5770 a significant upgrade over 4870?

[shevanel]

Not sure what the culprit is but whenever i'm playing dirt2 i notice alot of stutter and a laggy feeling even though the fps counter never drops below 40.

 

[pvhk]

something running in background for sure!!!!

No stuttering here @1680x1050 msaa 8x everything maxed out (ultra) with one single card:
sapphire V1 w/ asus bios:

 

[shevanel]

in my sig is the link to a thread for furmarking 5000 series ATI cards. 5850 xfire is up and it's insane.

 

[trt740]

here is a decent review however the prices are wrong now for the cards listed. http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=3040 and here is another http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2983/his_radeon_hd_5770_1gb_video_card_in_crossfire/index15.html

 

[yogurt_21]

some how I'm getting nostalgia over the same exact debate with the 9800 pro/xt vs x700 pro.

same specs save for higher clocks and 128-bit mem on the x700 and I went from the 9800XT256mb to the x700pro 256mb without regrets.

I got increased performancs with lower heat and power requirements, granted I'm an overclocker and had overclocked both the x700 simply had a higher ceiling.

as always going between the 4870 and 5770 is a matter of preference.

If you're looking for increased stock performance you'd probabally be better going for a bigger card as Wiz's review puts the 4870 and 5770 neck and neck. but if you're looking for somehting new because you're bored with the 4870 and don't have the cash for a 5850 then you might as well go for the new tech, benches show you won't lose anything and you could sell your 4870 to recoup most of the cost.

this is where I found myself with the 9800/x700 debate and I liked my choice, upgrade cost me 40$ after the sale of my old 9800 and I had a lot of fun tweaking the new card.

in either case yo're probabally better waiting till after christmas as prices should be lower. but knowing performance is identical and you'd be gaining new features, a cooler card that pulls less power, and something that will only cost you a little after the sale of your current card you can make a choice.

Edit: thought I should add, the nvidia 6600gt was faster than both at a similar cost to the x700 which would have been a regeret were I not a complete ati fanboy at the time. So if you cna wait till after christmas, see if any updates on nvidias new offerings come out.

 

[trt740]

some how I'm getting nostalgia over the same exact debate with the 9800 pro/xt vs x700 pro.

same specs save for higher clocks and 128-bit mem on the x700 and I went from the 9800XT256mb to the x700pro 256mb without regrets.

I got increased performancs with lower heat and power requirements, granted I'm an overclocker and had overclocked both the x700 simply had a higher ceiling.

as always going between the 4870 and 5770 is a matter of preference.

If you're looking for increased stock performance you'd probabally be better going for a bigger card as Wiz's review puts the 4870 and 5770 neck and neck. but if you're looking for somehting new because you're bored with the 4870 and don't have the cash for a 5850 then you might as well go for the new tech, benches show you won't lose anything and you could sell your 4870 to recoup most of the cost.

this is where I found myself with the 9800/x700 debate and I liked my choice, upgrade cost me 40$ after the sale of my old 9800 and I had a lot of fun tweaking the new card.

in either case yo're probabally better waiting till after christmas as prices should be lower. but knowing performance is identical and you'd be gaining new features, a cooler card that pulls less power, and something that will only cost you a little after the sale of your current card you can make a choice.

Edit: thought I should add, the nvidia 6600gt was faster than both at a similar cost to the x700 which would have been a regeret were I not a complete ati fanboy at the time. So if you cna wait till after christmas, see if any updates on nvidias new offerings come out.

Your argument doesn't hold water the 5770 when oced runs cooler and faster than a 4870 and in crossfire it scales to unheard of levels for a video card. If you have a 4870 1gb it's not a worth while upgrade, however, when dx 11 comes out it will be and if your buying for the first time the 5770 is a better deal than even a 4890. In several reviews the 128 bus doesn't cause a bottle neck at all because the ram is so fast on the card so even thats not a issue.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Take a look at this conclusion page of a HD5770 and Crossfire review, it highlights it's strengths and weaknesses pretty well when compared to the 4870 and 4890 and before anyone says again about the 5770's excellent overclocking,............ both my 4890 toxics will run at 1030mhz without voltage adjustment.

http://www.elitebastards.com/index....ticle&id=907&catid=13&Itemid=27&limitstart=10

 

[pvhk]

even though 4890 ocing potential is excellent and performs better than a hd5770,
i prefer by far my 5770s to my 4890@1000/1200... Not the same power consumption..
And by far better ocing potential for hd5770: up to 1100 quite sufficient for 1680x1050!!
sapphire V1 stock cooling...lots of sport indeed

sapphire hd4890@1000/1200:

 

[trt740]

Take a look at this conclusion page of a HD5770 and Crossfire review, it highlights it's strengths and weaknesses pretty well when compared to the 4870 and 4890 and before anyone says again about the 5770's excellent overclocking,............ both my 4890 toxics will run at 1030mhz without voltage adjustment.

http://www.elitebastards.com/index....ticle&id=907&catid=13&Itemid=27&limitstart=10

and your toxics cost 250.00 each not 169.00 and for the price you payed for two you could buy a 5870 even with jacket up prices. Still those toxics are very powerful.

 

[Tatty_Two]

and your toxics cost 250.00 each not 169.00 and for the price you payed for two you could buy a 5870 even with jacket up prices. Still those toxics are very powerful.

Today, in the UK, the 4890 is no more expensive than the 5770 if you know where to shop and thats what matters, yes I did pay more when I bought the first one, the 2nd card though was kind of free, well not entirely, I had an old Socket 939 Athlon Barton core 3000+ which I swapped for a Toxic with a friend.

I have gotten 1070mhz out of the first card with voltage increases, i have not tried that with the 2nd card yet, I use them at 1000mhz 24/7 but they will bench higher of course, the good thing with them, despite the obvious heat advantages of the 5770 is that even with voltage adjustments and running at 1070mhz these excellent coolers are only running at 60% to keep the GPU below 80 degrees.

As for the fact that a pair of 4890's in crossfire at their time of release would have cost more than a HD5870, yes of course you are right, but you are comparing the past with the present, additionally if you want to compare now the 2 setups, take a look here, this is using an overclocked HD5870, interestingly AMD are saying that driver optimisation isnt the issue but the fact that the card is optimised for DX11 and less so for DX9 or 10

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/powercolor-5870-lcs,2481-14.html

Tom....... did you get my Santa e mail?

lastly, Will a 5770 work with a 5850 in Crossfire? I think that would be a sweet setup.

 

[yogurt_21]

Your argument doesn't hold water the 5770 when oced runs cooler and faster than a 4870 and in crossfire it scales to unheard of levels for a video card. If you have a 4870 1gb it's not a worth while upgrade, however, when dx 11 comes out it will be and if your buying for the first time the 5770 is a better deal than even a 4890. In several reviews the 128 bus doesn't cause a bottle neck at all because the ram is so fast on the card so even thats not a issue.

your post is rather confusing. tell me where I argued against getting the 5770?

skimming and posting makes babies sad

 

[pvhk]

another 5770 xfire test:
http://techgage.com/article/ati_radeon_hd_5770_crossfirex_performance/12

 

[trt740]

some how I'm getting nostalgia over the same exact debate with the 9800 pro/xt vs x700 pro.

same specs save for higher clocks and 128-bit mem on the x700 and I went from the 9800XT256mb to the x700pro 256mb without regrets.

I got increased performancs with lower heat and power requirements, granted I'm an overclocker and had overclocked both the x700 simply had a higher ceiling.

as always going between the 4870 and 5770 is a matter of preference.

If you're looking for increased stock performance you'd probabally be better going for a bigger card as Wiz's review puts the 4870 and 5770 neck and neck. but if you're looking for somehting new because you're bored with the 4870 and don't have the cash for a 5850 then you might as well go for the new tech, benches show you won't lose anything and you could sell your 4870 to recoup most of the cost.

this is where I found myself with the 9800/x700 debate and I liked my choice, upgrade cost me 40$ after the sale of my old 9800 and I had a lot of fun tweaking the new card.

in either case yo're probabally better waiting till after christmas as prices should be lower. but knowing performance is identical and you'd be gaining new features, a cooler card that pulls less power, and something that will only cost you a little after the sale of your current card you can make a choice.

Edit: thought I should add, the nvidia 6600gt was faster than both at a similar cost to the x700 which would have been a regeret were I not a complete ati fanboy at the time. So if you cna wait till after christmas, see if any updates on nvidias new offerings come out.

your post is rather confusing. tell me where I argued against getting the 5770?

skimming and posting makes babies sad

I read your whole post and it appears to me your stating that the 5770 is more about preference than performance and that seems to me that you are argueing that it not a good upgrade. The whole statement is littered with the insinuation that it's not a good upgrade. Also if my posts is confusing then yours makes my head spin . I'm saying dx11, great xfire scaling, super overclocking, less heat and lower power requirements all add up to better overall performance per dollar and also leads to better future proofing..

 

[trt740]

Today, in the UK, the 4890 is no more expensive than the 5770 if you know where to shop and thats what matters, yes I did pay more when I bought the first one, the 2nd card though was kind of free, well not entirely, I had an old Socket 939 Athlon Barton core 3000+ which I swapped for a Toxic with a friend.

I have gotten 1070mhz out of the first card with voltage increases, i have not tried that with the 2nd card yet, I use them at 1000mhz 24/7 but they will bench higher of course, the good thing with them, despite the obvious heat advantages of the 5770 is that even with voltage adjustments and running at 1070mhz these excellent coolers are only running at 60% to keep the GPU below 80 degrees.

As for the fact that a pair of 4890's in crossfire at their time of release would have cost more than a HD5870, yes of course you are right, but you are comparing the past with the present, additionally if you want to compare now the 2 setups, take a look here, this is using an overclocked HD5870, interestingly AMD are saying that driver optimisation isnt the issue but the fact that the card is optimised for DX11 and less so for DX9 or 10

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/powercolor-5870-lcs,2481-14.html

Tom....... did you get my Santa e mail?

lastly, Will a 5770 work with a 5850 in Crossfire? I think that would be a sweet setup.

show me a toxic 4980 thats costs 169.00 or less shipped new (free is for me) and 80c+ is fine for these gpus. Didn't check my email yet but will get back to ya and it sounds like fun.


Update on email Tatty thats got to be one of the coolest video I have ever received thanks brother Merry Christmas. Loved the monkeys ass

http://portablenorthpole.tv/watch/e4d1a1cbe708144e96fb66040c7999b2

 

[Tatty_Two]

show me a toxic 4980 thats costs 169.00 or less shipped new (free is for me) and 80c+ is fine for these gpus. Didn't check my email yet but will get back to ya and it sounds like fun.


Update on email Tatty thats got to be one of the coolest video I have ever received thanks brother Merry Christmas. Loved the monkeys ass

http://portablenorthpole.tv/watch/e4d1a1cbe708144e96fb66040c7999b2

Lol, glad you liked it, as for pricing, as I said in my earlier post, I was specifically talking about the UK and HD4890's in general, not specifically the Toxics, so here you go, there is an "Overclocked" HD4890 from pixmania UK at £117 although I think that one might be used or open box so I'll just show you this one which is new at £119.......

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/2627053/art/sapphire-technology/radeon-hd4890-1-gb-gddr5.html

here is a whole page of HD5770's from the same supplier, these prices range from £112 to a massive £160, you will see that the vast majority are more expensive than the HD4890....

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/r/hd5770

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Hope you dont mind if i ask one Q here.

5770 or gtx260 (216SP) ?
They about same price so i cant decide....
260 seems to be BIT faster, but it dont have dx11...

 

[shevanel]

does your mobo have xfire support?

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

does your mobo have xfire support?

no im planning for single card

 

[shevanel]

since you don't have xfire support and are loooking for a single card (i dont know what games you plan to play) I'd save up a few more dollars and get something like a 5850.

If you plan to buy a single card and DX11 + new tech isnt important then I'd say a 4890 or gtx 275

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

5850 is too expensive for me
ill go for 275 then, thanks and sorry for OT

 

[TheMailMan78]

5850 is too expensive for me
ill go for 275 then, thanks and sorry for OT

Waste of money man. Really.

 

[Tatty_Two]

If you are upgrading from a lesser card then I would definatly recommend the HD5770 over the HD4890/GTX260 or 275, I have owned all of those and they are all decent cards however there is not a great deal of performance difference versus the 5770 and of course you do get the benefits of DX11 as well as the heat and energy pluses, I didnt recommend personally going for the 5770 with the OP of this thread simply because he has a decent card already.

 

[Lazzer408]

I'd keep the 4870. In fact I -did- keep my 4870. It's in my rig now. I wouldnt give it up until a 5870 is $200.

A 4870>5770. If anything is unclear just look at the prices. You always get what you pay for in any competitive market.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

5850 is quite expensive here in my country, its approx ~380 usd.
gtx275 is 100usd cheaper.

 

[yogurt_21]

I read your whole post and it appears to me your stating that the 5770 is more about preference than performance and that seems to me that you are argueing that it not a good upgrade. The whole statement is littered with the insinuation that it's not a good upgrade. Also if my posts is confusing then yours makes my head spin . I'm saying dx11, great xfire scaling, super overclocking, less heat and lower power requirements all add up to better overall performance per dollar and also leads to better future proofing..

post lists I chose a newer feature card while having an older one of similar performance also states the fact that the 4870 and 5770 are neck and neck in wiz's reviews which they are and that the stock performance won't change based on those reviews which is again a fact. I highlight that in the 9800pro x700 debate I ended up with higher performance with lower temps and power requirements plus new features ie an argument for the 5770 and that I was able to sell the older card and upgrade for 40$ another argument for the 5770.

I think your reading lacks merit, you're interpreting based on what other posters have said. I'm not them.