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Ballmer Calls Vista "Work in Progress"

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Ballmer: Vista Is 'a Work in Progress'

As PC users clamor for Microsoft to continue to support Windows XP, company CEO Steve Ballmer called the Vista OS "a work in progress" at an annual Seattle event on Thursday.

"It's a very important piece of work. We did a lot of things right and have a lot of things we need to learn from. You never want to let five years go between releases," he said.

While Microsoft recently extended the date when the XP software will be available for low-cost PCs, it doesn't plan to listen to some other complaints, including that Vista is too big. "Vista is bigger than XP and it's gonna stay bigger than XP," Ballmer said. "We have to make sure it doesn't get bigger still."

During the lively session, peppered with flag waving by a rowdy group of Canadians, hoots and applause, Ballmer spoke about a few other key areas that the company will focused on in the near future. "It's virtualization time for Microsoft," he said. "We're gonna make sure we democratize virtualization." Probably less than 5 percent of servers in the world are virtualized today, he said. "It's too darn expensive and too hard to manage. We intend to take major strides around addressing both of those."

He also said to expect more work from Microsoft in the search market. "There's an opportunity to knock the socks off in terms of innovation," he said.

Once Microsoft introduces some blog services later this year, Ballmer intends to ask its MVPs (Most Valuable Professionals) to switch their default searches to Live Search for one week. After that week, he'll ask for their feedback about what they liked and what they didn't, as part of a broad effort to improve Microsoft's third-place standing in the search market.

Another key area for the future of Microsoft is services. Overall, the use of hosted services worldwide is small, but Ballmer expects that in two to three years there will be an inflection point after which millions of people will use hosted services, he said.

There are 4,000 Microsoft MVPs around the world, and nearly 1,800 of them gathered in Seattle this week for an annual summit. MVPs are technology experts who provide feedback to Microsoft about its products -- Ballmer said they are his favorite group to address.

The topics Ballmer tackled during his talk were sometimes similar, but much broader compared to the big issue that he, Bill Gates and Paul Allen, Microsoft's founders, discussed while beginning to develop software at Harvard University. "Our strategy and mission have expanded," Ballmer said. In the very beginning, year after year, Allen would approach Gates with the idea to start building computers. And each time Gates sagely said, 'No, Paul, we're not hardware guys,'" Ballmer said. "We're on that same strategy 30 years later ... but we do have an expansive vision."

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/144773/ballmer_vista_is_a_work_in_progress.html

Thanks for selling me a $300 OS that's a work in progress! :banghead:
 
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Yeah, thanks for hyping it up, making it sound almost godly, and then letting us find out that its just XP with some extra stuff and a pretty UI.
$300 isn't as bad as Adobe expecting $2000 for Photoshop... and they wonder why its pirated so much?
"A work in progress". Bill Gates will need to put a gag on him, he might reveal other secrets of M$!
 

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Issue with Photoshops steep prices - one, they targeted at professionals; tha majority of Photoshops capabilities far exceed what the average use will ever have use for. Two, the number of people pirating Photoshop to begin with (and the users of the pirated software that would probably be able to get buy much better using Corel Paint Shop Pro instead), which only drives cost up more.

Issue with M$ - we pay $75 for the new OS, $25 for compatibility, $50 for ongoing updates; the higher end models pay another $100 for improved compatibility, $25 for improved ongoing updates, and another $50 for the M$ developmental coffers.

And hope Windows Genuine Advantge doesn't pwn your new OS install after you get it home from market.
 
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Well, I won't be buying another Windows OS as fast as I did on Vista...I bought it about 6 months after the release (I thought that may be O.K., but I guess not...). Anyhow, I doubt this version of Windows will ever reach a level that XP has...I think people will be glad to see Vista leave.

I disagree with Ballmer though, he thinks they should make their OSes bigger and bigger, however I think they should condense Vista extremely...
 

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Last time I checked they were still patching Windows XP so it has been a "work in progress" for 7 years now. Why are you complaining about Vista?
 
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Last time I checked they were still patching Windows XP so it has been a "work in progress" for 7 years now. Why are you complaining about Vista?

Hmm? Because I paid good money for something that I expected better of...IF they are going to charge us for a work in progress then charge a preliminary charge...Before SP1, I think Vista was worth 120$ (and I'm talking the ultimate version).
 
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I like Vista seems to me this is just another quarenteed Vista bashing thread were all the Xp lovers and Vista haters in general will dance over Vista supposid grave.
 
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I like Vista seems to me this is just another quarenteed Vista bashing thread were all the Xp lovers and Vista haters in general will dance over Vista supposid grave.

Looks to me like, and yes I'm assuming, that you have a prebuilt (which places you out of half the problems that OEM builders have experienced). It's hard for me to even explain my grip with Vista hardware support because you just don't realize the hell I went through (and never actually resolved). Never experienced the problem with XP.

Picture paying 750$ for a piece of hardware that never becomes properly compatible with Vista after 6 months of use.

What seems to you like a Vista bashing thread happens to be a reality for me. Think what you want...
 
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I agree with ya about price then again i live in king ripoff software country were cs3 extended cost 1300 bucks and the average game costs bout 40 bucks more then otha western countries but yeah ultimate should be alot cheaper than what it is.
 

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Well, I won't be buying another Windows OS as fast as I did on Vista...I bought it about 6 months after the release (I thought that may be O.K., but I guess not...). Anyhow, I doubt this version of Windows will ever reach a level that XP has...I think people will be glad to see Vista leave.

I disagree with Ballmer though, he thinks they should make their OSes bigger and bigger, however I think they should condense Vista extremely...

Yeah, but it took MS years and years of patches, service packs, updates, fixes to get XP users more content...I think Vista will get more polish, how much...who knows...I used for a while last year (approx 7 months)...and had a semi-bad feeling, but I am on Vista x64 and couldn't be happier with my decision...runs better, and isn't nearly as much of a pain to deal with as I had once remembered.

I think as-far-as OS sizes...I feel that there should be the Top-end bloated versions, the basic bloat and a tuned-gaming, trimmed down version, sure the coporate ones and all that stuff too...but if they modified their OS for a more enthusiast intent, they may have something going...though not all enthusiasts/gamers want all the goodies turned off..so modulation would be needed or two gamer versions...in the end ya can't make everyone happy...but they can try harder every day and worry less about the bottom line and more about the product if they truly want to make an OS that would be worth our money (yeah...can't really think of a company out there that truly does that tho...).

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Hmm? Because I paid good money for something that I expected better of...IF they are going to charge us for a work in progress then charge a preliminary charge...Before SP1, I think Vista was worth 120$ (and I'm talking the ultimate version).

You expected better of a brand new OS? You do realize how long it took Windows XP to become worth using, right? It had serious problems all the way up until SP2 came out for it 3 years after it went RTM!
 
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You expected better of a brand new OS? You do realize how long it took Windows XP to become worth using, right? It had serious problems all the way up until SP2 came out for it 3 years after it went RTM!

Lol, I realize that since the day one of XP launch I had zero problems. Still had the memory complaints that everyone talks about, but that's not a real problem.
 

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Lol, I realize that since the day one of XP launch I had zero problems. Still had the memory complaints that everyone talks about, but that's not a real problem.

You're kidding me? Windows XP was riddled with problems for quite some time. SP1 was supposed to be a giant fix for a lot of the problems it had. It didn't become reliable until SP2 came out for it.

I remember a Microsoft game (Crimson Skies) wouldn't even work for Windows XP when it was first released. :wtf:
 
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