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stinger608

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Oh jeez, I would think it would run circles around an AM2 system running something like Sony Vegas. Have to remember, that was specifically designed to run server type programs and utilize the multiple processors.

I can't imagine an AM2 performing near what a dual opteron 285 system would.

Also keep in mind, the Opteron 285 was made to run multiple applications and mainly designed for running in pairs. They are still very capable as a single chip but it really shined when coupled with another one.

They were near $400 when released also. Crazy.

Just for reference, check out some of the personal reviews on the Egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103004

Granted, I don't hold much trust in NewEgg personal reviews, but some of these really spell it out; " I have two of these running and they can''t be slowed down. I run very graphic intensive applications and these work wonderfully. AMD has produced a fantastic processor here."
 
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Okay, I talked about this a couple of weeks ago..........:laugh:

Wait for it.............









This sucker includes dual Opteron 285 dual cores.
Thinking I might throw this together and put Windows Server 2012 Essentials on it just to mess around.


Has 6 gigs of ECC ram and them crazy solid copper heat sinks!
Even still includes the video card chip that you can swap for single card or SLi.
This thing weights a ton with them heat sinks.

Only problem is; the north bridge fan is junk. However I am thinking I might be able to pull it apart and put some sewing machine oil in it and I might be able to save it for awhile LOL.


ok now it is time for a plan on how to kill stinger608 and take all his stuff ... oh wait ... wrong idea...

NICE STUFFZ BOSS!
 
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Oh jeez, I would think it would run circles around an AM2 system running something like Sony Vegas. Have to remember, that was specifically designed to run server type programs and utilize the multiple processors.

I can't imagine an AM2 performing near what a dual opteron 285 system would.

Also keep in mind, the Opteron 285 was made to run multiple applications and mainly designed for running in pairs. They are still very capable as a single chip but it really shined when coupled with another one.

They were near $400 when released also. Crazy.

Just for reference, check out some of the personal reviews on the Egg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103004

Granted, I don't hold much trust in NewEgg personal reviews, but some of these really spell it out; " I have two of these running and they can''t be slowed down. I run very graphic intensive applications and these work wonderfully. AMD has produced a fantastic processor here."
Won't some am2 motherboards run a Phenom II proc all the way up to a 1100t. :toast:
 
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I think in certain cases with certain procs and am2 system would do better then a daul opty 285 rig. Sorry stinger buddy.
 

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I think in certain cases with certain procs and am2 system would do better then a daul opty 285 rig. Sorry stinger buddy.

That is true. Of course the original AM2 boards were not AM2+ compatible though. The later ones, like the Asus M2N series were AM2+ capable boards. As the original Phenom's were a AM2+ chip.
I figured we were discussing original AM2 stuff like the 5200+, 6000+ dual cores and the like.
 
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Well,my main rig uses a AM2 board (ASUS M2V-TVM)and a AM2 CPU(Sempron 3400+,1.80GHz),so I guess it's one of the originals.
 
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Won't some am2 motherboards run a Phenom II proc all the way up to a 1100t. :toast:

my Asus M3N78-CM was up to the X6 1090T (was ... i sold it :cry: but "i will be back" with some oldies once i will get rid of my 2 last debt :D ;) )

oh wait ... AM2 ... i do not qualify ... M3N78-CM is AM2+ :shadedshu:
 
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my Asus M3N78-CM was up to the X6 1090T (was ... i sold it :cry: but "i will be back" with some oldies once i will get rid of my 2 last debt :D ;) )

oh wait ... AM2 ... i do not qualify ... M3N78-CM is AM2+ :shadedshu:
I do,as most M2N/M2V ASUS boards are AM2.(no +)
 
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I do,as most M2N/M2V ASUS boards are AM2.(no +)
i know :roll:

still i have a dual 940 mobo (oh well 2 but one is a bit tricky) humpf i really need to get another AM2+ and a AM2 setup for the collection ... and more graphic cards nahahahah :D
 

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I do,as most M2N/M2V ASUS boards are AM2.(no +)

Right, but most of them could be flashed to a newer bios and support the AM2+ chips. Gigabyte had a bunch of AM2 boards that could be flashed as well. I think AsRock and EVGA did as well.
 
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Well,my main rig uses a AM2 board (ASUS M2V-TVM)and a AM2 CPU(Sempron 3400+,1.80GHz),so I guess it's one of the originals.

Same as my M2V-MX I have here that can take up to Athlon X2 6000+. Really basic mobo.
 
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Same as my M2V-MX I have here that can take up to Athlon X2 6000+. Really basic mobo.
Basic and good,as long as it doesn't use a OEM BIOS,like my board.(mine uses some crappy "Olidata Olipro"BIOS)
 
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Making an inventory- list of my hardware. Hey, that's hard work. It took me weeks, but now I think I've got a really fine list.

It tells me what it is, which company manufactured it,, what the name is, when this model was launched, which connection or socket it has, what the name of the chipset is, how much I got, a few words if there is something special on this part, a linked picture of the part, a link to the best review I could find, links to 9x/Me + W2k/XP drivers for it. and where I stored it.



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That is an awesome idea Backfire!

Dang, I need to do that myself! :laugh:
 

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Damn that stinger's dual CPU MB is cool, I didn't even remember that there were SLI MB:s for dual 940 Opterons :toast:
 
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Seeing that everybody posted desktops from a few of their rigs,I thought of posting my main rig's desktop which runs Windows 7. (AM2)
Wallpaper is a screencap from the Teen Titans Go! episode "Laundry Day".
Also,notice the Uberizer icon in there.I am using it to play around with my tablet.
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Damn that stinger's dual CPU MB is cool, I didn't even remember that there were SLI MB:s for dual 940 Opterons :toast:

Yea I am not sure who else built SLi or crossfire capable boards running dual processors. I know I had a quad processor Tyan board that supported SLi but that was the later LGA socket.

Seems like Asus made one that was SLi capable and run dual Opteron processors. Made more for the enthusiast than server applications.
 
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Heh, what a coincidence, just snagged one of these Master2-FARs as well. My board is used, hopefully it comes with the SLI switch card.

What should I plop on this thing for GPUs? There are some 9800GX2s on auction I could bidsnipe for cheap.
 
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Making an inventory- list of my hardware. Hey, that's hard work. It took me weeks, but now I think I've got a really fine list.

It tells me what it is, which company manufactured it,, what the name is, when this model was launched, which connection or socket it has, what the name of the chipset is, how much I got, a few words if there is something special on this part, a linked picture of the part, a link to the best review I could find, links to 9x/Me + W2k/XP drivers for it. and where I stored it.



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Man.....I'd like to see the rest of the pages sometime. :)
 
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Basic and good,as long as it doesn't use a OEM BIOS,like my board.(mine uses some crappy "Olidata Olipro"BIOS)

Never heard of that one but it's an Asus so I guess it's their own bios or regular AMI bios.
 
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Video Card(s) Gigabyte GTX650 1GB GDDR5
Storage 2x Seagate ST31000340NS 1TB SATA II
Display(s) Samsung 32 inch
Case Delux MG760
Audio Device(s) Realtek High Definition Audio + X-Fi XtremeGamer SB0730
Power Supply FSP Bluestorm II 500W
Mouse Marvo KM400 Mouse
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Never heard of that one but it's an Asus so I guess it's their own bios or regular AMI bios.
It's a custom M2V-TVM BIOS made specifically for that OEM.
Anyways,as long as it's working fine I don't have anything to worry about.
 

stinger608

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System Name Dean Machine/2020 Ryzenfall
Processor Intel 4790K/AMD Ryzen 3700X
Motherboard MSI 1150 Gaming mATX/Gigabyte AORUS ELITE B550
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED/SilverStone AH240 AIO
Memory 16 gigs Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer/16 gigs G.Skill TridentZ NEO DDR4
Video Card(s) Gigabyte 1660 Super/Gigabyte GTX 1660
Storage Crucial SSD 256 and 2TB spinner/Dual Samsung 980 Pro M2 NVME 4.0
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Case Corsair Air 540
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Power Supply Seasonic modular 850 watt Platinum/EVGA T2-850 Titanium
Software Windows 10 Pro/Windows 10 Pro
Heh, what a coincidence, just snagged one of these Master2-FARs as well. My board is used, hopefully it comes with the SLI switch card.

What should I plop on this thing for GPUs? There are some 9800GX2s on auction I could bidsnipe for cheap.

Awesome man!!! Did it include processors?
Wow, if you can grab some 9800GX2's cheap, that would make an awesome system. If it doesn't come with the switch card, one might check on Ebay for one. Not sure if the DFI boards that had these would be the same or not. Seems like Asus had a version that used the switch card as well.
 
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System Name Dell Vostro 5630 | PHaS3-XXI
Processor Intel Core i7 1360P | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X PBO
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming
Cooling Corsair H105 (AM4 Retention yay!)
Memory 16GB Quad Channel LPDDR5 4800 | Crucial 64GB DDR4 Pro 3200 C16
Video Card(s) Nvidia RTX 2050 | Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 Stock Cooler @ XT BIOS
Storage Kioxia 512GB NVMe |Crucial MX200 SSD + Samsung 980 1TB + 870QVO 1TB + 12TB HDDs
Display(s) Dell Laptop Display 1920x1200 | Dell UltraSharp U2719D
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Power Supply Corsair RM750
Mouse Logitech G403 | Logitech G Pro
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys
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Benchmark Scores @_@
Rebuilt a PC that was dumped at my work. Planning on using it for some (very) amateur instrument recording (electric guitar).

Sempron 2600+ Skt 754 (1,6GHz), 1GB RAM, Radeon 9200

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Motherboard AsRock G31M-GS R2.0
Cooling CoolerMaster Vortex 752 - Black
Memory 4 Go (2x2) Kingston ValueRam DDR2-800
Video Card(s) Asus EN8600GT/HTDP/512M
Storage WD 3200AAKS
Display(s) 32" Irico E320GV-FHD
Case Aerocool Qx-2000
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Power Supply Enermax NoiseTaker 2 - 465w
Mouse Logitech Wave MK550 combo (M510)
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