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There's nothing to not like about the 8350. Power consumption is around 10% less compared to the 1100t (3.3Ghz) and to top it off, it has two extra cores. Compared to my X6 @ 3.9Ghz, WUs take slightly longer on the 8350 to complete (about 15-20 min more) but since you're doing 8 at a time the FX has the upper hand.

The downside is that, based on some reviews I've seen, power consumption grows exponentially with overclocking. A 10% OC would increase power consumption by 20%, at 5Ghz (25% OC) you'd be looking at a 70% increase (see FX-9590). Running them stock is the sensible approach if you plan on crunching 24/7.
 
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There's nothing to not like about the 8350. Power consumption is around 10% less compared to the 1100t (3.3Ghz) and to top it off, it has two extra cores. Compared to my X6 @ 3.9Ghz, WUs take slightly longer on the 8350 to complete (about 15-20 min more) but since you're doing 8 at a time the FX has the upper hand.

The downside is that, based on some reviews I've seen, power consumption grows exponentially with overclocking. A 10% OC would increase power consumption by 20%, at 5Ghz (25% OC) you'd be looking at a 70% increase (see FX-9590). Running them stock is the sensible approach if you plan on crunching 24/7.

It seems I've been hitting my thanks button too much since the forums seems to have taken it away from me. I really appreciate the insight though (despite my lack of thanks-button-pushing).

I've heard of the FX's quickly increasing power consumption when overclocking. I'm mostly concerned about managing the heat though since my house isn't air conditioned, although it shouldn't be too long before it's under water. The next question is if it's worth $200. I guess I wouldn't be losing the X6, but it would likely go to my father who doesn't like distributed computing.

Comparing Norton's 8350 + overclock to mine. (Hope you don't mind me nabbing your statistics, Norton.)

Explanation:
Comb. MHz: Cores * Clock speed
avg/mhz: Clock for clock, which one's faster overall.
avg/mhz/core: Clock for clock, which has better single-threaded performance.


I'm kind of comparing this to an eBay Phenom II X6 which, I believe, is somewhere around $100 - $150.
 
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From my experience: with the FX, the power consumption is like an ocean floor - first it gets deeper slowly, then when Ya reach the end of the shelf - BAM! It suddenly gets insanely deep.
In my FX-8320, the breaking point is 4.1 GHZ. Going past that requires voltages which seem to start producing A LOT of leakage, and thus, power consumption starts skyrocketing.
 
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I want a steam roller cpu... Forget the 8350.
 
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What James888 said.
 
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I cannot upload either.
 
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Is it just me? I cant upload and WCG home page is dead. I'm in Cairo.....

I cannot upload either. I'm in Mongolia. Does it matter?

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I know what happens in Cairo.. Are you OK?

Edit 2.0
"WCG currently offline due to a severe storm in the Toronto, CA area where the servers are hosted."
http://boincstats.com/en/forum/14/1431,2163
Thanks Norton.
 
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I cannot upload either. I'm in Mongolia. Does it matter?

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I know what happens in Cairo.. Are you OK?

I'm in the airport now...so yes happy camper here
 

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Temps are running around 45C for the rig but the A880GZ board doesn't really read temps all that well. The case is well ventilated w/plenty of fans and it's running a Xig Gaia on the chip. In this weather, I would only run the 1045T rigs here.

@manofthem- yeah it gets pretty hot/humid here but it doesn't stay like it does where you are.... at the most we get this weather for 2-3 week spells and 6 months from now it could be -5F with a -30F wind chill BRRRrrrr!!!!

@xvi- I have a set of the Xig adapters to turn that cooler to blow out the back of the case if your interested ;)
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Well, that's not bad at all. My 2600k on WC is at ~60C, but admittedly is OCed as well. Would the FX8 CPUs not handle the heat?
Switched some GPUs around today to make them run cooler and whatnot, and diagnose why the 2600K rig likes to lock up. My mATX 3770K has seemingly memory related issues as well, as I remote in and WCG and F@H "have stopped working" so I pulled the 7770 and GTX 660Ti out of it and put in the GTX 470. Perhaps the 530w PSU was overworked, but we'll see.
You're having the worst of luck :(
If you end up needing a new power supply, I can look and see what I have. I know that I have a 350w, as useless as that would be, but may have a 550/650 as well.
I think that the power saving features is what is crashing my Mint crunchers. When crashed I've found them either with the screen turned off or with a drm_panic.

I think that the driver sometime fails to turn off/on the screen and crashes right there.

Is there anyway to make setterm stick? I've found some ways but they are for other distros and Mint doesn't seem to be setup the same way (I can't find the files they refer to).


edit: NVM: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.ph...ng#DPMS_Interaction_in_a_console_with_setterm
I tend to just turn off power saving features on my crunchers. I don't remember if I did on the Mint system, but I've had no crashes on it...
AMD specific perhaps?
Xigmatek Crossbow? Got it already, but thanks! Originally had it pointed towards the back in my old case, but moved it back since the Phantom has a large exhaust fan up top. Wasn't sure if the orientation made any difference.


I've been curious to know how a FX 8350/8150 at average overclock would stack up against my X6. I've been looking for people who seem to have both a Phenom II and a FX crunching (TRWOV, Norton, Mad_Shot) and trying to find PPD via hosts (Norton's, for example). Norton's sig says an FX 8350 4.4GHz for 7 Day Average of 5,346. That certainly beats my X6's 4,180 by ~27.8%. So what's the general consensus on FX processors for crunching? Good value? How hard was it to get those speeds, Norton?
Check out my PPD estimator? ;)
From what I've seen, the ~4.2-4.5GHz is really easy to get. 4.5-5 requires much more in the way of cooling, but also doable. The AMD FX8s are pretty sweet for WCG from what I've seen (albeit the power usage isn't as good as the i7s)
I'm in the airport now...so yes happy camper here

Glad to hear that you're safe! :toast:
 
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Xigmatek Crossbow? Got it already, but thanks! Originally had it pointed towards the back in my old case, but moved it back since the Phantom has a large exhaust fan up top. Wasn't sure if the orientation made any difference.


I've been curious to know how a FX 8350/8150 at average overclock would stack up against my X6. I've been looking for people who seem to have both a Phenom II and a FX crunching (TRWOV, Norton, Mad_Shot) and trying to find PPD via hosts (Norton's, for example). Norton's sig says an FX 8350 4.4GHz for 7 Day Average of 5,346. That certainly beats my X6's 4,180 by ~27.8%. So what's the general consensus on FX processors for crunching? Good value? How hard was it to get those speeds, Norton?

To me I see an increase in ppd with the FX compared to the PhII's. Especially when they are both at stock clocks. The Fx will wipe the floor with the x6's. It's a 2k+ ppd difference. The only PhII rig I have that can come close is my overclocked 1090t. With the fx at stock speeds they trade blows with the Fx taking the lead most days by about 500 ppd or so. Now if I ramp up the fx then it would take down the 1090t easily. Whether it's worth it is up to you. I feel I made a great purchase. And I am thinking of replacing my 2x 1055t and 970BE rig with Fx's.
 

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To me I see an increase in ppd with the FX compared to the PhII's. Especially when they are both at stock clocks. The Fx will wipe the floor with the x6's. It's a 2k+ ppd difference. The only PhII rig I have that can come close is my overclocked 1090t. With the fx at stock speeds they trade blows with the Fx taking the lead most days by about 500 ppd or so. Now if I ramp up the fx then it would take down the 1090t easily. Whether it's worth it is up to you. I feel I made a great purchase. And I am thinking of replacing my 2x 1055t and 970BE rig with Fx's.

That seems to be the consensus with the FX-8350. I haven't seen anyone complain about the chips stock performance and most would buy another one.... I know cuz I did! :D

@xvi- Don't follow the ppd vs clock on the 8350 in my main rig too closely. The clock speed has been changed a few times since installed.

FYI- It's been at 4.2Ghz and under 1.3v for the last month or so- It ran 4.4Ghz initially and runs 100% fine at that speed but I turned it down for the Summer to keep the heat from 3 rigs running at home under control.
 

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That seems to be the consensus with the FX-8350. I haven't seen anyone complain about the chips stock performance and most would buy another one.... I know cuz I did! :D

@xvi- Don't follow the ppd vs clock on the 8350 in my main rig too closely. The clock speed has been changed a few times since installed.

FYI- It's been at 4.2Ghz and under 1.3v for the last month or so- It ran 4.4Ghz initially and runs 100% fine at that speed but I turned it down for the Summer to keep the heat from 3 rigs running at home under control.

Yeah, you guys are making me want one now :p
I just wish that there was a way to stick two of them together--I'd like to have more output from fewer systems...
 
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I just wish that there was a way to stick two of them together--I'd like to have more output from fewer systems...

Actually, I was thinking of doing such a thing. In case I manage to snatch a dual-socket [server] mobo for a reasonable price :laugh:
But decided to wait for steamroller to go on with such a thing.
 
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DSFL seems to be over.
 

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DSFL seems to be over.

Yup, it went on intermittent yesterday or the day before. We're down to just two projects now, and I don't like that :(
 
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Yup, it went on intermittent yesterday or the day before. We're down to just two projects now, and I don't like that :(

I hear you. Me too:shadedshu
 
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I don't it either. As a team do we have a plan for if work runs out even for a short while?
 

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I don't it either. As a team do we have a plan for if work runs out even for a short while?

Panic. That and enjoy a room that isn't perpetually hot and loud :p
 
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I don't it either. As a team do we have a plan for if work runs out even for a short while?

I'm waiting for a plan of senior members too.:ohwell:
 

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Motherboard Asrock X570 Extreme4- MSI X570S Tomahawk MAX WiFi- MSI B450M Bazooka Max and etc...
Cooling Noctua NH-U14S (dual fan)- EK 360 AIO with push/pull fans- Corsair H115i RGB Pro XT and etc...
Memory 2x16GB GSkill FlareX 3200/c14- 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3600/c16- 2x16GB Team 3600/c18 and etc..
Video Card(s) MSI Gaming RX 6800- Asus RTX 3070 TUF OC- MSI Ventus GTX 1660Ti and etc...
Storage Main PC (1TB WD SN850- 2TB PNY CS 3040- 2TB Seagate Firecuda) and etc...
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Mouse G300s
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VR HMD N/A
Software Windows 10 Pro or Ubuntu
Benchmark Scores Why sit on the Bench when you can get in the game and Crunch!!!
I'm waiting for a plan of senior members too.:ohwell:

I'm thinking/hoping WCG will roll out a fresh project or at least some beta projects before too long.... hopefully within the next month or so.

If not, we will need to look at some of the other projects and see if there is something that all/most of us are willing to move our resources to.

Maybe we should consider starting a "what if" new project discussion thread
 

[Ion]

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I'm thinking/hoping WCG will roll out a fresh project or at least some beta projects before too long.... hopefully within the next month or so.

If not, we will need to look at some of the other projects and see if there is something that all/most of us are willing to move our resources to.

Maybe we should consider starting a "what if" new project discussion thread

I would be astonished if we don't get another project soon. If we don't, and WCG does eventually run out of work, then I'll transition my resources to our Folding@home team.
 

stinger608

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Maybe we should consider starting a "what if" new project discussion thread

Start a gaming clan. :roll:

Seriously I think your right Norton. We should probably at least start a discussion on what the team could do.
 
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Start a gaming clan. :roll:

I'm in! :laugh:


(meanwhile, still trying to get an invite to the TPU Gayming Steam group and failing miserably at it, lol)
 
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