R600's secret weapon revealed

[manson_ze]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38714

 

[mandelore]

Hmm, interesting

 

[tkpenalty]

w00t R600 Sound /PPU/GPU/CAD PU/HDMI/HD/Theatre/Stream Card!!!!!!!

 

[flexy]

w00t R600 Sound /PPU/GPU/CAD PU/HDMI/HD/Theatre/Stream Card!!!!!!!

somehow this doesnt make sense..am i the only one thinking that ? I for sure wont get me an R600 because of its sound capabilities...and a DECENT Audigy 2 OEM etc. you can get for like $30

 

[DrunkenMafia]

oooh more heat.... yay, I knew the new ati card wouldn't be hot enough by itself.. LOL

 

[BXtreme]

the whole article is trying to say G8xxx sucks ?!? At most lines i.e
I don't believe these types of articles where one says the other sucks
imo, this feature maybe good, but doesn't look like a 'eye-catching' thing :\
Also, they don't know what the 8900 series will hold
So, stop the R600 rumours plz....

 

[Jimmy 2004]

Why would you want a sound card built into your graphics card... just get an external PCI card - if you can notice the difference between this and onboard, then you probably want something like an X-Fi anyway.

 

[devguy]

Why would you want a sound card built into your graphics card... just get an external PCI card - if you can notice the difference between this and onboard, then you probably want something like an X-Fi anyway.

Did you not read the article? Having both sound and video going through an HDCP compliant stream is sufficiently acceptable in Windows Vista. You're right, in XP it'd be pointless, but in Vista, it makes good sense.

Besides, are you fully aware of the status of Creative's Vista drivers? I have an Audigy and support is lousy, and the X-Fi isn't much better...

 

[Ketxxx]

Vista is the most piss poor excuse for an OS since winME. I wouldnt run Vista if I was PAID to. Combine this with the fact MS themselves have said their next iteration of Vista is likely ready to ship as early as 2008, the current Vista is practically already dead in the water heh.

 

[Steevo]

But there are those out there that will start gagging on the figurative sausage for this thing.




I still like my SPDIF, and DVI separate thank you very much. And the fact that DRM is going to die, weather it be through the media manufacturers or through apps we make.



I still don't get HDMIs purpose other than to shove DRM down our throats, is is supposedly better than DVI?

 

[overcast]

I still don't get HDMIs purpose other than to shove DRM down our throats, is is supposedly better than DVI?

HDMI is DVI with the ability to pass audio over the same wire. It supports PCM streams as well as the new HD Audio formats and everything in between. Rather than 9 Video and Audio cables, you now have ONE. It's a big deal. So get off the DRM whiners bandwagon and read up on the standards before making assumptions. SPDIF has no bandwidth for anything but old and inferior audio standards.

 

[WarEagleAU]

This is actually an awesome thing. Im glad someone is saying R600 is better than GV8X. I mean, we all know all the Nvidia fanbois have been crying about Nvidia being the first with DX10 cards out (we all know it, its on these boards plenty). However, the fact that they have integrated sound is a neat feature. Sure, Nvidia may not be able to do it, but they concentrate on graphics. If a user wants to watch HDTV on their pc, its up to them to come up with it. Anywho, nifty little thing ATI has going on. Also, HDMI is a better picture than DVI. Couple that with the fact that it carries audio, and one cable for everything is alot better than the tangle mess of wires I got coming in an out of my dvd player, tv, receiver and xbox 360. The video codecs and sound codecs with the HDMI is lossless and excellent. I can tell a huge difference over DVI and Component.

 

[Zalmann]

Now, if they can just integrate a motherboard into that video card...... hmmm.

 

[unsmart]

If it's true, I think it will most likely be an option like VIVO. Just can't see this being across the board standard for partners. I don't get why there not going the GPGPU route with it the code is already out. I suppose the audio rendering might slow the card down to much. Anyway, just hope they leave it up to OEMs on what audio chip they use

 

[W1zzard]

the whole sound thingy is about adding HDMI with audio to the board. also it is a possible added benefit over nvidia's cards .. if the implementation is right

 

[Steevo]

HDMI is DVI with the ability to pass audio over the same wire. It supports PCM streams as well as the new HD Audio formats and everything in between. Rather than 9 Video and Audio cables, you now have ONE. It's a big deal. So get off the DRM whiners bandwagon and read up on the standards before making assumptions. SPDIF has no bandwidth for anything but old and inferior audio standards.

Such as 7.1 96K?


Two cables. DVI and SPDIF Fiber optic.


And so far as DRM, it sucks, plain and simple. Everyone knows it.

 

[Zalmann]

Or they can integrate audio directly into the VC. It may take a bit more real-estate on the card itself, but integration wise, would make it a try multi-media card, and not just a VC.

 

[overcast]

Such as 7.1 96K?


Two cables. DVI and SPDIF Fiber optic.


And so far as DRM, it sucks, plain and simple. Everyone knows it.

What does 7.1 96K have to do with anything? Fiber optic can't handle new audio standards, end of story.

So have you ever downloaded ANY piece of software, music without purchasing it? There's your answer as to why DRM exists. You're part of the reason. You honestly believe companies want to invest tons of money into implementing it , as well as dealing with all the issues? Stop complaining.

 

[Mediocre]

I admit to a lack of knowledge when it comes to most of this stuff, BUT...

DRM was developed because people were (and still are) STEALING.

Remeber Napster circa '98?

I listen to mp3's, have a library, and PAID for every track (usually by the CD). It's these thieves that RUINED it for everybody.

If you don't like DRM its probably your own damn fault it was invented (IMO)

 

[hat]

I think it's neat
Check specs, I'm an nvidia owner

 

[Steevo]

What does 7.1 96K have to do with anything? Fiber optic can't handle new audio standards, end of story.

So have you ever downloaded ANY piece of software, music without purchasing it? There's your answer as to why DRM exists. You're part of the reason. You honestly believe companies want to invest tons of money into implementing it , as well as dealing with all the issues? Stop complaining.

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/SOUND-CARD/REALTEK/REALTEK-High-Definition-Audio-Driver-159.shtml
All DACs and ADCs supports 44.1k/48k/96k/192kHz sample rate
* 16/20/24-bit S/PDIF-OUT supports 44.1k/48k/96k/192kHz sample rate
* 16/20/24-bit S/PDIF-IN supports 44.1k/48k/96k/192kHz sample rate

Whoops.



SPDIF in and out.


damn.


So lets see.


HDMI = one cable with DRM.
DVI + SPDIF = two cable and no DRM issues.



And for the record I have downloaded all my legal bound music from MSN music or other reputable sources. When friends mix stuff and record it it isn't DRM bound. I just get pissed when I try to play a DVD through my PC and as there is no DRM control offered on some outputs, and thus the DVD won't play, I have to ask who is responsible for the hassle when I have paid thousands of dollars to have nice things to play a goddamn movie or some music, but I cannot?


Well.



Fuck DRM.

 

[overcast]

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/SOUND-CARD/REALTEK/REALTEK-High-Definition-Audio-Driver-159.shtml
All DACs and ADCs supports 44.1k/48k/96k/192kHz sample rate
* 16/20/24-bit S/PDIF-OUT supports 44.1k/48k/96k/192kHz sample rate
* 16/20/24-bit S/PDIF-IN supports 44.1k/48k/96k/192kHz sample rate

Whoops.



SPDIF in and out.


damn.


So lets see.


HDMI = one cable with DRM.
DVI + SPDIF = two cable and no DRM issues.



And for the record I have downloaded all my legal bound music from MSN music or other reputable sources. When friends mix stuff and record it it isn't DRM bound. I just get pissed when I try to play a DVD through my PC and as there is no DRM control offered on some outputs, and thus the DVD won't play, I have to ask who is responsible for the hassle when I have paid thousands of dollars to have nice things to play a goddamn movie or some music, but I cannot?


Well.



Fuck DRM.

Thank you for those specs, you still have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. What does the sampling rates have to do with anything we are talking about. Congratulations, you are taking an audio source, sampling it, and outputting optical. YOU CAN NOT USE OPTICAL FOR ANY OF THE NEW AUDIO FORMATS. But if you are satisfied with poor quality audio from optical, more power to you.