Microsoft not recommending their own Anti Virus

[VulkanBros]

ah i see, rather than upload the files its just uploading the hash and going from there.

kaspersky has a similar thing, but also traditional known bad files and heuristics.

You need to update to KIS 2014 - it is smoother on your system - if your specs are correct

 

[TheMailMan78]

No surprise here ive been telling people this for yrs now. Now its even come from the horses mouth!!

I guess its better then not running a AV at all? but why use a "ok" antivirus when there are better free ones out there? just doesn't make sense to me There free FFS. Even bitdeffender now has there own free anti virus and bit defender is dam good, so go use it!!

Except that's not what MS said?

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Still a bit interesting that this article has released right after MSE has a spree of awful reviews in Anti Virus ratings.

 

[rhino]

Huh, I didn't know there was a user that was actually called Rhino, I was talking about Easy Rhino.

I was wondering.

 

[Easy Rhino]

I'm surprised Rhino hasn't chimed in.

I was wondering.

i am the ONE TRUE rhino.

MSE is balls bad. Just upgrade to Linux.

 

[Frick]

MSE is balls bad. Just upgrade to Linux.

Sigh.

 

[erixx]

well, inspired by this exciting thread, I did 3 full scans today.

MSE always finds one cracked dll i have for some old program. BitDefender Free found some other crack or no-cd for games and a Java exploit. Panda Cloud then found two other things, apart from reporting "doubleclick cookies". (these two latest AV softwares are TOP finishers in the review mentioned above.)
Conclusion: none finds all.

A bit personal: Why do I do this. Also because Spamcop recently denies some of my business emails, not all, but it worries me, and their help "desk" (wtf) says it is infection. I have never noticed any weird behavior on my pc (overclocking aside, haha) , but a test or two can't harm. Maybe Spamcop blacklists me because sometimes I write 20 emails in 1 hour?

 

[Ravenas]

There is so much misinformation in this thread it melts the mind.

I think the thread has some points. The OP is taking the source out of context. MSE is a very valuable program.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

i am the one true rhino.

Mse is balls bad. Just upgrade downgrade to linux.

fixed

 

[Melvis]

Except that's not what MS said?

You need Glasses....

 

[TheMailMan78]

You need Glasses....

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2991925&postcount=2

 

[Ikaruga]

Except that's not what MS said?

But the problem is that MSE is the worst performer against real life 0 day threats from all. They are suggesting that you should run it as a base defense and put something on the top of it to secure your system, which is nonsensical, since you would just waste resources for absolutely nothing, (even if it requires very little resources indeed). It must be noted that I do have similar thoughts about the other free AV products, but MSE just got so bad, it has it's own rock-bottom category now imho.

 

[Melvis]

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2991925&postcount=2

Realy?

http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goo...w-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/

 

[odameyer]

Haven't had viruses since the XP and limewire/kazaa days

I torrent heavily all sorts of software and don't catch anything with MSE installed

For the tech illiterates who are using shady streaming sites and downloading WATCHNOWFREETHEWALKINGDEADSEASON3.EXE Malwarebytes Pro is great to add. But ubuntu/mint without root password would work even better

 

[remixedcat]

MSE has HUGE CPU spikes all the time on my mom's laptop she made me get rid of it LOL

 

[Betunink]

Mine is AVG Free Antivirus, another recommendation is avast! Free Antivirus.

 

[Veeshush]

Most stuff these days are browser exploits, mainly from outdated plugins like Java and Adobe's junk. You can browse a a well known and previous clean site and get hit with something, though it's still rare for big name sites. Email and general web spam is still the main source for a lot of malicious stuff. Not keeping up with other software updates, such as Windows Update is another cause of infection- zero days really don't mean much when they can rely on 4 year old holes to exploit.

Microsoft Security Essentials is probably worse than AVG free. In fact, both of them take forever to register new threats I've uploaded to VirusTotal- sometimes they're about a week to a month behind everyone else's definition list.

ESET and Kaspersky are my top picks. Avast, BitDefender, Emsisoft, and GData are a few others that are pretty good with detection ratios. Malwarebytes isn't bad as a free scan.

For free scans Hitmanpro is my goto.

edit

Actually, I take back what I said about Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free from a detection standpoint. I just uploaded a virus sample and they did both pick it up within a half a day.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Actually, I take back what I said about Microsoft Security Essentials and AVG free from a detection standpoint. I just uploaded a virus sample and they did both pick it up within a half a day.

You don't say?! Could be because most of those "better" companies use MSE MAPS reports now.

I have had every single scanner pick something up on an infected system that the other one miss. Artificial tests are pretty much useless. Its like GPU companies tweaking their drivers to run best in 3DMark and forgetting about games. NOTHING blocks stupidity. However the most basic and effective/non-intrusive ant-virus cocktail you can run is MSE+Malwarebytes. If you pick something up with one of the those then follow it up with a safe-boot scan in Hitman Pro and maybe Kaspersky rescue disk.

I swear did anyone actually read the damn article? Newtek put this thread to bed on the second post.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You don't say?! Could be because most of those "better" companies use MSE MAPS now.

You, stop shouting 8.1's praises,,, your innate optimism caused me a full format not long ago

And no its wasnt my fault, sure was not your's either but wow I'm begrudgingly using win8.1 atm and hybrid physx is a definate no go on 8.1 i may have to sort some dual boot joy out for the new batman now.

 

[TheMailMan78]

You, stop shouting 8.1's praises,,, your innate optimism caused me a full format not long ago

And no its wasnt my fault, sure was not your's either but wow I'm begrudgingly using win8.1 atm and hybrid physx is a definate no go on 8.1 i may have to sort some dual boot joy out for the new batman now.

You got a PM.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

hybrid PhysX? You mean ATI/NIVIDIA setup in one rig?

yes, i did have it working fine on 7, with some config file messing about required for some games but 8 just annoyingly BSDS every error, 7 just crashed the game not the system, too annoying to keep trying beyond 10 or so test iterations per install

You don't say?! Could be because most of those "better" companies use MSE MAPS reports now.

I have had every single scanner pick something up on an infected system that the other one miss. Artificial tests are pretty much useless. Its like GPU companies tweaking their drivers to run best in 3DMark and forgetting about games. NOTHING blocks stupidity. However the most basic and effective/non-intrusive ant-virus cocktail you can run is MSE+Malwarebytes. If you pick something up with one of the those then follow it up with a safe-boot scan in Hitman Pro and maybe Kaspersky rescue disk.

I swear did anyone actually read the damn article? Newtek put this thread to bed on the second post.

have to say Id never heard of hitman pro but will try but I wasn't keen on googling hitman pro

are you backing that over say avast then MM i switched from AVG to avast free obv, as i thought it better but did use SE+malwarebytes funnily enough for years, but i had a minor episode of it deleting things i wanted (physx mod 1.5ff for eg) and switched but i did like SE.

 

[Veeshush]

You don't say?! Could be because most of those "better" companies use MSE MAPS reports now.

VirusTotal too plays a huge role in sharing new virus samples (which is also where I uploaded the sample), so anything someone is lucky enough to upload usually gets shared to the 49 (or whatever) AVs that are a part of VT. Even so, when I first uploaded the sample ESET and Kaspersky had already picked it up. And I know, I know, they say on the VT site "don't use it to compare AVs" but, hell, it's always Kaspersky in the lead and I'd say that anyway.

have to say Id never heard of hitman pro but will try but I wasn't keen on googling hitman pro

HitmanPro is really good, it's actually a combined scanner that uses "Dr Web, Emsisoft Anti-Malware, G Data AntiVirus, BitDefender and now IKARUS". It also uploads any suspicious new files to their scan cloud (which I've found also helps spread detection of new threats).

 

[Drone]

Why Microsoft Doesn't Need Independent Antivirus Lab Tests

Nice read

 

[Ahhzz]

Eh, I've got no use for toolbars, and identity protection and all that crap anyway. For our clients, we run NIS and MBAM Pro. For the ones trying to save money and get by, then the MSE/defender route, with a side of MBAM trial.

 

[digibucc]

mse + mbam + sas is the best, lightweight combination for my soho pcs