Phenom 9850BE low voltage overclocking results!

[fullinfusion]

Damn Full......you're scaring me now! I was just thinking that I never did take my 4850 apart and replaced the stock paste with some Ceramique like I usually do. It proves to work very nicely and offered some sick overclocks on my 3870's I owned so for sure it would work beautifull on the even toastier 4850 card.........but now you've got me scared!

I need to breat 15k already on a single car setup without clocking my processor to the moon. Okay so I don't NEED to do it, but it'd be pretty cool to see if I can get my cpu score up to 5500 and maybe come close to 16k on a single card that's not a supreme benchmark score maker. The card makes some damn good scores but we all know that the 4870, 3870x2, and 4870x2 offer sickly high inflated scores. I wonder how high I can actually get a single 4850 to go.

I've still yet to overclock this card really which is pretty amazing since I've had it for a long time now. Then again it's a beast and runs everything like it's nothing.

Kei <----is gonna do it anyway

LOL the full master has done some rubbing off on the Kei master lol!!!!!
And your truly rite mate..... your gpu smokes for the price of it and up against my 3870x2 monster that still rocks ........and if you do hit 16k you'll have me shittin in my pants and be makin me stumble around to even better my score into the 17k'z Kei!!!!!!

 

[AphexDreamer]

Hey guys the I just ran a 3DMark06 bench (Since Vantage won't recognize my HDTV...) and I scored 12K. Why the fudge is my score so low???

Last time I ran 3Dmark I ran to a similar issue but the lowest score I had then was 14K and the CPU was at an even lower clock rate than now. WTF is up man?

 

[suraswami]

well ya i would use the Biostar over the Ncrapia mobo lol....
and where you getting the 320watts from mate?

I have the Kill-A-Watt plug in tool. It shows me what kind of watts I use.

suraswami what are you setting those shitty tracers at?..... no offense but im running them also and never should have sold my D9 corsair sticks..

lol, Tracers! where did I mention, I just said Crucial If I had Tracers I would have OCed it so high it will pull its own fuse and die

I just have Crucial basic ram. 2 sets of 2GB (total 8GB), 1 set is only DDR2 667 and the other is DDR2 800.

For some reason My B2 phenom OCed the same Ram sticks higher upto DDR2 984. This B3 is strange. Don't know whats going on.

My biostar has the basic Kingston low profile ram. That thing is @ DDR2 1000 and works flawlessly. Probably need more voltage on it too to go higher. Right now I think its @ 2.1v.

 

[fullinfusion]

Hey guys the I just ran a 3DMark06 bench (Since Vantage won't recognize my HDTV...) and I scored 12K. Why the fudge is my score so low???

Last time I ran 3Dmark I ran to a similar issue but the lowest score I had than was 14K and the CPU was at an even lower clock rate than. WTF is up man?

make sure you disable virus and any thing that mite be running in the back ground..... sence im running Vista i disable..... side bar.... anti vir.... ati.... windows defender..... and after all is said and done when the red microsoft shield pop's up i right click on it and even disable it.....

 

[fullinfusion]

I have the Kill-A-Watt plug in tool. It shows me what kind of watts I use.



lol, Tracers! where did I mention, I just said Crucial If I had Tracers I would have OCed it so high it will pull its own fuse and die

I just have Crucial basic ram. 2 sets of 2GB (total 8GB), 1 set is only DDR2 667 and the other is DDR2 800.

For some reason My B2 phenom OCed the same Ram sticks higher upto DDR2 984. This B3 is strange. Don't know whats going on.

My biostar has the basic Kingston low profile ram. That thing is @ DDR2 1000 and works flawlessly. Probably need more voltage on it too to go higher. Right now I think its @ 2.1v.

can you not run all four sticks at 800MHz mode mate?

 

[suraswami]

can you not run all four sticks at 800MHz mode mate?

tried that too. Just increased the multi still the same. something to do with the mobo.

 

[fullinfusion]

tried that too. Just increased the multi still the same. something to do with the mobo.

How about setting the ram all on auto and seeing what it can do?..... can you take a pic of your bios setting?..... im sure if you can post it i can get you to 3.1 easy!

I believe you and i have the same batched cpu'z mate.....

 

[AphexDreamer]

make sure you disable virus and any thing that mite be running in the back ground..... sence im running Vista i disable..... side bar.... anti vir.... ati.... windows defender..... and after all is said and done when the red microsoft shield pop's up i right click on it and even disable it.....

Thanks but trust me everything is closed. Only thing running is CCC and all of its extra AA AF stuff are set to default. I really don't understand... Its perplexing to say the least. Should I really be scoring that low?

 

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

Okay so I'm finally getting around to finding the individual max settings @ stock voltage of 1.3.

CPU Multi is 14.5x (2.9Ghz) Chip doesn't like it higher , 15x I get BSOD. So I set the multi to stock (12.5x) and now I'm checking Max FSB and it seems Chippy likes the FSB more because I'm at 243 FSB (past 3.0Ghz) and she still boots into W7 and I'm not done yet!!

**With my luck she'll BSOD at 244 FSB

 

[fullinfusion]

Thanks but trust me everything is closed. Only thing running is CCC and all of its extra AA AF stuff are set to default. I really don't understand... Its perplexing to say the least. Should I really be scoring that low?

sence we both own the same gpu Aphex let me run 2 runs in 3dmark06 tomorrow at your cpu clocks and ill post you the results.....

 

[Kei]

Ack! That was the hardest thermal replacement I've ever done...I blame this on the curse of Full!

Everything went just fine until the last 4 screws that attatch the hold down clamp (that 4 ended claw thing on the back of our cards) and the last screw for some reason stripped immediately? I didn't even get to put a turn in it, I've never had a screw do that before...they at least get a turn on them. This one was just amazingly soft and I $hit you not stripped before I even turned it. Very freaky thus I say it is the "Fullinfusion Curse" haha.

Anyway I was able to get everything else off just fine and somehow rotate the cooler just enough that I could get about 3/4 or more of the chip clear and I could make my cleaning stuff reach the rest. Instead of applying the thermal paste directly to the chip though I had to clean off the heatsink contact area and apply the paste directly to that instead. The sweet thing about that though is that on this card (unlike the 3870's I owned) the area that covers the chip is actually indented! It's in the perfect size and shape of the chip so I could apply the paste (Ceramique as usual for me) very nicely and carefully rotate the cooler back on top of the chip and attatch it like normal.

I'm glad they indented the shape of the chip like that because it made it much easier. It would've been nice if I could've taken that last screw out but hey at least it got done. So far everything is great as usual. Temps before the Ceramique is fully cured are already about 4-5C cooler at idle than what the stock paste was doing. Right now it's sittin gat 43-44C (Memory and Shaders at 48C) whereas before everything sat at 48C at idle still with the same 35% fan speed and it's only been a very short time since I powered down and applied the Ceramique.

I'll put it under a light load in a bit to see how she reacts, but of course I want to give the Ceramique time to work it's magic and get cured nicely. Now I really wish I had something to get the memory and shaders running cooler but I don't have any pads to replace the stock stuff with and of course that would be impractical to use Ceramique on because it would be too thick.

I"ll keep you guys updated.

Kei <----- really thinks he has a shot at 16k with everything clocked up hopefully

 

[Chicken Patty]

LMAO i believe you Aphex!!!!!!

i remember when aphex dreamer posted about that, he was as scared as he can be I don't blame him

 

[AphexDreamer]

sence we both own the same gpu Aphex let me run 2 runs in 3dmark06 tomorrow at your cpu clocks and ill post you the results.....

Ok that sounds good then. Meanwhile I'm trying to figure the cause...

 

[Kei]

Latest 3DMark06 results

I mentioned yesterday that I was going to be running the test again to see if I could break the 16k mark with a single gpu and everything clocked up.

I haven't run everything at it's max clocks yet but I did run another test at the same speed that I ran the previous test at, but this time clocked the gpu up to what CCC will allow me to do and took just a tick out of that.

The score is significantly higher with the card clocked up which is nice, but I think the card could go higher still I just need a program that will work with Windows7 that will allow me to overclock the card. As you all know CCC has limits on how high you can go without doing a bios flash which I don't want to do again at least not right now. I'm sure I'll get a very nice boost in score if I turn the rest of the system up to/near it's max, but I'd really like to get the card near it's max so I know what it actually is.

Anyway, results from before and after below. Sweet score, but we all know there is quite a bit more left in it.

Kei

 

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

Question:

When raising only the FSB with CPU Multi at 8x, When it starts to get unstable what voltages should I raise? I've no BSOD's; just software acting funny.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Question:

When raising only the FSB with CPU Multi at 8x, When it starts to get unstable what voltages should I raise? I've no BSOD's; just software acting funny.

That sounds related to RAM. When RAM timings get to low or mhz to high, software and applications wills start acting funny. Indicating you RAM isn't storing the data into itself correctly.

 

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

That sounds related to RAM. When RAM timings get to low or mhz to high, software and applications wills start acting funny. Indicating you RAM isn't storing the data into itself correctly.

Awesome! Thanks Aphex...lol...you caught me. While I was looking for my max fsb I was tinkering with the dividers on my ram in order to familiarize myself with them. **Hangs head**

Here's where I'm at. I didn't touch the timings (I left them on auto) Should I raise them manually now? My ram should be able to reach 1066Mhz at 5-5-5-15-2T (I was experimenting )

 

[AphexDreamer]

Awesome! Thanks Aphex...lol...you caught me. While I was looking for my max fsb I was tinkering with the dividers on my ram in order to familiarize myself with them. **Hangs head**

Here's where I'm at. I didn't touch the timings (I left them on auto) Should I raise them manually now? My ram should be able to reach 1066Mhz at 5-5-5-15-2T (I was experimenting )

1000mhz range 5-5-5 sounds fine, that shouldn't give you any problems. I think if you tried to you should be able to set it to 4-4-4 @ 1066Mhz. I was able to with my Tracers at 2.4volts.

 

[suraswami]

How about setting the ram all on auto and seeing what it can do?..... can you take a pic of your bios setting?..... im sure if you can post it i can get you to 3.1 easy!

I believe you and i have the same batched cpu'z mate.....

I reset the bios using the jumper and changed only the HDD and other basic settings. Left the HT on auto, mem on auto, voltages no auto since it defaults to ram specific value, but i didn't change it. Left the cpu volts at default. Max I got was 200 * 14.5. @ 1.375v. Thats it. Nothing more than that. I even increased to 1.45v for 3Ghz - nope. So I guess the mobo is a real 'Gadha' (alias donkey).

I have to try on the biostar. I guess I am going to leave it there or probably sell it and get Phenom II or AM3 X4s.

 

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

1000mhz range 5-5-5 sounds fine, that shouldn't give you any problems. I think if you tried to you should be able to set it to 4-4-4 @ 1066Mhz. I was able to with my Tracers at 2.4volts.

Okay. So even when I had the 1000Mhz @ 250fsb and Multi @ 12.5x My programs were still acting a bit drunk. So, I went into the BIOS and manually set my RAM timings and upped the DDRv to 2.2v and dropped the fsb to 248 and finally SuperPi completes without error on 32M calc and my temps are okay. I'm sure I could get a bit more speed but above 1.4v core my temps go above 55c. I'd like to get my mem from 992Mhx to the 1066Mhz their rated at while keeping this clock!

 

[servermonkey]

I thought id give you all inside of my interesting day i had yesterday.
since it was time to remove the rad off my rig and clean it I decided that i may as well remove the gpu and clean it also. Thinking? while i have it apart, i may as well change the factory thermal paste with some nice Arctic silver paste.... well all went well till i tryed to boot..
The one light on the gpu went solid red seconds after the post of the mobo logo screen... I'm thinking WTF!!!

After a well detailed look at the card i noticed the one heat sink wasn't making contact with the chip. What i found will shock you all, I found a tiny transistor mixed in with the thermal paste. That was the little bugger keeping the heat sink from mating proper..
Good god im thinking after looking at the chip on the gpu, I'm lucky it didn't crack the chip and another thing..... where did this transistor come from? well after installing the card and crossing my fingers while pressing the power to boot..... She booted and after test after test i don't see a single thing wrong with it. Temps are 7c cooler and being one day after, she's still working like a champ!
What a mystery where that bugger came from...

i unno if this would work or not, but run gpuz or some other program that tells the transistor count on your card and see if it matches spec.....

 

[servermonkey]

Okay so I'm finally getting around to finding the individual max settings @ stock voltage of 1.3.

CPU Multi is 14.5x (2.9Ghz) Chip doesn't like it higher , 15x I get BSOD. So I set the multi to stock (12.5x) and now I'm checking Max FSB and it seems Chippy likes the FSB more because I'm at 243 FSB (past 3.0Ghz) and she still boots into W7 and I'm not done yet!!

**With my luck she'll BSOD at 244 FSB

what is your nb multi and cpu-nb volts set at?

 

[ChaoticAtmosphere]

what is your nb multi and cpu-nb volts set at?

nb multi is 10x and I think I have my cpu-nb voltage set at the same as the cpuv

 

[ASharp]

Don't know how many have noticed already but I'm sure this concerns a lot of you (myself included). I was checking the ASUS forums and the 0703 BIOS for the M3A79-T Deluxe is on the FTP.
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socketAM2/M3A79-T_Deluxe/0703.zip

Was hoping this would come out eventually...here's some release notes:
01. Support ACC with AM2+ 45nm CPU.
02. Improve the system performance when use certain CPU.
03. Fixed System may show Boot fail message if ACC enabled.
04. Fix the problem that AM2 CPU Vcore voltage may be incorrect if change CPU voltage in AI Suite.
05. Fix the problem that AI_NAP may not work after resuming from S1 or S3.
06. Set the value of "Processor Frequency Multiplier" option in bios up to 35 for certain CPU.
07. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx
(ACC is a overclock technique which can adjust the voltage and frequency for AMD CPU directly under OS)

Have fun.

 

[servermonkey]

Don't know how many have noticed already but I'm sure this concerns a lot of you (myself included). I was checking the ASUS forums and the 0703 BIOS for the M3A79-T Deluxe is on the FTP.
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socketAM2/M3A79-T_Deluxe/0703.zip

Was hoping this would come out eventually...here's some release notes:
01. Support ACC with AM2+ 45nm CPU.
02. Improve the system performance when use certain CPU.
03. Fixed System may show Boot fail message if ACC enabled.
04. Fix the problem that AM2 CPU Vcore voltage may be incorrect if change CPU voltage in AI Suite.
05. Fix the problem that AI_NAP may not work after resuming from S1 or S3.
06. Set the value of "Processor Frequency Multiplier" option in bios up to 35 for certain CPU.
07. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx
(ACC is a overclock technique which can adjust the voltage and frequency for AMD CPU directly under OS)

Have fun.

i went to the link that #7 referred to and got this when i did a look up by cpu and mobo....

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