MY FIRST "GAMING PC"

[LeonVolcove]

Hello guys

I was looking for advice to build my first gaming pc

I browsing the internet and i found AMD APU Kaveri

is it good?how much it perform?

for budget i have $700(monitor + OS included)

I gaming for 1080p medium setting acceptable for me not really a hardcore gamer

light multitasking(downloading film or music while gaming)

Any advice will help

Thanks You and sorry for my bad english

 

[Frick]

Kaveri is not out yet, so we don't know. Battlefield 4 will be bundled with it though, so they think highly of it. I read somewhere that it is supposed to run BF4 on 1080p on medium settings just fine. But again, it's not out yet. I have no idea when it comes out.

 

[TRWOV]

A10-7700K and A10-7850K will hit the streets on Jan 14th. DDR3-2133 memory will be the standard.

The graphics performance would be similar to a HD7750 DDR3 since the A10s are going to have 512 GCN cores (same as HD7750).

BTW, where are you from? $700 will get you different things depending where you live.

 

[HD64G]

Yes, Kaveri may be a nice choice for you, but you need to wait 1 or 2 weeks. Price will be nice too, so with $700 you will have a sensible build for the kind of jobs you want it to handle.

 

[Rowsol]

For the price http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0095VP8D4/?tag=tec06d-20 can't be beat.

The upcoming one is worth waiting for though to see what kinda price/performance it gets.

 

[LeonVolcove]

A10-7700K and A10-7850K will hit the streets on Jan 14th. DDR3-2133 memory will be the standard.

The graphics performance would be similar to a HD7750 DDR3 since the A10s are going to have 512 GCN cores (same as HD7750).

BTW, where are you from? $700 will get you different things depending where you live.

I live in Indonesia and i plan to use that PC for 4-5 work and game maybe i will add a add-on graphics later if enough money

I dont FPS much, MMORGH and RTS that i play mostly.

Thanks for the quick reply, another advice could be very useful

 

[LeonVolcove]

I saw in the older post that APU will benefit for Higher memory frequency 1866MHz or higher. is that mean i have to overclock that memory, i never done the overclock before, is it not dangerous?will kill the my memory if i do that?or the processor too?

 

[JunkBear]

Indonesia tends to be hotter in temperature so you have to be sure that your cooling is sufficient. But seriously i don't think you really need overclock for what you plan to do with this setup. Just buy the highest frequency of memory you can put on the motherboard stock witthout overclockingand you will be good to go. What operation system do you plan using?

 

[happita]

Saw this at Newegg earlier today.

 

[LeonVolcove]

Indonesia tends to be hotter in temperature so you have to be sure that your cooling is sufficient. But seriously i don't think you really need overclock for what you plan to do with this setup. Just buy the highest frequency of memory you can put on the motherboard stock witthout overclockingand you will be good to go. What operation system do you plan using?

Win 7 or Win 8.1

I Heard that win 8.1 fixed a lot of bug and error in win 8

For cooling, do you my house or CPU cooling?
If CPU Cooling maybe aftermarket cooling from Thermaltake or Corsair would be suffice

I have to admit the temperature in my house is quite hot 27" C or 28" C even with my LG Air Conditioner on

 

[JunkBear]

One thing I learned is that intake fans just push air in the case without proper exhaust. But if you put good exhaust fans then the intake will be made naturally through vents. So focus on putting a bigger fan on cpu and 2 exhaust fans.

 

[LeonVolcove]

Now that Procie is ready i have to shop for another component

Motherboard : (Kaveri socket will be FM2+)
Ram(Memory) : (Junkbear said that Highest memory frequency, all brand considerable)
Storage : (my friend said that SSD for OS booting and normal HDD for data and game,)
Case : (i dont know that case is really needed)
Graphics : Intergrated
PSU : 450watt enough? or 600?
Monitor : 1920 x 1080 LED 20" or higher (all brand considerable)
CPU Cooling : aftermarket Corsair or Thermaltake
Speaker : already have
Keyboard and Mouse : already have

any suggestion, advice or critics for my component above?

 

[xpert7]

Win 7 or Win 8.1

I Heard that win 8.1 fixed a lot of bug and error in win 8

For cooling, do you my house or CPU cooling?
If CPU Cooling maybe aftermarket cooling from Thermaltake or Corsair would be suffice

I have to admit the temperature in my house is quite hot 27" C or 28" C even with my LG Air Conditioner on

Windows 7 all the way 8.1 is too hardware intensive

 

[xpert7]

Now that Procie is ready i have to shop for another component

Motherboard : (Kaveri socket will be FM2+)
Ram(Memory) : (Junkbear said that Highest memory frequency, all brand considerable)
Storage : (my friend said that SSD for OS booting and normal HDD for data and game,)
Case : (i dont know that case is really needed)
Graphics : Intergrated
PSU : 450watt enough? or 600?
Monitor : 1920 x 1080 LED 20" or higher (all brand considerable)
CPU Cooling : aftermarket Corsair or Thermaltake
Speaker : already have
Keyboard and Mouse : already have

any suggestion, advice or critics for my component above?

I would put SSD and HDD the other way around or consider a PCI disk if you want mental speeds.

Always go for the highest continuous wattage PSU, a good make will typically be continuous and not peak

case matters at high end for cooling

 

[JunkBear]

If you dont mind speed but need to keep temperatures lower just buy an adapter for 2.5" laptop hdd to 3.5" hdd then put a laptop hdd inside. Better...if you get a used but perfect high performance laptop hdd then put it.

 

[XSI]

Monitor, buy bigger 23-24",
cooler master 212 evo, cheap and good cooler
8,1 isn't hardware intensive, you should see in which system i have it...8 years old laptop.
psu ~500 will be fine even with discrete graphics card, just don't buy a cheap no name psu.
ram in your case look for 1866, 2133, 2400 and look for best prices.

 

[Dent1]

Now that Procie is ready i have to shop for another component

Motherboard : (Kaveri socket will be FM2+)
Ram(Memory) : (Junkbear said that Highest memory frequency, all brand considerable)
Storage : (my friend said that SSD for OS booting and normal HDD for data and game,)
Case : (i dont know that case is really needed)
Graphics : Intergrated
PSU : 450watt enough? or 600?
Monitor : 1920 x 1080 LED 20" or higher (all brand considerable)
CPU Cooling : aftermarket Corsair or Thermaltake
Speaker : already have
Keyboard and Mouse : already have

any suggestion, advice or critics for my component above?

You should forget this APU business at your resolution, you have the budget for a dedicated video card and an FX 6300.

 

[Constantine Yevseyev]

1. Consider choosing Windows 8.1 over Windows 7, as long as any AMD Bulldozer family CPU requires it to make core parking and lower power states happen. Read more here: Windows 8: Does AMD's Bulldozer Architecture Benefit? Sometimes it's also cheaper (if you can find OEM Single Language letter box in any local PC store). It doesn't make any sense to buy DirectX 11.2 compatible hardware and limit it by DirectX 11.0, after all.
   
2. SSD's too pricy for your build, just forget about it. You won't find anything cheaper than 80 USD (1 000 000 IDR).
3. 450 Watts would be more than enough for any APU-based system. Just find something from Chieftec or FSP marked as "80 Plus Standard", "80 Plus Certified" or "80 Plus Bronze". Even 300 Watts would be enough if you're not planning to buy discrete GPU later. 400+ Watts of an 80 Plus certified PSU will allow you to install any low-end GPU (such as AMD R7 260X or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650).
   
4. Any cheap motherboard based on A55 or A78 chipset will do. Consider buying something like MSI A78M-E35 or ASUS A55BM-E. They should cost about 60 USD (730 000 IDR).
5. Case... Zalman has some great cheap stuff, ZM-T1/ZM-T2/ZM-T3/ZM-T4 they called. Everyone of them is about 32 USD (366 000 IDR).
6. Buy any 8 GB DDR3-2133 RAM module from Crucail, GeiL or Corsair - it would be a lot cheaper than 2 x 4 GB option and only 3-5% slower.

To be honest, I'd personally buy something like Intel Pentium G3420 + AMD Radeon HD 7750 w/ GDDR5 memory/AMD Radeon HD R7 250 w/ GDDR5 memory. OFC it will require some extra cash (A10-7xxx might cost about 150 USD while the alternative build is something like 160), but it will easily outperform AMD's solution by about 20% in every single game. The mobo will actually cost a bit less (budget H81 solutions will save you about 5 to 8 bucks, MSI H81M-E33 is a good example). The RAM will also cost a lot less, because every single 8 GB DDR3-1600 module will do. Just think about it before making any decision.

 

[Frick]

Windows 7 all the way 8.1 is too hardware intensive

Naah, it's exactly the same. Windows 8 is probably a tiny bit lighter even.

 

[xpert7]

Naah, it's exactly the same. Windows 8 is probably a tiny bit lighter even.

Speaking from the forensic standpoint and part of the computing society (have to give clear advise on the best) windows 7 is better at hardware management. Windows 8 is more about showmanship than usability.

We are all given the latest releases early and they do not work with modern games well.

Within a week of windows 8 i DBANed the drives and reloaded 7. Maybe when 9 comes ill change

 

[xpert7]

1. Consider choosing Windows 8.1 over Windows 7, as long as any AMD Bulldozer family CPU requires it to make core parking and lower power states happen. Read more here: Windows 8: Does AMD's Bulldozer Architecture Benefit? Sometimes it's also cheaper (if you can find OEM Single Language letter box in any local PC store). It doesn't make any sense to buy DirectX 11.2 compatible hardware and limit it by DirectX 11.0, after all.
   
2. SSD's too pricy for your build, just forget about it. You won't find anything cheaper than 80 USD (1 000 000 IDR).
3. 450 Watts would be more than enough for any APU-based system. Just find something from Chieftec or FSP marked as "80 Plus Standard", "80 Plus Certified" or "80 Plus Bronze". Even 300 Watts would be enough if you're not planning to buy discrete GPU later. 400+ Watts of an 80 Plus certified PSU will allow you to install any low-end GPU (such as AMD R7 260X or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650).
   
4. Any cheap motherboard based on A55 or A78 chipset will do. Consider buying something like MSI A78M-E35 or ASUS A55BM-E. They should cost about 60 USD (730 000 IDR).
5. Case... Zalman has some great cheap stuff, ZM-T1/ZM-T2/ZM-T3/ZM-T4 they called. Everyone of them is about 32 USD (366 000 IDR).
6. Buy any 8 GB DDR3-2133 RAM module from Crucail, GeiL or Corsair - it would be a lot cheaper than 2 x 4 GB option and only 3-5% slower.

To be honest, I'd personally buy something like Intel Pentium G3420 + AMD Radeon HD 7750 w/ GDDR5 memory/AMD Radeon HD R7 250 w/ GDDR5 memory. OFC it will require some extra cash (A10-7xxx might cost about 150 USD while the alternative build is something like 160), but it will easily outperform AMD's solution by about 20% in every single game. The mobo will actually cost a bit less (budget H81 solutions will save you about 5 to 8 bucks, MSI H81M-E33 is a good example). The RAM will also cost a lot less, because every single 8 GB DDR3-1600 module will do. Just think about it before making any decision.

As this is supposed to be a gaming pc i would disagree with most of the above. always go for the best you can, the setup i am running only cost around £1000, granted i am about to spend another £300/500 but thats choice not necessity

 

[Dent1]

As this is supposed to be a gaming pc i would disagree with most of the above. always go for the best you can, the setup i am running only cost around £1000, granted i am about to spend another £300/500 but thats choice not necessity

Keep in mind the OP's budget is only $700 USD, that is only about £425 GBP.

£425 v £1000. There is a big difference.

 

[Constantine Yevseyev]

As this is supposed to be a gaming pc i would disagree with most of the above. always go for the best you can, the setup i am running only cost around £1000, granted i am about to spend another £300/500 but thats choice not necessity

Make a better offer for 700 USD (including display and OS).

 

[LeonVolcove]

1. Consider choosing Windows 8.1 over Windows 7, as long as any AMD Bulldozer family CPU requires it to make core parking and lower power states happen. Read more here: Windows 8: Does AMD's Bulldozer Architecture Benefit? Sometimes it's also cheaper (if you can find OEM Single Language letter box in any local PC store). It doesn't make any sense to buy DirectX 11.2 compatible hardware and limit it by DirectX 11.0, after all.
   
2. SSD's too pricy for your build, just forget about it. You won't find anything cheaper than 80 USD (1 000 000 IDR).
3. 450 Watts would be more than enough for any APU-based system. Just find something from Chieftec or FSP marked as "80 Plus Standard", "80 Plus Certified" or "80 Plus Bronze". Even 300 Watts would be enough if you're not planning to buy discrete GPU later. 400+ Watts of an 80 Plus certified PSU will allow you to install any low-end GPU (such as AMD R7 260X or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650).
   
4. Any cheap motherboard based on A55 or A78 chipset will do. Consider buying something like MSI A78M-E35 or ASUS A55BM-E. They should cost about 60 USD (730 000 IDR).
5. Case... Zalman has some great cheap stuff, ZM-T1/ZM-T2/ZM-T3/ZM-T4 they called. Everyone of them is about 32 USD (366 000 IDR).
6. Buy any 8 GB DDR3-2133 RAM module from Crucail, GeiL or Corsair - it would be a lot cheaper than 2 x 4 GB option and only 3-5% slower.

To be honest, I'd personally buy something like Intel Pentium G3420 + AMD Radeon HD 7750 w/ GDDR5 memory/AMD Radeon HD R7 250 w/ GDDR5 memory. OFC it will require some extra cash (A10-7xxx might cost about 150 USD while the alternative build is something like 160), but it will easily outperform AMD's solution by about 20% in every single game. The mobo will actually cost a bit less (budget H81 solutions will save you about 5 to 8 bucks, MSI H81M-E33 is a good example). The RAM will also cost a lot less, because every single 8 GB DDR3-1600 module will do. Just think about it before making any decision.

1. Okay win 8.1 noted, maybe i will check it before i buy it
2. SSD too price also noted, so in other word i have to buy secondary HDD
3. Thanks god 450watt enough
4. Is cheap motherboard will help for long term?
5. Zalman case(never heard of it before) i will check it too
6. 8 GB 1 stick or 2 stick of 4 GB?

Thats great reply thanks, but i have to turn down for intel processor offer.

I know they built great processor, but i really have bad experience with them

I want to share it but it will be long story

Thanks again for the advice, but i must say i will avoid intel.

 

[Frick]

Speaking from the forensic standpoint and part of the computing society (have to give clear advise on the best) windows 7 is better at hardware management. Windows 8 is more about showmanship than usability.

We are all given the latest releases early and they do not work with modern games well.

Within a week of windows 8 i DBANed the drives and reloaded 7. Maybe when 9 comes ill change

No it is not, and the looks have nothing to do with hardware management. The estetics comes down to personal preference (I rather like it actually), and you are correct when you say we have to give clear advise. Which is why I'm saying Windows 8 is not more demanding than Windows 7. It just isn't. Windows 8 is even lighter than Windows 7 if Win7 has Aero Glass turned on.