Please help! Having problems w/ PowerColor Radeon HD4650 AGP!

Dimension · Jun 5, 2013

My problems are twofold: I have a system that's dualbooting Win2K & WinXP. In 2000, I have the monumental task of trying to find some Win2K drivers that will allow me some rudimentary kind of performance out of the PwrColor Radeon HD 4650, so I can get out of 640x480! Can't believe there aren't some generic Microsoft drivers that would give me better resolution than THAT!! I could swear there were with Win98! :cry:

And in XP, although I've got nice resolution, no matter what I do, every time when I start WinXP, I get this ATI error message "Could not load file or assembly `MOM.Implementation' or one of its dependencies. The system could not find the file specified."
And if I try to load/run Catalyst, I always get this ATI error message "Could not load file or assembly `CLI.Implementation' or one of its dependencies. The system could not find the file specified." :banghead:

Any assistance you could offer would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!

shovenose · Jun 5, 2013

on the xp install .net framework 4 and 3.5

Dimension · Jun 5, 2013

Still getting same messages on XP after installing .Net 4, any ideas about Win2K?

:confused:

I'm still getting the same ATI error messages after installing .Net 4 on XP..... any ideas about 2000? All the drivers I've been trying, when you point Win2K to the .inf file, the Models box (model of card) keeps coming up blank.... frustrating!! :confused:

I hope you can help me.... I'd sure appreciate it!! :respect:

Thanks!

Dimension · Jun 6, 2013

never mind 2000... resolved that issue... still need help with XP though... PLEASE

Dimension said:
I'm still getting the same ATI error messages after installing .Net 4 on XP..... any ideas about 2000? All the drivers I've been trying, when you point Win2K to the .inf file, the Models box (model of card) keeps coming up blank.... frustrating!!

I hope you can help me.... I'd sure appreciate it!! Thanks!

Never mind 2000... resolved that issue w/http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbemp.htm...
Still need help with XP though... PLEASE!?! :respect:

Law-II · Jun 7, 2013

Hi

HD 4650 is a legacy device and may not be compatible with the *latest drivers Catalyst 13.4

try drivers from here - Latest AMD Catalyst™ Drivers for Radeon™ HD 4000, HD 3000, HD 2000 Series + Agp XP 32-Bit XP 64-Bit

Source - http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/downloads.aspx

Edit: Catalyst 13.1 [13 = Year & 1 = Month it was released] Month the driver was released is the important part.

atb (all the best)

Law-II

Dimension · Jun 7, 2013

Hi, Law-II, Catalyst 13 IS what I have installed... I thought that WAS the newest!!

TRWOV · Jun 7, 2013

For XP these are the drivers you need: http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/downloads/?pid=275&psn=0006&lid=1&os=1

Download 12.4, 12.6 doesn't work.

edit: Didn't see that there were 13.1 drivers for AGP cards. Testing.

edit2: They don't work. 12.4 it is.

Dimension · Jun 14, 2013

Thank you, TRWOV!

However, everything is not exactly perfect...
I loaded 12.4, everything worked perfectly & beautifully, and then when I restarted, after restart,
it came up in 640x480x16 color mode with some message about the driver being for an older OS or some such thing?? (I get that msg when I go into DisplayProperties)
Weird... and if I use a different driver, I get a different kind of problem... :confused:

The only time everything works great is after I install the 1 driver, and before I restart.... ??

TRWOV · Jun 14, 2013

What board are you using? What message is shown in the device properties in Device Manager?

Law-II · Jun 14, 2013

Hi

*Maybe HOT FIX

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx

"No compatible hardware found" error message appears when using the AMD Catalyst drivers provided on the AMD Graphics Drivers & Software page."

Source - http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx

nb: if you get a chance next time you are logged in go to UserCP and fill in system specs; hardware brandnames and OS inc service pack info for XP

atb

Law-II

TRWOV · Jun 14, 2013

Those 12.6 drivers are the legacy drivers, not the AGP hotfix, if you go to the 12.6 legacy driver page the download link is the same. I've sent several messages to AMD but they haven't put up the correct link for some reason.

The latest AGP hotfix drivers are 12.4. They are available at Sapphire's website.

m1dg3t · Jun 14, 2013

12.4's are the newest drivers i got working for my cousin on his AGP box, running Xp 32 bit though. Getting them installed/working was a RPITA though! :banghead:

You can try and grab drivers from where ever you like, but 12.4s will be the only ones that work. Unless Ati/AMD did some work over the last few months for legacy users? :laugh:

Black.Raven · Jun 14, 2013

have you tried driversweep then install 12.4 again?

Dimension · Jun 14, 2013

Thanks so much to all for all the great ideas!

Thanks so much to all for all the great ideas!
Strangely enough, though (although from my perspective, I don't remember doing anything ANY Different than what I had done previously), Round 3 (I've taken to calling my attempts at making everything work good Rounds (the ones where Catalyst work, anyway,
which is all the recent ones ever since TRWOV's great tip got it working) seems to be working & sticking!
Ever since I (couldn't have done it w/out ya) got Catalyst working, I'm leaving IT ALONE....
not touching it... not taking any chances on messing it up again...
I restarted & it didn't come up in 16color this time! Apparently, from what Catalyst is telling me, the secret to my success this time may have something to do with the fact I used a newer Direct3D driver? Because all the other version #s are the same as round 1, but it's working better this time post-restart... only difference is a newer Direct3D driver.... hmm....

Anyway, time will tell... thanks again, & I'll see if I can put in some additional system info for you guys...

Dimension · Jun 14, 2013

TRWOV said:
What board are you using? What message is shown in the device properties in Device Manager?

Regarding device mgr, I basically have 2 drivers for the display adapter that Windows likes- for the ATI Radeon HD...
It doesn't like the ATI Radeon HD 4650 driver I have, what it does like is I have 2 drivers that Just say ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series & nothing else, I get a yellow ! or whatever on the 2nd one in device manager, so I've been sticking with the 1st one, that's the one I'm having the good luck with right now... no device mgr yellow on it... all good in there... will let you know if it starts acting up again...

Ketxxx · Jun 14, 2013

For your issue to be fixed on XP (this is how I fixed it anyway) uninstall all ATI drivers, install .NET 4.0, reinstall ATI drivers.

Dimension · Jun 16, 2013

Guess I spoke too soon...

I guess I spoke too soon... it 16colored again... :banghead:

BTW, I Did install .NET v4.... !

Peter1986C · Jun 16, 2013

Dimension said:
BTW, I Did install .NET v4, whatever that has to do with video drivers.... ??

Certain versions of the Catalyst Control Center use .NET, I guess that is why.

My take on the solution, within Windows XP (I cannot assist you with Windows 2000 yet, let's say "first things first").
First uninstall the current drivers and use the registry cleaner in CCleaner. Reboot the computer, and install
the Powercolor HD 4600 series driver for 32-bit Windows XP.

TRWOV · Jun 16, 2013

The AGP hotfix drivers already have the .net 2 framework installer which is what that particular version of Catalyst needs.

Dimension, what are your system specs? I'd like to know what board are you using. Can you post a screenshot of the device manager when the screen is in 16bit color? Also the 4650 properties (right click, properties). With all the problems you're having I think you're using a SiS based board or something.

Dimension · Jun 18, 2013

I already solved my Win2000 problem, thanks anyway!

Chevalr1c said:
Certain versions of the Catalyst Control Center use .NET, I guess that is why.

My take on the solution, within Windows XP (I cannot assist you with Windows 2000 yet, let's say "first things first").
First uninstall the current drivers and use the registry cleaner in CCleaner. Reboot the computer, and install
the Powercolor HD 4600 series driver for 32-bit Windows XP.

I already solved my Win2000 problem, thanks anyway!

Chevalric, what all does that registry cleaner clean out, anyway?
*respectfully appreciative yet apprehensive*

Also, C., I need the username & password login authentication to access that driver file...

Thanks!

Dimension · Jun 18, 2013

I entered my SystemSpecs best I could into UserCP- are you unable to see them?

TRWOV said:
The AGP hotfix drivers already have the .net 2 framework installer which is what that particular version of Catalyst needs.

Dimension, what are your system specs? I'd like to know what board are you using. Can you post a screenshot of the device manager when the screen is in 16bit color? Also the 4650 properties (right click, properties). With all the problems you're having I think you're using a SiS based board or something.

The system specs should be under my name & stuff on the left in my posts....

It's a Dell Dimension 4600i w/ a Intel Springdale (i)865PE or 865G chipset...
don't think it's SiS... see link below to srvc. manual...

ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-prod...ktops/dimension-4600_service manual_en-us.pdf

Do I have to have it in 16color when I give you the 4650 properties? It's running good for the moment...

Peter1986C · Jun 19, 2013

Dimension said:
Chevalric, what all does that registry cleaner clean out, anyway?
*respectfully appreciative yet apprehensive*

It deletes entries in the Windows Registry, that might be left behind after the de-installation of programs. In this case I suggested to do this because of old junk of previous driver installs might muck up the new driver install. If you don't trust that program, you could try to skip that step.

Dimension said:
Also, C., I need the username & password login authentication to access that driver file...

There should be no password, because the druiver download link is public (from the Powercolour website).

Dimension · Jun 19, 2013

It's an FTP link.... so, what, I login with Guest & just hit enter for the password?

Chevalr1c said:
It deletes entries in the Windows Registry, that might be left behind after the de-installation of programs. In this case I suggested to do this because of old junk of previous driver installs might muck up the new driver install. If you don't trust that program, you could try to skip that step.

There should be no password, because the driver download link is public (from the Powercolour website).

I understand why you suggested it... I was just curious how it knows what to delete... I might try it...

It's an FTP link.... so, what, I login with Guest & just leave the password field blank?
A window is popping up requesting I login for Authentication....

wait, with the login box still up, I may still have gotten it in the background with my dnld mgr....
can you verify the filesize of the zip file?

Peter1986C · Jun 19, 2013

Do not use download managers, those fuck up that stuff all the time. Assuming you only download one thing at a time you should be able to download the zip file with your web browser (I assume you are using a dial-up or ISDN connection, else you would not bother using a download.

The size of the file is 59 MiB.

Dimension · Jun 19, 2013

Yeah, I got it... using DSL... finally... just recently switched over from dialup

Chevalr1c said:
Do not use download managers, those fuck up that stuff all the time. Assuming you only download one thing at a time you should be able to download the zip file with your web browser (I assume you are using a dial-up or ISDN connection, else you would not bother using a download.

The size of the file is 59 MiB.

Yeah, I got it... using DSL... finally... just recently switched over from dialup...

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