Coming over from laptop gaming, need advice!

[SemiGamer]

I stumbled upon this:
Refurbished: DELL XPS 8500LE (X850014790222SA) No ...
Do you think thats worth buying, than getting a better case, selling the 7770 and getting the 670?
Possibly have to upgrade the motherboard but I'd be getting a 256gb SSD as well as Windows 7 which I'll need anyway and a 2TB storage drive.

 

[Jetster]

I stumbled upon this:
Refurbished: DELL XPS 8500LE (X850014790222SA) No ...
Do you think thats worth buying, than getting a better case, selling the 7770 and getting the 670?
Possibly have to upgrade the motherboard but I'd be getting a 256gb SSD as well as Windows 7 which I'll need anyway and a 2TB storage drive.

No, to many issuews with pripriatary parts

 

[de.das.dude]

^ he means "proprietary"

 

[SemiGamer]

Ah gotcha, I'll stick with my build.
Unfortunately the HP monitor doesn't seem like it will be available when I go to buy (its out of stock now). So how is this for an alternative?
ASUS VS239H-P Black 23" 5ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen ...

 

[tokyoduong]

Is that one better than the Asus in clarity? They're both at $169.99 on newegg right now.
I notice the HP is 10,000,000 to 1 and the Asus is 50,000,000 to 1, that doesn't matter?

That contrast is dynamic is not an actual representation of real contrast. You'll be lucky if you get 1000:1 in during operation.

How they get that is they compared their brightest white in their brightest mode and compared it to their blackest black in their dimmest mode. That means the contrast is comparing 2 different frames at different times. They get away with this BS because they can say their monitor have software that will automatically adjust brightness and picture modes. Not to mention there's no standard in measuring these contrast ratios so it's different for every manufacturers.

If you look at monitor reviews then you'll see that contrast usually falls between 200-1000.

 

[SemiGamer]

That contrast is dynamic is not an actual representation of real contrast. You'll be lucky if you get 1000:1 in during operation.

How they get that is they compared their brightest white in their brightest mode and compared it to their blackest black in their dimmest mode. That means the contrast is comparing 2 different frames at different times. They get away with this BS because they can say their monitor have software that will automatically adjust brightness and picture modes. Not to mention there's no standard in measuring these contrast ratios so it's different for every manufacturers.

If you look at monitor reviews then you'll see that contrast usually falls between 200-1000.

For which monitor are we talking about?
The HP one that was suggested earlier is no longer available, I tried to find an equivalent monitor and came up with the Asus I found just above your post, was wondering if thats any good since I'm searching for a monitor again?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

For which monitor are we talking about?
The HP one that was suggested earlier is no longer available, I tried to find an equivalent monitor and came up with the Asus I found just above your post, was wondering if thats any good since I'm searching for a monitor again?

I wouldn't get a TN panel at this point in the game. Here are some IPS panels on Newegg.

Acer H236HLbid Black 23" 5ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen...

LG 23EA63V-P Black 23" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LED Bac...

Dell UltraSharp U2312HM IPS-Panel Black 23" 8ms Sw...

The Dell is 10% off with promo code right now. I have the 24" version of Dell. Awesome monitor.

 

[SemiGamer]

I wouldn't get a TN panel at this point in the game. Here are some IPS panels on Newegg.

Acer H236HLbid Black 23" 5ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen...

LG 23EA63V-P Black 23" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LED Bac...

Dell UltraSharp U2312HM IPS-Panel Black 23" 8ms Sw...

The Dell is 10% off with promo code right now. I have the 24" version of Dell. Awesome monitor.

I thought this was an IPS not TN? ASUS VS239H-P Black 23" 5ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen ...
Also at $219 I'd prolly just buy this guy: ASUS VG Series VG23AH Black 23" 5ms HDMI Widescree... haha

 

[tokyoduong]

For which monitor are we talking about?
The HP one that was suggested earlier is no longer available, I tried to find an equivalent monitor and came up with the Asus I found just above your post, was wondering if thats any good since I'm searching for a monitor again?

I explained the dubious contrast ratio. It's not real.

Right now, there's no monitor that can realitically do 10,000:1 contrast. Reading through reviews of some of the most expensive monitors and bested rated ones, their contrast ratio is only ~1,000:1 and that is really high.
The budget monitors claiming these ridiculous 50,000:1 ratios only do 200-400 in reality.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I thought this was an IPS not TN? ASUS VS239H-P Black 23" 5ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen ...
Also at $219 I'd prolly just buy this guy: ASUS VG Series VG23AH Black 23" 5ms HDMI Widescree... haha

Oh yeah, it is IPS.

Why would you get the $219 Asus IPS when you can get the Dell monitor for 10% off?

Dell UltraSharp U2312HM IPS-Panel Black 23" 8ms Sw...

With Dell you get a lot better support if you have any issues. Asus it can be a pain in the ass.

And the Asus doesn't have height adjustments or anything like that which is nice to have with a monitor.

 

[tokyoduong]

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ell+ips,aps&rh=i:aps,k:dell ips&tag=tec06d-20


both dell ips and asus ips can be bought for ~170. I personally like dell along with many people i know that have tried both. The dells are just good ips and very easy on the eyes. The Asus seems to have better color. The dells have better better stands too. I use dells at work and samsung at home.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ell+ips,aps&rh=i:aps,k:dell ips&tag=tec06d-20


both dell ips and asus ips can be bought for ~170. I personally like dell along with many people i know that have tried both. The dells are just good ips and very easy on the eyes. The Asus seems to have better color. The dells have better better stands too. I use dells at work and samsung at home.

Those are the non Ultrasharp Dells though too.

 

[SemiGamer]

Oh yeah, it is IPS.

Why would you get the $219 Asus IPS when you can get the Dell monitor for 10% off?

Dell UltraSharp U2312HM IPS-Panel Black 23" 8ms Sw...

With Dell you get a lot better support if you have any issues. Asus it can be a pain in the ass.

And the Asus doesn't have height adjustments or anything like that which is nice to have with a monitor.

The $219 Asus has speakers, 3D and it indeed has height adjustments. The $170 asus is the one that doesn't. I figured at the same price the Asus had many more features. Though the 10% off coupon on the dell does lower it to $199 or so. But at both $219 I thought the Asus was better for the speakers and 3D.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ell+ips,aps&rh=i:aps,k:dell ips&tag=tec06d-20


both dell ips and asus ips can be bought for ~170. I personally like dell along with many people i know that have tried both. The dells are just good ips and very easy on the eyes. The Asus seems to have better color. The dells have better better stands too. I use dells at work and samsung at home.

Which one do you recommend for ~170?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

The $219 Asus has speakers, 3D and it indeed has height adjustments. The $170 asus is the one that doesn't. I figured at the same price the Asus had many more features. Though the 10% off coupon on the dell does lower it to $199 or so. But at both $219 I thought the Asus was better for the speakers and 3D.


Which one do you recommend for ~170?

If this is a gaming rig why aren't you using headphones or discrete speakers?

 

[BiggieShady]

The $219 Asus has speakers, 3D and it indeed has height adjustments.

I don't know where did you see 3D, that monitor does not have 120 Hz vertical refresh rate.

Also, I would not recommend using speakers on any monitor, be nice to your ears

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I don't know where did you see 3D, that monitor does not have 120 Hz vertical refresh rate.

Also, I would not recommend using speakers on any monitor, be nice to your ears

It advertises as having 3D Capabilities, and comes with glasses. I also thought it was weird that it was NOT 120hz.

 

[SemiGamer]

If this is a gaming rig why aren't you using headphones or discrete speakers?

I don't know where did you see 3D, that monitor does not have 120 Hz vertical refresh rate.

Also, I would not recommend using speakers on any monitor, be nice to your ears

We're talking about this one Biggie: ASUS VG Series VG23AH Black 23" 5ms HDMI Widescree...

And I use a Logitech G930 headset but many times when my friends/family/girlfriend want to watch a youtube video with me I play it through my laptop speakers for obvious reasons.

Its no big deal, external speakers for that would work just fine. I was just curious why at the same price not go for the more features.
Not fighting you guys on the decisions, just wondering the "why" get less features for the same price. Thats all.

EDIT: After watching some reviews they say the 3D feature isn't very great anyway but that its still a great 2d monitor as expected.
I doubt I'd use a crappy 3d feature since I have a samsung 3d TV for that kind of mumbo-jumbo.
Wasn't looking forward to the $219 price range anyway. So do you think that dell is the best for the price at $199 after discount code?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

We're talking about this one Biggie: ASUS VG Series VG23AH Black 23" 5ms HDMI Widescree...

And I use a Logitech G930 headset but many times when my friends/family/girlfriend want to watch a youtube video with me I play it through my laptop speakers for obvious reasons.

Its no big deal, external speakers for that would work just fine. I was just curious why at the same price not go for the more features.
Not fighting you guys on the decisions, just wondering the "why" get less features for the same price. Thats all.

EDIT: After watching some reviews they say the 3D feature isn't very great anyway but that its still a great 2d monitor as expected.
I doubt I'd use a crappy 3d feature since I have a samsung 3d TV for that kind of mumbo-jumbo.
Wasn't looking forward to the $219 price range anyway. So do you think that dell is the best for the price at $199 after discount code?

Yeah I think so. I probably wont buy any other monitors other then Dell from here on out. They are a bit pricier then competition, but its worth it. Love my U2412M.

 

[SemiGamer]

Yeah I think so. I probably wont buy any other monitors other then Dell from here on out. They are a bit pricier then competition, but its worth it. Love my U2412M.

I just noticed the Dell doesn't have HDMI.. Still worth it? I rather run HDMI to be honest..
Heres the compare I'm currently doing
Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, L...
Both $199 after rebates/coupons

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Get the Asus then, Weird the Dell doesn't have HDMi as it has a 1080p resolution. Or you could just run DVI.

Why do you prefer HDMI?

 

[SemiGamer]

Get the Asus then, Weird the Dell doesn't have HDMi as it has a 1080p resolution. Or you could just run DVI.

Why do you prefer HDMI?

Well its all I've ever used lol. Is it not the best option?

Remember I'm coming from a laptop so the screens always been built in. Feel free to correct me whenever I insist something stupid. Thats why I'm here, to get taught / schooled ;P

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Well its all I've ever used lol. Is it not the best option?

Remember I'm coming from a laptop so the screens always been built in. Feel free to correct me whenever I insist something stupid. Thats why I'm here, to get taught / schooled ;P

Well since your limited to 1080p on either monitor it won't matter what you use HDMI or not. But monitors that are like 27 or 30" that have 1440p and 1600p resolutions, unless you have an HDMI cable that's version 1.4 I think it is, you can only do 1080p resolutions, where as DVI can basically do all of them right now. Only thing you don't get with DVI that you do with HDMI is sound.

 

[BiggieShady]

It advertises as having 3D Capabilities, and comes with glasses. I also thought it was weird that it was NOT 120hz.

Oh. I suppose you can watch stereoscopic bluray on it, I don't know about gaming in stereo though. Maybe on AMD capped at 30 fps. I know nVidia 3D requires 120 Hz monitor (why not let people try it capped at 30 fps is beyond me)

 

[RCoon]

Well its all I've ever used lol. Is it not the best option?

Remember I'm coming from a laptop so the screens always been built in. Feel free to correct me whenever I insist something stupid. Thats why I'm here, to get taught / schooled ;P

DVI will do anything except sound, whereas HDMI is limited, but includes sound. I prefer to use my Graphics cards to output JUST video, as many other do. Sound can just be brought from the sound on the PC. Unless the monitor has built in speakers (which will be crappy), you dont need HDMI per se. DVI will support higher resolutions.

 

[tokyoduong]

The $219 Asus has speakers, 3D and it indeed has height adjustments. The $170 asus is the one that doesn't. I figured at the same price the Asus had many more features. Though the 10% off coupon on the dell does lower it to $199 or so. But at both $219 I thought the Asus was better for the speakers and 3D.


Which one do you recommend for ~170?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009H0XQRS/?tag=tec06d-20

get that one. Seriously, the difference between the ultrasharp and the nonultrasharp is really not that big of a deal. It just has a higher contrast between pixels so it appears sharper instead of softer. The cost difference is huge though. The resolution is still 1080p for both.