a new gpu:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006WYVGC4/?tag=tec06d-20

and this:
GIGABYTE GV-R775OC-1GI Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit ...

and this because the dell doesnt look like it even has an extra connectors from the powersupply and it's shitty
SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 1...

total: around $616.74

changed the gpu because the 2 cheap 6790's had REALLY bad reviews, and the 7750 is neck and neck with the 5770/6770 in most games.So new gpu with less noise and low power use and high oc ability.

eidairaman1 · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
Overclocking is dangerous for the parts, isn't it? Wouldn't I need to upgrade with even more fans? I'd opt not to.

Since you are new to the computing Builders scene I wouldnt overclock. AMD Phenom II X2 BE 555 Unlocked to B55/955 Is Fast enough stock in bootup, shut down, program open and close when combined with a 970 Motherboard and Windows 764bit

Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

scope54 said:
revised, with a new gpu:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006WYVGC4/?tag=tec06d-20

and this:
GIGABYTE GV-R775OC-1GI Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit ...

and this because the dell doesnt look like it even has an extra connectors from the powersupply and it's shitty
SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 1...

total: around $616.74

changed the gpu because the 2 cheap 6790's had REALLY bad reviews, and the 7750 is neck and neck with the 5770/6770 in most games.So new gpu with less noise and low power use and high oc ability.

So you're saying I should purchase the computer and just replace those two parts?

I've actually been looking at some cases. Would it be possible to transfer the parts if say, I did purchase the RaidMax Viper or Silverstone Temjin TJ04-E? I know it's mainly an aesthetic thing, but they're so pretty. :cry:

How would this setup run WoW?

JrRacinFan · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
Would it be possible to transfer the parts if say, I did purchase the RaidMax Viper or Silverstone Temjin TJ04-E?

The only possible issue that would arise is that if the prebuilts motherboard has a proprietary connector for it's front panel(power on/reset/mic/speaker).

brandonwh64 · Apr 16, 2012

scope54 said:
I dont know about trounce:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/...core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

look for the WoW portion, about mid page. That is also with the 2100, the 2120 is 200mhz faster, and the 965 is 100mhz slower than the 970 they used.

The I3-2100 beat the AMD CPU's in almost every gaming benchmark. The only CPU to come close was Phenom II 970

scope54 · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
So you're saying I should purchase the computer and just replace those two parts?

I've actually been looking at some cases. Would it be possible to transfer the parts if say, I did purchase the RaidMax Viper or Silverstone Temjin TJ04-E? I know it's mainly an aesthetic thing, but they're so pretty.

How would this setup run WoW?

I'm guessing settings on high to ultra, maybe an effect or 2 at medium, and yea i think this is the easiest path in terms of getting a fast comp for a good price.

Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

JrRacinFan said:
The only possible issue that would arise is that if the prebuilts motherboard has a proprietary connector for it's front panel(power on/reset/mic/speaker).

Ah, well I do know that as I get more income, I was looking to expand and that means there'd be a possibility of me having to buy a completely new motherboard just to fit any other case I might purchase. :c

Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

scope54 said:
I'm guessing settings on high to ultra, maybe an effect or 2 at medium, and yea i think this is the easiest path in terms of getting a fast comp for a good price.

And still be able to maintain a minimum 20fps? I get around 22fps constantly on League of Legends using this notebook.

Then again, anything would probably be better.

brandonwh64 · Apr 16, 2012

Do you plan on OCing?

JrRacinFan · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
Ah, well I do know that as I get more income, I was looking to expand and that means there'd be a possibility of me having to buy a completely new motherboard just to fit any other case I might purchase. :c

Cordero said:
And still be able to maintain a minimum 20fps? I get around 22fps constantly on League of Legends using this notebook.

Then again, anything would probably be better.

brandonwh64 said:
Do you plan on OCing?

Yup. Nearly all the dedicated cards in your ~100 range would stomp that number to the ground. Again, the i3 21xx chips don't necessarily need overclocking. Now if you were looking at raising your budget to say a max of $700, then I would say pickup a z68/i5 2400 combo with a dedicated card, scope's suggestion of the 7750 is PERFECT.

Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

JrRacinFan said:
Yup. Nearly all the dedicated cards in your ~100 range would stomp that number to the ground. Again, the i3 21xx chips don't necessarily need overclocking. Now if you were looking at raising your budget to say a max of $700, then I would say pickup a z68/i5 2400 combo with a dedicated card, scope's suggestion of the 7750 is PERFECT.

I'm so lost right now.

JrRacinFan · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
I'm so lost right now.

Please explain where I lost you at.

scope54 said:
and this:
GIGABYTE GV-R775OC-1GI Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit ...

And an Intel i5 2400 combo
Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, L...

Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

JrRacinFan said:
Please explain where I lost you at.

The second post in the thread.

You guys know so much and are just referring to everything, and I'm following along as best I can and reading the reviews for the products.

I've seen two viable builds where I buy all of the parts separately, one where I buy a rig and then replace two parts, and according to you all they're all well made and I"m going to have trouble deciding on one.

For the time being, I'm upping the budget to 600$. :laugh:

scope54 · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
Ah, well I do know that as I get more income, I was looking to expand and that means there'd be a possibility of me having to buy a completely new motherboard just to fit any other case I might purchase. :c

looking at the dell, the motherboard does look standard from the newegg pic so migrating parts shouldnt be a problem.

JrRacinFan · Apr 16, 2012

OK here. This may help you:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2

On the charts if you choose to compare 2 products, you will see mainly the upper half being for "all-around multitasking" and the bottom half are "gaming" benchmarks.

Norton · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
The second post in the thread.

You guys know so much and are just referring to everything, and I'm following along as best I can and reading the reviews for the products.

I've seen two viable builds where I buy all of the parts separately, one where I buy a rig and then replace two parts, and according to you all they're all well made and I"m going to have trouble deciding on one.

For the time being, I'm upping the budget to 600$.

There's a lot of opinions here so just take some time to look things over and ask lots of questions....

Concentrate on the first most important question for yourself:
Do I feel comfortable building my own PC or do I want to buy something that is OK now but upgradeable?

Answer that one and all of the folks here will be able to help you accordingly :cool:

eidairaman1 · Apr 16, 2012

DIY PC Combos, Entry Level / Mainstream

Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

Norton said:
There's a lot of opinions here so just take some time to look things over and ask lots of questions....

Concentrate on the first most important question for yourself:
Do I feel comfortable building my own PC or do I want to buy something that is OK now but upgradeable?

Answer that one and all of the folks here will be able to help you accordingly

Oh I'm fine with building my own, I'll be viewing multiple guides and receiving help from friends during the installation process. It's just that my vast amounts of computer knowledge are limited to software, and I've had no experience with hardware, so I can't really follow along well on the spec discussion. If left to fend for myself I'd probably end up back with a desktop similar to the one we purchased in 01 that had what, 250mb of ram, if that? I'm sure the integrated card on this laptop is godly compared to that. lol

I'll just have to take you guys' word for it, I suppose.

eidairaman1 · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
Oh I'm fine with building my own, I'll be viewing multiple guides and receiving help from friends during the installation process. It's just that my vast amounts of computer knowledge are limited to software, and I've had no experience with hardware, so I can't really follow along well on the spec discussion. If left to fend for myself I'd probably end up back with a desktop similar to the one we purchased in 01 that had what, 250mb of ram, if that? I'm sure the integrated card on this laptop is godly compared to that. lol

I'll just have to take you guys' word for it, I suppose.

id recommend atleast 600 bux for your budget

Cordero · Apr 16, 2012

eidairaman1 said:
id recommend atleast 600 bux for your budget

Yeah I said I'd increase it to 600. :rockout:

Norton · Apr 16, 2012

Cordero said:
Oh I'm fine with building my own, I'll be viewing multiple guides and receiving help from friends during the installation process. It's just that my vast amounts of computer knowledge are limited to software, and I've had no experience with hardware, so I can't really follow along well on the spec discussion. If left to fend for myself I'd probably end up back with a desktop similar to the one we purchased in 01 that had what, 250mb of ram, if that? I'm sure the integrated card on this laptop is godly compared to that. lol

I'll just have to take you guys' word for it, I suppose.

OK- just like any construction, you need to start with a good foundation. To build a reliable PC you need a good power supply and the 520watt seasonic will fill that requirement (1). Windows is needed (2) and you will want to have something you like to look at- case(3) So...

(1)- Seasonic 520w PSU- $59.99 SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 1...
(2)- Windows 7 64bit- $99 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - Oper...
subtotal- $158.99
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