Intel Set to Integrate Memory, Graphics Controllers into Microprocessors.

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Intel Corp. does not currently see many advantages that memory controller built-into central processing units (CPUs) would bring, as the firm has managed to increase performance without integration of memory controller with its forthcoming Core 2 processors. Nevertheless, in future the firm would integrate the appropriate circuits into its CPUs, moreover, it could add graphics capabilities to its chips, according to the company.

Speaking at a conference June 13, 2006, in New York hosted by analyst firm Bear Stearns Security, Dileep Bhandarkar, architect at large for Intel's digital enterprise group said that the company does not plan to integrate memory controller into its microprocessors set to be released in short-term, like Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker's arch-rival Advanced Micro Devices does.

Intel admitted that built-in memory controller helps to reduce memory access latencies and eliminate memory controller hub as an additional component. But the world's largest maker of microprocessors defended its current stance saying that by incorporating larger caches - on-chip memory pools - it can reduce memory latency impacts. At the same time, building memory controller into processor results in increased die size and power consumption of the CPU and reduces flexibility between supported memory types.

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[laszlo]

i bet in 15-20 years we'll buy only a big chip with all in, a sort of AIW

 

[NamesDontMatter]

if it happens it will happen much sooner, you have to keep in mind how fast technology is progressing. They have the tech to do in the next few years now.

 

[yaxpak]

True

"At the same time, building memory controller into processor results in increased die size and power consumption of the CPU and reduces flexibility between supported memory types".
That is very true there. For example, AMD and it's AM2 chips. If I want to use DDR2, I have go purchace a whole new CPU and MB? With Intel, all you need is the memory (duh) and the MB to support your new RAM. I personally like AMD over Intel because I am a gamer, however Intel has a good point there. I wish Intel would make faster chips, so that I could play my games and have that flexibility.

 

[Homeless]

"At the same time, building memory controller into processor results in increased die size and power consumption of the CPU and reduces flexibility between supported memory types".
That is very true there. For example, AMD and it's AM2 chips. If I want to use DDR2, I have go purchace a whole new CPU and MB? With Intel, all you need is the memory (duh) and the MB to support your new RAM. I personally like AMD over Intel because I am a gamer, however Intel has a good point there. I wish Intel would make faster chips, so that I could play my games and have that flexibility.

I suppose you haven't seen conroe benchmarks...

 

[newtekie1]

Oh great...so eventually every time I buy a processor I am going to get a crappy GMA950, or whatever number they use, with it. Seems like a waste, a good idea, but a waste for a lot of people.

 

[yaxpak]

I suppose you haven't seen conroe benchmarks...

I have, but Conroe is not out yet, it is still in the works, so it is not an official competitor. And I bet you anything, AMD will have a come back. So too early to say who the big daddy is, till the fat man farts.

 

[Sasqui]

Intel admitted that built-in memory controller helps to reduce memory access latencies and eliminate memory controller hub as an additional component.

Hmmm... it took them THAT long to admit it? They've been schooled by AMD for years now on that very topic.

Disclaimer - I've never owned an AMD product

 

[newtekie1]

I have, but Conroe is not out yet, it is still in the works, so it is not an official competitor. And I bet you anything, AMD will have a come back. So too early to say who the big daddy is, till the fat man farts.

No, AMD won't have anything to counter Conroe unless they have managed to keep something very secret, and that just doesn't happen anymore. Their competition to Conroe was AM2 and DDR2, they believe that would get them by and keep them onto in the desktop market for the next few year because they started developing it before they knew anything about conroe. Unfortunately, that isn't the case as conroe is pretty clearly the performance and price leader, or at least it will be when it comes out in a month and a half. The only way I can see AMD even being an option is if they drastically reduce the price of their processors to below Conroe's, just how Intel did with the Pentium Ds due to their underperformance.

Hmmm... it took them THAT long to admit it? They've been schooled by AMD for years now on that very topic.

Disclaimer - I've never owned an AMD product

Actually they admitted it before AMD even released the first processor with an integrated memory controller. However, there is also downsides to it, downsides which would have hurt them more then havine an integrated memory controller would have helped.

 

[yaxpak]

No, AMD won't have anything to counter Conroe unless they have managed to keep something very secret, and that just doesn't happen anymore. Their competition to Conroe was AM2 and DDR2, they believe that would get them by and keep them onto in the desktop market for the next few year because they started developing it before they knew anything about conroe. Unfortunately, that isn't the case as conroe is pretty clearly the performance and price leader, or at least it will be when it comes out in a month and a half. The only way I can see AMD even being an option is if they drastically reduce the price of their processors to below Conroe's, just how Intel did with the Pentium Ds due to their underperformance.




Actually they admitted it before AMD even released the first processor with an integrated memory controller. However, there is also downsides to it, downsides which would have hurt them more then havine an integrated memory controller would have helped.

LOL AMD only moved to DDR2 because they needed to keep up with new tech, not to respond in any way to Intel's forth commings. And DDR2 is not much better than DDR. You dont think AMD knew that? Also, Conroe is only going to be a stepping stool for AMD, as it always has been with anything Intel throws on the table. But I guess it only matters to the individual and what he/she is doing with the technology at hand. I just do not see how AMD would try to compete with Intel's Conroe with AM2 cpu's, since all they did was utilize a technology that was already out. Your comment makes no sense. The firm isn't that stupid. Conroe looks good, sounds good, and I just might check it out myself. But I do know it will eventually be just another Intel chip.

 

[newtekie1]

LOL AMD only moved to DDR2 because they needed to keep up with new tech, not to respond in any way to Intel's forth commings. And DDR2 is not much better than DDR. You dont think AMD knew that? Also, Conroe is only going to be a stepping stool for AMD, as it always has been with anything Intel throws on the table. But I guess it only matters to the individual and what he/she is doing with the technology at hand. I just do not see how AMD would try to compete with Intel's Conroe with AM2 cpu's, since all they did was utilize a technology that was already out. Your comment makes no sense. The firm isn't that stupid. Conroe looks good, sounds good, and I just might check it out myself. But I do know it will eventually be just another Intel chip.

Did I say that AMD moved to DDR2 to counter Conroe? No I didn't. I completely agree that they did it to keep up with technology.

However, they put a lot of time in the switch, and honestly I think they got lazy with it. They assumed that their performance lead was far to big for Intel to make it up, which is why they figured the move to DDR2 would be enough to keep that lead. However, it isn't.

Despite your apparent hatred for Intel, they will hold the performance crown in round, I have no doubt of that. AMD might not have meant AM2 to compete with Conroe, but Intel meant Conroe to compete with AM2, and it will so that is all that matters. AMD didn't even know Conroe was on the table when they started work on AM2, and when they found out about Conroe they probably figured the switch to DDR2 would be enough to keep their lead, I am sure that AMD had no clue how powerful Intel's next line of processor was really going to be, and I highly doubt they have anything that can even begin to compete with it.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

No, AMD won't have anything to counter Conroe unless they have managed to keep something very secret, and that just doesn't happen anymore. Their competition to Conroe was AM2 and DDR2, they believe that would get them by and keep them onto in the desktop market for the next few year because they started developing it before they knew anything about conroe.

Unfortunately, all you conroe fanbois dont like admitting the K8L is making great progress..

Which is definatly far from secret.

 

[FLY3R]

You all need to remeber that Intel used to be run by Engineers then it switched to Salles people and reps, and now it is back to being run by Engineers. Since then talk about Conroe and chips after came into the picture. AMD has been run by Engineers ever since the bigging and that is why they pulled ahead of Intel, but now that Intel is back on there feet in the right shoes things will change. Remeber Intel is a hugh corperation with much to spend in research and development, I would be suprised to see how many of you actually read there Anule reports. I have been following them for a while and a stock owner, so befor you make coments about things that you don't know or understand just do some reading and resarch.

 

[yaxpak]

You all need to remeber that Intel used to be run by Engineers then it switched to Salles people and reps, and now it is back to being run by Engineers. Since then talk about Conroe and chips after came into the picture. AMD has been run by Engineers ever since the bigging and that is why they pulled ahead of Intel, but now that Intel is back on there feet in the right shoes things will change. Remeber Intel is a hugh corperation with much to spend in research and development, I would be suprised to see how many of you actually read there Anule reports. I have been following them for a while and a stock owner, so befor you make coments about things that you don't know or understand just do some reading and resarch.

Calm down mr. stock owner. All I know is this: my pc and future pc's will only have the best of the best. So if Intel can get ahead of AMD, good for them and good for me I currently own an AMD chip and I love it, but I am all about performance, not brand. Games are the reason why I go for AMD. BF2 is a resource hog and CPU hog, so that + eye candy = AMD64. I rest my case on this subject, next please!

 

[newtekie1]

Unfortunately, all you conroe fanbois dont like admitting the K8L is making great progress..

Which is definatly far from secret.

Yeah, but I have yet to see any of that progress, or for that matter even seen any actual working prototypes. It is slated for release in what H2 of next year? A full year after conroe's initial release, and right around the time when the quad-core conroes are coming out. But yeah, K8L should be great...or too little too late, we'll have to see.

 

[FLY3R]

Calm down mr. stock owner. All I know is this: my pc and future pc's will only have the best of the best. So if Intel can get ahead of AMD, good for them and good for me I currently own an AMD chip and I love it, but I am all about performance, not brand. Games are the reason why I go for AMD. BF2 is a resource hog and CPU hog, so that + eye candy = AMD64. I rest my case on this subject, next please!

Oh i totaly agree, i go where the performance goes to, i was getting mad at the fact that you are both spating your own prefrences about each making them sound like facts at the same time. And don't counter argue that becuase you will just contradict your self.

 

[Frogger]

. Remeber Intel is a hugh corperation with much to spend in research and development, I would be suprised to see how many of you actually read there Anule reports. I have been following them for a while and a stock owner, so befor you make coments about things that you don't know or understand just do some reading and resarch.

....taken from canadian business mag [june 5-18/2006]"AMD market share 17% INTel market share 80%.... cash from operations AMD. $US 1.5 billion.... INTEL. $US 14.8 billion..
last year, intel boasted gross margins of 59.4% and profit margins of 22.3%.....AMd figures were 40.9% and 2.8% " the math speaks for itself

 

[saumesh]

This type of memory controller built into cpu is good ,but how much MB it can have within cpu & can it replace the use of RAM?

 

[saumesh]

I have read this from a magzine that IBM is about to build/launch a nine core processor which have a main processor & other 8 processor for supporting the processing of main processor. I will ,no doubt , increase the processing speed but about its price.

 

[overcast]

This type of memory controller built into cpu is good ,but how much MB it can have within cpu & can it replace the use of RAM?

If you think they are going to develop 2GB of on die RAM at any point in the near future, you've lost it.

 

[overcast]

....taken from canadian business mag [june 5-18/2006]"AMD market share 17% INTel market share 80%.... cash from operations AMD. $US 1.5 billion.... INTEL. $US 14.8 billion..
last year, intel boasted gross margins of 59.4% and profit margins of 22.3%.....AMd figures were 40.9% and 2.8% " the math speaks for itself

and MOST of Intels revenue is in the private sector where they've monopolized every major OEM manufacturer. Up until recently, you didn't have much choice when buying server racks from OEMs.

When Dell and others finally switch at the end of the year, we'll see the percentages move.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Yeah, but I have yet to see any of that progress, or for that matter even seen any actual working prototypes. It is slated for release in what H2 of next year? A full year after conroe's initial release, and right around the time when the quad-core conroes are coming out. But yeah, K8L should be great...or too little too late, we'll have to see.

Then you obviously havent been looking. There have been several full presentations from AMD posted on just the technical improvements they have been doing..

And its slated for h2 this year, jan 07..

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

You all need to remeber that Intel used to be run by Engineers then it switched to Salles people and reps, and now it is back to being run by Engineers. Since then talk about Conroe and chips after came into the picture. AMD has been run by Engineers ever since the bigging and that is why they pulled ahead of Intel, but now that Intel is back on there feet in the right shoes things will change. Remeber Intel is a hugh corperation with much to spend in research and development, I would be suprised to see how many of you actually read there Anule reports. I have been following them for a while and a stock owner, so befor you make coments about things that you don't know or understand just do some reading and resarch.

Lesson # 1- Dont listen to PR people.

Their sole job is to keep stock owners happy by filling their minds with cr@p and covering up the bad.

Most definatly not a good arguing point to be using

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

I have read this from a magzine that IBM is about to build/launch a nine core processor which have a main processor & other 8 processor for supporting the processing of main processor. I will ,no doubt , increase the processing speed but about its price.

lol 8 is nuthin

IBM has put like 64 power CPU's on a single "package".