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AMD Reports 2013 First Quarter Results

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AMD (NYSE:AMD) today announced revenue for the first quarter of 2013 of $1.09 billion, an operating loss of $98 million and a net loss of $146 million, or $0.19 per share. The company reported a non-GAAP operating loss of $46 million and a non-GAAP net loss of $94 million, or $0.13 per share.

"Our first quarter results reflect our disciplined operational execution in a difficult market environment," said Rory Read, AMD president and CEO. "We have largely completed our restructuring and are now focused on delivering a powerful set of new products that will accelerate our business in 2013. We will continue to diversify our portfolio and attack high-growth markets like dense server, ultra low-power client, embedded and semi-custom solutions to create the foundation for sustainable financial returns."



Quarterly Financial Summary
  • Gross margin was 41 percent.
    o Gross margin increased sequentially due to a $20 million benefit from sales of inventory that had been previously reserved which positively impacted gross margin by 2 percentage points.
  • Cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities balance, including long-term marketable securities, was $1.2 billion at the end of the quarter.
    o First quarter cash was bolstered by the closing of a sale and leaseback transaction of the "Lone Star Campus" in Austin, Texas generating cash proceeds of approximately $164 million, net of certain fees.
  • Computing Solutions segment revenue decreased 9 percent sequentially and 38 percent year-over-year. The sequential decrease was primarily due to lower desktop, notebook and chipset unit shipments. The year-over-year decline was driven primarily by lower unit shipments.
    o Operating loss was $39 million, compared with an operating loss of $323 million in Q4 2012 and operating income of $124 million in Q1 2012. The Q4 2012 operating loss included the impact of a GLOBALFOUNDRIES-related "lower of cost or market" (LCM) charge of $273 million.
    o Microprocessor Average Selling Price (ASP) increased sequentially and decreased year-over-year.
  • Graphics segment revenue increased 3 percent sequentially and decreased 12 percent year-over-year. Graphics processor unit (GPU) revenue was flat sequentially and down year-over-year.
    o Operating income was $16 million, compared with $22 million in Q4 2012 and $34 million in Q1 2012.
    o GPU ASP increased sequentially and year-over-year.
Recent Highlights
  • Sony announced a semi-custom AMD APU would power its upcoming PS4 gaming console. The APU combines AMD's "Jaguar" processor cores and next-generation AMD Radeon graphics, integrating a combination of x86 processor cores and advanced graphics IP unique to AMD.
  • Highlighting AMD's commitment to optimizing the world's top PC titles for AMD Radeon graphics cards, the company launched the "Never Settle: Reloaded" promotion. The current program bundles up to five of the year's most anticipated PC games ─ "BioShock Infinite" by 2K Games and Irrational Games, "Crysis 3" by Electronic Arts and Crytek, "DmC Devil May Cry" by Capcom, "Tomb Raider" by Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics and most recently, "Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon" by Ubisoft ─ with the purchase of select AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series, HD 7800 Series as well as HD 7790 and HD 7770 graphics cards.2
  • AMD ushered in the new frontier of gaming realism with the introduction of TressFX Hair - a collaboration with Crystal Dynamics to deliver the world's first real-time hair rendering technology that can react to forces like gravity, wind and head movement in a playable game. The technology uses the DirectCompute programming language to unlock the capabilities of the AMD Graphics Core Next architecture and is featured heavily in the newly launched PC version of Tomb Raider.
  • AMD expanded its server graphics solutions with the introduction of the AMD FirePro R5000 remote graphics card supporting remote 3D-graphics workflows and full computing experiences over IP networks.
  • AMD moved into cloud gaming with AMD Radeon Sky Graphics, based on AMD Graphics Core Next architecture. Working with CiiNow, G-Cluster, Otoy and Ubitus, AMD developed a flexible cloud gaming technology that enables developers and service providers to deliver excellent gaming experiences through PCs, tablets, smart TVs and mobile devices.
  • AMD announced AMD Turbo Dock Technology which automatically adjusts performance of the AMD accelerated processing unit (APU) higher while a hybrid PC is docked and being used for more complex tasks like content creation.
  • AMD began shipping the next generation of AMD Elite A-Series APUs, codenamed "Richland," which combine improved performance and battery life4,5 with advanced user experiences like AMD Face Login and AMD Gesture Control.
  • AMD extended its commitment to drive the development of accelerated applications that tap into the full compute performance of the APU through collaboration with Aviary to bring an optimized version of its popular photo editing tool to Windows 8 PCs and tablets powered by AMD APUs.
  • AMD announced that the SeaMicro SM15000 server is now certified for CDH4, Cloudera's Distribution, creating a "Hadoop-in-a-Box" solution. Red 5, Livestream and Wayfair also announced they have deployed SeaMicro-powered microservers across their businesses.
  • AMD launched the AMD Open 3.0 server platform, a radical rethinking of the server motherboard designed to the standards developed by the Open Compute Project. The AMD Open 3.0 server enables substantial gains in computing flexibility, efficiency and operating cost by simplifying motherboard design.
  • Aligned with the company's strategy to reduce investments and capital in non-core parts of the business, AMD announced that it sold and leased-back its "Lone Star Campus" in Austin, Texas, generating approximately $164 million in cash, net of certain fees.
Current Outlook
AMD's outlook statements are based on current expectations. The following statements are forward-looking, and actual results could differ materially depending on market conditions and the factors set forth under "Cautionary Statement" below.

For the second quarter of 2013, AMD expects revenue to increase 2 percent, plus or minus 3 percent, sequentially.

For additional details regarding AMD's results and outlook please see the CFO commentary posted at quarterlyearnings.amd.com.

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So they're returning back to profit? Nice, better be so tho, otherwise if they only start posting profit after PS4 hits (Q3?-Q4), everyone will start saying it's only because of that...

Either way, cheers to AMD, the least evil corporation in the PC industry...
 
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Best of luck AMD! :toast:
 

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"First quarter cash was bolstered by the closing of a sale and leaseback transaction of the "Lone Star Campus" in Austin, Texas generating cash proceeds of approximately $164 million, net of certain fees."

That's why the numbers are better than last quarter
 
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I really can't understand how a company with fairly decent products, at fairly prices and a large and very loyal customer base can post net losses quarter after quarter after quarter???

I just they nail something soon, heterogeneous computing I would think but this requires the support of the software industry but things are looking positive here wither WinZip, Handbrake and Adobe all getting into the OpenCL game.
 
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I really can't understand how a company with fairly decent products, at fairly prices and a large and very loyal customer base can post net losses quarter after quarter after quarter???

I just they nail something soon, heterogeneous computing I would think but this requires the support of the software industry but things are looking positive here wither WinZip, Handbrake and Adobe all getting into the OpenCL game.

Because they evidently make bugger all on what they sell, in terms of costs to produce, and the process costs of designing various pieces of technology too. Not to mention they have to pay for a certain amount of licensing to give away all those millions of games for free.
NVidia make more because they put a higher profit margin on all their stuff, and dont give away 3 free games with their cards, just 1. They also make the Tegra chips for mobile graphics. Which AMD has only started doing recently.
 
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Take Titan out of the picture and who has the fastest most versatile single gpu? I would happily start a fight with someone and say it's the 7970. It is generally faster in most titles than the 680 and it's compute prowess goes toe to toe with Titan. If you look at the hardware, the 7970 has more memory, bigger die(?) etc than the 680 yet is usually quite a bit cheaper.

AMD tried the high price wagon and they got slayed by their fans. I paid £520 for a Powercolor Liquid cooled 7970 way back in Feb 12 (it had RRP of £600 :twitch:). Likewise, their other cards were >£400. Now they're £100 cheaper. They tried to do what Nvidia do and got their asses chewed off by the very people who claim to be loyal.
Then when Nvidia release the 680 with sweet drivers it knocks the spots of the 7970. Instead of having aggressive driver developments, AMD cut prices as if to say - sorry, we're shitter than we thought, letting Nvidia rake in all the plaudits from reviews and the cash.
Now we have a 7970 that's generally: more OC friendly, faster and without doubt superior in compute (gpgpu) and is cheaper than the competition. Are we surprised they make less money?

Even their AAA title promo is not the right thing to do. AMD need to build up brand quality image. They need to do that by nailing the few software issues that still haunt them. Good hardware plus ace software makes the cash once people are told how good it is.

Take Malta. Unless it is released to positive reviews (especially about you know what) it's another excellent piece of hardware with substandard software. Reviewers will not be forgiving - they really wont and that knocks the confidence out of the product line as a whole.

Nvidia got screwed by Fermi. They spent a lot of time on improving it and refining the systems to a point today where folks like me are playing with bios's left right and centre to get more power into the bloody thing. They learned from Fermi. Read W1zz's review about the 680 - he loves it's power efficiency. That's a direct consequence of Nvidia making something wrong, right.
If AMD release Malta with substandard drivers/latency etc, they've learned shit. I'm hoping they have learned though. I really do. Nvidia need a kick in the ass on the pricing front.
 
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I really can't understand how a company with fairly decent products, at fairly prices and a large and very loyal customer base can post net losses quarter after quarter after quarter???

Because they evidently make bugger all on what they sell, in terms of costs to produce, and the process costs of designing various pieces of technology too. Not to mention they have to pay for a certain amount of licensing to give away all those millions of games for free.
NVidia make more because they put a higher profit margin on all their stuff, and dont give away 3 free games with their cards, just 1. They also make the Tegra chips for mobile graphics. Which AMD has only started doing recently.


In business, sometimes declaring a loss is better than profit. Because you can spend money on better machinery, research, marketing and other operating costs which are tax deductable.

In short, AMD may be better spending the profits on themselves than giving it to the government - if they want to grow faster.
 
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In business, sometimes declaring a loss is better than profit.
Sometimes ?
Because you can spend money on better machinery, research, marketing and other operating costs which are tax deductable.
This is AMD you're talking about. A company that spent twice as much as it needed to in order to acquire ATI in a market where AMD were the only suitor*...the same AMD that then sold off ATI's SoC IP to Qualcomm and Broadcom for relative peanuts*...and continues to devote (probably) 99% of its resources into developing excellent hardware while marketing and software support seems little more than an afterthought by comparison.
When was the last Radeon product that launched with anything approaching solid and mature driver support? It seems that every product cycle comes with the unspoken understanding that AMD will launch a "miracle" or "performance" driver some months after the product hits the shelves...and the dust has already settled from review PR bonanza.

* AMDs board of directors still retains the core of those who signed off on all three of those deals.
 
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Either way, cheers to AMD, the least evil corporation in the PC industry...

VIA and Big Blue (IBM) are evil? Google is evil?

This is AMD you're talking about. A company that spent twice as much as it needed to in order to acquire ATI in a market where AMD were the only suitor*...the same AMD that then sold off ATI's SoC IP to Qualcomm and Broadcom for relative peanuts*...and continues to devote (probably) 99% of its resources into developing excellent hardware while marketing and software support seems little more than an afterthought by comparison.
When was the last Radeon product that launched with anything approaching solid and mature driver support? It seems that every product cycle comes with the unspoken understanding that AMD will launch a "miracle" or "performance" driver some months after the product hits the shelves...and the dust has already settled from review PR bonanza.

* AMDs board of directors still retains the core of those who signed off on all three of those deals.

:toast:
 
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Sometimes ?

This is AMD you're talking about. A company that spent twice as much as it needed to in order to acquire ATI in a market where AMD were the only suitor*...the same AMD that then sold off ATI's SoC IP to Qualcomm and Broadcom for relative peanuts*...and continues to devote (probably) 99% of its resources into developing excellent hardware while marketing and software support seems little more than an afterthought by comparison.
When was the last Radeon product that launched with anything approaching solid and mature driver support? It seems that every product cycle comes with the unspoken understanding that AMD will launch a "miracle" or "performance" driver some months after the product hits the shelves...and the dust has already settled from review PR bonanza.

* AMDs board of directors still retains the core of those who signed off on all three of those deals.

Xzibit will be here to tell you how great AMD are doing and how badly evil nVidia are doing in 3..2...1 :laugh:
 
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Sometimes ?

This is AMD you're talking about. A company that spent twice as much as it needed to in order to acquire ATI in a market where AMD were the only suitor*...the same AMD that then sold off ATI's SoC IP to Qualcomm and Broadcom for relative peanuts*

That may be true, they do overspend but i'm just highlighting the tax benefits in doing so. This may be a deliberate strategy or it might be careless overspending. Who knows.



...and continues to devote (probably) 99% of its resources into developing excellent hardware while marketing and software support seems little more than an afterthought by comparison.

When was the last Radeon product that launched with anything approaching solid and mature driver support? It seems that every product cycle comes with the unspoken understanding that AMD will launch a "miracle" or "performance" driver some months after the product hits the shelves...and the dust has already settled from review PR bonanza.

I've never had major performance driver related issues. Your experiences of AMD drivers are your own, not everone shares them. AMD drivers have little to do with their financials either.
 
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AMD drivers have little to do with their financials either.

Can't be proven either way I guess but if AMD admit there are ongoing issues

http://www.techpowerup.com/178129/AMD-to-Fix-GCN-Latency-Issues-with-Driver-Updates.html?cp=2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6857/amd-stuttering-issues-driver-roadmap-fraps
(in which AMD software guys sat down with Anandtech guys to discuss the issues)

then that has an impact on brand reliability, which will eventually have an impact on market value.

Look what happened to Apple after it ditched Google Maps. Bad PR reduced share price. AMD's driver reliability in certain set ups is an issue. If you looked back you might see Fermi's toaster jokes and power draw problems hit Nvidia's market value. Ultimately profits are driven by many things but solid performance will always help and little hiccups here and there do not.
 
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That may be true, they do overspend but i'm just highlighting the tax benefits in doing so. This may be a deliberate strategy or it might be careless overspending. Who knows.
If its a deliberate strategy then
1. It's remarkably consistent, and
2. It seems to be resulting in a company visibly contracting in market share, size, breadth of product line, human resources, and assets.
I've never had major performance driver related issues. Your experiences of AMD drivers are your own, not everone shares them.
Well, firstly, I'd say that what I was speaking about was AMD needing half a year or so to realize the full potential of the product. i.e.

...but running with your (deliberate?) misinterpretation of what I wrote, I'd say lets present;
Exhibit 1 : How long between AMD touting VCE on December 22nd 2011


... and AMD having VCE fully functional ?
AMD drivers have little to do with their financials either.
Sorry about that. I was under the impression that better optimized drivers equates to better relative performance in reviews...which equates to better PR/Marketing, which in turn equates to better sales and brand awareness. I Didn't realize all that had no impact on the companies bottom line.
Xzibit will be here to tell you how great AMD are doing and how badly evil nVidia are doing in 3..2...1 :laugh:
Not to mention a long OT spiel about Tegra :shadedshu
 
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Still waiting to be able to use VCE on my 7770. It's one of the reasons I bought the damn thing, and I still cannot touch it.
 

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Still waiting to be able to use VCE on my 7770. It's one of the reasons I bought the damn thing, and I still cannot touch it.

Whats that?
 
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Xzibit will be here to tell you how great AMD are doing and how badly evil nVidia are doing in 3..2...1 :laugh:

Sometimes the Anti trolls cant be assed dealing with the same driver based trolling by the same fanbois all day, mandem gotta work.

Get a job other them nvidias pr hore you gimps, drivers have feck all to do with financial reporting
 
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Generally speaking it is not as simple as that .There are some other things like partner support / bribed press/ social media marketers etc . May i point you to zealot nvidia defenders while AMD/ATI had better products or how people close their eyes to nvidia driver problems .
May i point how tech press closed eyes to nvidia 8800GTS 320 MB problems or intel socket problem http://www.anandtech.com/show/2859 AMD would get tortured and executed for something like that or how most went silent with intel errata problem at beginning of core2duo era.
Do you know intel i820 chipset problem ; it was designed for rambus originally but intel used with sdram and users had memory corruption problems , motherboards called back in lucky countries .But you can see AMD problems all over net

Sorry about that. I was under the impression that better optimized drivers equates to better relative performance in reviews...which equates to better PR/Marketing, which in turn equates to better sales and brand awareness.
 
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... and AMD having VCE fully functional ?

Sorry about that. I was under the impression that better optimized drivers equates to better relative performance in reviews...which equates to better PR/Marketing, which in turn equates to better sales and brand awareness. I Didn't realize all that had no impact on the companies bottom line.

Reviews are typically written weeks before the general public get their hands on the product and are done with beta or a early driver revision, so it's impossible for AMD or Nvidia to optimize thoroughly at that early stage. Most reviewers take it into consideration of early drivers, hence why most reviewer conclusions and evaluations don't speak negatively about drivers from either the red or green camp.

It's only in follow up reviews, they might have more optimised driver, by which stage the buzz of the product has gone or has simmered.

Enthusiasts make a very small miniority. Generally speaking, AMD's high end cards are performing well. When they read reviews all they are going to see is an AMD's card cheaper than Nvidia card doing as well or better and won't be interested in optimisations as it's already doing well today on the day of purchase.

Also, the majority of ATI/AMD video cards sold are lowend and integrated, the lowend market don't read reviews and are not technical enough to understand what a driver is - This is AMD's biggest and lucrative market.
 
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Sometimes the Anti trolls cant be assed dealing with the same driver based trolling by the same fanbois all day, mandem gotta work.

Get a job other them nvidias pr hore you gimps, drivers have feck all to do with financial reporting

I have no idea what you just said. :confused:
 

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Sometimes the Anti trolls cant be assed dealing with the same driver based trolling by the same fanbois all day, mandem gotta work.

Get a job other them nvidias pr hore you gimps, drivers have feck all to do with financial reporting

And all reasoning is lost when somebody uses the words quoted above. I must be a fanboi then as i mentioned drivers. But that's because I had experience of it. Can't we have a reasoned discussion or is it too hard to resist resorting to petty name calling. Grow up mate, normally you're not like this.

...zealot nvidia defenders....

and again from another.

When the first person starts throwing 'fanboi' or 'zealot' around you have lost the discussion.
 
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Please ! Should i had been said '' fokus group ''
and again from another.

When the first person starts throwing 'fanboi' or 'zealot' around you have lost the discussion.
 
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It's nice to see AMD on the financial mend. They have many excellent products coming to market with both Kabini and Richland shipping for revenue and available to consumers in June, perhaps some sooner. In addition AMD has secured major contracts for the next PS, Xbox, Wii consoles representing ~5 million APU sales. AMD has delivered an excellent tablet APU and is expanding it's market base into numerous areas in addition to their current desktop, laptop and server product lines.

They still have a lot of work to do to get back to regular quarterly profits as they have done in the past. As long as they keep delivering excellent products and consumer value they will be around for another 40 years. Their lead in APUs has proven that the purchase of ATI was a very good strategic decision and wise investment, which is now starting to show exponential returns.
 
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