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| System Name | Surprising Mini Duece |
|---|---|
| Processor | i3-550 3.2ghz/core (nice little gamer, 98% games = dual core code only) |
| Motherboard | ASUS P7H55M-LE |
| Cooling | Cooler Master Vortex |
| Memory | 8GB Patriot Signature Series 1.5v DDR3 1333Mhz w/ spreaders. |
| Video Card(s) | Old slugger ... EVGA 8800GTS 640Mb SC edition. Soon to be retired. |
| Storage | Segate Sata II 64mb cache 1TB single platter.. fast but chirpy lol |
| Display(s) | 1x Asus VS247h-p 2ms LOVE IT, 1x Sceptre 22" Naga 2ms, 1x 20inch Samsung Syncmaster |
| Case | Aerocool QX-2000 .. my latest project |
| Audio Device(s) | Onboard HD |
| Power Supply | Seasonic x650 Gold! Primo 105Celisius Jap cap wonder. |
| Software | Whatever I can pirate ;) lol jk .. Windows 7 legit license |
| Benchmark Scores | LOL I still get rock steady 57-60FPS in Skyrim on medium settings no AA on this 5 year old video car |
This quote came from another site but since this info is commonly sought by people I thought I'd share the post here. Enjoy.
[quote name="insyxion" url="/t/1271115/nvidia-gtx-660-suppose-to-be-299-329#post_17503580"]Since USA is usally cheaper then europe, so i guees its probably gonna be over 340$ in europe..
I'm looking to upgrade my 6870, should i get AMD 7850?
The question i'm most curious about, Is it true that nvidia cards are running most games much smoother?[/quote]
Recently, I tested two cards (for personal purchase) at the same price point ... a Diamond 7850 2GB and an EVGA 2GB 560 ti. I can tell you that, although the 7850 overclocked much higher and had higher FPS (@11FPS higher vs 7850 stock clocks in Furmark) the GTX 560 TI was by far smoother with way less chop and shutter in game. The 560 Ti would chop ONLY for about 10-15 seconds after level load on Diablo III (max settings no v-sync) but the 7850 would chop every time I came upon a large mob or the screen angle changed. I was very dissappointed in the 7850, since it was a 2GB card as well, and the 2GB Memory with buffer should have cut the chop to that of the 560 TI or less. I even tried tripple buffering and it had no affect. Also, once you start adding in AA and other filtering, settings that extra 11FPS is going to get chewed up fast anyways so aslong as either card stays above 60FPS with V-sync on you're good to go even without the 11FPS boost from overclocking IMO. And to get that 1250Mhz clock out of the 7850 while staying at decent temps you're going to need to flash the bios to get around CCC Overdrive and or buy a higher priced model like an ASUS Direct whatever it's called or MSI Twin Frozer III or PE model. You could go aftermarket heatsink but then you'll spend more $, void the warranty and loose Crossfire space. Not worth the extra 5-8FPS over modest 1050Mhz +20%OV imo. I'd rather modest clock to 1050Mhz with 20% overvolting and keep stock fan, CF space and warranty; or, like I said buy a model that can handle higher clocks (with stock HS/Fan and warranty) like the ones mentioned above.
Also just FYI, On temps they both sucked. On noise the EVGA sucked worse becaue the fan sounds like a jet engine at 50%... How EVGA gets around this is they have the heat handling heavy on the passive heatsink side of things. Essentially, they run the fan stock low at about 36%-46% even at full load and thus let the heatsink take on more heat because it is a big ass heat sink. The down side is, at stock clocks and stock fan levels, it will run quite BUT the temps will run over 85-88* C at full load and around 48*C idle. That's why the tests that show the 560 Ti runs quiter is an absolute joke and a lie because it only runs quiter at stock fan curves and the trade off is it runs hot as shizz! The Diamond 7850 had a radial fan with noticeably lower noise above 50% but virtually the same exact temps because I discovered the heat sink heat plate was machined horribly rough like a finger print. http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167140
In the end both cards went back to the store and I'm waiting on the GTX 660 Ti before I make any more purchases. I think if I'm going to purchase again it will be a 2 fan model, something like the MSI TwinFroz III, or the Zotac 670 short twin fan model coming out soon. I would suggest that if you're going for an AMD 7850 spend the extra cabbage to get a 2 fan short model like the MSI http://us.msi.com/product/vga/R7850-Power-Edition-2GD5-OC.html or http://us.msi.com/product/vga/R7850-Twin-Frozr-2GD5-OC.html that has a good 2 fan heatsink assembly that can take better advantage of the high overclocking potential of the 7850 GPU and still remain within good temps and not require an aftermarket cooler that takes up Crossfire space. :thumb:
But yes, my personal expierence showed Nivida to run smoother against nearly a direct competitor (7850 is slightly stronger) with all things like game, game settings and CPU remaining constent. The 7850 sucked IMO.. well let's be kinder and say it fell really short of expectations. Oh and catalyst was, is and always will be the biggest piece of crap. Would only see my HDMI monitor as an HDTV even though the onbarod intel chipset picked it up at 1920x1080 no problem. Catalyst gaming profiles saved to .exe never worked properly, colors wonkey, it conflicted with MSI Afterburner startup profile settings and no matter how many times you delete Catalyst profiles they hide in some obscure reg key. All in all, the 7850 has more raw power and higher FPS potential (depending on the game and baring equal tessallation handeling because Nvidia is much better at tessallation handling) but way less fit, finish and finesse imo. Nvidia, as mentioned above by OPs, has smoother operation and way better drivers that work right. Essentially, would you rather drive a big jerky transmition V8 Corvette with bad radio buttons or a smoother Lexus 250 ISF that works right? That's a decent analogy.
Hope this helps. I'm Sorry for wall of text and spelling check crits but it's a lot of info! :thumb:
[quote name="insyxion" url="/t/1271115/nvidia-gtx-660-suppose-to-be-299-329#post_17503580"]Since USA is usally cheaper then europe, so i guees its probably gonna be over 340$ in europe..
I'm looking to upgrade my 6870, should i get AMD 7850?
The question i'm most curious about, Is it true that nvidia cards are running most games much smoother?[/quote]
Recently, I tested two cards (for personal purchase) at the same price point ... a Diamond 7850 2GB and an EVGA 2GB 560 ti. I can tell you that, although the 7850 overclocked much higher and had higher FPS (@11FPS higher vs 7850 stock clocks in Furmark) the GTX 560 TI was by far smoother with way less chop and shutter in game. The 560 Ti would chop ONLY for about 10-15 seconds after level load on Diablo III (max settings no v-sync) but the 7850 would chop every time I came upon a large mob or the screen angle changed. I was very dissappointed in the 7850, since it was a 2GB card as well, and the 2GB Memory with buffer should have cut the chop to that of the 560 TI or less. I even tried tripple buffering and it had no affect. Also, once you start adding in AA and other filtering, settings that extra 11FPS is going to get chewed up fast anyways so aslong as either card stays above 60FPS with V-sync on you're good to go even without the 11FPS boost from overclocking IMO. And to get that 1250Mhz clock out of the 7850 while staying at decent temps you're going to need to flash the bios to get around CCC Overdrive and or buy a higher priced model like an ASUS Direct whatever it's called or MSI Twin Frozer III or PE model. You could go aftermarket heatsink but then you'll spend more $, void the warranty and loose Crossfire space. Not worth the extra 5-8FPS over modest 1050Mhz +20%OV imo. I'd rather modest clock to 1050Mhz with 20% overvolting and keep stock fan, CF space and warranty; or, like I said buy a model that can handle higher clocks (with stock HS/Fan and warranty) like the ones mentioned above.
Also just FYI, On temps they both sucked. On noise the EVGA sucked worse becaue the fan sounds like a jet engine at 50%... How EVGA gets around this is they have the heat handling heavy on the passive heatsink side of things. Essentially, they run the fan stock low at about 36%-46% even at full load and thus let the heatsink take on more heat because it is a big ass heat sink. The down side is, at stock clocks and stock fan levels, it will run quite BUT the temps will run over 85-88* C at full load and around 48*C idle. That's why the tests that show the 560 Ti runs quiter is an absolute joke and a lie because it only runs quiter at stock fan curves and the trade off is it runs hot as shizz! The Diamond 7850 had a radial fan with noticeably lower noise above 50% but virtually the same exact temps because I discovered the heat sink heat plate was machined horribly rough like a finger print. http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167140
In the end both cards went back to the store and I'm waiting on the GTX 660 Ti before I make any more purchases. I think if I'm going to purchase again it will be a 2 fan model, something like the MSI TwinFroz III, or the Zotac 670 short twin fan model coming out soon. I would suggest that if you're going for an AMD 7850 spend the extra cabbage to get a 2 fan short model like the MSI http://us.msi.com/product/vga/R7850-Power-Edition-2GD5-OC.html or http://us.msi.com/product/vga/R7850-Twin-Frozr-2GD5-OC.html that has a good 2 fan heatsink assembly that can take better advantage of the high overclocking potential of the 7850 GPU and still remain within good temps and not require an aftermarket cooler that takes up Crossfire space. :thumb:
But yes, my personal expierence showed Nivida to run smoother against nearly a direct competitor (7850 is slightly stronger) with all things like game, game settings and CPU remaining constent. The 7850 sucked IMO.. well let's be kinder and say it fell really short of expectations. Oh and catalyst was, is and always will be the biggest piece of crap. Would only see my HDMI monitor as an HDTV even though the onbarod intel chipset picked it up at 1920x1080 no problem. Catalyst gaming profiles saved to .exe never worked properly, colors wonkey, it conflicted with MSI Afterburner startup profile settings and no matter how many times you delete Catalyst profiles they hide in some obscure reg key. All in all, the 7850 has more raw power and higher FPS potential (depending on the game and baring equal tessallation handeling because Nvidia is much better at tessallation handling) but way less fit, finish and finesse imo. Nvidia, as mentioned above by OPs, has smoother operation and way better drivers that work right. Essentially, would you rather drive a big jerky transmition V8 Corvette with bad radio buttons or a smoother Lexus 250 ISF that works right? That's a decent analogy.
Hope this helps. I'm Sorry for wall of text and spelling check crits but it's a lot of info! :thumb:
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... Also, I will say my tech collegee has an AMD referrence 7970 and he reports minimal chop only at level load like the GTX 560 Ti 2GB I tested so maybe it's driver/specific model related. 
