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A shooter with gamepad, in the machine with the lowest user base, and the weakest hardware. At least MS won't have to worry about PS4 achieving 1080p.

MS keeps screwing things over and over, instead of paying Square Enix for a game that won't help boost their console sales, why don't use the money to lower the Xbone price?.
 

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A shooter with gamepad, in the machine with the lowest user base, and the weakest hardware. At least MS won't have to worry about PS4 achieving 1080p.

MS keeps screwing things over and over, instead of paying Square Enix for a game that won't help boost their console sales, why don't use the money to lower the Xbone price?.

This just added another reason for me to get an Xbox One. Isn't that an example of helping boost console sales?
 
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This just added another reason for me to get an Xbox One. Isn't that an example of helping boost console sales?

Sure, but IMO, they would benefit more of a price reduction than an exclusive game.
 
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This just added another reason for me to get an Xbox One. Isn't that an example of helping boost console sales?
I would say not nearly enough
Days when TR was a console seller are long gone.
exactly. It's going to hurt TR sale's more than it will boost xbone's, in my opinion. very few people are willing to buy a console for any exclusive, let alone TR in 2014. So that mean's they only have people who were already going to get an xbox, who may get it sooner. that's not a big deal.

if there was a list of people who were never going to get an xbox, who now are because of this TR announcement, then it would be good for them. I don't see how it could be good for TR in any way, except maybe to create controversy and then release on everything else anyway.
 

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I would say not nearly enough

exactly. It's going to hurt TR sale's more than it will boost xbone's, in my opinion. very few people are willing to buy a console for any exclusive, let alone TR in 2014. So that mean's they only have people who were already going to get an xbox, who may get it sooner. that's not a big deal.

if there was a list of people who were never going to get an xbox, who now are because of this TR announcement, then it would be good for them. I don't see how it could be good for TR in any way, except maybe to create controversy and then release on everything else anyway.

This its going to hurt TR because not enough people are going to buy it to help xbox one.

I for one am furious that they have decided to do this. I really enjoyed the 2013 reboot and I didn't find it so "shootery" as everyone else their was still a great amount of puzzles and fun. in that regard I think people are being too nit picky and iv been a fan since game 1.

I really hope they reconsider.
 

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Tomb Raider 2013 plays more like a Metroid Prime game than Tomb Raider of yore. Advancement in the game requires the acquisition of devices and you'll pass through areas you have been before but due to new tools, have access to new areas. The path forward in Tomb Raider was rarely obvious, the puzzles were actually puzzling, death was frequent, locations varied wildly, no stupid quick time events, the game did not rely on getting new tools (more like ammo and health), and the plot is unpredictable (other than hunting for treasure). Everything fundamentally changed, especially Lara Croft herself. I'm perfectly fine with never seeing a sequel because it fails to stand on its own merits seeing as it is no son of its namesake.
 

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Tomb Raider 2013 plays more like a Metroid Prime game than Tomb Raider of yore. Advancement in the game requires the acquisition of devices and you'll pass through areas you have been before but due to new tools, have access to new areas. The path forward in Tomb Raider was rarely obvious, the puzzles were actually puzzling, death was frequent, locations varied wildly, no stupid quick time events, the game did not rely on getting new tools (more like ammo and health), and the plot is unpredictable (other than hunting for treasure). Everything fundamentally changed, especially Lara Croft herself. I'm perfectly fine with never seeing a sequel because it fails to stand on its own merits seeing as it is no son of its namesake.

considering it was meant to be a reboot of the series i cant wait to see how disappointing you are in the future games.
 
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I can't say I see any evidence of that, at least with the titles I've played (AoD to current). Anniversary for instance is quite demanding in it's intricately timed and executed jumping and grappling puzzles, yet I never once felt the control scheme porting on PC felt compromised. And I say that being someone whom struggles with gamepads. If anything I think it's people whom suck at gamepads that know right away when a PC port is too consolish control wise.

My idea of a game that is heavily biased toward gamepad controls is one that has odd moments of clumsiness where it's assumed you have a toggle to move your character, like some of the Dead To Rights segments and some of the segments in even latter RE games where you're escaping on narrow zig zag or curved pathways. Even Arkham Asylum has such a segment where you're evading Killer Croc.

TR AoD through the 2013 Reboot never felt that way to me.Source?

Timed exclusive - confirmed.
 

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LOL, you and I think a lot alike Ford. I was as well thinking it's gone shooter but now exclusively on gamepad, ironic indeed. Thus is what happens to gaming when deals are struck more around money than the quality of the games.

The new Tomb Raiders are like the new James Bonds for me. If they changed the name to ANYTHING other than James Bond or 007, then I would say 'that's a neat, action packed and fairly enjoyable film/game.'
Seeing as they are hip and modern formula oriented, they go against their roots.

There's more interesting, detailed and explorable caves and tombs in Far Cry 3 than in TR.

Having said that, I enjoyed the TR reboot as a game on it's own, once I got past all the ridiculous shooting and the G.I. Jane remake of Lara.
 
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Timed or not the damage is done and I'm sure it won't be coming to ps4
 
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It doesn't matter whether it's timed or not, the damage to the series, like Ford and I have been saying, is already done. They've been dumbing down artifacts and relics since Underworld, and now tombs, wildlife and platforming with the reboot. The swing toward console simplicity and the Uncharted shoot and loot vibe has been going on for some time. So you see, it's sort of exclusively designed with that mindset, so it doesn't matter whether it eventually comes to PC, because the whole TR universe has been bastardized already.

What newconroer said has a ring of truth. Had it been any other game with different names and characters, it would have been universally accepted, but what they're doing is changing an entire franchise into something completely different, thus the feel of milking and bastardizing.

It may sound like a corny analogy, but I liken it to what Bear Grylls has become. He started out with a genuinely rugged survival show, and now he's got this reality TV crap going with average people or celebs, some too unfit to be out there, and putting his name on cheap gear that you can buy at Walmart. He even gives Walmart sponsored tips in the middle of the show. Yeah right, Walmart is the store I first think of for all my survival needs. :rolleyes:
 
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It doesn't matter whether it's timed or not, the damage to the series, like Ford and I have been saying, is already done. They've been dumbing down artifacts and relics since Underworld, and now tombs with 2013. The swing toward console simplicity and the Uncharted shoot and loot vibe has been going on for some time. So you see, it's sort of exclusively designed with that mindset, so it doesn't matter whether it eventually comes to PC, because the whole TR universe has been bastardized already.

What newconroer said has a ring of truth. Had it been any other game with different names and characters, it would have been universally accepted, but what they're doing is changing an entire franchise into something completely different, thus the feel of milking and bastardizing.

It may sound like a corny analogy, but I liken it to what Bear Grylls has become. He started out with a genuinely rugged survival show, and now he's got this reality TV crap going with average people or celebs, some too unfit to be out there, and putting his name on cheap gear that you can buy at Walmart. He even gives Walmart sponsored tips in the middle of the show. Yeah right, Walmart is the store I first think of for all my survival needs. :rolleyes:

You thoughts can be said the same of the Battlefield series, for better or worse. Maybe one day Crystal Dynamics or another developer may swing back to the original core gameplay of TR from ten years ago?
 
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Maybe one day Crystal Dynamics or another developer may swing back to the original core gameplay of TR from ten years ago?
Unlikely, once they taste the profits of mainstreaming a title into a a shooter, they've bitten the forbidden fruit. I can't blame it entirely on Square Enix either, because in reality Eidos themselves started dumbing it down with Underworld, regarding artifacts and relics. SE took it to extreme levels though.
 
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Unlikely, once they taste the profits of mainstreaming a title into a shooter, they've bitten the forbidden fruit.

I hear you, there aren't any alternatives that come to mind. Here's to hoping a new dev emerges with something in the future :toast:.
 
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What's really tragic is, most are still labeling it an Action-Adventure game, even though it's lost most of the cerebral nature of the adventure puzzles. By comparison it's now a mindless shooter.
 
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Don't forget all the money Square Enix lost either, i believe they have what it needs to make great games but great games cost money to make. And i would really hate to see Square Enix to go, maybe part of the issue is to much at one time.

Lets face it if TR looked like crap but had all the challenges that the older games had people would of bitched know end then too. Would be nice if they could expand on the last TR and make it more like the older ones but lets face it no matter how good a game is from Square Enix on PC PC user have just complained every step of the way.

And lets face it PC gamers are much harder to please than console user so who can blame them. This is what i love about Rockstar as they release GTA on consoles and deliver it for PC a year later knowing it's going take more time to finish for the PC but again this costs a load of money too.
 
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Forget TR, Square need to make another Kane and Lynch.
 

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Screw that, i want Just Cause 3 already.
 
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Screw that, i want Just Cause 3 already.
Can't we all agree that Far Cry 3 has taken over as a better version(game) of Just Cause? When you're on those hang gliders, or the wing suit, into a parachute, I think I'm playing Just Cause, but I am happy that's not actually Just Cause : )
 

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Processor AMD 3900X \ AMD 7700X
Motherboard ASRock AM4 X570 Pro 4 \ ASUS X670Xe TUF
Cooling D15
Memory Patriot 2x16GB PVS432G320C6K \ G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3238F 2x16GB
Video Card(s) eVga GTX1060 SSC \ XFX RX 6950XT RX-695XATBD9
Storage Sammy 860, MX500, Sabrent Rocket 4 Sammy Evo 980 \ 1xSabrent Rocket 4+, Sammy 2x990 Pro
Display(s) Samsung 1080P \ LG 43UN700
Case Fractal Design Pop Air 2x140mm fans from Torrent \ Fractal Design Torrent 2 SilverStone FHP141x2
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V677 \ Yamaha CX-830+Yamaha MX-630 Infinity RS4000\Paradigm P Studio 20, Blue Yeti
Power Supply Seasonic Prime TX-750 \ Corsair RM1000X Shift
Mouse Steelseries Sensei wireless \ Steelseries Sensei wireless
Keyboard Logitech K120 \ Wooting Two HE
Benchmark Scores Meh benchmarks.
I played them both a lot and both are maturing very well and i just hope they do not come up with some crazy idea that screws either one or both of them lol. I hope they do expand on JC3 like the AC series has done.
 
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